The Decline And Fall Of The American Empire

How long will it be before there is no food on the shelves and people line up for hours for a loaf of bread? We have seen this before when the gov. tried to feed the people.

There are several generations who are unaware that 7 million people died of hunger in the last depression. Food production in hyper-inflated economic stagnation dwindles to a percentile of capacity as people cannot pay to feed themselves.

OTOH - we see Federal and State jackbooters jailing people for producing their own food and selling to neighbors at cost. The Fed crusade against self sufficiency rolls on.

The decline continues.

Once you addict a Nation to a wholesale dole. It never goes back. Never tries to recover. Never gives it up. Mean while the productive class becomes ever smaller.

I think it should be "managed decline" Ken.

This is nothing more than a scam. A lot of people sell their food stamps at a discount to buy drugs and booze.
There needs to be a stricter means test to determine eligibility.

A while back, I think it was onn Hannity, the talk was they have setup some kind of a quota system to make sure more and more people were given food stamps every month.
The more people depend on the Govt in power the more vortes the get.

Get ready for hyperinflation once the effects of the two stimulus packages kick in.

Explains everything at a glance:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html

The CBO are a bunch of white honkey cracker racists for putting out such statistics!!! Send in the Axelrod army of white cracker honkey campaign operatives to sort it out.

The Americans are getting what they voted for. And getting it good and hard. Soon they'll be eating their dogs. Not that there's anything wrong with that, snicker snicker.

The Food Stamp Program has had an active and very aggressive -enrollment campaign- these last few years.

Incidentally the link currently goes to:
http://www.perinatology.com/calculators/Hardy-Weinberg.htm

Don't know if that's what you had in mind or not Kate. :)

You are correct, Capt_Bob, the gubmint is actively encouraging more people to get on food stamps. I hear frequent radio adds touting the name-change of the program (its now called SNAP. Isn't that special?). The ads are saying that a lot of people are eligible and don't know it (perhaps because they don't need it?), and that they need to apply to find out.

Kind of like the million dollar lottery winner in Michigan that continued to collect food stamps. The state took umbrage, and she is on her way to jail (rightfully). People feel entitled to it because they are constantly told they are entitled.

How accurate is the growth of food stamp use when there are things like this going on?

Revnant Dream @ 10:58, exactly, and the history books are full of examples.

The US can never dig itself out of its debt burden.

They will do what every other failing overextended Empire has done in History, print money or go to war.

Regardless, the Empire is collapsing and good people need to brace themselves it's going to be brutal.

There is no mistake that Obamba is spending like a drunken sailor with borrowed money while simultaneously signing "Martial Law" Bills, ignoring Congress, and arming the local police forces across the nation with the latest greatest military and crowd control weaponry.

People feed their domestic livestock so that they can sell products produced by said livestock. People feed themselves. Food Stamps (welfare) reduces people to gument livestock.

The western empire today reminds me of the Roman empire under Diocletian. He doubled the size of his buraucracy, instituted a census and began a campain of brutal taxation.

He taxed the farmers so much many abandoned their farms, finding it a losing proposition. Within a hundred years after his rule the Roman Empire was a shadow of its former self.

Get enough people dependent on government handouts and tax the hell out of producers and the next step will be the producers will emmigrate and the dependants will be reduced to eating Solient Green!!!!

Heh, two train-wreck posts in a row.

Howard Hughes >

'...notice how all that post WW II prosperity which the right pines for coincides with the golden age of union power?'

mmmmm, nope - not at all.

I do remember post WWII and the Soviet Union very well though.

Socialist Europe following in their union footsteps hasn't fared all that well either lately, despite the post WWII rebuilding and financing by NA.

In fact that whole communist European Union BS is failing them rather rapidly and they're now begging (even demanding) us for our Capitalist bailout dollars.

Howard Hughes #2 >

I am with on the elites running things, but you can’t blame capitalism. It is the Progressive Elitist agenda based in the EU, governed by the UN, implemented through their well published Agenda 21 that is calling the shots.

This IS who Obamba takes orders from. This is why he circumvents Congress by fighting UN wars in Libya, while his Secretary of Defense Leon Penetta boldly tells congress that they take orders from the UN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovuWJQrwpIw

It's you who needs to pay a little attention and get your hate fangs out of right-wing policies.

Knight 99, exactly, in both posts.

The decline began in the 1970s with the "golden age of union power".

"are we to go back to a feudal time when a minuscule minority own *everything*? except this time is all over the world and noooooo going back." That would be the Soviet type system that western Europe is up to their necks in and Obama wants to take the US toward. When socialism has complete control those that are more equal than others control everything, even unions.

@ Ken (Kulak) at April 21, 2012 6:27 PM

Here we have University professors in Tehran of all places helping to shape the future. The best reason I have seen yet to eliminate tenure.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/american-professors-gather-tehran-occupy-wall-street-conference_640543.html

Get this: Recently, I have been hearing radio ads here in the US advertising the SNAP program encouraging people to take advantage of it...ads that were paid for by the Federal govt... Cloward-Piven in motion, nullification of Hanlon's Razor.

Howard Hughes,

Conservatives want the boom that began in the early 1980s, not that of the golden age of union power. Note the top DJIA chart:

http://raincityguide.com/2009/03/02/dow-dips-below-7000/The tech revolution was not fueled by union power.

Note the two turning points in the trend:

1. The early 1980s recession (caused single-handedly by Paul Volcker, who implemented the painful-but-necessary tight money policy prescribed in Milton Friedman's Free to Choose, to fix the hyperinflation problem)

2. The 1994 election, which ushered in a more business-friendly Congress.

Note also that the lowest ebb of the dot-com/9/11 recession was still 8 times higher than that of the pre-Reagan years.

Are there any prosperous private-sector union-heavy industries today?