There is no such thing as a 'natural governing party'.
The Liberal Party was simply a government bought, paid, and robbed from its erstwhile supporters.
The 'love' for the most part turned out to be an addiction to money. No money, no love. Which is about the same experience as Obama's Secret Service agents in Columbia...
"Hell hath no fury, like a hooker scorned".
But then the Liberal Party was simply looking for a roll in the hay and accomplished nothing but crop failure.
When the Progressive Conservative Party lost its way, when it no longer represented the beliefs and aspirations of conservatives, conservatives had the strength and initiative to build a new party from scratch based on sounder principles. And they were eventually rewarded for it.
Liberals are mired in the glories of yesteryear. It's the party of the past, not the future. How sad. How dreary.
The solution for the NGP is to enlist Coyne to lead the LPC.
He's right, the Libs are stuck on the Bob Rae politics of scandal-and-fear mongering,with no one stepping to the forefront that any sane person would want to lead the Country.
The Libs don't have to worry about extinction,there are still lots of Liberals to keep their support at third Party level,and Thomas Mulcair is not the person the majority of Canadians would choose as PM.
It remains to be seen if he can even convince the majority of Quebec separatists to support him in 2015. The ad currently running for the new NDP and their new Leader,shows a positively creepy-looking Mulcair who resembles more a bit part player from an old Roger Corman horror flick than a serious candidate for high political office.
Yes,the Liberals can make a comeback, but that will take hard work,and too many of their supporters are of the while collar let-someone -else-do-the dirty-work type.
As long as they're there searching for a Messiah,at least they'll prevent a united coalition of the Left,so they DO serve a useful purpose.
And if they MUST have a Messiah,Obama might be available later this year.
The way for a party to rebuild itself is from the bottom up, not the top down. Liberals' desperate search for a Messiah tells me they don't understand the problem.
Re: "A party that went where the free-market Tories would not — on supply management for instance, or deregulation of broadcasting — without their autocratic impulses;"
That last little bit goes to the core of the Liberal Party since at least the days of Trudeau. They think they know what is good for Canadians more than the country's own citizens do. Arrogance is the only term that comes to mind.
It seems to me that the lefts Messiah is always man and the Rights Messiah is Devine. In general terms of course. For the record I would rather follow the principles taught by the Devine Messiah than the one by say....Obama.
Over lunch yesterday an old friend posited a question to me: "Having elected Harper with a majority, how come he does not appear to be governing in a conservative manner?"
The answer may lie in the moribund state of the Liberals. Both Harper and Mulcair are now fighting for Coyne's center. If the Libs continue to ignore this battle, then the next election will be fought over where the former liberal voters will turn, either right or left.
Other than occasional red meat such as long gun de-registry, Conservatives will continue to offer Liberal budgets for the forseable future.
The Liberals are the Fat Lady and they can't sing anymore. Kinda like Momma Cass in her later days. They are in a bind. They are used to having some paid flack catcher wipe their a*ses for them, and the msm coo over them. And now that they are too fat to wipe their own as*es, all they can do is lie around and stink the place up....
politicians and pundits have lost sight of the fact that they don't KNOW, the world has become so complex that they don't bother to keep up to current information, thusly that damning line "a party that was willing to advocate for sensible environmental policy — which means making consumers pay the full environmental cost for things"
"Liberals are mired in the glories of yesteryear. It's the party of the past, not the future. How sad. How dreary."
I don't find it sad or dreary. I want them ground into dust and utterly destroyed forever. What the liberals did to this country, I will never forgive.
The only lefty vote they'll be splitting is in QC. The dippers will be fighting with the Bloc once the people of Quebec realize what they've done voting in the teenage opposition.
Coyne is so clueless about politics outside of Toronto it's a wonder anyone reads his crap. Canadians don't want the "Liberal" party. It's over forever no matter what they do. No one west of Ontario votes for them and never will again no matter who they pick for their leader. All previous votes for Dion and Martin were scaredy cat votes. People have seen the light and they aren't going back in the cave ever again. The true believers in socialism are in the NDP camp, the rest vote Conservative. The only people voting Liberal are mouth breather types.
What Coyne forgets to mention is that if we had been influenced by him (fat chance!!) during the last election the Liberals would now be the government in power.
I don't know who's more lost these days - the lpc or Andrew coyne.
If he thinks that the body politic that is the lpc of the present would even remotely consider getting rid of supply management and other restrictions on a free market that exist he has been out of touch for a very very long time.
With 58 seats in quebec the NDP will have to walk the the Anglo/French fence until the next election and that will be almost impossible without falling on one side or the other since Jack promised everything to everyone and can't deliver. If the Libs just shut up and show up I think there will be enough meat on the bleached bones of the NDP to put them back in contention. Mulcair has already antagonized the rural base and he has just begun. Libs just might look pretty good to the lefties without a home. They were always far left of center. Just not quite as far as the orange dippers.
A Newfie died and went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him. He asked, "What are all those clocks?" St. Peter answered, "Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie the hands on your clock will move." "Oh," said the man, "whose clock is that?" "That's Mother Teresa's. The hands have never moved, indicating that she never told a lie." Incredible," said the man. "And whose clock is that one?" St. Peter responded, "That's Joey Smallwood's clock. The hands have moved twice, telling us that Joey told only two lies in his entire life." Where is Jack Laytons clock?" asked the man. "His clock is in Jesus' office. He's using it as a ceiling fan."
Going back about 40 years, there were Liberal MPs in rural Alberta, actually where I'm sitting right now. Trudeau decided he didn't need Alberta's votes and went to war with Lougheed over oil. He said to Saskatchewan farmers "Why should I sell your wheat?" Apparently he had never heard of the Wheat Board his government ran.
Trudeau went to war with Quebec on the Constitution and they haven't forgiven him yet. The Liberals made themselves unelectable in half the country and you can't win with half the country. It's as simple as that.
"In 1989, Morselli was the apparent target of a car bombing that remains unsolved. At the time, Morselli said he hadn't received any direct threat although he didn't discount the possibility the attack had something to do with his political activities."
I agree with Kate, and hope they don't stop ALL their "political activities".
For years the LPC's agenda had become simply power for power's sake. Once that power was broken the venal opportunists who built it and whom it had attracted had no further use for it and those who had been paying protection money to it no longer had a reason to fear it. Votes disappeared in the first instance and money in the second. By changing the campaign finance laws Chretien had the last laugh in taking revenge on the Liberal party back room boys and the Martin camp who had viewed him with utter contempt. He, Chretien, forced the Liberals to look themselves in the mirror and see themselves and their party for who and what they really were. Most Liberals couldn't bear to do it. The result is as we see: vapid self delusion, and pining for a mythical virtuous past which was the antithesis of the Liberal Party's nasty, corrupt, elitist reality.
Bob Rae is a consultant he is not a real Tom Cat. A consultant is a Tom Cat that fell off the backfence and ripped his nuts off. Now he goes consulting. Until the Liberals bury Trudeau and renounce all the wrongs he did to English Canada, they may as well stay home and lick the place were their testicles used to be.....
Liberals renounce Trudeau, sounds about as likely as Muslims renounce Mohammed.
Their mindset would only allow them to re-invent Trudeau, either by natural succession, or a new package. But with the internet around, people will insist on unwrapping that package, much more than in the first instance. So it will be a self-defeating project and I would be surprised if the Liberals ever appeared again as more than a third party in parliament.
Andrew Coyne has a blue print for the Liberal$ on how they can get ahead -- or, at least, stay afloat:
... the way for Liberals to break out of the box they are in is to redefine the centre: to be more Conservative than the Conservatives on some issues, more NDP than the NDP on others, and so attract support from both. A party that went where the free-market Tories would not — on supply management for instance, or deregulation of broadcasting — without their autocratic impulses; a party that was willing to advocate for sensible environmental policy — which means making consumers pay the full environmental cost for things — unencumbered by the NDP’s ties to the unions: such a party would have every chance of surviving, and what is more, of mattering.
But that requires a boldness — of vision, and of action — that so far seems in short supply.
Isn't this the guy who told the world he was voting for the Librano$ in the last election? What was the attraction then? I mean, what's changed?
I am glad the Liberals are as good as gone. They did it to themselves beginning with the Marxist Trudeau and it serves them right for standing for nothing.
I also occasionally get sucked in by Andrew Coyne's articles. He is just more subtle than John Moore or Dan Gardner.
I suppose one could sympathize with the Librano plight if they're irrelevance wasn't so deserved. I'm not sure if taking "advice" from a chinless wonder like Coyne would sufficiently alleviate that irrelevance enough for the Libranos to regain the throne. The Libranos are primarily the Trudeau Party, to which Coyne is a card carrying member, so I guess the Librano irrelevance is no less or greater then Coynes own ferocious irrelevance. Although, if Coyne wants to keep up the pretense that he is some kind of outsider from the Librano herd, then ultimately I guess it's good for a laugh, but not much else. If Coyne would like some free advice, I would suggest he stick to writing hysterical overly partisan pieces on the F-35 "fiasco" or the "Robocon scandal".
What the Liberals should be studying are the elements of classical liberalism that they dumped a long, long time ago. The right to own, use and enjoy property; freedom of speech; freedom from state interference, etc.
Won't happen of course. Far too many sissies and fartsuckers in the mix.
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There is no such thing as a 'natural governing party'.
The Liberal Party was simply a government bought, paid, and robbed from its erstwhile supporters.
The 'love' for the most part turned out to be an addiction to money. No money, no love. Which is about the same experience as Obama's Secret Service agents in Columbia...
"Hell hath no fury, like a hooker scorned".
But then the Liberal Party was simply looking for a roll in the hay and accomplished nothing but crop failure.
Cheers
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1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
When the Progressive Conservative Party lost its way, when it no longer represented the beliefs and aspirations of conservatives, conservatives had the strength and initiative to build a new party from scratch based on sounder principles. And they were eventually rewarded for it.
Liberals are mired in the glories of yesteryear. It's the party of the past, not the future. How sad. How dreary.
The solution for the NGP is to enlist Coyne to lead the LPC.
He's right, the Libs are stuck on the Bob Rae politics of scandal-and-fear mongering,with no one stepping to the forefront that any sane person would want to lead the Country.
The Libs don't have to worry about extinction,there are still lots of Liberals to keep their support at third Party level,and Thomas Mulcair is not the person the majority of Canadians would choose as PM.
It remains to be seen if he can even convince the majority of Quebec separatists to support him in 2015. The ad currently running for the new NDP and their new Leader,shows a positively creepy-looking Mulcair who resembles more a bit part player from an old Roger Corman horror flick than a serious candidate for high political office.
Yes,the Liberals can make a comeback, but that will take hard work,and too many of their supporters are of the while collar let-someone -else-do-the dirty-work type.
As long as they're there searching for a Messiah,at least they'll prevent a united coalition of the Left,so they DO serve a useful purpose.
And if they MUST have a Messiah,Obama might be available later this year.
The way for a party to rebuild itself is from the bottom up, not the top down. Liberals' desperate search for a Messiah tells me they don't understand the problem.
When elites of the punditry class declare you the Natural Governing Party® .... brace for a response from the naturally governed.
One of the best lines I've seen in a very long time.
Re: "A party that went where the free-market Tories would not — on supply management for instance, or deregulation of broadcasting — without their autocratic impulses;"
That last little bit goes to the core of the Liberal Party since at least the days of Trudeau. They think they know what is good for Canadians more than the country's own citizens do. Arrogance is the only term that comes to mind.
"Arrogance is the only term that comes to mind." After Hubris comes Nemesis. Or, swirling toilet sounds.
"autocratic impulses"....They think they know what is good for Canadians more than the country's own citizens do.
Sounds like the US DEMONcRATs.....whose raison d'etre is simply power for the Party elites.
I cannot believe I stuck through the entire of Coyne's commentary only to have to get to this line:
"a party that was willing to advocate for sensible environmental policy — which means making consumers pay the full environmental cost for things"
I keep falling into the Coyne trap - no more!
@ TJ at April 19, 2012 12:23 PM
I too thought it was a logical article until I hit that line and it was instant McGuinty.
It seems to me that the lefts Messiah is always man and the Rights Messiah is Devine. In general terms of course. For the record I would rather follow the principles taught by the Devine Messiah than the one by say....Obama.
TJ and peterj said it: Falling into Coyne's trap.
Who/what came to mind?
This came to mind: Liberal Citoyen Kyoto Dionky/Green Shaft.
Beware a left-liberal Coyne.
Over lunch yesterday an old friend posited a question to me: "Having elected Harper with a majority, how come he does not appear to be governing in a conservative manner?"
The answer may lie in the moribund state of the Liberals. Both Harper and Mulcair are now fighting for Coyne's center. If the Libs continue to ignore this battle, then the next election will be fought over where the former liberal voters will turn, either right or left.
Other than occasional red meat such as long gun de-registry, Conservatives will continue to offer Liberal budgets for the forseable future.
Right now the Liberals remind me of a middle-aged disco queen playing her records over and over again and waiting for disco to make a comeback.
Anyone who thinks Harper is no different than a Liberal now has simply forgotten what this country was like in 2005.
The change has been massive.
The Liberals are the Fat Lady and they can't sing anymore. Kinda like Momma Cass in her later days. They are in a bind. They are used to having some paid flack catcher wipe their a*ses for them, and the msm coo over them. And now that they are too fat to wipe their own as*es, all they can do is lie around and stink the place up....
politicians and pundits have lost sight of the fact that they don't KNOW, the world has become so complex that they don't bother to keep up to current information, thusly that damning line "a party that was willing to advocate for sensible environmental policy — which means making consumers pay the full environmental cost for things"
I do hope they'll find some way to survive well enough to continue splitting the lefty vote for the foreseable future.
"Liberals are mired in the glories of yesteryear. It's the party of the past, not the future. How sad. How dreary."
I don't find it sad or dreary. I want them ground into dust and utterly destroyed forever. What the liberals did to this country, I will never forgive.
The only lefty vote they'll be splitting is in QC. The dippers will be fighting with the Bloc once the people of Quebec realize what they've done voting in the teenage opposition.
Coyne is so clueless about politics outside of Toronto it's a wonder anyone reads his crap. Canadians don't want the "Liberal" party. It's over forever no matter what they do. No one west of Ontario votes for them and never will again no matter who they pick for their leader. All previous votes for Dion and Martin were scaredy cat votes. People have seen the light and they aren't going back in the cave ever again. The true believers in socialism are in the NDP camp, the rest vote Conservative. The only people voting Liberal are mouth breather types.
What Coyne forgets to mention is that if we had been influenced by him (fat chance!!) during the last election the Liberals would now be the government in power.
I don't know who's more lost these days - the lpc or Andrew coyne.
If he thinks that the body politic that is the lpc of the present would even remotely consider getting rid of supply management and other restrictions on a free market that exist he has been out of touch for a very very long time.
With 58 seats in quebec the NDP will have to walk the the Anglo/French fence until the next election and that will be almost impossible without falling on one side or the other since Jack promised everything to everyone and can't deliver. If the Libs just shut up and show up I think there will be enough meat on the bleached bones of the NDP to put them back in contention. Mulcair has already antagonized the rural base and he has just begun. Libs just might look pretty good to the lefties without a home. They were always far left of center. Just not quite as far as the orange dippers.
Something like this scenario.
A Newfie died and went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him. He asked, "What are all those clocks?" St. Peter answered, "Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie the hands on your clock will move." "Oh," said the man, "whose clock is that?" "That's Mother Teresa's. The hands have never moved, indicating that she never told a lie." Incredible," said the man. "And whose clock is that one?" St. Peter responded, "That's Joey Smallwood's clock. The hands have moved twice, telling us that Joey told only two lies in his entire life." Where is Jack Laytons clock?" asked the man. "His clock is in Jesus' office. He's using it as a ceiling fan."
RFB Quote
"The Liberals are the Fat Lady and they can't sing anymore. Kinda like Momma Cass in her later days."
And they keep eating ham sandwiches.
Going back about 40 years, there were Liberal MPs in rural Alberta, actually where I'm sitting right now. Trudeau decided he didn't need Alberta's votes and went to war with Lougheed over oil. He said to Saskatchewan farmers "Why should I sell your wheat?" Apparently he had never heard of the Wheat Board his government ran.
Trudeau went to war with Quebec on the Constitution and they haven't forgiven him yet. The Liberals made themselves unelectable in half the country and you can't win with half the country. It's as simple as that.
The end result of the Turd-oh legacy.
Just another failed rich kid dilettante who convinced himself of his own superiority.
Hope the don't smell bad as they corrode.
"In 1989, Morselli was the apparent target of a car bombing that remains unsolved. At the time, Morselli said he hadn't received any direct threat although he didn't discount the possibility the attack had something to do with his political activities."
I agree with Kate, and hope they don't stop ALL their "political activities".
For years the LPC's agenda had become simply power for power's sake. Once that power was broken the venal opportunists who built it and whom it had attracted had no further use for it and those who had been paying protection money to it no longer had a reason to fear it. Votes disappeared in the first instance and money in the second. By changing the campaign finance laws Chretien had the last laugh in taking revenge on the Liberal party back room boys and the Martin camp who had viewed him with utter contempt. He, Chretien, forced the Liberals to look themselves in the mirror and see themselves and their party for who and what they really were. Most Liberals couldn't bear to do it. The result is as we see: vapid self delusion, and pining for a mythical virtuous past which was the antithesis of the Liberal Party's nasty, corrupt, elitist reality.
Bob Rae is a consultant he is not a real Tom Cat. A consultant is a Tom Cat that fell off the backfence and ripped his nuts off. Now he goes consulting. Until the Liberals bury Trudeau and renounce all the wrongs he did to English Canada, they may as well stay home and lick the place were their testicles used to be.....
I could sure go for some of their budget balancing right now.
Liberals renounce Trudeau, sounds about as likely as Muslims renounce Mohammed.
Their mindset would only allow them to re-invent Trudeau, either by natural succession, or a new package. But with the internet around, people will insist on unwrapping that package, much more than in the first instance. So it will be a self-defeating project and I would be surprised if the Liberals ever appeared again as more than a third party in parliament.
Andrew Coyne: Liberals fail to grasp direness of their situation, nearly a year after collapse
Let me fix that headline for you:
Andrew Coyne: Party who received my kiss-of-death endorsement in last election floundering and it's not my fault.
Andrew Coyne has a blue print for the Liberal$ on how they can get ahead -- or, at least, stay afloat:
... the way for Liberals to break out of the box they are in is to redefine the centre: to be more Conservative than the Conservatives on some issues, more NDP than the NDP on others, and so attract support from both. A party that went where the free-market Tories would not — on supply management for instance, or deregulation of broadcasting — without their autocratic impulses; a party that was willing to advocate for sensible environmental policy — which means making consumers pay the full environmental cost for things — unencumbered by the NDP’s ties to the unions: such a party would have every chance of surviving, and what is more, of mattering.
But that requires a boldness — of vision, and of action — that so far seems in short supply.
Isn't this the guy who told the world he was voting for the Librano$ in the last election? What was the attraction then? I mean, what's changed?
I am glad the Liberals are as good as gone. They did it to themselves beginning with the Marxist Trudeau and it serves them right for standing for nothing.
I also occasionally get sucked in by Andrew Coyne's articles. He is just more subtle than John Moore or Dan Gardner.
I suppose one could sympathize with the Librano plight if they're irrelevance wasn't so deserved. I'm not sure if taking "advice" from a chinless wonder like Coyne would sufficiently alleviate that irrelevance enough for the Libranos to regain the throne. The Libranos are primarily the Trudeau Party, to which Coyne is a card carrying member, so I guess the Librano irrelevance is no less or greater then Coynes own ferocious irrelevance. Although, if Coyne wants to keep up the pretense that he is some kind of outsider from the Librano herd, then ultimately I guess it's good for a laugh, but not much else. If Coyne would like some free advice, I would suggest he stick to writing hysterical overly partisan pieces on the F-35 "fiasco" or the "Robocon scandal".
Maybe Coyne is applying (coyly of course) for the job as Liberal leader. He seems to have a "plan" for their come-back.
Coyne has a point...but only to a point.
Foregt his silly "sensible environmental policy".
What the Liberals should be studying are the elements of classical liberalism that they dumped a long, long time ago. The right to own, use and enjoy property; freedom of speech; freedom from state interference, etc.
Won't happen of course. Far too many sissies and fartsuckers in the mix.