Y2Kyoto: We're Winning

I read this evening that Sydney Australia has had its coldest May in the past 40 years. Mind you so has Vancouver Canada.

Finally, a bit of reality in dealing with climate.

Sanity prevails and the leftards wail in 3...2...1...

OMG - GWB is mind controlling obama.

In the lower mainland (Vancouver) I'm seeing a ton of the new Mustangs. I haven't even seen a single Volt - are they invisible as well as silent?

It took Politicans long enough to face reality.

This is good news, but as the joannenova site reports about Germany, those that wish to destroy western society are so entrenched in the bureaucracy, academia and government that many skirmishes like this will have to be won for the tide to ultimately turn. Even many multi-national companies are sucking up to the politically motivated fraudsters.

This is good news, but as the joannenova site reports about Germany, those that wish to destroy western society are so entrenched in the bureaucracy, academia and government that many skirmishes like this will have to be won for the tide to ultimately turn. Even many multi-national companies are sucking up to the politically motivated fraudsters.

Here, north of Saskatoon, we have only had about a half dozen days this spring that reached 20 degrees Celsius. The ash trees have barely started to leaf out.

Whoops.

Jackie Gleason! How sweet it is!

Scamsters, Leftards, and Econuts on the run!!!

If other politicians are slowly regaining their sanity, perhaps this could be a good time to ask Crusty Clark why we are still paying a carbon tax. A tax on nothing. That one pisses me off even more than the HST which at least is a obvious in your face consumer screwing.

This is the third year in a row that the Lilac Festival in Calgary has arrived before the lilacs.

The greenies blame global warming,and people like you and I.

The battle back from insanity is not won yet, not until the last AGW believer is shipped off to Antarctica to await the thaw but at least the leaders of some countries are beginning to see the truth and realize that the world has been duped. I am glad that our CPC government is one of these and that Harper has already said that there will be no national cap and trade system/economy destroyer.

Socialists push carbon tax.

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"Miners say a rejection of Kyoto carbon cuts by major economies isolates Australia"

"AUSTRALIA'S mining industry has seized on the refusal of three major economies to sign on to a new round of Kyoto Protocol emissions cuts, as Tony Abbott warned even a business-endorsed $10-a-tonne carbon price would cost jobs.

Russia, Japan and Canada confirmed at the weekend G8 meeting they would not join a second round of carbon cuts if developing countries are not being required to make their own emissions reductions.

The Minerals Council said Australia and the European Union were now the only major developed nations or groups of nations committed to an extension of the protocol after its expiry at the end of next year."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillard-orders-carbon-tax-blitz/story-fn59niix-1226065766444

Yes , but the biased MSM doesn't even mention it , but concentrates on trying to make some sort of scandal over PM Harper defending Israel at the G8 .

So what if Netanyahu asked for his support ...is that some sort of crime for gawds sake ?

When are the fraud and theft charges going to be laid against Gore, Suzuki, Strong and the numerous other SOB"s that stole billions from the world economy?

Jeffrey Simpson will now have no hope of selling any more of his AGW Hysteria books.

Too sad.

Rob C asks the musical question: "When are the fraud and theft charges going to be laid against Gore, Suzuki, Strong and the numerous other SOB"s..."

To paraphrase Stalin, when Bernie Maddof cons thousands and steals millions, they put him in jail. When Algore, Stlong and the Fruitflyguy con entire nations and steal -billions-, they put 'em in history books.

Meanwhile, April showers have come in May and look to be streching into June here in southern Dumbtario. My lawn -squishes- when you walk on it, and those are the places that don't have standing water. The grass is sitting out there MOCKING me right now, its too wet to cut. On the bright side, its a bumper crop.

Germany announces end to nuclear power generation by 2025. Rainbow and unicorn power to come online shortly thereafter:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110530/wl_nm/us_germany_nuclear

I suspect that at the highest levels of government, AGW has never been accepted as fact in any nation. Rather, it is embraced as a spurious though effective argument for moving the economy away from dependence on foreign energy sources. Germany is particularly vulnerable in that regard, depending as it does on an historic enemy for natural gas and on the Middle East for oil. As developing nations drive up the price of energy, Germany's desperation will increase. I wouldn't be surprised if we were to witness a major war within 10 years.

obla dee

obla duh

la la la la life goes on

Even the Beatles knew better ,,,,

hahahahahah

RSP
"I suspect that at the highest levels of government, AGW has never been accepted as fact in any nation. Rather, it is embraced as a spurious though effective argument for moving the economy away from dependence on ."

You are probably right, to a point, but the end result of the current US regime has been an increase in dependance upon foreign energy sources. Not just ending Gulf exploration and excluding activety in ANWAR but the current initiative to block developement of the BAKKEN, BARNETT and MARCELLUS shale formations.

All I can say is I froze my a$$-off watching my daughter's softball tournament this weekend.

Go Lasers Go

Gee what a shock that "developing" countries want a new agreement. I wonder why that would be? At least they're out in the open about it now.

Germans sure do love having leaders who order them around and control every aspect of their existence.

You'd think by now they'd know better.

Now,if only our own (majority) government would back away from carbon taxes and expensive carbon sequestration programs that do nothing but kill the economy!

sasquatch:

You raise a good point. However, is it possible that current US strategy is to use other people's energy supplies for as long as it is economically advantageous to do so, keeping our own supplies relatively undeveloped as a hedge against future crises? (Of course, this is prudent only if the crises can be foreseen in time to allow development of the reserved resources).

I wouldn't dismiss entirely the notion that artificially induced scarcity might stimulate the development of so-called "renewable" energy. How you feel about this will be influenced by two considerations:

1. How long you feel currently reachable energy sources will last.

2. How wise you think it is to tamper with the economic signals normally provided by a free market.

My own ideas with regard to these questions are, frankly, not particularly well-informed nor fixed, and I invite your thoughtful comments regarding them.

Now that Germany plans to phase out nuclear reactors (non-carbon producing), it should be fun to see how many solar panels it takes to get an equivalent amount of energy.

Looks like they're going to lose the Big One again.

What does the sound of Dr. Fruit Fly's head exploding sound like?

Germany is dominated by coalition parties that would put Elizabeth May to shame and it looks like Merkel has finally caved in to them. I guess they want to be economic basket cases like the rest of the EU. The brainwashing Germany has had by the global warming nuts is even worse than what Gore and Suzuki gave us over here.
The fifth largest economy in the world is now suicidal.

I think I'll burn a couple of tires to celebrate.

5, 4, 3, 2 ..... Fruit Fly guy, where are you...?

The Kyoto Protocol fraud.

Think back a few years (2002) - to a time when Chretien's enviro minister, Van Islander Anderson, signed onto Kyoto. He, Chretien, Suzuki, most politicians and most journalists thought it was an historical achievement.

At about the same time, Kate and most of her commenters, thought, no, knew! that Kyoto was the biggest fraud the world has ever seen.

We won :)

Concerning Kyoto, I have had countless email exchanges with many prominent people during the last decade. The most arrogant one came from Jeffrey Simpson.

How wrong he was! And is still wrong. and will probably always be wrong - about most topics. But he makes lots of money 'writing wrongs", heh. Why does the nonsense continue?

[With respect, I have spent some years reading the “science,” and am in profound disagreement with you, as are all the governments of Canada (even Alberta and Saskatchewan accept the reality of climate change), the two major parties in the U.S., all of Europe, even China and India and Brazil, and the overwhelming number of scientific academics such as the Royal Society, the National Association of Scientists plus almost all of them in Canada. No one seriously believes that sun spots stuff. But there’s nothing I could say or point you to that would make you change your mind. Polls here show that about 10 per cent of Canadians deny the relaty of global warming, and as the song says “they will not be moved.” It’s frustrating, I guess, because the world has passed them completely by, so they bray at the moon.] JS, July 2008

mmmm, actually Jean, looking at the Liberal Party today, Kyoto probably was one of the factors that did!! break it's neck, heh.

[After yesterday's signing ceremony, Mr. Chrétien made reference to the skepticism that had greeted his promise last September to ratify Kyoto by year's end.

But he praised the small group of MPs who had gathered to watch him sign the ratification papers.

"There were a lot of skeptics in September," the Prime Minister said. "A lot thought we were [going] to break our neck in [ratifying Kyoto]. Because of the good work of you and all the members and the parliamentary secretary, I think we can all feel pretty good today."] Nat Post

http://www.nationalpost.com/national/story.html?id={2E3F4E3C-BA8B-4DC2-8EEA-4D955F996A2E}

I suspect that this is just a knee-jerk reaction by Germany and that they do not have a long term viable energy plan. Most renewable sources such as wind and solar do not work as base load supplies, so where do they intend to create the base. Hydro has massive implications on the ecosystems of a region and I suspect the watermelons (green on the outside and red on the inside) will have an objection there as well. What happens when the cost of electricity used to power their industries, homes and automobiles starts to skyrocket.

To borrow a quote from phthisis:

"We call them watermelon people. You know, green on the outside and red on the inside and very seedy."

Sanity for at least 4 years.

It's not over yet, not by a long shot. We need to keep hammering at this until it's as dead as a Liberal's sense of ethics.

Dennis, Germany has lots of coal, and it's next door to lots of coal in Poland. simply what they will do is buy cheap carbon credits to meet their reductions. They've no doubt calculated that with the US, Canada et.al. not participating that the price of credits will be dirt cheap, and recent history has proved this true. It's a drop in the bucket compared to their overall economic growth.

That's always been Germany's long term energy plan, and the very powerful coal mining unions insist that it be that way.

This is great can Canada now get rid of the awful eco-stuff like ethanol subsidies and mandates?

RSP said: "is it possible that current US strategy is to use other people's energy supplies..."

rsp, it would be nice if that were true, because it would imply wisdom and forward looking intelligence. on the part of top US policy makers.

But I don't think that's the case. I think the fall-off in US production and exploration is due -entirely- to thousands of lawyers beavering away on nuisance lawsuits against industry. Paid for by the large US foundations like Tides etc. who support the Canadian eco-lobby, such lawsuits can cheaply block activity by drillers etc. for many years.

The US government doesn't really appear to have a policy. Barry seems to be abetting the greenies, but on the other hand it can be argued he's merely doing what will look good on the evening news in any given week. Policy of bending whichever way the wind happens to be blowing.

RSP

I've long thought that if it's a "race to use all of the oil" then we should proceed as we have been. All AGW arguments fall short if oil is scarce as they say it is, and there is a finite amount of CO2 we're going to emit via fossil fuels. What does it matter who burns the oil when?

Poland also has billions of tons of shale gas. If Germany has a need, well they've done it before.

chg:

It's my understanding that 97% of Germany's coal is so-called "brown coal", the least desirable kind in terms of cost per net unit of energy extracted. Its low ranking is due primarily to the amount of water it contains, though recent improvements in drying procedures promise to make brown coal competitive with better grades. The extraction of brown coal is also devastating to the landscape. Images of desolate moonscapes are often invoked, a specter that is probably more compelling in densely populated Europe than it would be in the wide-open spaces of the US and Canada, though I suppose if the choice is between living on the edge of an open-pit mine vs. shivering in the dark, most people will accept the mine.

As of 2003, brown coal met 24% of Germany's energy needs, and production was in steady decline. As for better grades of coal, an article at "OilGasArticles.com" states:

"Most of Germany's hard coal deposits are deep below ground and difficult to access, making their extraction problematic and expensive. As a result, the government must provide large subsidies to the industry to maintain production. The German government plans to give the hard coal industry $3.6 billion in subsidies in 2005, down from $3.7 billion in 2004. According to an agreement reached with the coal industry in 1997, coal subsidies will fall to $2.3 billion by 2012. Brown coal production, on the other hand, is mostly feasible without subsidies.

Indiana Homez:

Interesting comment, and one more reason to doubt that anyone in power really takes AGW seriously.

Well I'm still paying any where from $10 - $45 per month on my utility bills for the carbon tax here in BC. I call it the Suzuki tax.

RSP, entirely true and it doesn't matter. This is about politics at both the federal and state level, and the German coal mining unions are enormously strong. Think NUM in the UK pre-1980s.

Phantom:

I was about to respond to your post by saying that energy security was so important that, at the highest levels, unrealistic people would surely be filtered out of any participation in decisions relating to it. But then I thought about our inability to confront our national debt, and I wasn't so sure. Perhaps the American people will have to spend a few cold nights in the dark before they come to their senses.

I should add, though, that those who oppose projects on environmental grounds may, in fact, be performing a useful function. Might not Japan be better off today if its citizens had been less deferential to nuclear-energy bureaucrats? I am reminded of my experience as a schoolboy in the 1950's. The Russians had just launched Sputnik, and there was much talk of how "inefficient" our democracy was compared to the top-down control employed by Russian leaders. One of us (it may even have been me) suggested that perhaps we needed less discussion and more action. To this day, I am struck by the vehemence with which our 8th grade social studies teacher, Mr. Bongiorno, rejected this notion. People had died, he said, so that untrammeled discussion might never be swept aside in favor of command and control by elites.

It seems to me that appreciation for the opinions of individuals ought to valued here at SDA, which was started by someone who got sick and tired of hearing self-proclaimed "elites" speak for her. Thomas Friedman thinks that obstructionists like you and me are endangering the planet by contesting AGW. (I doubt he really believes it, but he says he does, so I'll take him at his word.) Should we shut up and get out of the way because Thomas Friedman thinks we're fools?

It's easy to be in favor of democracy when things are going well and popular opinion is with you. It's when you think the country is destroying itself that one's faith is tested.

Phantom:

I can imagine a possible response to my post of 5:30PM:

"Who said anything about not respecting the opinions of individuals? It's the MSM's smugness, condescension, and monopolization of public discussion that we object to. Where do you get off lecturing us on "democracy"?

Point taken. I just find unrelieved partisanship boring after awhile. It's that, I think, that got me going. My bad.

frost in Calgary this morning .

any pictures of Dr. Mengele Suzuki's head exploding. and that Al Gore has gone quiet as a whore in church.

Today ... Germany announces that they will shut down all their nuclear power plants over the next two decades....

Not sure hwo they expect to heat their homes or operate any industries.

Maybe they'll just shut it all down......