That's Not a Muslim: It's a Canadian Muslim

Muslims here know better !!! the instant they forget Cnadians of all walk's races creed's and beleif's will remind them.

I think many of the muslums here come from different parts of the world, and for different reasons. One of those reasons is to stay away from their extremist bretheren, but make on mistake, ther is an undertow towards extremism here and it wouldn't take much to drag things into different state of being. As friend of mine, muslum from Kenya, told me that I would be surprized as to the amount of subtle support for extremism in Canada by "moderate" muslums. We need to stay on top of this file, without over reacting.

paul in calgary >

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Why are Muslims less publicly active in Canada than the UK?

Fear.

At least for the time being, their “courage” will eventually grow with demographic numbers. Canadians are not quite as Liberal or imprisoned by the police state as the UK public is to begin with. We as a citizenry are also armed, the UK is not.

The other question is what are they doing out of the public eye? Canada is a safe haven for the planners, money solicitors/ launderers and their families. Let’s also not forget so soon the plan to murder the parliament and behead the PM and a few years ago, amongst several other plans thwarted by the RCMP and CISIS.

I don't think that there is anything special about Canada that is, so far, preventing a full scale internal terrorist attack in Canada. I think the seething militancy of the Islamist does exist in Canada.

Islamism has replaced the seething militancy of the 60's communism, and attracts the young, attracts conversions..and that same naive and vicious utopian idea of 'saving the world by violently outing whatever is deemed evil' (other religions).

We have the 2006 plot to attack the Parliament and Harper.
And, there are, given the ratio of Muslims, a signicant number of honour killings.

York University in Toronto as a hot-bed of anger. There is a newly set up Chair of Islamic Studies - no problem in itself - but the focus of many of these Muslim students seems to be, not on Canada or other studies - but on Islam.

The Muslim students invited George Galloway, who has a 'Hamas passport' and is a supporter of terrorism..to York. There's a lot of tension between the Jewish and Islamic students.

Calgary has problems with Somali immigrants.

Importantly, however, Canada is resisting Islamist attempts to impose their societal values far earlier in the immigration pattern than was the situation in the UK and Europe. There, the ideology of multiculturalism allowed new immigrants to reject integration and simply use the new land as a geographic extension of their old land.

Canada, operating as a later destination for Islamic immigration, even though it was under the perfidious influence of Trudeau's multiculturalism, has seen a growing public rejection of multiculturalism and thus, a significant and public rejection of any attempts by Muslims to impose their values. So, the use of Sharia Law in family disputes was rejected in Ontario. Importantly - many Muslim women were opposed to Sharia Law.

In Quebec, the use of the veil in public interactions has been forbidden.

I would say that multiculturalism and the socialist welfare state has enabled radical Islam to thrive in Europe. The immigrants set up isolate communities, lived on welfare - and - were unable to move out of this situation as the socialist economy made setting up private businesses very difficult.

Harper's govt has moved away from multiculturalism, has tightened immigration insisting that the immigrant must acknowledge Canadian culture and laws..and is focused on the important role of small businesses. Therefore, new immigrants can set themselves up.

There are still a proportion on welfare - but nowhere near the numbers in Europe.

After 9/11 the Toronto Star sent reporters to various Muslim counties and discovered there was widespread support for the attack. Shortly afterward there were several letters from muslims who pointed out there was no need to waste time traveling to find this sentiment - just drop by many mosques in the GTA to listen to some sermons.

Even they must try to keep from soiling every corner of their empire!

Canada welfare state, while burdensome, does not have the same scale as Europe's. That's triple-true regarding labor laws and regulation. This keeps the economy relatively dynamic and busts up the enclaves better, hence Canada's successful assimilation of its immigrants.

the practice in Canuckistan is to put muslims in charge of immigration. and elect muslims to parliament and provincial (oh how provincial) and municipal gubbamints.

we have a muslim chair of the police 'service' board. he is a snotty lump of camel dung and I really really hope he gets taken out by a mobster.

I believe that we have many more islamic atrocities than reported.

Our news sources are very reluctant to link wrongdoings to any religion,race,ethnicicity,etc..

We are all equal,or some BS like that.

ping, Are you trying to set this site up for the HRC goons?

totally misnamed dude

That our welfare state supports this sh!t at all only encourages the extreme.

wallyj

Yeah that Ecole Politechnique incident was promoted as a gender/firearms law thing...still is....when in it's essence it was an Islamic atrocity...

Enclaves or not, you have first/second generation Muslims congregate in mosques, ect. and free reign to promote hatred and violence. There is little resistance here because political correctness has cowed us.

ping- what a stupid post.

The ethnic enclave provides a social or political "critical mass". Once that is achieved behaviour will change, too. Over time Muslims are likely to move into an area to be closer to their mosque and Islamic schools.

As a percentage, until the past decade or so, many of the Muslim immigrants who moved here are of the persecuted moderate, minority groups e.i. Ismaili. This percentage is likely changing pretty fast in places like Toronto.

The fundamentalist/militants take a long view of this war. They understand that over a time, the demographics favour them and the imposition of Shariah law.

The government will either act to restrict and/or deport militant Inmans and schools or not. If they don't the isolated instances will cease to be so isolated.

Speaking of isolated instances that go unacknowledged, the Montreal Massacre of Dec.6, 1989 was one. Then Tor. Star columnist Michelle Landsberg wrote that Mark Lepine's name had orginally been Gamel Gharbi. He was the son on an Algerian immigrant who was divorced by his wife for domestic violence. Culturally, politically, Islamist values explain that massacre. The feminist line of it representing some Canadian war against women never made any sense.

Our governments won't take this issue seriously until something happens that they can't rationalize away.

Osumashi Kinyobe

It's never cowed me. I was working on a jobsite with a multi-culti crew when, over lunch, favorite numbers came up vis a vis 649.

One fella declared 911...I vociferously spained the inappropriateness of this remark to my new friend.

He was decidedly unhappy but noticeably small.

An old electrician co worker of mine told me about him working at a big electronics factory in Toronto (the one that used to be IBM at Eglinton/Don Mills area - can't for the life of me remember what it is now) on 9/11. When the workers saw the news of the planes flying into the WTC a huge party broke out and he had to leave because he was scared for his personal safety. I doubt things have got any better since.

I really really hope he gets taken out by a mobster

Doubtful.
The mob doesn't have many(any) gay members.
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I can see that, syncrodox.

I'm becoming less optimistic fast.

From the June 10th Vancouver Sun editorial.

"Society without Hate"

"It's difficult to comprehend the alarming increase in hate crimes in Canada reported by Statistics Canada this week. The number of police reported incidents soared 42 per cent in 2009, on top of a 35 per cent jump in 2008.

Of the 1,473 incidents substantiated by police as hate crimes - that is, criminal offences motivated by hate toward an identifiable group - 283, or roughly 19 per cent, targeted the Jewish community. That's an increase of 71 per cent from a year earlier.

There are more offences against Jews than any other group, including blacks (272) and homosexuals (175). The number of hate crimes targeting Muslims was up nine per cent, to 36.

StatsCan said about seven in 10 religiously motivated hate crimes targeted Jews, an astounding figure considering only 315,120 Canadians identified their cultural or ethnic origin as Jewish in the 2006 census. That's 0.9 per cent of Canada's population. Of the top 25 ethnic groups in Canada, Jews are 25th." ...

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Society+without+hate/4924148/story.html

Crime is crime is crime....did I mention crime is crime?

The crazy bastard who wipes out his family in Nunavet is no more notable than the crazy bitch who drowns her kids in South Carolina.

Some folk will kill, some folk will die...some folk survive...others cry.

Life.

Our politicains haven't got the guts to deal with the Islamic Supremacists, and they grow stronger in Canada by the day.

Related story, I wonder if they'll open a franchise in Tarrana home of multiculturalism? http://weaselzippers.us/2011/06/12/egypt-cleric-explains-it-is-ok-to-take-non-muslim-women-and-children-as-slaves-as-well-as-take-women-as-sex-slaves/#comment-195557

N

How many HA do you know?

Osumashi Kinyobe

I saw it to. Thanks.

N

So you're the "friend" of a striker.

Usefull idiot eh?

An associate with aspirations or meat?

Larry- I disagree that the Montreal 'massacre' was due to the individual's Muslim background.

There's no evidence for that but there is evidence of a pyschologically disturbed individual.

Most certainly, there are examples where violence is based within the Islamic beliefs - such as 9/11. But not every case of violence carried out by someone who is Muslim is due to and only to their religion/ideology.

The potential for these kinds of problems in Canada remains and depending on the actions of our government may erupt, but in my opinion there are several reasons why it has not gotten out of hand here yet:
-Canada encourages more family immigration than individuals while Europe and in particular France have allowed in great numbers of young, angry and poorly educated men from northern Africa. As was also suggested in another comment many Muslim female immigrants to Canada are trying to escape sharia law not bring it with them.
-European unemployment rates are higher than Canada and idle hands are the devils playground, ie high unemployment
-they might not admit it but Europe and England are still a class driven society and the class of foreign born young Muslim men don't rate high
-Islamic extremists see Europe as the first of the western civilized areas to be taken over and it is also easier to get to England and European countries then to get to North America
-European multicultural policies has encouraged the ghettoization of Muslim populations. This is beginning here as well.

There may be other reasons as well and many may dispute some of my ideas but I'll finish by hoping that we in North America can learn from what is happening in Europe, before it is too late.

N

That you would come around here and attempt to invoke immplied threats is expected.

That you would think they were effective is assinine.

N, the HA don't like people talking or posting about them either, but they REALLY don't like people pretending to be their buds. Keep it up.

n

You best.

Let's cool the knee-jerk anti-Islam stuff.

Muslims didn't introduce moral relativism in this country.

Muslims didn't start and continue the war on Christianity in this country.

Muslims didn't demand acceptance of alternate lifestyles in the country as the norm.

The fault, dear Brutus, is in our stars.

That's Not a Muslim: It's a Canadian Muslim

That's not a boiling pot: It's a simmering pot

The dissatisfied leftist press will soon resort to turning up the heat.

It's not knee-jerk if it is true.

They did not start cultural(moral) relativism,but they are exploiting it.

The war on Christianity (and all others)is a basic tenet of Islam.

I really don't know what 'alternative lifestyles has to do with anything.

I do agree that we carry blame for accepting islam as an equivalent culture,religion,idealogy. However,it's time to realize that there is a problem before it becomes too large and too ingrained to do anything about.

We are approaching that point.

Paul asked:

“Aside from a handful of honor-killings and a couple of terror cases, Canada has yet to experience the violently supremacist side of Islam in any significant way....Could it be the ethnic blend of Canada’s Muslims, or the fact that until now Canadian Muslims have not concentrated in enclaves?”

Both, I would guess. The lack of any large-scale purely Muslim enclaves means more our immigrants have more interaction with non-Muslims, and the ethnic diversity among our Muslim immigrants (in terms of their regions/cultures of origin) probably helps reduce radicalization too. If you look at the particularly troublesome no-go enclaves in European cities, they tend to be predominantly Pakistani, or Moroccan, etc., depending on whether you're in Paris or Amsterdam or somewhere else.

Maybe the biggest difference between us and Europe, though, is simply geography and history. For a thousand years eastern Europe was the geographical front line in the conflict between Islam and Christianity, and in western Europe, Spain was a Muslim country for almost 700 years, and was reconquered by Christians only five hundred years ago. Canada, in direct contrast, has never bordered Islamic territory, so it's doubtful that there are many - or any - Muslims who think they have an historic claim to Canadian land. There's an "al-Andalus", but there's no al-Canada.

N

the HA would consider a fool like like you a BITCH

I’ve always found it pathetically weird that the lefty trolls defend Islam and Islamic immigration as if it has some positive gain for them personally. In fact all evidence shows the opposite, yet they stick their beaks out every time trying to convince rational people that we have some sort of vested interest with positive benefits from Islam.

What is it exactly that we are to gain in the west from massive Muslim Immigration again?

What is it that you Liberal Trolls gain, other than recklessly wanting and promoting the opposite of conservative common sense?

N

So I should itemize wit for your convenience?

You obviously know nothing about back alleys.

or curbs.

“In Oslo all sexual assaults involving rape in the past year has been committed by males of non-western background; this was the conclusion of a police report published today. This means that every single rape assault in the last five years, where the rapist could be identified, he was a man of foreign origin.”

In other words, Muslims. Why are women's groups in Canada not concerned about this? This is happening all across Europe yet we hear nothing in the media about this.

It might be a factor in the huge size of Canada and the sparcity of the population. Various groups tend to disperse and thus are for the time being rendered less problematic.

England which is overpopulated, has terrible problems in such as Yorkshire. Problems of violent anarchistic Muslim youth. Now showing itself in the East-End of London.

For the time being, Canadians have little to worry about. The short distances in England force the afluent to keep on moving. The poor devils of my own working class have to live with any problem in most cases- 'cept if they emmigrate, I have driven the Trans-Canada for a couple of thousand miles. All sorts of communities pretty much the same make up as fifty years ago.

Lucky Canada.

EBD @8:27 - "Canada... has never bordered Islamic territory, so it's doubtful that there are many - or any - Muslims who think they have an historic claim to Canadian land. There's an "al-Andalus", but there's no al-Canada."

Actually, turns out that Muslims have been pushing this "we were here first" thing for quite some time. I do believe it's shown up in Michigan textbooks, although I'd need to double check.

http://www.themuslimwoman.com/chooseyourpath/muslimsbeforecolumbus.htm

Black Mamba

Narrative and all that.

E.T.
Since the mass murderer committed suicide after the incident a detailed forensic psychiatric assessment is not possible.

As a hypothesis or plausible explanation it fits the facts of the case better than any other offered. Certainly better than the "official" feminist analysis, that it was simply an expression of the Canadian patriarchy's war on women.

The ideology of Mohammedanism and it's treatment of women is by our Western standards aberrant. My point is that it fits what happened.

Agreed, not all violence committed by someone with a Muslim background is necessarily derived from that background.

However, how one reacts to perceived obstacles, blames others for failure, is largely derived from cultural norms.
Those values are learned which is why passing on cultural traditions are so vital to a civilization.

Again, evidence, yes, as it fits a pattern found only in Muslim ideology and practice. Is it a proof no. Though a more plausible explanation than offered so far. It would be on the top of the list of explanations. That is how I'd present and argue for it.
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On a previous discussion you outlined an analysis that Mideast despotic governments would, out of economic necessity, give way to a more efficient one. One that developed a professional middle-class to organize it. And from that a more open society would develop.

I see the reasoning, my concern would be that their present oil wealth and ruthlessness is great enough for those ruling elites to delay that outcome, perhaps for decades*.

Zimbabwe comes to mind.

*($26.00/barrel oil would hasten a crisis but that is not on the horizon.)

Toronto,Calgary and I believe Edmonton have all allowed "Muslim Only" residential sub-divisions, Canada is only a few years behind what is happening in "Eurabia".

My personal theory is that the ratio of Jews to Muslims matters more than the percentage of Muslims.

In NY, Jews still outnumber Muslims.

In Toronto, Muslims outnumber Jews.

When you factor in the crazy infidels who side with the Muslims, that number gets larger.

Also: two journalists have told me that Toronto-based daily papers sat on pix of Toronto Muslims (cab drivers on Front Street) celebrating on 9/11. Whether or not these photos still exist in their archives or were destroyed, I don't know.

TWO POINT'S

@Alf ...there is no such thing as a muslims only area in calgary i can guarentee that i will say there is a large numbero f muslims here in the north east of calgary but they DO NOT cause trouble if anything the whitey's in that nieghbourhood are the ones to fear as alot of them are poor bikers who have alot of guns and i have a few of those freinds who on any given night may set of "fire crackers " ..lol. my daughter also lives there with her mom i drive thought there every day and many times at night ...there have been muslim rapist's they have een caught there was also a white rapist and he was caught to ...trust me the north east of calgary is FAR FAR FAR FAR AWAY from being a no go zone ...i bring humphry my daughter dog to the playground and i separate the muslims from the hindhu's ....the hindhu 's run to the dog to pet it along with there parent's and they ask me questions .....therm uslims run to there parent's and they leave the playground !!! nuff said !!!

@ KATHY SHAIDLE

THE biker i mentioned above was picking up his freinds from the calgary international airport the morning of 9/11 and almost every single cabbie got out of there car was shaking hand's hugging or jumping and screaming with joy when they showed the airplanes hit so if there is not pictures there is definatley video somewhere ..the differene is like i said ..the r.c.m.p. are watching ...the citizens are watching ...the muslims in canada have huge target's on them put there by themselves. NUFF SAID!!!

From that article Cjunk linked: "Tower Hamlets’[UK] gay community has become a particular target of extremists. Homophobic crimes in the borough have risen by 80 per cent since 2007/8, and by 21 per cent over the last year, a period when there was a slight drop in London as a whole...[snip]... In February this year, dozens of stickers appeared across Tower Hamlets quoting the Koran, declaring the borough a “gay-free zone” and stating that “verily Allah is severe in punishment.”...[snip].... Peter Tatchell, the gay human rights campaigner, said: “The police said no-one was allowed to talk publicly about this because they didn’t want to upset the Muslim community. We’ve made very clear the difference between the Muslim community as a whole and these particular fundamentalists, and the fact that the police wouldn’t publicly say what they knew was an absolute disgrace.”

Sorry, but when it comes to gay activists vs Muslim extremists my reaction is "Can't they both lose?" The gay lobby got in bed early on with the Islamists, and if they suffer the consequences there's an element of karma at work. Notice how, in the quote above, the "gay human rights campaigner" is still quick to exonerate the Muslim community. Would he do the same for the Bible Belt?

"Many terrorist acts directed at the West were hatched, in fact, in the UK... Canada has yet to experience the violently supremacist side of Islam in any significant way."

A loaded little word: yet.

ping, Are you trying to set this site up for the HRC goons?
Posted by: wallyj at June 12, 2011 4:29 PM"

well wally, in that case it would be win-win for me.

and ET, since when is accuracy stupid? are you a closet liberal?