…I was talking about the issue of Germany’s identity. This identity is shaped by Christianity and the Enlightenment, not by Islam. I don’t have to qualify that…
…I was talking about the issue of Germany’s identity. This identity is shaped by Christianity and the Enlightenment, not by Islam. I don’t have to qualify that…
…and how do you suppose the German police WILL deal with a London/Paris/Wisconsin/Philadelphia uprising of ‘utes’?
After reading this absolutely marvelous letter, I can imagine one Canadian cabinet minister with the balls to say that:
http://www.jasonkenney.ca/news/an-open-letter-to-amnesty-international/
Why the hell isn’t this guy leading the party?
Well, at least the Germans aren’t afraid to admit what was behind the Nazi atrocities. Well done!
John G, Jason Kenney might be the most likely candidate for such a gutsy statement. I’d still fall off my chair if I heard it, though.
@Alex August 9, 2011 4:35 PM
Yeah, they finally admitted the Enlightenment was the motive for war crimes./
@Oz
Alex would probably go as far back as Jesus Christ and point the finger. Why stop there? Heck, why not go back to Moses, or perhaps the first amoeba? What? Of course amoebas are racists!
Well I dont know how true the statement would be if a Canadian Cabinet Minister made it.
Canada’s is shaped by a lot of things and calling out Christianity and the Enlightenment, which were both contributors would be to deny the role of British heritage, common law and constitutional monarchy. Thise probably have more effect, directly, than does the enlightenment….British common law and the British governing experience filter the enlightenment for Canadians.
As for Christianity, there are elements, and certainly British heritage was created by Christians.
The tie to religon, Luther etc is much more a part of German identity than it is part of a Canadian identity.
But this ultimately gets at the point that the idigenious/aboriginals of Europe are Europeans. This is different than North America where the dominant culture is ultimately one that is not tied to an ethnic or religous identity but a political one.
Fundamental difference between Europe and North America. And where Europe goes wrong is when they deny the fact that they have an indigenous culture and try to suppress it.
Well I dont know how true the statement would be if a Canadian Cabinet Minister made it.
Canada’s is shaped by a lot of things and calling out Christianity and the Enlightenment, which were both contributors would be to deny the role of British heritage, common law and constitutional monarchy. Thise probably have more effect, directly, than does the enlightenment….British common law and the British governing experience filter the enlightenment for Canadians.
As for Christianity, there are elements, and certainly British heritage was created by Christians.
The tie to religon, Luther etc is much more a part of German identity than it is part of a Canadian identity.
But this ultimately gets at the point that the idigenious/aboriginals of Europe are Europeans. This is different than North America where the dominant culture is ultimately one that is not tied to an ethnic or religous identity but a political one.
Fundamental difference between Europe and North America. And where Europe goes wrong is when they deny the fact that they have an indigenous culture and try to suppress it.
“Yeah, they finally admitted the Enlightenment was the motive for war crimes./”
Oh, yes, absolutely. After all, everyone knows the SS had the phrase “Zeitalter der Aufklärung” on their belt buckles. However, I think you may have missed a word in what Herr Friedrich was saying. You may want to go read it again.
To conflate the entire 1000+ year history of the German people with a mere 12 year political period in the early 20th Century is a new standard in absurdity even for you, Alex.
Your pathological hatred of Christianity and disrespect for history in general overshadows the rare lucid comments you make on the economic threads.
Stephen: Well, there was the Scottish Enlightenment, and the Scots certainly contributed a lot to Canada:
http://www.ltscotland.org.uk/scottishenlightenment/index.asp
Mark
Ottawa
Lance, are you by? Clean up on isle 8. Isles 4, 5, 6, and 7 are full of it.
Of course, “people are isolating themselves into online communities” in Europe because they have no talk radio, FOX news or any alternative to the govt run MSM, which is even more censorious of “wrongthink” than ours.
“To conflate the entire 1000+ year history of the German people with a mere 12 year political period in the early 20th Century is a new standard in absurdity even for you, Alex.”
Oh, don’t worry, I’m more than happy to give Christianity credit for all the other horrors committed by Germans in the name of their “god” during those 1000+ years. How foolish of you to assume I’d limit myself to a 20 year period!
“Your pathological hatred of Christianity and disrespect for history in general overshadows the rare lucid comments you make on the economic threads.”
Me? Hate a superstitious cult responsible for the murder of millions, and the brainwashing of billions? Perish the thought! What could I possibly have against a wonderful organization whose emblem is a corpse on a stick? A belief system which promises to torture me for all eternity, just because I think they’re full of s**t? No, clearly these are people to look up to and respect! I can totally see why you’d get down on your knees, and let them cover you in their gooey white “faith”. Doubtless, your amazing “knowledge” of history comes from the same perverse desire.
That quote fragment was buried in this section of the text —
// SPIEGEL: Can you explain why there isn’t a party like Norway’s Progress Party or a politician like Geert Wilders in the German Bundestag?
Friedrich: We have succeeded in refuting xenophobic theories, and as a result there is no room for such parties in Germany. Out of an awareness of German history, the country’s political parties have made an effort to cover the entire democratic spectrum. As far as my own party, the Christian Social Union, is concerned, (former Chairman) Franz Josef Strauss summed it up by saying that there could be no democratic party to the right of the CSU.
SPIEGEL: On your first day in office as German interior minister, you famously said that the idea that Islam is part of Germany is something “that cannot be proved by history.” Would you say this again, after Oslo?
Friedrich: Oh, come on, those two things have nothing to do with each other! I was talking about the issue of Germany’s identity. This identity is shaped by Christianity and the Enlightenment, not by Islam. I don’t have to qualify that.
SPIEGEL: After that, the New York Times wrote in an editorial that you had “gotten off to a disturbing, loathsome start.” It’s hard to imagine how German Muslims could regard you as a minister who also represents their interests.
Friedrich: The first thing I said at the time was that of course the Muslims who live in Germany are part of our society, but many ignored those words, because they don’t fit into the picture they wanted to paint of me. //
Losing support on the right is what he is worried about, and, like British & French politicos, he is dancing to the right in response, Do you think he is correct about there not being room for a xenophobic Geert Wilders style party?
As for identity, it’s a changeable thing, the German Enlightenment didn’t last long [ask the Jews] & it was replaced by a resurgence of identifying with Hermann & the Battle of the Teutoburger Forest. That was pre-Christian. Then we had the Aryan Germans & the humble “We’re So Sorry” Germans.
Now they all want to talk about Identity, which is a sign that things are in a state of flux.
Notice how they blame the INTERNET?
Not the drugs, or the reppresion of free speech, but the internet. ‘That changes people in ways no one notices”.
To me thats a 5 alarm fire.
JMO
Alex you do not know christ you do not know history or to be more specific christian history at all other wise according to you you would actually prefer to be christian than an athiest if your basing your faith or lack there of on crimes against humanity .
Are you going to try to tell me that pagans were kind loving people to all ? are you trying to tell me that the bullshivic’s and the russian tzars were nice people who were good ? are you going to try to tell me that stalin and lenin ordering the slaughter of innocent people (christians) in order to assert there rightful position as the peoples god of the state and that all the people can put there faith in them?
You know alex You liek to tip toe around what athiest’s have done in the name of there religion witch is the religion of no faith .
I know iknow alex your right all jails around the world are full of real true god fearing christians aren’t they !
You jerk.
I don’t blatantly attack you for your atheism i don’t care i would hope that you would repent and know christ as god nor me want you to burn in hell , and it is never to late to repent (if you know what the true meaning of it is) .
As well alex god has never left your side nor has he condemned you all you have herd about is his condemnation but you have no idea about what jesus did for you ,me and everyone else alive on this planet . You however have rebuked him you have left him you have rejected him . How foolish of you , I was an athiest alex and i thought exactly like you did , iti s very humbling to learn the other side of the coin and the truth about jesus and god , yes we are condemed to burn in eternal hell but god sent his son to bare the burdon of our bondage to sin we all sin even christians who every sunday go to church and do what alex ? repent and ask for forgivness and humble ourselves before god becasue we recognise how flawed and imperfect we are , not howm uch better than other we are .
A good quote i read from timothy kellers book called the reason for god beleif in an age of skeptisim it is this .
Church is a hospital ofr sinners not a museum for saint’s get that alex?
Probly not but i have not lost hope in you i pray for you and not because i feel sorry for you or have pity on you but becasue i want you to know jesus and i want what is good for you and happiness for you .
God bless
“You jerk. … God bless”
Christianity summed up in 4 words. Buncha smarmy self-righteous pricks.
Thanks, Paul, for demonstrating the link between education and religiosity. Your comment is just …. awesome.
Ignore Alex. He’s being a moron.
The time to defend Western values was after September 11th. Now, it is a fire sale. Whether people want to believe it or not, societies built on Judeo-Christian ethics work. When we abandon those ethics, we have rioting in London, double standards in Toronto and assaults in Norway.
Calling it as I see it.
“Whether people want to believe it or not, societies built on Judeo-Christian ethics work. When we abandon those ethics, we have rioting in London, double standards in Toronto and assaults in Norway.”
lol. You’re a comedic genius 😀 I couldn’t have done it better myself.
In Europe … even Germany the state can have such a person prosecuted for hate crimes…. I think a few Canadian pols need to put that to the test here.
One good thing about the trolls …. they remind you that your enemies really are morons…. persistant … but still morons.
lol. Yep, I’m the moron. Now tell me more about your invisible man in the sky 🙂
Alex, a little respect, please.
My God, the God whom I worship, is not an “invisible man in the sky.” Smiley face or not, your contemptuous characterization is simply unacceptable.
Isn’t it instructive that small-l liberals pay lip service to Canadians’ rights as outlined in their precious Charter of Rights and Freedoms but show nothing but contempt for Christians and the Christian God?
And, BTW, all of Toronto’s original hospitals were begun by Christians — for everyone, not just folks who went to church every Sunday — as were Toronto’s public educational system. ‘Funny thing, Alex, that all you point out are negatives. ‘Guess you don’t know your history: ‘typical of entitled youngsters in Canada today.
Yes, Alex, this pouty adolescent thing where you press all the buttons is tiresome but we know the attention you get must tickle you. I am going to (against my better judgment) appeal to you, as an adult to you- someone allegedly over the age of five- ask if you would live in ANY country NOT governed by Judeo-Christian ethics and the Enlightenment. If so, where would it be?
It’s probably asking too much for a coherent answer from you but indulge me.
It is asking too much of him, Osumashi.
He’s weird, is Alex. Sometimes he’ll say something kind of coherent or even touch on something interesting; one senses a glimmer of sentience; and then it’s back to the pre-adolescent “neener-neener-neener!” routine. There’s no point.
john g — I had not seen Kenny’s letter previously. It is superb. It is about time Amnesty hypocrisy was exposed and Kenny does the job very well. Thanks for posting.
Yeah, Black Mamba, I just thought I’d try.
Trollex seems to be very excitable today, lots of sound and fury signifying nothing.
It’ll probably recede in September. You know, after school starts.
@bath:
“My God, the God whom I worship, is not an ‘invisible man in the sky.’ Smiley face or not, your contemptuous characterization is simply unacceptable.”
Awww. Ok, fine, you believe in a god who raped a virgin so she would give birth to him, then sacrificed himself to himself in order to forgive us for the defects which he created. That’s a lot more intelligent and sane 😀
“Isn’t it instructive that small-l liberals pay lip service to Canadians’ rights as outlined in their precious Charter of Rights and Freedoms but show nothing but contempt for Christians and the Christian God?”
I dunno – why do you pay lip service to your precious charter, and have contempt for the christian god?
“And, BTW, all of Toronto’s original hospitals were begun by Christians”
YAAAAY! Hey, all the middle easts original hospitals were begun by muslims! I guess Islam is just hunkey-dorey in your books then, eh? :p
@sushi:
“I am going to (against my better judgment) appeal to you, as an adult to you- someone allegedly over the age of five- ask if you would live in ANY country NOT governed by Judeo-Christian ethics and the Enlightenment. If so, where would it be?”
Well I have no idea what “Judeo Christian Ethics” are (other than an oxymoron), and I LIKE the enlightenment, thanks, and wouldn’t want to live in any nation which wasn’t influenced by it. However, if you’re asking which countries I would live in that aren’t overflowing with christians and jews, there are a few. Japan. Denmark. Sweden. Korea. India. Christmas Island would be nice if they ever get that spaceport going. Morocco or Thailand would be nice retirement spots.
Want me to list the nations which are chock-full of christians, that I wouldn’t want to live in? Ok: Vatican city. Romania. Colombia. Kiribati. Armenia. Mexico. East Timor. How’s that for a start? Let me know if there’s anything else!
Sure alex twist my words and make them fit into your twisted mold of the world .
You spoke nothing of what secular athiest’s have done to christians since the fall of man , not one word because you live in a one dimensional world , you cannot and will not accept that there is more than your view of christianity.
You have never answered any of my questions nor have you spoken legitimatley to any of my point’s except for synicism and sarcastic belittling of my faith and me as a person , speaking of self righteous it sounds to me like your the self righteous one speaking down to us lowly simplton’s as if you have some sort of higher office over all christians , i think it is very easily displayed for all to see the issue with atheism when you decide to put yourself above others not recognising that you yourself are no better or worse than me .
You have not spoken to my point of jails being full of christians or atheist’s , nor have you spoken to OSUMASHI KINYOBE who asked you where you would rather live if not in countries govorned currently by judeo christian ethics .
Perhap’s turkey witch has vowed to be secular , or maybe china ? pick a spot alex and tell me if not in a country govorned by judeo christian ethics then where if it is soo hard to live here as my nieghbour figurativly speaking then tell us where will you go to live a richer more fullfilling life?
Alex you have made some good point’s on here i do not hate you i think under the sarcasm the cynical immiturity there is a genuinley good person you seem to have some sort of wall up especially towards christians , were you molested or mis treated by someone who is a christian in your past or something ? if so i feel for you i have a friend who was molested but certainly understands that it is our sinful human nature that makes us do these thing’s to each other and that blaming god for what humans do to each other . I called you a jerk because that is how you are acting if you don’t like being called a name then don’t do or say the thing’s that envoke those names simple math you are intellegent so instead of lowering yourself to misquotes and twisting words use your god given talent of reason and rational to promote your beleif’s as appossed to attcking some one elses right i gave you lot’s of reasons i defend my faith you have not really given me any reasonable argument to bring me to your side of thinking ie. all trouble in the world is christians fault ….lol. sorry you are smarter than that i want you to defend your attacks on christianity what have christians personally done to you to make you loath them so much?
I dunno man/woman I turley hope the best for you
I didn’t twist your words, Paul – I quoted them – 4 of them – verbatim. I ignored the rest of what you wrote because, to be brutally honest, your writing technique makes you seem half-literate, incoherent, and completely unaware that your “questions” have been answered by tens of thousands of people over the last couple hundred years. Christian scholars don’t make those arguments because they know it makes them look ridiculous to anyone except the most indoctrinated of their sheep – whenever they debate atheists, they resort to cosmological arguments and an appeal to a deistic force rather than the literal words of the bible. I know that sounds insulting, but I’m honestly not trying to hurt your feelings or upset you – just letting you know why I tend to ignore you.
With that said, I do appreciate the change in your tone, and I hope you’ll forgive me for being impatient with you. If you honestly want to exchange views, and are willing to be open minded and look at new information instead of just thumpin’ the ol’ Book, I’ll give you my e-mail address and we can give it a shot. Otherwise, trying to have a real discussion on here is rather pointless. Either way, best of luck to ya.
Ignore Alex. He’s being a moron.
Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at August 9, 2011 8:55 PM
^^^
This.
The only reason the concept of mercy, forgiveness, and the inherent dignity of the individual exists in and forms the basis of all Western law, including, of course Canadian law, is the Christian canon: God’s law; the Bible. It is difficult in the space available to set straight all the mistruths that have been said concerning the Bible. The Bible’s message is not that man has sinned, and thus is not loved by God – that is Satan’s lie – but that God desires happiness for all
His children, and His love causes Him to never cease His efforts at bringing those children back to Him, as long as they live. The message in the Bible, over and over, is that of people screwing up, and of God always offering those people a second chance. He offered and still offers forgiveness to all who will admit they have fallen short and accept His Son as Savior and Lord of their heart. God’s promise to all who do so is that he forgets ALL their sins: past, present and future, forever.
Well i appreciate your responce those questions have not been answered sorry to miss in form you on either side of the coin if that is the way you look at it.
As for e-mail exchanges i would be interested if you are interested to forward your e-mail onto my pastor as he is more equiped that i , i have been a christian for 4 years following and practicing.
As for my grammar ,english,spelling,punctuation so on and so forth i appologise i really sell myself short because i sucked at it in school and now i suffer the consiquences of not paying attention and really not caring in school i guess i had A.D.H.D. i don’t beelive that i beleive i was just a kid .
I understand that you may not want to respond to me becasue others have said the same for the same reasons i try to make an effort but i really do just suck at basic english skills. lol (red face) i was to busy getting drunk and being the class clown in school back in my godless day’s .
I do hope you will respond to my above post’s for all to see in here.
@SMALL C CONSERVATIVE
Well put ! You summed up in a couple paragraph’s what ihave tried to say in about four pages lol.
Thank you god bless!
I would answer your questions, except I really can’t parse them. If you give me a point-form list I can go through them one by one, but I’m not going to go back through your last 3 comments to try and figure out which are serious questions, which are rhetorical, which are statements, or what exactly you were asking in each one.
I’m always getting christians offering to have their pastor talk to me 🙂 I understand – you don’t think you’re qualified, your pastor is probably articulate and seems – to you – quite knowledgeable, and you’d like him to take a shot at converting me. I’ll have to decline. I’m willing to speak to you because you’ve piqued my interest; I have no desire to speak to a pastor I’ve never met. I’ve spoken to many pastors in the past. It’s been enjoyable on occasion, educational once or twice, and very interesting a few times. I’ve even met pastors who don’t believe in god, but can’t bring themselves to leave the church. While I might be interested in speaking with your pastor if I had already met him, I see no point in just having you pass on my contact info. He won’t be able to tell me anything that I haven’t already heard from his peers.
Let me just emphasize something to you, Paul: the difference between me and you isn’t any knowledge which you’ve acquired and I haven’t. You seem to be under the impression that you “were an atheist” and that this means you were just like me. Don’t kid yourself. I’ve read your holy books. I’ve been to your churches. I’ve spoken with your congregations, and with priests and padres. I’ve also studied other religions, from the ancient Greek and Roman beliefs, to Norse Mythology, to Hinduism and Islam. The reason I disbelieve the claims of your religion is not ignorance; I disbelieve them because after all the reading, and discussions, and debates, I have found most of the claims to be either outright lies or primitive superstitions, and have never heard a single bit of evidence that supports any of those claims. Believe me when I tell you that any argument or question you bring to the table will not be new to me. I guarantee that I have a better understanding of your religion than do 90% of actual Christians.
No, the real difference between me and you is that, while you have reject all the tens of thousands of religions which man-kind has invented except for one, I’ve reject one more than you. Figure out why you don’t believe in the Hindu gods, or the Greek Gods, or the Norse Gods, and you’ll be a bit closer to understanding why I find your Gods equally preposterous.
Nevertheless, we need to acknowledge that the dude is right, i.e. German, and indeed European and Western, identity is based on Christianity & Enlightenment, albeit perhaps historically idealized versions of them.
That, however, doesn’t mean that we all need to believe, or not believe, in a god.
A lot of us defenders of Western values are actually “atheist christians”.
Let me get this straight, Alex- Denmark and Sweden (which started with Judeo-Christian ethics- until now), Japan (twelve percent Christian with a dwindling population), South Korea (nearly fifty percent Christian) and India (Anglo civil service and with a Christian population that’s slowly dismantling the Hindu caste system) would be agreeable to you? Of course not. They’re filled with brown people and your mum would never move there.
You’re a sad, little fellow. Keep beating that keyboard.
‘National identity’ is a collectivist concept, and not that important; it’s merely descriptive, and certainly not carved in stone. It has been invoked to defend mischievous nonsense like Cancon quotas on TV and radio, and the CBC through the BS about “telling stories to ourselves”. Quebec gets caught up in it too, what with phony concepts like “the French face of Quebec”.
Individual rights, on the other hand, are important.
I read the whole interview. Does anybody else think this Friedrich is a total weasel?
Case in point:
“SPIEGEL: Where is the boundary between legitimate discourse and racist or right-wing extremist agitation?
Friedrich: The boundary is set by our constitution. There can be no justification for violating the dignity of other human beings, irrespective of whether it has to do with a political or a religious view. That is the underlying consensus of our constitutional state.”
“Dignity” is the first resort of a scoundrel. The purpose of a constitution is to protect human life and the rights that derive from it. There is no such thing as “dignity” in a legal or constitutional context. And if you don’t believe me, just ask one of these weasels to define it. They can’t, because they’re trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
Also, Friedrich’s comment (previously noted): “We have succeeded in refuting xenophobic theories, and as a result there is no room for such parties in Germany.”
What about the communists, who murdered thousands when they controlled the eastern half of Germany, and many other nations. Is there room for such a party of mass murder in Germany? And if so, why? How can you pretend to protect “human dignity” but don’t protect actual human lives?
Double-talkers like Friedrich are beneath contempt. FAIL.
Jason Kenney, however, gets full credit for speaking truth to power.
I miss the days when Amnesty International used to be against war crimes. As I recall, its former “secretary-general” Irene Khan was tagged a communist. Therefore, a change in the attitude of the organization so as not to disturb past or future dictatorships would hardly be implausible.
I place men like Freidrich in the same category as all of the ex Wehrmacht generals who ended up as East German Communist generals after the war..their ideology merely a moving target: to be changed, shaped and adapted by whomever has the best package to offer.
There’s room for the right and ultra right in Germany because it is already there..it is just waiting for the right opportunity to appear and will no doubt be led and followed by many of those with whom Friedrich associates with.
He is only talking to hear himself speak.
Alex, your argument would have made more sense if you were not confusing the motto of the German Wehrmacht with that of the SS.The buckle you are thinking of states ‘Gott Mit Uns’ literally God is with us, while the SS buckle carries the motto of the SS ‘ Meine Ehre Ist Treue’ or ‘my honour is loyalty’.
There is lot’s of evidence to support christianity as apposed to what you say the others witch are man made religions.
I appreaciate your lack of faith and although your right i really am not equiped historically to debate you about christianity as i learn i will gladly inform you of what i learn .
But alex it still does not defuse your outward and open distain for christians and jesus . you have neevr opened your heart to christ or surrounded yourself with real christians like theives , and cheat’s and adulturers divorcees , those are people you find in churches and yes some people fortunate enough to never have had a rough time in there lives as well but we are all sinners even you alex and you can deny it if you want but god wrote the law on your heart and you are aware of what is wrong and what is right weather you follow that is up to you.
Thank you and i hope you will realize what christ has done for you and come to know him personally .
And i was an atheist beleive me .
Sushi, why do you ask questions when you’re just going to ignore the answers?
Oh, that’s right … ‘cos you’re a troll. Go away.
@Kursk:
Yes, you’re right, I got my fanatics mixed up. Thanks for the correction!
@Paul:
All religions are man-made. If you honestly believe that there is any more evidence to support christianity than there is to support islam or hinduism, you’re simply ignorant. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but there’s no other way to say it. And I swear if you start telling me that an empty cave is evidence that jesus was devine, I’m walking away. Some twit already tried that earlier.
As for these bits:
“But alex it still does not defuse your outward and open distain for christians and jesus”
Jesus – if he existed at all – was a commie cult leader who taught his followers to abandon their families and their worldly goods and follow him, because the world was about to end. How could I not have disdain for him? Or for the believers who continue to swallow iron-age bulls**t at a time when we’re splitting the atom and walking on the moon?
See, this is why I don’t believe you were ever an atheist. Stop lying, ok? If you had been an atheist – even a poorly informed, ignorant atheist – you would, at the very least be familiar with why christianity is so contemptible. You wouldn’t need to ask those questions.
Has this thread turned into an Alex dominated thread?
Kursk @ 2:58 am, exactly.
Well alex i think iti s o.k. for you to have a disagreement with me or christians in general and say what ever you like but why do you make us out to be so bad when if it was not for christianity there would be so much more hunger and strife and pain and suffering in this world .
Alex can you break down the make up of jail inmates in the west based on practicing religious groups ie. muslims,athiest’s,christians, jew’s, buddist’s,sieks, and hindhu’s and scientologist?
And you say i was never an athiest …lol. your funny , i like how you tell me what i am and am not . I was an athiest until i was 28 years old . I am now 32 turning 33 this month .
I see now where you get your athieistic rhetoric from as well christopher hitchens and darwin , but you really like hitchens you even speak how he does. He has molded you well …yes yes i know a book has molded me well to i get it chris….. i mean alex.
I will still pray for you i will not give up on you say what you want about jesus and god but he has not and never has left you don’t ever forget that and he will be with you for you till you die.
Peace and god bless.
No, Paul, you really don’t get it. It’s irrelevant. We can continue this discussion once you abandon your “I was an atheist” lie. Until then, I’ll sacrifice many goats for you. Just know that Lord Cthulhu has never left you. Don’t forget that. He’ll be there to judge you when you die. I hope you repent before it’s too late. Peace, and may the Noodly One embrace you with his Many Appendages.
Ok. christopher!!!
I am flattered that you don’t beleive that i was an athiest i really have changed thank you lord.