Kelly McParland sheds light on a disturbing trend of B.C. South Asian (aka East Indian) families using a U.S. fertility clinic to determine the sex of their unborn babies and then often opting to abort if said babies are girls.
One might think that a hardcore feminist would object to such a practice? Perhaps if this were happening amongst White Christian families but the trump card of Multiculturalism has a magical effect of creating a deafening silence amongst Leftist vocal chords. One can only wonder why a taxpayer funded, peer-reviewed study hasn't been launched to investigate.
This story also made The Blaze today.
I would like to see fembots rationalize this. Of course, the left have become experts at twisting themselves in knots rationalizing...
Because this is a totally known phenomenon and nobody with a mind thinks abortion regulation is the key to fixing it - it comes from a patriarchal attitude instilled in these women.
They don't need to have their choices taken away, they need to be re-educated on their own self-worth.
it's not only the multiculturalism card that is holding fembots back. It's the "choice" aspect as well. Abortions for every woman, regardless of why.
Neither of those things are holding anyone back because this situation literally has nothing to do with any pro-choice argument.
Obviously nobody thinks this is right, but there are good solutions and bad solutions and removing an option and making decisions for someone else is never the good one.
In Vancouver 7 years ago when my wife was pregnant the ultrasound technicians would not tell you the sex of the baby. It was known by all that this was due to east indians desiring only male babies.
Being white, we got a wink and a nod and an indirect answer.
The east indians went to the US for private ultrasounds or there was a new clinic that had just opened up locally anyway.
This is not new and has been happening for many years.
Utgardloki, nothing to do with pro-choice?
If you are pro-choice then there should be no issue with aborting only because the baby is female.
Too, what race do you think is aborted of a statistically higher amount? Quick internet search turns up 40% black abortions from a 13% black population.
The logical extension of this is that they will eventually run out of child bearing women. Then what?
Mike in White Rock
Yeah like it's a feature not a bug........
"If you are pro-choice then there should be no issue with aborting only because the baby is female."
Incorrect. There should be no *legal* issue with aborting only because the baby is female. That said, these women are suffering from a holdover of patriarchal oppression centuries in the making, so there are other, more relevant issues at play here.
And yeah, China is actually having a female shortage because of their inheritance and succession laws vs. their one-child policy, but lots of people there said it would go that way at the time.
In engineering we used to refer to that as a self-correcting problem.
See, Utgardaloki, restricting abortion will stop the problem *right* *now*. "Increasing these women's sense of self-worth" has been failing for decades, precisely because as other SDAers have pointed out, that conflicts with and is subordinate to the multiculturalism uber alles meme.
"restricting abortion will stop the problem *right* *now*. "Increasing these women's sense of self-worth" has been failing for decades"
Restricting abortion also inherently removes the choice from people NOT from those cultures, creating a new problem of having our increasingly large government having a great say in our lives, something most people like to avoid.
And no, presenting new ideas and cultures to foreign women does not contradict any multiculturalism goal - cultures are just a collection of ideas and profit from being challenged.
You want to solve the problem right now? Don't let American interests advertise in Canadian papers.
Utgardaloki >
“There should be no *legal* issue with aborting only because the baby is female”
There should be no *legal* issue banning Asians from Immigrating to Canada because they are Asian.
“cultures are just a collection of ideas and profit from being challenged.” - Utgardaloki
Only the culturally challenged need to learn from importing misunderstood archaic cultures to feel rewarded. Get on a plane and leave the rest of us alone.
“You want to solve the problem right now? Don't let American interests advertise in Canadian papers.” - Utgardaloki
To paraphrase - {Because Asians are stupid and won’t source female abortions out if they don’t read about them in the Globe & Mail}
So, you whites out there who have daughters, make sure that they are aware that when they start looking for a mate that this is what Asains think of them. Asian men will inevitably start looking for mates outside there own community, since they killed off all the potential mates from within it. You daughters asian mother in law will pressure her to kill her future daughter.
This is the modern woman today, firm in her beliefs...until they don't make sense anymore. Then it's time to wait for the feminist mouthpieces to advise them on what to think in certain scenarios.
Women used to be incensed at the thought of their men doing their thinking for them, but they have dutifully handed over their brains to the NOW central office. How to think on any given matter is just one email away for the fembots now. Gag!
I can't wait until they find a genetic fingerprint for homosexuality. It will get added to the list of conditions tested for in utero. Then there is going to be some cerebral meltdowns because they'll have to pick "pro-choice" or "pro-gay".
Can't wait for that one....
'There should be no *legal* issue banning Asians from Immigrating to Canada because they are Asian.'
I suppose but unlike abortion regulation, which has no positive effects for anybody and encourages big gov't, banning asians from Canada is arbitrary and helps the average Canadian very little.
'Only the culturally challenged need to learn from importing misunderstood archaic cultures to feel rewarded. Get on a plane and leave the rest of us alone.'
I was talking about them learning from us, but it's telling to hear you talk down other cultures because yours is so much better for no real reason at all.
'To paraphrase - {Because Asians are stupid and won’t source female abortions out if they don’t read about them in the Globe & Mail}'
They're not sourcing abortions out, they're sourcing out ultrasounds, and amazingly enough yes, once you stop letting something advertise it gets less business, but go ahead, throw race in there too, I guess someone had to.
I just don't want to pay for this crap, as a taxpayer. Pay for your own abortion.
The progressives gals know the men folk will travel to the ole country for a complaint submissive wife when the time comes to marry. Gendercide ensures the women in that community remain complaint and submissive. Gender selected abortions should be criminal, it sickens me to see how we look away at inferior culture norms lest we offend.
Legit. Dental and Optical needs are basically essential to survive, but they're not under UHC, but abortions are, somehow?
This is a simple issue.
1. Southeast Asian, protected class
2. Abortion, the blessed sacrement of the Feminists
vs.
1. Decreasing the number of women.
2 to 1, majority rules, it's good!
The way I see it, is if a fetus is not a baby, and thus abortions are okay; then it matters not what the motive is behind the abortion. It's okay, or not. Period! JMO
"Too, what race do you think is aborted of a statistically higher amount? Quick internet search turns up 40% black abortions from a 13% black population"
OT/ and down the road, we, western society, will be accused of the 'genocide' of a generation of blacks, as it's clear what the consequences of state paid abortions is/will be. THIS is why it's imperative that we do not pay for abortion services in Africa. We must not give the grievance mongers ammo down the road. Mark my words, this is what will happen.
Abortion still just a pretty word for MURDER!!!!!
Utgardaloki,
Canadian company, private ultrasounds. Ban them too?
http://www.uc-baby.com/en/locations/index.php
...unlike abortion regulation, which has no positive effects for anybody
Except for the dead baby.
Utgardaloki >
"..but it's telling to hear you talk down other cultures because yours is so much better for no real reason at all."
If you don’t think that there is such a thing as superior and inferior cultures, you know nothing of culture at all. Indeed you need to get on a plane and check them out, no disrespect I’ve already done it, having lived and travelled within said cultures for decades.
“They're not sourcing abortions out, they're sourcing out ultrasounds...” Utgardaloki
Did you really say that?
“I suppose but unlike abortion regulation, which has no positive effects for anybody....” -Utgardaloki
And who is paying for abortions or any resulting complications in a Socialist Health Care Country?
"You daughters asian mother in law will pressure her to kill her future daughter."
Posted by: minuteman at April 18, 2012 11:48 AM
Not if she's Japanese. Or are they not "asian" anymore? I can't deal with the politically correct rhetoric and the cultural equivalence mob. Words still have meanings. Some things are better than others.
This is hardly a "trend". BCTV reported on this cultural practise way back in the early 90's when the first ultrasound clinic opened it's doors in Bellingham.
This was in the days before political correctness forbade any criticism of the East Indian culture.
The new East Indian immigrant community spokesmen were the first to wield PC as a weapon against anyone who dared say a word against some of their practices,including baby sex selection, arranged marriages,and murdering a recalcitrant child.
They were aided and abetted by politicians whoring for the East Indian vote block.
This story won't go anywhere. The EI voting block is the most politically powerful in this Country,and no one,Left,Right,Centre, feminist,Liberal,NDP,or Conservative would dare say a thing to offend that block.
BTW, I think I should add that I believe all abortions are bad; but, if the Progressives and the Pro-choice crowd are going to split hairs regarding what ‘is’ and ‘isn't’ human; then we MUST let them live with the consequences of their hypocrisy. The only thing that banning abortions based on sex does is bail-out the Progressives from the consequences of their choices. The same goes for abortions based on sexuality and handicap. These are harsh opinions, but it's a harsh topic. For example, IF handicapped folks wish not to see handicapped kids aborted, then they should do something about it at the ballot box.
"If you don’t think that there is such a thing as superior and inferior cultures, you know nothing of culture at all. Indeed you need to get on a plane and check them out, no disrespect I’ve already done it, having lived and travelled within said cultures for decades."
Yeah, sure guy, you travelled around the world and learned western values rule.
Doesn't matter though, because I didn't say inferior or superior didn't exist, I said you were basing your imperialist logic on nothing at all - what makes you better than anybody?
Which STILL doesn't matter, because what I said is challenging East Indian culture on matter os patriarchy might better them, not us.
Shame you were too busy travelling the world to learn to argue. Or read.
"And who is paying for abortions or any resulting complications in a Socialist Health Care Country?"
Abortion regulation and deciding what gets covered by UHC (by the way, not a socialist concept) aren't the same thing. You don't have to legislate abortion control do mitigate the effects it has on UHC.
Stupid, immoral “pro-choicers”: their logic- and compassion-challenged platform is now biting them in the butt.
I’m anti-abortion: it’s an abomination and its supporters believe that some human beings are “life unworthy of life” or, in other words, “Lebensunwertes Leben”. These empty-headed pragmatists believe it’s OK for a woman to have an abortion even if it’s just that having her baby will interfere with her holiday plans—or whatever.
The apparent concern for aborting female, unborn human beings is a laugh. “Pro-choice” is “pro-choice”: once one takes that as the justification for abortion, then abortion for any reason is A-OK. That’s the deal, you deluded, magical-thinking people.
utgardaloki - I think you make many ungrounded assertions - most of which have been critiqued by others here.
It's interesting that the feminists are utterly silent within this major moral dilemma.
Their basic axiom of equality of women to men has led them to their support for abortion, because their definition of equality extends to the physical body; they define male and female bodies as similar. This led to their defining the fetus as only an appendage of the woman's body rather than a human embryo.
Then, this basic axiom of equality continues on with their empirically and logically unrealistic claim of multiculturalism - that all cultures are equal. Even when the culture rejects the equality of men and women!!
So, they will support abortion, they will support whatever a culture decides is 'best practice' - and this ends up with a dilemma when the culture decides that men and women are NOT equal and that selective gender abortion is an acceptable practice.
Education of the individual is not the answer, for these women are not living in isolation but within a kin-based ethnic community which is encouraged in its rejection of assimilation by our Charter's insistence on multiculturalism. It is the encouragement of these beliefs and behaviour, within multiculturalism, that is the problem.
Feminists ought to reject the physical equality of men and women (which would lead to a rejection of abortion); and anyone with a grain of sense ought to reject the equality of cultures. Since our Charter supports the latter, and feminists won't change - then, govt regulation of abortions seems to be the answer at the moment.
Utgardaloki >
"...what makes you better than anybody?"
Experiance.
Abortion still just a pretty word for MURDER!!!!!
The shortest comment communicated the most wisdom.
@ lookout 1:19 PM
I’m anti-abortion:
just a suggestion; your words will be misused by the left to paint you as a person of 'no'; best to tell people what you are FOR. Life is priceless.
Why does the left have such a Kevorkian fascination with death?
'I think you make many ungrounded assertions - most of which have been critiqued by others here.'
I'm pretty sure I don't, or at least no more than some others who disagree with me - but this is not a forum, I'm not really here to debate unless someone engages me directly, like you have. So I leave criticisms not directed right at me or my statements alone, or else I'd have a comment for literally everything. I'll be leaving your entire statement alone, for instance.
..I'll be leaving your entire statement alone, for instance.
But not talking or responding to you specifically, but in general, not to any comment or statement. Got that?(but to your comment specifically I respond but we will pretend I do not)
They've banned sonographers from telling you the sex of your baby in Victoria now thanks to all this. Luckily for my first two we could find out but now for the third one on the way we'll have to let it be a surprise.
Utgardaloki >
Your kind of a weird duck aren’t you Utgardaloki, not really sure which way you swing, just pissing in the wind and hoping something works out for ya it seems.
In fact this thread is about hypocrisy, namely the hypocrisy of the Liberal left and its freaky Feminist sideshow.
Personally I could care less if the Left wants’ to murder millions of black/ brown babies in the US or elsewhere, it’s just one less gang banging murderer growing up in the Liberal welfare ghetto/ vote farms too me. I simply don’t want to have to fund it in any way, shape, or form, they are your murder factories and plantations. I’m not racist enough to want to cause anyone to be enslaved or dead, on the other hand I just don’t want to be forced to pay for their or anyone else’s survival either. I choose to help whom I wish.
So in that vein we are discussing apples and oranges, my pursuit is about preservation, not imperialism as you suggest. The preservation of my own language, culture, and borders, just like every other rational nation on earth does, with Liberal consent.
People are welcome to theirs as we are ours, I don’t want to feed or interfere in the world’s affairs and they need to leave mine alone. If they want to hang homosexuals in Iran, I don’t care, but I have a right to say not in my country, and that my friend is not hypocrisy, it is the way of the real world, outside of the Liberal Progressives hypocritical fantasies.
I like our other loki a lot better. BTW, Mad Malice has weighed in (she's fer it). (via BCF).
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1163258--hiding-toronto-hospital-ultrasound-results-to-prevent-sex-selection-is-pointless-and-possibly-racist?bn=1
utgardaloki - I haven't the slightest idea what your comments about not debating actually mean. Blogs are about debates; that's their function, to encourage discussion about issues, to encourage different points of view to be expressed, to encourage debate about these views.
Are you seriously declaring that all that you are doing on this site is 'talking but not listening'? Are you saying that all that you do is post comments but do not engage in discussion about these comments? Why not? Are you suggesting that other people have nothing of value to debate and discuss?
Your comments such as 'abortion regulation has no positive effects for anybody' is merely your own opinion and can and ought to be challenged. I refered to it, and so did others. You haven't answered these challenges.
Equally, it is a red herring to reject abortion regulation because, you claim, that it 'encourages big govt'. Multiculturalism encourages big govt but rejecting it should not be because of that but because of the moral, legal, political, societal infrastructure of multiculturalism.
You state that 'cultures are just a collection of ideas'. Whew - what a superficial statement. No, they are not just a collection of ideas, which sounds as if you can cherry pick and toss out this or that. A culture is a normative infrastructure, expressed not simply in beliefs but in behaviour (birth, marriage, work, home normative patterns) and you don't toss them that easily.
You state that solving the problem of abortions can be done easily by not allowing American interests to advertise in Canadian papers. Really? Such a simple solution.
What 'imperialist logic'?
Now, do you have nothing to say about my own comments? Or are you just someone who appears here, flings out a few comments and refuses to engage in a discussion.
ET >
Bingo, well said.
Obviously another trolling hack, throwing parroted pseudo junk out there and hoping it sticks to something. Generally even die hard lefties can coherently put a misplaced argument together following well established scripts and talking points.
I suppose there are two ways to rid the world of radical feminism: 1) institute sharia; 2) abort female fetuses.
It is nice that both are liked by radical feminists.
knight 99 - yes, that's what stuns me about the left (apart from their beliefs)..is their refusal to debate and to be accountable for their opinions.
Unreal - for utgardaloki to claim that this is not a site to carry on debates - unless someone engages him/her specifically. But that's the whole point of blogs - they are sites for debate, discussion, interaction.
I find that the left rejects these three: debate, discussion, interaction. They function only in rhetoric, the speech, the assertion - but reject the interaction, the honing in on clarity, logic, the requirement for evidence. Weird.
John Lewis >
Well said :)
That is precisely why they are a cult of self loathing masochists with an “apparently subconscious” suicidal belief system. This is precisely why we need to strip them of the outrageous amount of influence they weld in our society as they successfully continue to drag us down.
ET >
Bingo again – A perfect analysis.
My comments are always open for debate, which is the whole point of putting them out there to begin with. Most of the time their intentionally provocative to stimulate debate, but that’s the point of it after all, and why SDA is the best platform to do it on. Unlike the leftist blogs that moderate out unwelcome opinions before their even posted.
They're - they are.
Thanks, Rizwan, but I deliberately used the term “anti-abortion”. We’re talking the feminists being actually, pro-abortion. Let’s call a spade a spade—something the feminists and their allies never do.
lookout - yes, those two euphemisms are pet peeves of mine. People might as well say "I'm pro-good things".
Abortion and Trudeau-style multiculturalism are sacred cows to white liberal feminists. If killing someone's offspring was seen as alright for any reason before, this backward cultural practice of males-only should be no different. It was never about personal autonomy, responsibility, respect for life or cultures. It was about pride in one's groundless political opinions (as they are tied to the toffy-nosed's sense of personal worth) and protecting them at all costs.
Anyone else read Heather Malice's take on this in today's Red Star? All the lefty women are circling the wagons now to protect ethnic gender selection, just as they've protected FGM. Thanks, Feminazis!
Ellie, Heather Mallick is a new breed of crazy.
Ellie - For my own mental and physical health, I never read a thing by that monumentally ignorant, stupid and bigoted Heather Malice (good name for her).