A CWB Hail Mary

Hmmm, I wonder if I will also receive a ballot? Looks like the CWB is casting a wide net.

They don't have a Boston College, Doug Flutie and their receivers are fat out of shape never-beens running against Deon Sanders and Ronnie Lott in their prime.

I smell interception.

As usual, a misleading plebiscite question will undoubtedly be used to secure the desired result.

"Which would you prefer:
(a) CWB continue as today, or
(b) Harper-geddon?"

The Prime Minister should just defund it and get it over with.
Along with a few other criminal wastes of money!(CBC anyone?)

FREE, I do not think that the taxpayer is funding the CWB. I believe the cost of operating the CWB is being taken out of the farmer's pockets.

The wheat and barley markets need to be opened so that the farmer can sell to whomever he wants, whenever he wants and those that want the CWB can sell to it.

Yes, the CBC is a waste of taxpayers money. James Moore, are you listening?

The CWB is subsidized by the federal government. As far as I know that subsidy will continue.

As far as I know, the plan is to have a dual marketing system. If you have an option of keeping on with the board, or opting out, why is a vote needed?? You can have the best of both worlds. My prediction is that when farmers get used to the open market system, the board will phase itself out.

It's called obsolescence.

FREE, I do not think that the taxpayer is funding the CWB. I believe the cost of operating the CWB is being taken out of the farmer's pockets.

The cost of funding the freeloading farmer is borne by the taxpayer so at the end of the day, the taxpayer is on the hook for the whole nine yards.

My prediction is that when farmers get used to the open market system, the board will phase itself out.

And I predict that if and when farmers get used to the free market, the free loaders and welfare bums will phase themselves out...
even if the spikes of this world have to be dragged, kicking and screaming, down the road to self-respecting self sufficiency.

The taxpayer subsidy through the CWB is irregular and insignificant. It amounts to an occasional funding of a sales pool shortfall when the actual market returns to the pool fall short of the conservatively set prepayments to the farmer. It is rarely used, and trivial in amount.

The much larger injustice is contained within the wheat farming community of western Canada, specifically the freedom of farmers to seek their own wheat market vs the captivity to support an expensive bureaucracy that has no incentive to provide market returns, and subsequently doesn't.

Big tough Phil, never even planted a spud I'll bet. You know nothing about farming do you assh..e, spew some BS supplied to you by someone else in the asylum, stick to interior decorating.

1? 1 doesn't make you that special, but it would seem to show the problems with the "voter" list still haven't been fixed. (Or maybe they have,... Hmmm)

I myself have 6 ballots. Me, my company, dad is close to retirement so since the decision affects me much more than him he has given me his and his company's ballots. Then there is my uncle who lives in iowa and rents us his land. We do the farming and the marketing, so he has given us his ballot. And ditto the neighbour we rent 1 quarter from.

I wonder which choice I should choose... Or if it will even matter if I mark those 6. The plebicite is a political ploy at best.

1? 1 doesn't make you that special, but it would seem to show the problems with the "voter" list still haven't been fixed. (Or maybe they have,... Hmmm)

I myself have 6 ballots. Me, my company, dad is close to retirement so since the decision affects me much more than him he has given me his and his company's ballots. Then there is my uncle who lives in iowa and rents us his land. We do the farming and the marketing, so he has given us his ballot. And ditto the neighbour we rent 1 quarter from.

I wonder which choice I should choose... Or if it will even matter if I mark those 6. The plebicite is a political ploy at best.

But a good voter system, yes??

Oops, apologies for the double post there, too many buttons.

Cynic, there is no such thing as a dual market.... Not for most people anyway.

Agriculture is risky business. Hundreds of variables. Part of marketing is limiting that risk. Lock in, while not always the best price, but a good one that will be profitible.

We grow different crops with different attributes to minimize weather and harvest costs. Etc

Now the cwb currently has sales that number in the billions. But the changes coming are at the very fundamentals of the company. Sales the year following will not be in the billions.

Without the mandate the cwb becomes just another grain company. Full of very intelligent people, but one without any real assets delivery points and the like. (And no cash to buy). It will (at this point) be less like a viterra grain company, and more like a grain brokerage.

One that basically has to compete with its competition grain brokers, while simultaneously depending on contracts with those same competitors to move grain over their competitors scales.

Sound like a good position to be in??

So given that a producer is trying to limit their risk, why would they expand that risk by making large deals with a company in huge state of flux with few prospects or advantages to become stable.

If (when) the changes the tories are proposing go through, the CWB will be a dead company. Or atleast a small unstable brokerage ripe for takeover just like the AWB.

Good or bad, this will be a fundamental shift in the grain industry.

Barcs, that is exactly why this plebicite is as phony as phil.

i'm sending my vote to Ritz, at least he will know where i stand.

i can smell the freedom already.
and if phony phil doesn't like it....all the better.

The CWB would have disapeared years ago if it wasn't for our friends in quebec and their addiction to supply management(read -other peoples money). It is taking guts to do what Harper is attempting. Just don't expect him to go further down the road with milk,eggs,chicken......

Barcs explains the infamous CWB voters list very well. Ballots sent to unactive farmers and non farmers from every corner of the globe have kept this dinosaur above the pimordial ooze long enough.

All the marketing boards are immoral and nothing but central planning from the socialists.

Time for them all to go.

All the marketing boards are immoral and nothing but central planning from the socialists.
Time for them all to go.

Supply managed products are only subsidized if the end consumer chooses to buy the product.
The taxpayer has no choice but to subsidize the welfare bum, freeloader grain/cattle farmer.
If Harper and the smalldead teabaggers who worship him had an ounce of integrity between them,
the rural conservative welfare bums would be booted off of the gravy train before anything.
The end of supply management would only mean a stampede of egg, dairy, etc. producers
to transform into welfare bum producers. Be careful what you wish for, teabaggers.

SP "primordial" Pimordial is the place in the landfill where old pie is thrown out.

"Supply managed products are only subsidized if the end consumer chooses to buy the product." Oh yeah, you simply avoid those subsidies by stopping eating.

"The taxpayer has no choice but to subsidize the welfare bum, freeloader grain/cattle farmer."
I'll gladly pay back every subsidy my farm has ever received if The government pays me all the money the CWB has cost me. Or they can simply send mema cheque for the difference. I could use the money.

"The taxpayer has no choice but to subsidize the welfare bum, freeloader grain/cattle farmer."

I'm the same as you Banachek, But I'd choose to pay back every cent if the government repaid me for every penny I contribute to other government spending that I don't agree with.

Hmmm... phil seems to agree that I shouldn't be given subsidy/safety nets from the government... Tell me phil, what programs are you advantaged to receive? Maybe you would like to give up some of your own gravy train in exchange for producers giving up some of their safety nets??

I could use the money too Banachek. :)

Tell me phil, what programs are you advantaged to receive?

Not a one, like almost everyone else in society. Farmer welfare is
a subsidy in a class all by itself. Name me something even remotely comparable.

phil, tell us what you do for a liveing and i'm sure i can point out some of the programs you suck on.

since you asked for some examples......here.

bail out of auto industry.

bail out air canada...several times.

bail out of bombardier..several times!

1000. dollar bonus cheques for stress to the cwb bums.

i can come up with more phil.........

but tell us phil, what do you do for a liveing?

if you can't do that...your not worth an answer.

I'm no fan of corporate bailouts nor any manner of special interest
tax privilege, but your examples miss the mark by a country mile.
Freeloader farmer subsidies constitute $billions in taxes, year after
year, decade upon decade, generation after generation
which has created a culture of dependence with an attendant
mentality of entitlement. We need look no further than the
resident SDA plow jockeys as example. The spikes, the barcs,
yourself.
What possible relevance is the nature of my work?
Suffice to say I pay my own way and sponge off no man.
You can't say the same.

BTW, I work at Walmart. So go for it. Point out some programs.

Oh yeah, you simply avoid those subsidies by stopping eating.

No, you simply stop eating those specific products. Many people do.

well phil, i don't care if it's cash for clunkers or a gov. program to change your furnace, windows or welfare.

the point is all qualify for a subsidy, even you phil.

frankly if they ended all subsidies.. it would be alright with me.
and that would include these huge pensions some people seem to think they are entitiled to and want me to pay for till i die.

but to argue because i want some mud sucking crooks like the cwb out of my back pocket phil, i have to say, you don't know what your talking about.

All qualify for the subsidies you cited, including farmers, but only welfare bum farmers qualify for freeloader farm subsidies. That's the difference. And that's bad enough,
but then you yahoos have the entitled to your entitlements
gall to whine about socialism.

i thought all you socialists wanted to share the wealth phil?

as long as the wealth and work is comeing from soemone else's pocket though.

get serious phil, you socialists are all fools.
i never saw a poor man hire anyone yet.
stick to wallmart, you couldn't make it working for yourself.

My, my. Good retort. Face in the trough and nothing but contempt for the working man. Spoken like a true blue small dead tea bagger.

Sounds like someone has contempt for farmers who've received back in subsidies a part of the money they've lost to the CWB.

Please, you have lost nothing to the CWB.
You have always had the ability to
Market your grain thru the buy back program.
You're a leech. Always have been. Always
Will be.