Great Moments In Socialism

See the protesters are job creators, someone has to fix all the damage. Anarchists are net job makers.

Where could they possibly think all the money comes from? and where will it come from? Just wondering.

Probably the most telling statistic in all of this is 250,000 private sector jobs lost and public sector jobs lost - zero. I say let them default and see if some of the people there can figure out the problem. After the smoke has cleared it might take them a few decades to get back to their present living standards. It might also be a good lesson for all of the other debtor nations who think they can maintain business as usual.

Sounder:
The money comes from the rich. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

The various Greek Communist Parties/Orgs have been behind the violence, but I've only seen this mentioned once on the MSM -- on CTV a number of months ago there was brief mention of the Greek Communists and a momentary flash of footage.

Even Sun News seems unaware of the fact that it is the powerful Greek Commmunists heading up the destruction, even though they have been quite public about it -- the Communists in Greece are not even trying to hide the fact that they are behind it all.

Very significant that the birthplace of Democracy has weathered many storms throughout history, but only one thing is likely capable of causing its collapse: post-Soviet Communism. We must never forget that although the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese surrendered in WWII and were defeated, the fanatics of International Communism never likewise formally surrendered or were defeated.

Yeah, Sounder.

Rob from the rich, give to the state.

That's what makes socialism great.

Kudos to Kate again. The caption and second line say it all.

Sid Ryan's wish for Canada.

I doubt that the army will be able to fix the problem this time as they have no doubt been corrupted by socialism during the last 40 years.

Hmmm.. take a country which produces nothing but olives, ouzo, white sandy beaches and 3000yr old temples and attempt to drag it into the 21st century by adopting a currency which requires that you increase your labour costs fourfolld over your old currency and see what happens. The only surprise should be that it took this long....

"The money comes from the rich." Kakola @ 2:19

Not to split hairs, but this bailout will come from debt issued to cover it. You are correct in that the money comes from from those with money who can invest in the debt. The definition of rich?. Any Canadian with a pension/RRSP that invests in financial instruments.

Quite a bit comes from thin air too. No printing presses anymore, but that's the idea.

"My Big Fat Greek Tragedy"....I gather there were no weddings to go to.

And not a Canucks jersey in sight!

When was the last time that Athens was sacked? I think Sulla in 86 BC, but now they are burning down their own house...

Democracy if necessary, but not necessarily democracy.

Evidently the demagogues have mounted the bema on the Pynx, Acropolis to hold forth with the spirited exchanges of Molotov cocktails and teargas.

Cheers

Hans Rupprecht, C in C

1st St. Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

Ahh Ricardo - that explains the mystery to me. I hate it when reporters say that the Anarchists are at fault.

I have always wondered how Anarchists who are opposed to organization (favor free association) are able to get a crowd together for the purpose of breaking something. Almost by definition they should be unable to organize and unable to have a purpose.

But if they are communists then that explains it.

Those folks who wear the black clothing and have adopted the Circled A sign are not anarchists in my mind. They are suburban terrorists.

Sheesh. With all that rioting, do you think that a hockey game will break out?

I've been trolling the story on G&M and the Progressive solution is simple: nobody should pay their debts.

It's that easy you see.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/greek-anti-austerity-protests-turn-ugly/article2078218/

I've posted there quite a bit today.

You see it now in the states. These flash mobs. I wonder just how spontanious they are?

"The money comes from the rich." Kakola @ 2:19.

No - not in this case but then Greece is and always was special. Most workers even doctors are paid pitiful salaries thus there is not incentive to declare any income.

The rich have taken care of themselves, paid off the peasants, pay in cash, don't declare things like pools, resorts and ships that generate tax revenue and want the EU to bail them out yet one more time.

The EU will be better off without them.

Hahahahahaha

Well we know that 49% of the Greek debt is held by American Banks..Why ?

@ rroe, the clip also shows the black flag of anarchism. The people in the clip are the ideological great grandchildren of the anarchist Nestor Makhno who organized an army of many thousands during the Russian Civil war and fought with the Bolsheviks when it suited him. Although I think the video clip just shows anarchists you can bet the Communists are behind this and they are once again using each other.

T-shirt and bumper sticker contest on the theme Anarchists for Big Government . Winner gets a molitov cocktail and free health care for life .

When there's no money, there's no money, doesn't matter how many windows you smash.

So riot away, Greeks. It just makes for interesting television for the rest of us.

Yeah, target McDonalds. How brave, how bold, what a courageous statement.

Those rocks they were throwing weren't small, and could cause a lot of damage if one's shield isn't up. If a policeman dies - I sure hope not - it will be worse and worse and worse.

It's gonna get ugly - coming soon to a country (south of us?) near you . . . . .

It's like trying to threaten to get money out of a bank when the bank has no money. No matter what you do in terms of protests, clashes with police, burning cars, or smashing windows, the bank still has no money.

It is clear that the rioters are either stupendously stupid to not know what it means when the gov't says "We're broke", or that they secretly are simply trying to take over power with threats of violence. Didn't some young German fellow do the same thing about 80 years ago?

And - I point that I make over and over and over again - covering one's face around or near a demonstration or protest = instant arrest.

Because the police are busy in such circumstances, handcuffing to a bike rack would probably be convenient.

Looks like a blissful gun-free utopia, where everyone can "do what they feel".

Libtards, and followers of a certain 7th century cult both believe it is right to harm those who do not agree with them.

No wonder they get along

(for now)

"Looks like a blissful gun-free utopia, where everyone can "do what they feel"."

Of course, why would they need guns when they can beat the riot police with sticks, stones and molotov cocktails?

Sooner or later Police are going to have to have the authority to say "stop or we'll shoot" and actually shoot the person who refuses to stop. I'll bet that would wake up the "entitlement class" right quick -- as long as the cops give fair warning and shoot legally. After all, it isn't Syria where cops just shoot people for a peaceful protest -- in Greece they are spoiled brats like the rest of the West, engaging in gratuitous violence and property destruction.

One of the big problem with Greece as opposed to other places is that tax evasion is very within their culture. As such the government doesn't get what he should be getting because people find all kind of trick to don't pay their tax. People there openly brag about not paying tax and it is socially acceptable. As such the problem is not socialism, the problem is tax fraud.

In many Northern european culture (germany, sweden and Denmark), it is not culturally acceptable to fraud tax. It is viewed almost as if you commit murder. As such people don't do it.
These are some of the strongest economy is the world.

Just look on wikipedia for a list of country with high GDP per capita. Socialism triumph.

Vive le Quebec Layton!

Why do all these protesters look the same, and engage in the same sort of vandalism, no matter what they are protesting about, and no matter what country they are protesting in?

Is this in fact a world-wide loser class?

TJ:

They're just following the template.

quebecois NDPiste socialiste at June 28, 2011 4:58 PM: "...the problem is not socialism, the problem is tax fraud."

Except you forgot something, Socialism produces tax fraud otherwise it is not Socialism (obviously, Germany, Denmark and Sweden are not yet "Socialist"). Socialism means that the means of production are in the hands of the State and the State therefore provides the services non-competitively, requiring either heavy taxation or other forms of oppressive payment from the citizenry to the public purse in order to sustain the monolithic State. People always end up cheating massively under Socialism. How do you think the Soviet economy collapsed?

qNs the greeks cheat on their taxes because they know they're being looted by a bunch of champagne socialist elite with a plan that never fails to fail. No honour amongst thieves, frogdip.

That's why all of Canada's outlaw motorcycle gangs, the mafia and all of our criminal bureaucrats come from NDP socialiste Quebec.

Socialism's triumphs = 100 million dead and counting.

Workers of the world, ignite!

"Great Moments In Socialism"...aided and abetted by capitalism!

Couch:

Goldman Sachs was also a major contributor to the Obama campaign.

He repaid the entire industry involved in the housing bubble, led by Fannie Mae and allegedly overseen by Barney Frank and his boyfriend, with a $700 billion bailout.

Us conservatives have a long memory.

Anarchists...ppffftt... entitleists is more like it.

"Why do all these protesters look the same, and engage in the same sort of vandalism, no matter what they are protesting about, and no matter what country they are protesting in?"

Come on,TJ,the Greek disenchanted youth wear hoods of either black OR white,while the Vancouver DY only wore hoods in basic black!

I hate to admit it,but the Greek geeks are more stylish than ours!

The cops have gotta invent a tear gas canister that explodes so they can't boot it back at them.

Or maybe just use fragmentation grenades.

Allot of these riots are well stocked with “disenfranchised Muslim youth” as with France. Greece has a long history of Muslim rioting and carbeques that rarely make the western MSM.

That said, the people of Greece have been fleeced by the banks as well, many of the protesters (the smart ones) are Greeks that DO NOT want more bailouts, and many are simply pure lefty fanatical anarchists that want to see things burn and people getting hurt.

It’s a mess.

A touch of recent Greek Muslim riot history:
http://www.theage.com.au/world/muslim-migrants-riot-in-athens-20090523-bixy.html
http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/ep/greece_muslims.htm

George must be making lots of money what with all this economic unrest.

@ syncrodox, take another look at that clip. The guy with the black flag which is the flag of international anarchism. The entitleists are the useful idiots.

Tax fraud, corruption and paying under the table are a way of life in the former Soviet states. The people had good teachers.

This is very, very sad conclusion to country where today's civilisation (at least european and by continuation, north american) got its start.

It is as though, the rest of Europe picked up the thought, the art, the philosophy, the mathematics, the observation of natural world and are making use of it to this very day, leaving the cradle of it in the dust.

What is sad that the Greeks, themselves forgot where they came from and where are they going.

As it happens a lot of times, they were sleeping on their glory and forgot that in order to go on you have to struggle for ever and ever.

They got their brains mushed by siren song of socialists. So sad.

Never been to Greece, though one day would like to take a walk through Agora where the democracy took its first steps in the course of human events.

Walk the places where Platon, Aristoteles, Epicurus, Democritos, Sophocles, Euripedes and so many other that are to this day emulated by current writers. Very, very sad indeed.

It all happened because of socialists, they run out of other peoples money.

Perhaps, this is what we are headed towards if the silly population keep asking for more stuff from the idiot polilticians and thiks it is free.

At least they covered their faces so they wouldn't get fingered on Facebook. They thinkin'...

Just wait till this type of action leeds. As it always does to food shortages. Than rationing.

Ken (Kulak)

Good point.

Yeah Davenport. Because Capitalists are -always- the ones burning cars on Main St. when they don't get their way.

Oh, wait...

Financial collapse leads to dictatorship, and the Greeks aren't that far removed from the last junta of the colonels... at some point the army is going to say "enough" and sure as night follows day, the entitleists are going to face martial law imposed by some very unamused guys in uniform.

tanker >

“Financial collapse leads to dictatorship”

Indebted servitude for generations to the worlds corporate and globalist elites is probably even worse in my opinion. If they could, Greece should pull an Iceland revolt and simply default on their debts. Then kick out the IMF, World Bank, Goldman Sacs, The Muslims and the Lefty malcontents (As citizens deport them to a private Island with olives and a few granola bars).

In the end their screwed anyway they decide to go. I say go out with a bang and start over from scratch.

Funny I was talking to a Greek friend of mine who lives in the USA who has family over there. He regularly visits Greece and says the all the Greeks he talks to blame the USA - having military bases over there as the root of the problem. They must be living in another world.

set you free: "Goldman Sachs was also a major contributor to the Obama campaign. He repaid the entire industry involved in the housing bubble, led by Fannie Mae and allegedly overseen by Barney Frank and his boyfriend, with a $700 billion bailout. Us conservatives have a long memory."

First, Goldman Sachs is a major contributor to whichever party looks like they're headed to the White House. Second, If my memory serves me correct, the $700B TARP was enacted under Bush.

TARP, how soon they forget.

Bush signed TARP into law for the sub-prime crisis, yet Obamba pushed it ahead on steroids when it could have been defeated by the house in Jan 2009.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/15/tarp-vote-obama-wins-350_n_158292.html

Some more trivia – How many Executive Orders has Obamba signed since he took office?

Remember the executive orders that he promised “never to sign, because they are unconstitutional, and I am a constitutional lawyer”. I can post links to the video quotes if you need.......

Hopefully socialist activists from around the world flock to Greece to assist their comrades - just before General Kickerofassis rolls into town.

Lev:

I imagined Grece the same way as you. Then I went there. A veritable pigstye, stray dogs wandering all over the place, the streets strewn with garbage, and beggers everywhere.

Give it a pass.