Hybrid car owners bite the hand that feeds them. Precisely what did large corporations think would happen when they started courting and targeting liberals and socialists?
ht to myself (my apologies to the eye-sensitive folk, I haven’t changed the background yet)
Next vehicle’s gonna be a Ram with a Cummins…
The GOVERNMENT mandates the way that mileage numbers are produced. It’s a GOVERNMENT standard test and she sues and wins a lawsuit against the company that was forced to use said test and report the numbers? The world is run by crazy people indeed. People wonder why GM is basically just a healthcare insurance company now.
Shouldn’t this woman be taking the U.S. government to court; they are the one publishing the stupidly optimistic test data? The EPA had to revise their tests in 2007 to make them somewhat resemble real world driving.
EPA numbers for Civic hybrid:
(mpg – U.S. gallons)
2006: City 49 Highway 51
2007: City 40 Highway 45
Every car manufacturer (and not just of hybrids) are infamous for gaming the tests to show the best mileage.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=22643
BTW – Consumers Reports reported real world mileage as 37 mpg. combined.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/video-hub/cars/sedans–hatchbacks/honda-civic-20062011-review/14684540001/1756096550/
Using the same twisted logic, all new car purchasers could sue the respective manufacturers for failing to reach the mileage claims stated by the EPA. I have never seen any EPA mileage rating ever met in the real world. Maybe the judge was sniffing too many fumes of…?
Blond…woman…lawyer
They should have known this couldn’t end well. 😉
These car companies are losing thousands on every hybrid and electric car they produce and the people who buy them want to sue them?
I can see the end of the production line approaching rapidly.
This is an ‘own goal’ by the Warmists who can’t seem to lose this AGW battle fast enough.
And I hope Toyota gets much, much more of the same.
Their preachy ‘it’s all about the environment’ ads on WILD TV would gag a maggot.
IMHO, if the manufacturer knew that the EPA mileage rating was wildly unrealistic, they had a duty to inform the customer of that fact.
There are sins of omission, as well as sins of commission.
Gord nails it, and the Honda technician at trial confirmed it.
“A Honda technical expert who testified at an earlier hearing said the company was required by federal law to post the sticker estimating the highest mileage the car could get.”
Estimate….
Cappin, I read your blog entry at the link and had a good laugh. That is soooo true.
Estimating. 50 mph on the test track with over inflated tires and the wind at your back on a very warm day with the driver weighing no more than 90 lbs. Leave out the spare donut and everything else that weighs more than 6 oz.
It’s like political promises before the election. A honest (yea,I know) salesman once told me If you want the real mileage just knock off one third from stated claim. He was right and I was so impressed with his lack of bullsh*t, I bought the next car from him too. He retired couple of years ago but was the consistant number 1 salesman for many years. The product head office could have learned from him.
As Ive said Lefties love money especially free money they never made. They just don’t want anyone else to have any.
No excuse is to small to cry for more evil money that they can enjoy without working an hour for it.
My dad always said that when you give in to a complainer, they get what they want and all you get is more complaining.
He said what they really need is a good boot in the a$$, and then they’ll be done complaining, and you’ll have the satisfaction of having booted someone in the a$$.
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Not entirely sure how this applies here, but if Honda was lookin’ for someone to boot in the a$$ (or a bust in the teeth, which the Captain is partial to), she might be the right person to start with…
Good luck with renters Capt. , I sold both my rent trailors back in the 90’s and never looked back.
On another note; this DieHard Chevy Man just bought a Subura Outback 2.5L AWD 6-speed manual. And I am here to tell ya that lil son of a gun will get it. Can’t wait till it snows down heya to give it whirl.
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The whole theme of this thread is laughable. Everyone one of you that’s bought a new vehicle has cried a river about the disparity between advertised economy and real world. OR YOU’RE A LIAR.
bear, you moron.
I have bought one, count it, ONE new vehicle in my life. It was an ’81 Datsun King Cab 4X4 pickup. It got great mileage, not that I was ever really all that concerned then about fuel costs. I bought an import because I figured it would get better mileage than the domestic competitors, sure, but I don’t know if I ever even asked about the EPA mileage rating. I knew enough even then to know that figure was just smoke and mirrors.
That truck lasted me a long time. Since then, I have bought used, even though now I could, in fact, afford to buy new. The current offerings of the industry just don’t turn my crank, and I sure as Hell can’t see taking on a huge depreciation hit for the dubious pleasure of owning a “new” whatever that I don’t even like.
And I’m a gearhead. I own more cars, trucks, and motorized conveyances than Al Gore owns houses. And every one, I can fix myself if I have to do it. I didn’t leave the plantation; the plantation left me.
Diesel cars DO get the high mileage that the manufacturers claim. More importantly they don’t need the toxically produced batteries to do it. Hybrid and electric vehicles are just another example of the greenwashed scams that abound when the uninformed public falls for propaganda.
The 1978 Volkswagen Diesel Rabbit,with a four speed transmission would get well over forty mpg,even cruising at 110 kmh.
It had a 1.6l engine,and was the best little car I ever owned,made in Germany with Teutonic pride.
I totalled it and bought an ’81 VWDR,which was made in Mexico,got about 35 mpg and had loads of quality problems.
That ’78 was the only vehicle I’ve ever owned that got the mileage it was rated at,all the rest were wishful thinking,especially the big V-8’s.
When you buy an under powered car that does not match your drivring habits….of course you will burn more gas because your foot is to the metal all the time…my father inlaw alway wants to know how my mileage is…I always tell him I bought this car or truck with X HP…what ever I get I’m happy…I’m heavy on the gas pedal why be any thing else….//
The only car out there right now that gets close to 50mpg stock is the Volkswagen TDI. Its a diesel. It smokes all the hybrids for mileage AND performance hands down.
The TDI Golf/Jetta can be made to meet or exceed 50mpg with the addition of some mild engine mods and water/methanol injection.
Watermelons in N. America hate diesel and have been working everywhere to ban it, witness recent moves by California in that regard based on 100% false data the Greenies completely made up.
At some point the big car companies are going to stop doing business in California, or the Greenies are going to be tossed out of there.
Government Motors is safe from a massive lawsuit over its hybrid Volt because sales have been so poor (603 in January). Here is a comment from americanthinker.com about GM’s eco-turkey:
Des 12 hours ago
Just 603 Volts were sold in January. To compare Volt to Edsel is to illustrate the magnitude of the failure at Obama’s favorite car company. In its first year, 63,110 Edsels were sold in the United States. Another 4,935 units were sold in Canada. Even in its second year, more than 47,000 Edsels were sold in the American and Canadian markets. Whether Volt is a flaming failure or just an overpriced, unattractive car, the public has made its decision in the marketplace.
Here is a good article about the Volt failure:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/02/dont_insult_the_edsel_by_comparing_it_to_the_volt.html
“Not entirely sure how this applies here, but if Honda was lookin’ for someone to boot in the a$$ (or a bust in the teeth, which the Captain is partial to), she might be the right person to start with…
Posted by: bethesdaguy at February 3, 2012 3:01 PM ”
Do you even realize how asinine that statement is?(thought not).If Honda wants to boot somebodies ass,it should the EPA and the Zero’s commissar who makes them post FRADULANT claims.Give your two brain cells a shake.
There are sins of omission, as well as sins of commission.
Posted by: gordinkneehill at February 3, 2012 1:30 PM
But at least with a hybrid, not many sins of emission…
mhb23re
Notice there seem to be no questions as to why the milage was not achieved, Did the woman drive like a maniac? Fail to do scheduled maintainence? Use gasoline with ethanol?
No, just another entitlement leech who won’t accept responsibility for their own actions
The whole theme of this thread is laughable. Everyone one of you that’s bought a new vehicle has cried a river about the disparity between advertised economy and real world. OR YOU’RE A LIAR.
Posted by: the bear at February 3, 2012 4:34 PM
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You don’t have a clue.
I bought quite a few new vehicles for business, only two for personal use. I didn’t even know what the advertised economy was because that wasn’t why I bought them. If they got good mileage I was happy but I bought them for how well they suited my needs. Use your brain, for most people fuel economy is a minor reason for deciding to buy.
the bear at February 3, 2012 4:34 PM
That would be bear as in Winnie, right?
I own a 2007 Prius, bought used.
I live in rural, Eastern Ontario.
Mine is a US sold car so only reads in MPG. So all the numbers I’m giving you are for a US gallon. All temps are in Celsius.
Last full tank – 37 mpg but there was a lot of -17 weather in there. The car really hates being cold.
This current tank so far – 41 mpg but the weather has been between – 7 and 0
Summer mileage – average over 48 mpg with our best tank ever being 53 mpg. Since we get real-time fuel usage ratings you can see the difference an open window vs. A/C makes and so it is A/C all the way in the summer. Our car doesn’t have tinting and sure could use it but I’m lazy and cheap and keep arguing that there is more winter than summer here so I’ll take the solar gain in the winter vs more comfort in the summer.
BTW: the car isn’t emptied of everything to get that mileage and I’m nowhere near 90 lbs (closer to double that.)
To my way of thinking, if she can’t get 40 mpg in SoCal, then there is something wrong with the car and she deserved to win.
The whole theme of this thread is laughable. Everyone one of you that’s bought a new vehicle has cried a river about the disparity between advertised economy and real world. OR YOU’RE A LIAR.
Posted by: the bear at February 3, 2012 4:34 PM
Actually, one can meet or beat the posted MPG figures. Just driving in a relaxed manner and thinking ahead will work wonders. In 1983 I bought a Ford F100 rated at 18. I was amazed when I averaged over 18, and could top 20 on the highway. Even today -yes, I still have it- I get around 17. My daily driver is a 2002 Jetta TDI, and with that I average 45-48 MPG. I will admit that some of my cars did not deliver. My 2002 Ford Escape could barely crack 20 MPG on a good day, and required refueling about every 280 miles. Most annoying, especially considering both the (dual tank) F100 and Jetta can easily top 600 miles.