The Children Are Our Future

The TDSB is living in a fantasy land...

Kate will no doubt be delighted that the government recently managed to sell AECL to SNC-Lavalin for the bargain basement or should I say 'fallout shelter' price of $15 million.

Cheer up the real sun is currently shining!!

Cheers

Hans Rupprecht, C in C

1st St. Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

The threat of terrorism penetrates deepest into a the lowest political levels of a fearful society.

The leadership at the lower levels are almost without exception the least capable. The Peter Principle is normally most evident when the political entity is led around by a politically correct staff who is covering their back sides.

Not only are the miscreants, political and staff, concerned for their own employment they truly become fearful some fearmongering group will seek them to cause harm.

As succinctly said in the BCF comments "the cowards". I say shame to them. Go hide in some quiet little corner and let grown ups clean up this mess your fear has created. Not so cheerful

Let's hope that one of these kids is 'offended'...in the officially offended way, of course.

Can't wait for the HRCs et al to spring into action and rid the TDSB of this pestilence.

Allah snackbar?

Using taxdollars to turn a cafeteria into a Mosque is not acceptable, they should lose their educational funding next year. School is one of the few places children being raised by religious fundimentals can let their hair down and be themselves, I wonder how many of those kids want to pray and how many little girls are forced to pray?

We are stupid cowards.

why would anyone be surprized? Many years ago some dimwit judge OK'k the wearing of sikh turbins in the police force. These turbins ar both religious symbols and denote "cast" position on the cultural ladder. Remove ALL religion from ALL gov't and public institutions that are supported by tax$$$$$. Religion is a personal thing and should be exercised as such!!!

Rest assured, had someone mentioned Christmas, everyone would have hit the roof.

Mark Steyn is right. We won't defend our own values- or lack of them- and something else fills the void.

You can just imagine the liberal rage if ...
Oh, never mind.

Is this one of the schools where you can't say Merry Christmas and have Multi-Faceted Holiday pageants that are non secular?

Be afraid be very afraid.

A serious question: at what point, after what outrage, does our civil war begin?

What will be the final outrage that lets the genie out of the bottle and shatters once and for all the illusion of multiculturalism?

Kursk

I suspect it will be one of those Black Swan events, some seemingly inconsequential or insignificant straw that breaks the proverbial camels back.

I predict the "experts" will be astounded, many other folks...not so much.

I've told you 2 years ago that muslim prayers were held at one of the Brampton middle schools, but it was non-news.

Rip what you saw.

At some point, a future conservative leader has to dare to re-open the constitution. Not now, as we are still doing baby steps and they need to cut costs first; he should do a lot in the next economic statement! There a number of key issues to be resolved.

The most important change required is a clarification fix to the the terrible decision of Singh v. The Min EI. Charter rights should not extend to claimants in the way this judgment was interpreted. This jugdment has tied out refugee and immigration system in knots and produced costly and egregious changes to a system that used to work, kept us safe and did not scare our neighbours.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singh_v._Minister_of_Employment_and_Immigration

Secondly, let's re-think having Charter rights in the Constitution? It has not helped anything at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It has cost us a fortune for almost no benefits!

Thirdly, multi-cult as a model has to be "down-sixed"; otherwise we will eventually destroy Canada.

Our immigrants love Canada because of who we are, thus it is THEY who must adjust. It is fun to go to cultural celebrations, but frankly, if you want your kids to fit in to Canada, YOU have to modify YOUR 7th Century religious rules, or choose to live elsewhere.

Trudeau was no visionary, as he eventually ruined Canada, and everyone in Western Canada sort-of knew it. Canadians are rapidly running out of tolerance. I want my Christmas back and, of course, boycott cards that say "Happy Holiday".

We have British and French institutional traditions (which are largely based on judeo-christian theocracies and changed centuries ago towards a secular separation of church and state). Our system works! Some other theocratic systems are simply not compatible with our core values and do not work here.

Halah is not MANDATORY under Islam and Canada has the right to tell people when school days are! This has to be nixed at the knees!

God Save the Queen and a firm welcome to the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. We need these people! and we need the constitutional link to the safety of our nation!

With a rip-saw?

If you don't coddle and accommodate Islam then Muslims are sad, some get mad and act bad. Best make them glad. Appeasement is easier then confrontation.

Allah snackbar!
Ha!

Civil war?
When the Muslims feel they have sufficiant numbers.

The illusion of multiculturalism?
Muslims have no such illusion.

So let's all sit around and wait for them to start killing us in a "sustainable manner."

Just so the muslims the door.

that's show not so

Wrote Lorrie Goldstein at the Toronto Sun on this and he wrote me back that they were looking into this. If what BCR has found out turns out to be true as she states it could be major issue for McGuinty as this is what destroyed John Tory's election bid last time.

People that I spoke to in canvassing for Tory were incensed that the province would fund muslims and our future terrorists as we have seen happen in the UK.

Offhand comments:

There are several issues involved here.

The primary one seems to me to be the hypocrisy of eliminating prayers for other students while enabling Muslim students to perform theirs. It should be all-or-none.

I agree with the tactic that Christian students should wear their crosses prominently, not to counteract the Muslim prayers but just to show that we all play by the same rules. If anyone objects, expose the hypocrisy with full force.

(I am an atheist, of course)

On the other hand, I think that Muslim students have the right to their prayers, and that the faithful should not have to pay twice for public schools and their own schools (similar to the problem with many in the Jewish and other religious communities).

Broadly speaking, I agree with John Tory's 2007 election stand on religious or non-public school funding (I would include non-religious schools too). Ideally, every parent would be responsible for his own kids' education. We should be looking at a voucher system for the time being. Then Muslim students could have their own schools, and so could everybody else. You might have to inspect them on occasion, but on principle parents are primarily responsible. A pox on the "socialization" aspect; it's a red herring.

As for the 1985 Singh ruling, all it really said was that rights (Charter or otherwise) apply to anyone on Canadian soil. It's idealistic but defensible. As far as I can tell it was the politicians who screwed things up by implementing numerous and ridiculous layers of immigration appeal, not so much the Supreme Court (and I'm no fan of judge Bertha Wilson, who wrote the ruling).

Plus the Charter is a mess that needs a couple of dozen fixes at least. If it were a building, it would have been condemned as uninhabitable long ago. These days, it's making Canada uninhabitable.

nv53

Offhand responses:

All, none or vouchers?

Sending our children out to fight our battles by proxy doesn't sit well with me.

Of course.

Inspect them for what?

I'll google that.

What do you believe is the first priority in "fixing" the charter?

nv53

I googled the Singh ruling...sounds a lot like the Clinton defense.

Let us not be cowards.

It's a PUBLIC school for fcuks sakes!

Write them, phone them.

ValleyPark@tdsb.on.ca
416 396 2465

flaunagirl

It's never too late to fight back...but fight we must.

Yo, salami and bacon, my brothers!

This is shirley illegal. Homeschool if you can.

Black Mamba

Shirley is a bitch, but I digress. The latest leftard fad, as you probably already know is "unschooling".

So it seems to me that there are three paths.

Status quo, educationally speaking.

Keep em at home and oversee the work.

Change their diapers until their old enough to tell you what else to do.

I might add that I'm not a big fan of the way it is or shitty diapers.

Seems like a good time for a musical interlude...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0s4g1Yh5vw&feature=related

Closing time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUtPHJHe8es

Besides fighting these stupid dhimmi practices, I feel that bacon is the answer. Lots of it. Until this ends, smear the shoes of Christian and all non-Islamic children with bacon every morning and send them off to school. Let the Mohammedans pray face down in it come Friday or go elsewhere and pay for their own place to bow down to Allah.

Yes, freedom, at the rest of society’s expense, in our public schools, for Muslims and homosexuals (and French Canadians who have been allowed to keep religious schools—not that they like them!—all their symbols, and their system of law)—but not for the rest of us, especially if we should be from the founding culture of the ROC—a Judeo-Christian, constitutional monarchy.

Muslims and homosexuals: who has the upper hand? An anecdote from a friend, who teaches in a large urban area: one school, in a well-heeled part of the city has large, pro-homosexual posters—courtesy of the union—with the rainbow triangle, in every classroom from kindergarten up. Another school, full of Muslim students, where there are many gay and pro-gay teachers, has the same image, but on tiny, postage stamp size stickers: if on display at all, these are tucked away in corners.

How come we’re just hearing about the outrage at Valley Park Middle School now? I’ll tell you: our large, public boards are run by the most despicable—and all other 27 words in the Thesaurus, including, “dirty, rotten, low down”!—bureaucrats imaginable. These generally unintelligent to downright stupid sycophants and toadies pull down salaries, ranging from $100 000 to close to $200 000 for the really higher ups—who are the worst of the bunch. (One doesn’t climb the ladder unless one sells one’s soul—that is, IF one had a soul to begin with.)

“Gulag” is a good word for our public boards: political correctness is the religion and anyone who doesn’t march, in lock step, to the beat of the boss drummer, is in for a very rough time: there are many ways for administrators to punish independent-minded teachers. Like sheep in fear of the wolf, teachers keep their eyes open and their mouths shut (on top of being worked half to death and given no support). Of course, the brainwashed and least principled teachers think the PC system is A-OK. One doesn’t share subversive, non-PC ideas with another teacher, unless one is altogether sure s/he’s on-side—and even then, it’s often a good idea to say as little as possible. (Then one closes one’s classroom door and treads carefully around the most egregious impositions of the board.) If any teacher “outed” this school, s/he’d be terrified of being traced: re-education would only be one of the sanctions.

I see that it’s a brave parent who informed the wider community about this unacceptable situation. Be assured that the board and school administration will do all they can to stonewall and belittle this brave parent: the boards’ “Behaviour Codes”, full of “Be courteous and respectful” blather, most certainly don’t apply to the “high priests of political correctness”, who are running our public school systems into the ground.

I hope that Sun News makes mince meat of the TDSB—and that they go after our spineless politicians too. They’re the ones who can really make the kind of changes that are necessary.

Kyrie eleison.

I escaped Toronto 9.5 years ago for many reasons - one of which was to leave the dreadful school system. The only white Christian children at my daughter's school (she was in Grade 6) were the ones in French Immersion. The rest were from the Middle East - all the mothers were in Chadors/Burkhas and totally submissive to the men. Not a role model I wanted for my daughter. Alberta has one of the best school systems in the world - other countries and various states from the US have been here to check out the program. My daughter was also able to get into the International Baccalaureate program - which friends back in Ontario had NEVER heard of - it has been around since 1980! She will be entering 3rd year Computer Science at UBC this fall. I credit her natural intelligence which was encouraged in Alberta. End of Proud Mama rant!

P.S. What’s happened in our public schools—a complete inversion of rights versus responsibilities—has everything to do with the Charter. The adults used to be in charge. However, when the activist, lefty judges started to interpret the Charter, to “empower the less powerful”—isn’t that what the Liberals said they wanted?—the spineless idiots in the Ministry and boards jumped on the bandwagon. Yes, they have continued to spout the language of responsibility—but it’s rights that trump responsibility all the time.

After the Charter, students and parents, especially those in certain groups, have been able to pretty well do what they want, especially if they’re militant about it. Teachers now have all the responsibility—which includes being ever so sensitive to student’/parents’ rights—minus their own right to dignity and freedom of expression. The unions? Full of the worst lefties one could have the misfortune to meet: they’re useless as far as protecting the integrity and authority of teachers, which is being tsunamied away. There are probably many teachers who are appalled by the Valley Park situation. As there is no protocol for a principled objection, that includes any protection for teachers, they remain silent. It’s truly a gulag situation.

Actually this is THE case that could bring down the HRCs. If someone complains to them about this and it gets to tribunal and some imam goes on air about how they are being prosecuted by the HRC the public outrage would be huge.

What a "distinct society" that crazy old city of Toronastan is.

Time for a separatist vote.

All in favour of the Rest of Canada voting to separate/expel Toronto from Canada, raise your hands.

All right then.

It's unanimous.

The country of Toronto can do whatever it pleases and leave the rest of us alone. PLEASE.

Let it be said, let it be done.

This is allowed in PUBLIC schools after the damnation of John Tory for even mentioning funding for religious schools in Ontario? It's up to the parents of that board to take action or it will get entrenched. If only boys of islamic faith are having prayers with Imams, are they not also discriminating gender wise as well by not allowing islamic girls the same privilege?

Why the hell is this necessary on school time in the first place when it has nothing to do with curriculum?

Guess we shouldn't be surprised at anything coming out of Toronto, where they have their knickers in knots because Mayor Ford is not riding in the Gay Pride spectacle, er, parade.

Liz J, I'm often reminded to be grateful that my son is no longer in school. If he were still in school, he sure would not be attending a public school. An official in our local public school system made an odd statement to a group of students chosen by their 'science' project entries to attend a special event where a 'commitment circle' was included. She said that the chosen students are the ones who will 'change the world.' The global agenda is, as they say, 'moving forward.'

Yeah, are any of the lefties in Toronto making a fuss that no imams are marching in the parade or riding on a float?

I guess the imams' idea of having a gibbet on their float, with some gay guy hanging high, didn't make the “diversity and inclusion” standard of these cry baby hypocrites.

The homosexual community in Toronto should be at the front of the line of the critics of the TDSB for its—NOT astonishing—bald faced repudiation of its own rubrics, which attest that all religions are equal. Of course, that’s utter rubbish. But if the TDSB, in the typical leftie fashion of simultaneously holding contradictory ideas in mind, is going to pretend this verifiable falsehood is true, there should be no bending of the rules for Islam, which, irony of ironies—dour lefties at public boards of education don’t know the meaning of the word—is against all of the board’s touchy-feely, left-wing, feminist, pro-gay, “progressive” agenda.

The idiocy of the lefties knows no bounds—and they’re oblivious: I guess they won’t bother to face reality until the Muslims’ use of lawfare, to subdue the rest of us, gains the upper hand, and female teachers are either banned altogether or forced to wear hijabs or burqas. Gay teachers? Off with their heads! By then, it will be too late—and the lefties excoriate folks like us who are trying to raise the alarm. What absolute idiots they are!

Well, I’ve just perused the social section of the National Post: Nuit Blanche in Toronto was featured. What knuckleheads: one event was the $2 500.00 a ticket at the Rosedale (one of Toronto’s most upscale residential areas) White Knight Gala, in order for the activist group, Egale—Equality for Gays and Lesbians Everywhere—to raise funds for: wait for it—“Egale’s Safe Schools Campaign . . . to combat bullying and homophobia in the schools . . .”

So, aren’t these imbeciles—and not because they’re rich—aware that every dollar put into this effort will be subverted by the onward march of Islam into the very same public education system—and not too many miles away from where the gala took place—that will undermine all their efforts?

The monuMENTAL irony of this politically correct blindness makes up for the self-satisfied posing of these insular robots, who, like the Gadarene swine, are headed, at breakneck speed, right over the cliff! And, if I were to actually get in touch with one of these airheads to tell them what I know about Valley Park School—and shouldn’t they, maybe, be paying attention?—they’d diss me, as a “bigot”, right out of the room. Unlike those of us with eyes to see and ears to hear, they altogether deserve the hard times that are coming.

At one of our local universities, just as the administration was removing the once Catholic chapel to make room for faculty offices and computer labs, a faculty office in another building was turned into a "non-denominational prayer room". Interestingly, the room was hung with curtains to separate men and women and was supplied with a variety of Islamic literature. When this was questioned, a sign was placed on the door that read: "Non-denominational Prayer Room, administered by the XXXX University Muslim Students Association". No one has yet dared to drop by for a couple of decades of the Rosary.

The answer of course is simple: take back the school boards. These things happen because the average voting rate in municipal elections for school boards is about 25%.

Most of you stay home and DON'T VOTE in municipal elections, and don't check out the credentials of the candidates. So, they get elected by not much more than a handful of their friends.

Everyone here who never votes in municipal elections has no right to snivel about this issue. You stayed away on election day, so you got the school board you deserve.

And for those of you ranting on about the Charter. Grow up. These things happen because of lax or insane school boards and dolts for members. Wailing about the Charter is just another way of avoiding your responsibility for the outcome if you didn't vote. Everything is about politics, but only if you participate.

cgh, your comments about the Charter are altogether misplaced. Or perhaps I should say, “Speak for yourself.” Before 1982, pro-life groups, with lawyer, Gwen Landolt, out in front, challenged the Charter vociferously. In 1983, Landolt helped found the traditionalist women’s group, the “disloyal opposition” of the radical feminists, REAL Women of Canada (RW), which has always been treated like Sarah Palin by Canada’s elites. And, guess what, most of RW’s dire Charter forecasts have come to pass. (RW has been involved, on its own dime, in numerous Supreme Court of Canada Charter challenges put forward, at taxpayer expense, by radical feminists and homosexual activists. As their “rights” and those of other, privileged groups have expanded, have you noticed that those of the rest of us have been steadily eroded?)

These pro-life groups warned that the Charter would be used to restrict certain freedoms and expand other, less desirable ones, like abortion on demand. No one in official Canada paid the pro-lifers much attention. Now look where we are. So, as I said, “Speak for yourself.” There WERE watchmen standing on guard to warn of the consequences of the Charter: they knew what kind of a man Trudeau was, but most uninformed Canadians, mesmerized by him the way the Americans have been bamboozled by Obama, gave him and his Liberals carte blanche,

Why you don’t seem willing to let Canadians backtrack, change their minds, and agree that the Charter has been a disaster is a mystery. Opinions aren’t carved in stone. It’s intelligent and reasonable for Canadians to examine the evidence and realize that the Charter has caused huge damage to this country by enshrining political correctness in our laws and regulations. Yes, it would have been better if they’d paid attention to the pro-lifers 30 years ago, but their concern now is a good sign: if activist judges know that Canadians are not happy with their playing fast and loose with our laws, while handing out bogus “rights” left, left, and left—forget right and centre!—our judges will be more likely to handle the Charter with more care. (Maybe we'll decide that judges should be elected . . .) Being aware, exposing the corruption of the rule of law in this country, and demanding its return are good things to do. (Here ends the lesson. And, cgh, perhaps it’s you who needs to grow up—or, at least, be better informed.)

I respect your opinion, Lookout, on matters educational and your description of some of the abuses of the Charter that have occurred may well be accurate, but, cgh is right about the subject at hand: turning a school cafeteria in Toronto into a mosque every Friday. Collectively, meaning almost everyone, not just the followers of this blog, we pay almost no attention to those people who are supposed to represent us on school boards. So, the boards usually are populated by people who represent the system back to us.

BJG, I altogether agree with cgh about municipal voting. People should, indeed, pay more attention.

However, the Charter has EVERYTHING to do with privileging certain groups and allowing them license, while telling the rest of us to go fly a kite. Without the jackboots of the Charter supporting them, the left wing lunatics on school boards and in the boardrooms of our school boards wouldn't believe they could get away with these despicable actions.

It's because of the Charter that we've had a wholesale breakdown of the rule of law across this country. This "Little Mosque in the Cafeteria" is a prime example of that breakdown. Before the Charter, this sort of thing did NOT happen. As I've pointed out, the Charter is regularly used to allow privileged groups to force their agenda on the rest of us: "Freedom for me, but not for thee."

E.g., In Muslim countries, other religions are either not allowed at all or are forced to pay a tax called jizya. Then these people come here and use “lawfare”—our own laws AGAINST US: the Charter is a great help for that—to practise their religion in a way that our indigenous religions are not allowed to.

This legal favouritism is CRAZY. ENOUGH!!

lookout, well said. The Charter should be perforated into 4 inch squares. Trudeau knew exactly what he wanted to accomplish when he brought it forward and had it passed.

Those here that are mentioning the apathy and lack of voter turnout during municipal elections is right. The committed ideologues run for office and then enact their social agenda.

Toronto is a perfect example of what goes wrong.

Ken, we're on the same page on the Charter--and other things too! I appreciate your comment.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/07/canada-hindus-protest-muslim-prayers-at-public-school.html A interesting read.