... the Arizona-based operation was supposed to be a sting, under which the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which is part of the Justice Department, allowed "straw purchasers" to transfer weapons from gun shops in Arizona to Mexican drug cartels to trace and halt crossborder arms-trafficking.That's the official version, anyway -- but it's crumbling, fast.
The ATF's acting director, Kenneth Melson, has been singing like a canary to congressional investigators as he pushes back against administration pressure for him to resign and take the fall for something that, at the very least, had to include the US Attorney's Office, the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Administration and possibly the Homeland Security Department.
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So if the identities of the Mexican criminals were known to the feds, what was the point of Project Gunrunner -- and why is Holder so desperately trying to stonewall by withholding hundreds of documents from Congress?
Law-abiding gun owners and dealers think they already know. With the Obama administration wedded to the fiction that 90 percent of the guns Mexican cartels use originate here -- they don't -- many suspect that "Fast and Furious" was a backdoor attempt to smear domestic gun aficionados as part of its stealth efforts on gun control by executive fiat.
Via Instapundit - read more here.
You cannot completely subjugate and armed nation. Obama and his marionette masters (Soros etc) want nothing less than a totalitarian ruled USA and world. You know ... take it all back the way it was before the Magna Carta. Feudal system works for the Evil Barons of the world.
It is a futile attempt. If you know anything about the traditional American mind, they WILL NOT be disarmed. There will eventually be another civil war in the US and my money is on the traditional American.
Progressives: If you give 'em enough rope, eventually they shoot themselves in the foot.
Or something like that. It's always the cover-up that does it.
As snow and ice r to autobody shops so stories like this r to gunshop owners.
My bets are on "Operation Slow and Contented"...
Y'all come on up the drive real SLOW and enter my house CONtented; lessin' I let ya have it with both barrels.
Maybe these comedians need to get reaquainted with the Second Amendment:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Note to the Obama-Nation(tm) that is the 'security of a FREE state' not an enslaved or indentured one...
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, C in C
1st St. Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"
Does government officials' "malfeasance" cover the scenario?
Analogy in Canada might be Chretien LIBERALS and ADSCAM!
But who is to 'bell' that cat, eh?
Glenn Back, O'Reilly, Laura Ingraham??
The "90% of narco-guns are yankee" idea is pointless anyway. So what if they are. Does anyone think narcos won't acquire guns elsewhere? Chances are good that narcos who manufacture submarines are gonna find guns on their own without Uncle Sam's help.
And Brazil doesn't produce any firearms .. nope. Oh hell it doesn't matter.. China, Russia, Czech or a dozen other nations could be supplying the narcos in 2 seconds. Groups that ship billions worth of narcotics to every corner of the globe won't want for weapons because Obama introduces a new gun restriction.
And ever notice how the same people who preach for drug decriminalization (presumable because restrictions on drugs are ineffective) have no problem calling for gun prohibition?
Knowing they can't get more gun control through Congress, the Community Organizer in Chief is working the back channels, particularly the UN. There's no question that "Fast and Furious" was a ruse to point the finger at the gun dealers. That's the deception. The real avenue is the UN. Only Bachmann or Paul have the cajones to get the US out of that disgrace.
I think the key concern is Obama's predilection for governing by Executive Fiat. Obama is incapable of acknowledging other people having individual power and freedom; he feels psychologically threatened by a free individual.
Obama has shown his contempt for Congress, aka, The People's Will, right from the start. Remember, he wanted Congress to pass His Bills (stimulus, health care) without reading or debate. Just because Obama-wanted-them.
He's shown his Contempt for the people's will constantly: they refused Cap-and-Trade and so Obama ignores this and has the EPA, his unelected committee, carry out the actions anyway.
No Dream Act? Obama orders his unelected ICE team to ignore the rule of law and ignore aliens.
A state tries to deal with aliens...because the federal govt is not carrying out its constitutional duty to do so..and Obama sues the state.
A private company wants to set up shop in a state without unions..and Obama, who relies on Unions for their votes and money..gets them sued.
Obama has no interest in the well-being of America. He was raised anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-white..and he's never thought about these opinions. They are embedded within him.
Add this to his pathological narcissism and his sociopathic need to feel he controls everyone..who must all be lesser beings than him..without power, without money, without freedom...and you've got a New American Dictator.
Obama ignores reality - such as the debt and unemployment and Islamic fascism..and Congress. He lives in a virtual world of words..where his words 'make' reality. So, whatever he says..is 'real'; the hard factual data outside this semantic bubble is never allowed to penetrate Obama's World.
Obama's agenda is always about Himself; he's not a president of a nation. He's focused only on re-election. After all, he's never stopped campaigning; that's all he's capable of..pontificating sophistry from the podium.
So, Obama is discrediting those who want the debt dealt with, discrediting those who want the borders secured, ..and now, trying to define Americans as part of the problem of the Mexican drug cartels...ignoring his refusal to police the borders, ignoring his refusal to deal with aliens...all because he wants the hispanic vote.
I think this speaks for itself:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/over-a-barrel-meet-white-house-gun-policy-adviser-steve-croley/2011/04/04/AFt9EKND_story_2.html
"On March 30, the 30th anniversary of the assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan, Jim Brady, who sustained a debilitating head wound in the attack, and his wife, Sarah, came to Capitol Hill to push for a ban on the controversial “large magazines.” Brady, for whom the law requiring background checks on handgun purchasers is named, then met with White House press secretary Jay Carney. During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.
“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”
In the meeting, she said, Obama discussed how records get into the system and what can be done about firearms retailers. Her husband specifically brought up the proposed ban on large magazine clips, and she noted that even former vice president Dick Cheney had suggested that some restrictions on the clips might make sense.
“He just laughed,” Sarah Brady said approvingly of the president. Both she and her husband, she emphasized, had absolute confidence that the president was committed to regulation. "
Jeepers I wish I had thought to place this emerging story before it hit MSM in reader tips waaay back in February, March and April. :O)
Operation: Gun walker
I've been following this on the internet for a while now and am glad to see that it is spreading. The MSM will have to cover it eventually and that is when the fun starts. In the meantime watch all the leftoid head implosions as they begin to realize that the only thing seperating them from a "Warsaw Ghetto" re-play will be the Tea Party.
I think these issues of judicial misconduct MUST be addressed by abolishing Self Regulating Agencies. The Practice of Law must be subject to a Grand Jury (Like) group of ordinary Citizens that reviews the post-mortem conduct of officers of the Courts...
The Florida Murder Case of Casey Anthony is the most recent case that has serious issues that go further (IMHO) than just bad faith conduct on the part of officers of the Court. Ask your self this question: Why was it important that the Meter Reader be impeached by the Prosecution…Was it the fact of what he visually saw in Aug and December was a human scull?
The ATFE , FBI, etc are suspected of a criminal act that resulted in the Murder of American Citizens...These Agencies are part of the Administration & they can't investigate themselves.. A special Prosecutor MUST be appointed by Congress...
JMHO
I am also glad to see this issue getting a bit of profile -- though not much yet from MSM. While I have no doubt that Obama & Co. have a disarmament agenda, I do not see the Gun walker thing as being related. As a "sting" operation it is not at all clear what they were after -- you don't prove illegal gun trade by trading them yourself.
I think this is about corrupt officials (along with corrupt politicians)selling illegal guns to the Mexican cartels -- pure and simple. This is a corrupt regime and a story regarding the US government supplying nearly 2000 weapons to criminals such that hundreds of innocent Mexicans were subsequently killed is I think the scandal of the decade. This story needs to be broadcast far and wide.
Even if this were a legitimate law enforcement sting operation, why 2500 guns? This doesn't pass the laugh test.
Everyone connected with this is an accessory to murder. Try them here, extradite, and try them in Mexico.
Start with the Attorney General. Then ask Mexico to forgive this act of war.
*UNDER THE RADAR*
great campaign material
Obozo works under the radar!!!!
Even if this were a legitimate law enforcement sting operation, why 2500 guns? This doesn't pass the laugh test.
Posted by: MarkD at July 7, 2011 2:44 PM
My sentiments precisely. I may be missing something, but what could they possibly wanting to accomplish by letting so many weapons fall into the hands of Mexican narco thugs. It doesn't make sense. More specifically, it doesn't make sense if one only thinks there were legitimate aims of the operation (whatever those might be).
I have a feeling this thing is going to bring down a few political careers.
Colin in Mission, BC -
The only agenda radicals know is to acquire, and then maintain authoritarian power, a dictatorship.
The goal of F & F was the destruction of a political enemy of this agenda - the NRA: law-abiding gun owners.
The media, Hollywood and the bankers in New York are just one big crime syndicate. Come on folks. Drugs is a billion dollar a year industry. You think Jose in Mexico is going to scoop all the profits?
My biggest question in all this is why has the Mexican government has been so silent about the affair? Even in the rarefied air of the UN hallways, the notion of one government shipping arms across the border to criminals in a neighbouring country might - just might - be viewed as an unfriendly act.
Think of the leverage this gives the Mexicans on Obama's hapless government: Pay us enough and we'll shut up!
And Mexico HAS been rather silent about this affair.
so the cops are willing to sell out in order to have job security.
just like whatsisname director of the CIA when dubya needed someone to back up the LIE about WMDs.
welcome to the 17th thru 21st centuries.
Apparently the sting was paid for via Obama's stimulus funding, Weazle Zippers has the latest update.
The MSM will try to bury this as deep as they can. Look what they did with the story of the Islamist officer who killed all those folks at the Army base.
I agree this is an ugly inditment if not scam for political advantage against Gun owning Americans, but who will care but said gun owners? The left will pull out all the stops to defend their messiah, & his cronies.
The MSM's job is to hide bad news about liberals, not spread it.
Don't mess with us "bitter clingers"...
Doesn't this mean that the ATF is officially the biggest gun suppplier to Mexican drug gangs?
OMMAG
Consider that AK's popped into Marxist/Communist Revolutionaries hands courtesy of Mother Russia.
Same game different players. Just the twist is that guns go into hands so that guns can be confiscated from other hands...
Like Mao said "Power comes from the barrel of a gun", and other notable gun quotes from Communist sleazes...
Heh. They don't even address the BEST part:
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/breaking-news-source-claims-atf-s-tampa-sac-walked-guns-to-honduras?CID=examiner_alerts_article
It ain't just Phoenix, and it ain't just Fast and Furious. FedPig was doing the same thing in Tampa, with close cooperation from the local pigs. Of course, they have NOT sent any of that info to Congressman Issa and Senator Grassley because, well, they only asked for info on Fast and Furious. And the BATFE "Law Enforcement" officers, as well as the local "Law Enforcement" officers in on the Tampa operation did not have as much honor as those in Phoenix.
The only good pig...
FredR: "Pay us enough and we'll shut up!" Maybe there's your answer. This fiasco does not make sense. If you are tracking U.S. gun sellers involved in providing weapons to Mexican cartels, then you only need people on the "buying" end to smoke them out -- no need to actually physically transfer the weapons to Mexico. I also wonder about the numbers. Clearly this was providing weapons to criminals in order to cash in on their profits. The media is clearly asleep on this one. I wonder why.
It all makes sense if your intent is to SHOW that US guns are overwhelming Mexico, and that we need to pass new gun laws to protect them.
The stench is overwhelming. And it smells like pig.
Mark Matis "It all makes sense if your intent is to SHOW that US guns are overwhelming Mexico," -- but you do not show this at all if all the guns are the ones the government purchased and smuggled in. I just think they are criminals -- in bed with the cartels.
For LindaL:
Of course you're right. It can't possibly have anything to do with Obama telling the Brady crowd and their fellow-travelers that "Gun control is on the way. You just have to work this under the radar."
Remember this : Ramos-Compean affair .... ?
LindaL said: "If you are tracking U.S. gun sellers involved in providing weapons to Mexican cartels, then you only need people on the "buying" end to smoke them out..."
Linda, gun retailers were selling to people they -knew- were illegal Mexican nationals on the specific orders of the BATF. Sometimes with an ATF weenie right inside the store when the sale went down.
Retailers have been -very- upset about this the whole time its been going on. I've been hearing dark hints of evil deeds in gun store BS sessions for two years. When the guy behind the counter starts in telling me, Mr. Perfect Stranger dude that "some serious sh1t is coming down" on the feds, and that he personally knows the Border Patrol has been getting orders to ignore certain things, lets say I was not amazed when Gunwalker broke. Disgusted, but not amazed.
This was never about catching illegal gun sellers. This was always about getting US guns into Mexico by smuggling, probably to use the resulting carnage and "evidence" in a new gun control push for the 2012 election.
I wonder where they planned to put the concentration camps?
LindaL said: "If you are tracking U.S. gun sellers involved in providing weapons to Mexican cartels, then you only need people on the "buying" end to smoke them out..."
Linda, gun retailers were selling to people they -knew- were illegal Mexican nationals on the specific orders of the BATF. Sometimes with an ATF weenie right inside the store when the sale went down.
Retailers I talked to have been -very- upset about this the whole time its been going on. I've been hearing dark hints of evil deeds in gun store BS sessions for two years. When the guy behind the counter starts in telling me, Mr. Perfect Stranger From Canada dude, that some serious schlitz is coming down on the feds Real Soon, and that he personally knows the Border Patrol has been getting orders to ignore certain things and certain people, lets say I was not amazed when Gunwalker broke. Disgusted, but not amazed.
This was never about catching illegal gun sellers. This was always about getting US guns into Mexico by smuggling, probably to use the resulting carnage and "evidence" in a new gun control push for the 2012 election.
I wonder where they planned to put the concentration camps?
oops.
I accept that the Obama folks are looking to disarm Americans. I just don't think the Gun Runner thing makes sense as a way to do it -- even politically. How many Americans are going to buy into gun control because it might benefit the Mexicans? Better, some nasty episodes in the States -- or, who needs evidence, you can just lie about the Mexicans getting killed with American guns if you think that would convince people. This scam does not convince anyone of anything -- and not just because it seems to have gone amiss. It is pointless -- unless the government agencies were themselves benefiting from running guns into Mexico. That's what I think. I think Obama and his Chicago friends are working hand in glove with the Mexican gangs.
It would have been difficult for "O's" administration to introduce gun control in the next election when the FBI's own statistics show that the introduction of conceal carry permits has lowered the incidence of violent crime in the United States. Kinda blows the liberal theory out of the water!!!!
LindaL, here you go...the penny has dropped:
Democrat: Controversial ATF program shows need for tougher gun laws
"Washington (CNN) -- A controversial program by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that tried to track illegal weapons sales shows the need for tougher gun laws, according to a report issued Thursday by a House Democrat.
Entitled "Outgunned," the report released by Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Maryland, quoted law enforcement officers on how lax or nonexistent laws and regulations on so-called "straw" purchases of illegal weapons, firearms trafficking and monitoring of the sales of assault rifles and other long guns contributed to the thriving trafficking of illegal weapons to Mexico."
(read more)
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/30/us.fast.and.furious/index.html
Edward Teach -- Yes, and check out the comments. No one is buying the idea that Fast and Furious proves the need for gun control. As an attempt to convince people that there is a need to better control arms, this effort is seriously off the mark. Well, maybe these people are colossally stupid, but I think it's a cover-up for their own involvement in an illegal operation, and Elijah Cummings is in on the scam. If they can divert attention to people being incensed about the gun control issue, they might wiggle out of public anger over their own criminal operations.
C'mon Linda...this is classic "problem, reaction, solution" stuff. They didn't plan on getting caught. Had the details of this operation not been uncovered thanks to the decency of some fed agents, these US-made guns would turn up as murder weapons IN THE US, thereby giving the government the public support it needs to shut as many down gun dealers as it can.
Did someone in the US government profit off these deals? Definitely. Does the US do business with drug cartels? Definitely - but all of that is already accomplished under the radar with or without OFAF. All they've done in this case is use their existing relationship with the cartels to attempt to change gun policy here in the US.
There can be no doubt that this Op was meant to bolster public support for disarming more Americans. This is how the game is played, the US government is taking it's cues directly from the pages of history. You have to stop trying to convince yourself that the US government is any different than any other superpower throughout history. It's not. The only difference is that those who now run the show have the benefit of thousands of years of knowledge on their side - that's why they have you convinced that this can't be anything but the case of a few bad apples...when in reality the whole fucking orchard was poisoned long ago.