Charles Adler on Anders Behring Breivik

Rex Murphy has a fairly good take on the CBC: the Norwegian Slaughterer is all about ego and evil.

I try to avoid the CBC but Rex can sometimes have a very good insight.

private, Rex has a column, also, on The National Post.

Well said, Charles Adler!

ABB played with violent videos and the World of Warcraft, immersing himself in an alternate reality without the usual consequences of actions.

Despite his claims, Breivik was not a Christian. However,his political views certainly played a role and they are similar to many right wing anti-Muslim self proclaimed Christians in North America. It must be very uncomfortable for the majority of sda regulars to realize that their political and moral views are so similar to Breivik's.

No, actually it isn't, because we don't envisage that random killings of dozens of people will somehow bring about the end of cultural Marxism as Breivik seems to think it might.

So the discomfort is more to do with the realization that unscrupulous people in government and the left-liberal political movements will use this to argue for further harassment of conservatives posting on the internet. Like we needed any more oversight from people who really don't have much of a clue but pretend they know everything, like how their bizarre multicultural and immigration policies will actually end up.

Breivik was right to be concerned about the trends in western society, but he came up with all the wrong solutions. This is what happens when you live inside your own head 24/7 and don't talk to other people on a regular basis, although I see that doesn't help the left very much.

We need to be very vigilant now, the enemies of conservatism (which I perceive to be enemies of liberty and freedom) have drawn an ace on the turn, so to speak, so our pair of kings needs a little help on the river. But since the globalists are trying to make 6-6-6, we should not be that worried about it.

Stay thirsty, my friends.

"Stay thirsty, my friends."

LOL. Brilliant commercial!

The day the governments of Norway or any other western nation truly believe conservative Christians are a real existential terrorist threat is the day they start deferring to us the way they defer to Muslims.

Until that day arrives, people like bak are full of Shiite.

Yep "bak", them thar fundi Christians are just waiting with baited breath to 'whack' all the non believers.

That is quite the leap of equivalence:

"It must be very uncomfortable for the majority of sda regulars to realize that their political and moral views are so similar to Breivik's."

Run along now go back to your cave...so you can club someone with inane stupid statements.

BTW we can still 'shoot straight', but that doesn't translate into casually hunting humans for sport or political motivation.

Equating Breivik's homicidal insanity with SDA political posting isn't even in the same ballpark; still less the same league.

Please enlighten us all on the similarities "to many right wing anti-Muslim self proclaimed Christians in North America". Where might we find your published works detailing the studies into the political opinions of homicidal Christians.
Surely, there is some criminology journal which you can all refer us to...

Oh yeah, all those god forsaken Christians are eaters of human flesh and drinkers of blood. Please come back with something better than Diocletian's second century slagging of Christians. Maybe some SDA readers may take your blathering more seriously.

Breivik was simply a jumped up loon who went over the edge; which has nothing to do with SDA posters or Christians for that matter.

If you need a 1500 page manifesto to detail why you need put a bullet into 76 craniums maybe you need to examine your own cranium.

Lastly, your gargantuan error is to suggest that AMORAL people like Breivik have morals. The simple fact is that amoral people don't have a conscience; this is what allows them to casually 'off' 76 people.

Suggesting SDA posters are in the same class is just a falacious smear with a 'drive by shooting' tactic. No one with any sense would take your drivel seriously.

Cheers

Hans Rupprecht, C in C

1st St. Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

It must be very uncomfortable for the majority of sda regulars to realize that their political and moral views are so similar to Breivik's.
My views on islamic integration are similar to this scum. So what?
Your attempt to link a mass murderer that believes Islam is evil to others that believe the same is simplistic,at best.
More likely,you have been taught to react when triggers are pulled.
I'm not talking about triggers on guns that actually kill,like the ones that slaughtered the children,or the ones that could have stopped him earlier.
No,I mean the triggers in your mind. The ones that go off when gay marriage is discussed. The ones that are pulled when islam is mentioned. The ones that are squeezed when starving Africa is brought up. The one that causes a spasmodic twitch whenever you hear the word,Israel.

Do you sleep well at night knowing that you insulted people who have a different opinion?

Does a smile cross your face,knowing that women are being abused because you have done your duty to protect an idealogy that is grossly inferior to the one that you were raised in? Do you sleep sounder knowing that a man is raping a child,and you have stood up for him? Do you dream that your gay friends,if you have any,applaud your decision to strike out at those who think hanging queer people is unacceptable?

Fools like you,prove Pavlov's work.A simple brain can be taught to respond.

Good one wallyj - you proved Pavlov right!!! Grab a towel now!

Does a smile cross your face,knowing that women are being abused because you have done your duty to protect an idealogy that is grossly inferior to the one that you were raised in?
~wallyj

I don't think you should assume that bak wasn't raised under Muslim ideology.
At the very least, bak may have been raised under Leftist ideology and it isn't clear that Leftist ideology is grossly inferior to Muslim ideology.
JMO

Wells said Peter, Hans and wallyj.

Well said Peter, Hans and wallyj.

Sorry for the double post. I should be sleeping, but we are having a little noise in the sky that makes it hard to sleep.

What kind of noise in the sky?

Noise in the sky.Hmmm...

I don't hear anything. Are you using cheap tinfoil,perchance?

Good points all around but, I really like the comments posted by Peter O'Donnell!

Noise in the sky - a.k.a - thunder...sky is very menacing here too this hour.

It must be very uncomfortable for the majority of sda regulars to realize that their political and moral views are so similar to Breivik's.

No, they're not. What a simplistic, and politically opportunistic jab at the people sounding the klaxon at the dangers of Islam. Exactly how many SDA regulars have committed mass murder? Hmm?

Islam which has committed infinitely more terror attacks, and killed many more people, than any white conservative -- no matter how desperately the left wishes it was reversed.

It'd be so nice if the people gleefully relishing mass murder to gain political points against conservatives had put 1/10th the effort into, oh, I don't know, criticizing the on-going Islamitzation of Europe. You know, where Muslim immigrants to Norway rape Norwegian women on the steps of government buildings...and get away with it because the police watched the attack on video and didn't go outside until it was over.

The fact of the matter is this, and I'll type slowly so you can understand: Islam has made no bones about wanting to subject the West to an Islamic caliphate. They are working toward that goal, using our own politically correct nonsense to their advantage.

In the next 30 years, probably not even that long, Europe will be a de facto Muslim continent. There are already places in Europe where native Europeans dare not travel as they are Muslims-only zones.

And I'm telling you when this happens, all the people who are so delighted they *finally* have their "conservative Christian" boogeyman will be in for a RUDE awakening. As in, think of all the stuff the liberals love -- tolerance, diversity, the gay rights movement, feminism, abortion -- and kiss it all goodbye in one sharia-law swoop.

Because THAT is our future.

And the people who are going to suffer most because of it (liberals) are bringing it on themselves.

bak is the byproduct of MSM...The type of "human" being developed in our school system too. Sad.

Note to the Harper gang in Ottawa reading this:

If nothing is done about the CBC within the next four years of you being in power, I will no longer provide a penny to your party...This is starting NOW: Every call I will receive from your fundraising, I will mention: No support until the CBC has been truly dealt with...I might vote CPC if no better alternative is presented but no more contributions and I have been a major monetary supporter so far.

I encourage every one with the same view to do the same...Hit them where it really hurts...Especially now that parties will rely on grass root support more than ever.

Charles Adler has this evil, heinous crime pegged for what it is.

It's beyond sickening to hear "journalists" from the CBC and elsewhere repeatedly throw out "fundamentalist Christian" to describe the evil perpetrator. It's as if they can't contain themselves in their excitement, thinking they've found an equalizer to Islamic extremists.

Of all the things we need to shuck ourselves of, political correctness has to be at the top of the list.

A great dissection by Adler, particularly the disingenuous reporting by CBC.

There are also those among them who'll tell you Hitler was Catholic.

Cross post: Here are some excerpts from Jonathan Kay’s fine article from the National Post yesterday:

[Begin quote]

. . . From the parts of the rambling and disjointed manifesto that I have been able to read thus far, [Breivik’s] bigoted and paranoid worldview seems to have originated — either directly or indirectly — with ‘The Turner Diaries’, a hack science fiction novel written 33 years ago by an American white supremacist named William Luther Pierce.

BUT AS WITH HITLER HIMSELF, PIERCE’S WHITE SUPREMACY HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH ANY SORT OF CHRISTIAN ‘FUNDAMENTALISM’—AND THE SAME IS TRUE OF BREIVIK. While leftist commentators jumped on the initial description of Breivik as a Christian ‘fundamentalist,’ his manifesto declares: ‘I guess I’m not an excessively religious man. I am first and foremost a man of logic.' [sic: Many of the Christians I know and know of are among the most logical of human beings, e.g., the brilliant philosopher, Pope Benedict XVI. I believe ET agrees with me on that.] (Emphasis mine)

The same was true of the fictional Turner [main character in the novel], who is described as someone who ‘has never been religious.’ . . . In fact, his attitude toward Christianity is negative . . .

The idea that right-wing extremists such as Pierce, McVeigh and Breivik are simply the Christian version of Osama bin Laden is entirely wrong, in other words. Islamist terrorists take (misguided) inspiration from their religious texts in the act of slaughter — explicitly linking their motivation to religion. MASS MURDERING TERRORISTS WITH A CHRISTIAN BACKGROUND (and this includes the IRA, incidentally) TYPICALLY DO NO SUCH THING, even if the religious-inspired themes of martyrdom and purification tend to animate their doctrines. Not that this makes mass murder any less hideous or destructive — but it does show it to be a different kind of animal. (Emphasis mine)

[End quote]

Rt. Hon. T. Tory, I agree. If the Conservatives turn a blind eye to the black eye the CBC regularly gives to the Conservatives' loyal supporters, no more money from me either. I've already informed the PM and James Moore, but should do so again re the CBC's recent, despicable, anti-Christian slanders. I find it hard to understand why the Conservatives are treating their worst enemy, which their government funds, with such deference. It's sickening and they'd better quit it!

sooooo when muzzies do it, it's religious.
(check SDA any time since september 11 2001)

but when right wing christians do it, it's the act of a crazy man. NOT.

religion provides something for everyone. that's why it's so popular. the FACT is, the perp can correctly call himself a xian if he so chooses. he'd be right at home during the crusades. some things never change.

Bam Bam

Read every word s-l-o-w-l-y.

Breivik was not a Christian.

I wonder if clowns like Bam Bam are even capable ideologies. Muslim, Christian and Atheist are beliefs chosen belief systems. It so happens that the Norwegian nutbar (Breivik) fits in the Atheist slot not the Christian slot. Atheist like Muslims have little problem with mass slaughter witness Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin etc etc etc. There is nothing in their philosophy that acts as a brake when it comes to killing. To them a human is no different than a blade of grass and as such is expendable in the pursuit of a greater good.

Muslims likewise lack a brake on killing but for a slightly different reason. They are seeking a "greater good" which is the Islamization of the entire world but in their world view anyone who is killed in the struggle towards that goal is a martyr and will be granted instant access to paradise.

Christians have been given the mandate to 'Make disciples' which in itself acts as a brake on killing. Obviously you can't make disciples out of dead people. Then there are all kinds of other injunctions in the Christian faith that preclude killing such as 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you'.

In the great big scheme of things if there is mass murder it is inevitably committed by a Muslim or an Atheist almost never by a practicing Christian.

Bam Bam, here, in his "Manifesto," are Breivik's own words about being Christian -- he wasn't, BTW, except in a generic way: 80% of Norwegians, in this very secular nation, self-identify as "Christian":

"Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I'm not an excessively religious man. I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a monocultural Europe."

"If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God, then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do, however, believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and a moral platform. This makes us Christian [in a general sense]."

'Nice try at attempting to derail a perfectly legitimate and necessary discussion of the issue of creeping jihad here in the West. You may not care if your daughters or granddaughters have to walk around in a full-body burqa, but I do. You may not care that your daughters or granddaughters are treated like second- or third-class citizens, but I do.

Wake up, Bam Bam. The democratic freedoms you eschew might be your own.

Thank you Charles Adler, well said.

to be a christian, one has to be a follower of Jesus Christ.
something many claim to be, but few are.

How people can assume this guy was a christian is beyond me.
he was a nut job plain and simple.

one thing i will say, the bible tells us what to do with someone who commits murder.

A number of years back we did just that, we hung them, and this guy should have his moment in the sky so to speak.

i think by fireing squad would be fitting for this creep. point is get rid of him.
tomorrow morning would work for me!

Liberal media doesn't need a reason to group slander, and that's what it is, Christians they do it because they are hard core leftwing bigots.

Bam Bam...I'm still waiting to hear a report that this nut-job waded into the crowd screaming, "Jesus is Lord!" Then, perhaps, someone can make a claim about this being about Christian ideology and equate him with all the other Christian mass shooters that scream the same thing while unloading on helpless victims...oh, wait....

This "man's" beliefs are incidental to his crazy in much the same way Loughner's are.

Quick bam-bam,

Which lesson of Jesus or commandment was he using to justify his massacre? Was he screaming "Jesus is great!" When he was shooting each of the kids? What congregation and radical preacher was supporting his actions?

We shouldn't have to explain it to you. Keep up.

Bam-bam,

You should also freshen up on your history and read about the causes of the first crusade. It wasn't unprovoked.

Yes Rose the media is full of anti Christian bigots but you skipped the reason why. The media is full of anti-Christian atheistic bigots. They have no problem with Muslims because the Muslim god is not real. The Christian God is real and the microminds that call themselves atheists know that. Therefore they are more likely to attack Christians than Muslims. Oh many of them don't like Muslims because Muslims are seeking to change our society but other than that atheists get along well with their confreres the Muslims.

Bak.....and one wonders about the guilt the secular among must absorb given that this guy has been significantly "influenced by" his "secular surroundings".

"I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person as that would be a lie. I’ve always
been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment." (Page 1344 of his "manifesto")

@ chutzpahticular and wallyj, it was Thor doing his thing with accompanying lighting system. It is happening again this morning.

bam-bam is not interested in a debate, just flinging dung which is in line with its mental capacity. Don't feed the retard.

Fundamentalist Christian?
Really?
What - was he demanding that Churches be built in Saudi Arabia?

Sad to say lefties - the reality is he's a product of a social dream system that's held up as the highest social standards - where "this kind of ugly Americanism" doesn't exist. Meanwhile come to find out during this horrific event, that spree killings at schools are almost higher for Europe than Can and USA. Go figure, half of them I'd not even heard of before.
Or maybe he didn't like his country's ruling political party's views.

Here's one quote:
"In one way, I think it was good that it was not a Muslim terrorist group behind this," she said. It pointed up the complexity of immigration and inter-religious issues for Norwegians, "a small and privileged people," she said.
"We must open our eyes and not simply think that we can keep all this wealth to ourselves."

Well keep doing what you're doing then - but don't expect different results.

Now the police say they did a good enough job and are please with their response, given the circumstances - a terrorist style double attack - fine this is an extraordinary situation; but then to turn around say they are completely satisfied with their efforts and won't look into seeing if there are improvements in their resonce at all? They consider it "blowing it all out of proportion" if questions about the police helicopter's availability and lack of involvement are put forth?

Given the media was filming the actual killings before the police arrived, shows they obviously were lacking in key areas. This stance seems wrong to me. Shows a strange well entrenched arrogance that actually appears as a weak spot to me, perhaps the killer calculated on that as well.
One thing for sure he is a psycho who should never be freed again and or worse, as he will kill again no doubt.

Joe, I take great offense to being called a "micromind". I also take great offense to someone saying the Muslims are my "confreres"...

You don't know me. You've never met me or even spoken to me. You know nothing about who I am, how I behave, what my opinions and beliefs are. Yet you sit there and feel it's ok to call me a "micromind"?

If you don't agree with my atheism, that's fine - I don't believe in your (or anyone's) god. But to call me a micromind and a Muslim confrere just because I don't believe in your god is extremely narrowminded and quite frankly, ignorant.

What about a Hindu or a Buddhist or follower of any other religion? They don't believe in your god either, does this make them all microminds as well? Is it a "you're with us or you're against us" situation with Christianity?

Luckily I believe that the vast majority of Christians are not like you - they are tolerant of other beliefs as long as those beliefs lead to a life well lived. I consider myself a good person... never stolen anything, no criminal record, I stand up for what I believe in, I'm not a violent or jealous or petty man, I work hard and pay my taxes and vote Conservative, I hate socialism and big government, and I've got plenty of friends (of all religious backgrounds) and a family who all love me and consider me a good man, etc.

In short, if you are going to rail away about bigotry towards Christians, you should probably refrain from expressing your own bigotry towards other beliefs.

Bam Bam, this one's for you (from above thread, Oslo: The Christian Response [now don't go crazy with it: read, listen, and learn]):

The Shocking Christian Response to the Oslo Massacre ... taken from Rooters News Agency, London

http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2011/07/shocking-christian-response-to-oslo.html

So Mercules, although you profess to be an atheist, you do follow the basic tenets of Christianity, correct?

This is the same MSM that refuses to use the words "Muslim terrorist", instead saying "terrorist" or "militant". Odd that they have absolutely no compunction about labeling a terrorist "Christian", isn't it?

Frankly it doesn't much matter if Breivik thought he was a "Christian" of some sort, he will have his day of judgement like the rest of us.

It doesn't much matter if the MSM refers to him as a "Christian Fundamentalist" because they play to their base like politicians do. If a person doesn't want to search for the answers, the relative "truth" will find them first.

Bam Bam at 8:54 AM, would you care to support your case by quoting passages from the New Testament which encourage and exhort mass murder by a mad-man. You show me yours and I'll show you a list of the passages from the Koran that Islamists have swallowed, lock, stock and barrel.

The New Testament and the Koran, by the way, are religious texts, sorta like Mao's Little Red Book. I'm sure you remember it.

Joey at 11:10 AM: So Mercules, although you profess to be an atheist, you do follow the basic tenets of Christianity, correct?
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Bingo!! So many who arrogantly declare themselves to be atheists seem totally oblivious to the fact that they were born into and raised in a civilization based on Christian doctrine and morality. It surrounds us. It's everywhere.

T'is to laugh.

"The idea that right-wing extremists such as Pierce, McVeigh and Breivik are simply the Christian version of Osama bin Laden is entirely wrong, in other words. Islamist terrorists take (misguided) inspiration from their religious texts in the act of slaughter — explicitly linking their motivation to religion. MASS MURDERING TERRORISTS WITH A CHRISTIAN BACKGROUND (and this includes the IRA, incidentally) TYPICALLY DO NO SUCH THING, even if the religious-inspired themes of martyrdom and purification tend to animate their doctrines. Not that this makes mass murder any less hideous or destructive — but it does show it to be a different kind of animal." Jonathan Kay via Lookout 8:33 am

The argument that McVeigh's and Breivik's actions do NOT come from the same well-spring of religious zealotry is one that bears
repeating. It won't penetrate because in the media world, everything consists of scenarios involving the black hats and the white hats and those who paint themselves the underdogs (with the assistance of said media) will always be accorded the white hats. The fundamental differences in ideology and motivation will be glossed over.

We are now dealing with folks who seem relieved that someone from the "other side" has performed a dastardly deed. Finally, there is ammunition to prove that there is evil equivalency.

Unfortunately, it will be used to stifle a discussion that badly needs to happen about mass immigration, incomplete assimilation and clash of cultures. From now on, to even the most reasonable concern, there will be the Breivik riposte.

Mercules, some advice. Don't stir up Batb, Joey or Lookout. They lose all of their vaunted logic as they go on the attack of ad hominems, aspersions and personal criticisms of anyone who doesn't fit the mold of their brand of Christianity. Just let it go.

Agreed Louise hence my correct use of the descriptor micromind.

Breivik was not called a Christian "terrorist" in the media; he described himself as a Christian Fundamentalist and therefore that's how the media initially described him.

In any case, I seem to have struck a nerve by pointing out how Breivik's philosophy is shared by so many sda regulars. Interestingly, the response is to act offended and then blame liberal society. What part of "the damn liberal/left wing/socialists, aided and abetted by the media, have ruined our Christian country by allowing those muslims to come here, live on welfare and breed like rabbits" mind set are you denying?

Just because none of you have yet to gun down innocent people in response doesn't change the fact that your rhetoric, which borders on eliminationist, could inspire other Breiviks.

Winston Churchill had a few choice words to say about Islam:

batb

Churchill had a few choice words about Islam as well:

Winston Churchill on Islam

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it [emphasis mine].

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

-- Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 [London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899]).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1592070/posts

bak: "he described himself as a Christian Fundamentalist and therefore that's how the media initially described him."

Not so.

Produce the evidence. All of the evidence that I've seen negate your -- and the MSM's initial -- claims. It appears that his Facebook was altered by someone to indicate his interests were "Christian" and "Conservative," which hardly translates into "fundamentalist Christian."

Do your homework, bak, quack, quack.

Dave....for the record I am not religious. But that said, I don't hate Christianity....in fact, given the society that has grown up around it, I am fond of it.

Bak....Breivik did not describe himself as a "Christian fundamentalist". The police did....the media then continued to repeat the fallacy.

"I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person as that would be a lie. I’ve always
been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment." (Page 1344 of his "manifesto")

Note the reference to him being influenced by his secular surrounds and environment.

Keep grasping at straws, Bak. Just like leftists do in trying to portray McVeigh as a Christian terrorist. And then, of course, there is McVeighs co-conspirator, Terry Nichols who, evidence indicates, attended a meeting in Davao City, in Mindanao in 1992 or 1993 with World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and Al Queda members Abdul Hakim Murad and Wali Khan Amin Shah to discuss the Oklahoma bombing.