Snapshot of America: The Welfare State vs. Black Families

In an interview with Walter Williams, he describes what must change in order for Black Americans to move forward. Here’s a snippet:
During Reconstruction and up until the 1940s, 75% to 85% of black children lived in two-parent families. Today, more than 70% of black children are born to single women. “The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn’t do, what Jim Crow couldn’t do, what the harshest racism couldn’t do,” Mr. Williams says. “And that is to destroy the black family.”

69 Replies to “Snapshot of America: The Welfare State vs. Black Families”

  1. Same thing with First Nations people in Canada. Jack Layton and Pierre Trudeau want to destroy the Aboriginal culture and family.

  2. Black men and black men alone should be held accountable for the decline of the black family.
    All the rest is window dressing.

  3. And in Canada we have destroyed the Indians.
    Welfare: the destroyer of self-reliance, pride, self-esteem, common sense, social integrity and prosperity.

  4. There are a number of causes, I think. And I disagree with kursk with his reductionist causality of ‘the black man’ which provides no explanation other than the strange causal one of colour of skin.
    A basic cause was the role of the unions, which removed low skilled jobs from the black community, by union demands on industrial employment. This forced this type of industry off shore – India, China, etc.
    The type of employment available for this sector of the population became the criminal one: primarily based around drugs.
    A key factor of both lowskill and criminal employment is that you can enter it an an early age; there is no need to put off income earning, as so many do in ‘white’ or ‘asian’ groups until you are in the late 20s or 30s. This is an important issue.
    To offset the loss of lowskill jobs, the welfare state moved in to support the unskilled, lowskilled segment of the population. This meant that you could live without work; in fact, you were financially better off not working.
    Then, the welfare state actually financially rewarded single women for the number of children they had. This meant that rather than getting an education – which took years and cost money – you could live, now, just by having children. AND, being without a male partner.
    I’d suggest looking at these unforeseen results of various policies.

  5. Bill Cosby has talked about this before.
    Cosby challenged poor blacks by charging, “The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids—$500 for sneakers for what? And won’t spend $200 for ‘Hooked on Phonics.’” He ridiculed the poor English of the black ghetto: “They’re standing on the corner and they can’t speak English. I can’t even talk the way these people talk: ‘Why you ain’t,’ ‘Where you is.’ . . . And I blamed the kids until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk. . . . Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. . . . You can’t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth!” He suggested that African American criminals were being incarcerated not because of racism but because of crimes: “These are not political criminals. These are people going around stealing Coca-Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake and then we run out and we are outraged, [saying] ‘The cops shouldn’t have shot him.’ What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand?”
    […]
    “I travel the country and see these patterns in every community—stories of 12 year old children killed in the cross fire between knuckleheads selling drugs, the 14 year olds with a sealed envelope as their first step into the criminal justice system, the young males who become fathers and not held responsible, the young women having children and moving back in with their mothers and grandmothers, and the young people who choose not to learn standard English.
    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16899
    Has anyone heard anything noteworthy of him lately?
    Wanna bet the NAACP and ACORN told him to sit down and shut up.
    I admired him when he was on on the lecture circuit a few years back. He called it like he saw it.

  6. The black community vote about 90% for democrats, the very architects of the welfare state. They have only themselves to blame.
    As Bill Cosby has said many times, it is up to them to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and insist on standards being met.
    Have some pride in themselves and in their ability to make it on their own without depending on the welfare state to keep them.
    Look at any democrat run state and you see the complete and utter devastation of both the black and white communities ( read Detroit, for instance and all of Michigan )
    If we ever let the NDP or the Liberals run things in this country again, this is what they wish to do. Make everybody dependent on the state.
    We do not need Nannies. We need government to get out of the way.
    The black community has succumbed to the siren song of welfare and so have entire states like California. Black, White, Hispanic, it is all the same. When you get lazy and give up any sense of responsibility and allow the state to support you, you have given up any right to self government, either personally or collectively.
    This is what the statists want and what we must fight at all costs.

  7. A lot of these same points are germane to the discussion about Guaranteed Annual Income. If you’re going to be guaranteed an income to do nothing, what are we saying to the guy working 40hrs/week, 50weeks/year for a moderate income? We’re saying, “Sucker!”

  8. Almost everyone knows the left are racist Nazi’s that wish to enslave black people through welfare and destroy them through eugenics via Planned Parenthood and publicly paid for free abortions.
    That is why 51% of black babies are killed every year in the US by “Liberal” leftist.
    They lie, cheat, steal and manipulate to achieve their racists agenda’s. When that fails they resort to violence.
    No secret for anyone paying attention. The left has manipulated “minorities” into believing they are their friends thus gaining their vote and assisting in their own genetic and cultural suicide.

  9. to ET’s assertion that unions are much of the blame .. I will state that collectives of any kind are destructive to humanity. We are individuals and do our best working on our own and only sharing the fruits of labor or genius with others when it’s done.
    Collectives do work well with bees, ants, birds and so on because they do not have individuality as part of their nature. In effect, they are mindless participants in the collective.
    To force humans into collectives is to turn them into insects.
    Unions must be gotten rid of soon.

  10. They’ve done the self same thing to immigrants in Canada, the left pat themselves on the back for their tolerance and diversity whilst constructing vast racial and religious ghettos of poverty and misery. Their cradle to grave welfare policy has created two generations of lazy welfare hoes who have children for the benifits, most don’t have a clue who fathered their kids.

  11. ‘Knight 99’, I don’t disagree with much of what you said but use of the term “Nazi” is just bringing yourself down to the same level of the trolls on here and the regulars at the Daily Kos.

  12. Kursk>
    “Black men and black men alone should be held accountable for the decline of the black family”.
    Agreed, everyone should be responsible for their actions. Yet you cannot let the enablers of the black problems slide away so easily. The “liberal” left has nurtured the environment for bad weeds to grow, while literally killing their the unborn, then allowing and promoting the intoxication, drug dependency of the youth with subsequent jailing and loss of family structure.
    They humiliate black people with generational welfare dependence and Affirmative Action by keep them trapped in a system of dependence and “back of the bus” employment opportunities. The underachievers will never climb regardless of the forced employment and hedged scholastic achievements.
    They degrade society as a whole with black crime and an inferior work force of their creation. The only question is – was this by Lefty Anarchist design or by simple Liberal stupidity?

  13. ET, My ‘reductionist’ statement is the plain naked truth.
    You provide the window dressing.
    Black men have a culture of ‘find’em, f*ck’em and Flee ’em’ and you can try to explain it any way you want..
    How about they like to do it and that nobody holds them accountable?

  14. Robert W. (Vancouver)>
    “use of the term “Nazi” is just bringing yourself down to the same level of the trolls on here”
    Probably, and unfortunate if viewed that way, the intention was to desensitize the hypocritical label thrown so frequently by the left at conservative thought and politics. It was meant as a reminder that it is the left that holds much closer ideological views of the real Nazi’s and in fact puts some of those views to practice when it comes to black people i.e. eugenics & stealth segregation.

  15. Further to this, why do some non-whites succeed?
    Asians, for example, statistically do better academically.
    If that’s too general a statement, they sure seem not to be a major part of any protest movement.
    Their self-sufficiency gives a lie to those who say the white man is an oppressor.

  16. The simple truth is that if you reward bad behaviour you will get more bad behaviour. If you encourage a young man to father children without taking responsibility for those children young men will father children with taking responsibility for them. If you encourage a young woman to have children without first creating an intact home don’t be surprised if you have lots of children being born into broken or non-existing families.
    Although the liberals in our midst love to use the Christian concept of ‘We are our brother’s keepers’, they don’t like to obey another Christian maxim, ‘let him who does not work, not eat’.

  17. Folks, I don’t disagree with your technical accuracy of associating the modern Left with National Socialists but using the term “Nazi” gives so much ammunition (OMG can I use that word nowadays, John “No Crosshairs” King?) to refute you, completely ignoring your point in the process.
    That’s all I was trying to say.

  18. Robert;
    I don’t know if you can check the spam filter or not,but I’m hung on a comment post.If not, don’t worry.
    Thanks

  19. Kursk, you are making the assumption that the “black man” you shame wanted to be part of a family. Black females are just as guilty, even worse, as it is their body, their choice. Remember?

  20. The proof of Liberal ill intent towards the Black man is Multiculturalism. The real losers in Liberal multiculturalism are the Black and Indigenous person’s of NA.
    Does anyone really believe that once NA becomes a majority non-white continent that Native American treaties will be honoured or even acknowledgement of Black civil rights?
    You will find no white guilt and no white obligation by Islam, the Mexican’s, or the Chinese who will one day come to dominate the continent! Quite the opposite.
    The Black Man and Indian should be fighting to keep the European white power structure with every fibre of their being if they wish to enjoy their current entitlements and not the racist slavery the other groups have proven throughout history and present day.

  21. The welfare state is very destructive to black families, but the war on drugs is even worse. It lures young black men into the criminal world and then rips apart families by jailing those young black men.

  22. Mr Williams is spot on. Robert W, thank you for the link to “Requiem for Detroit” – it draws a tear to my eye growing up on 12 Mile and I-75 (4 miles) north of Detroit. What is not said in the video is that the unions were 98% responsible for the demise of Detroit. I could only tell you the stories…I’ve got to shut down now, thank you.

  23. In the late 1960’s Saskatchewan Liberal Premier Ross Thatcher wanted to move the aboriginal people in Northern Saskatchewan off of welfare and into productive self reliance. He believed the best way to do this was through good paying jobs in the forest industry. Thatcher oversaw the construction of both the Prince Albert Pulp Mill AND the Dore Lake Pulp Mill. While everyone in Saskatchewan has heard of the Prince Albert Pulp Mill, only a few remember the Dore Lake Pulp Mill. There’s a reason for that.
    In 1971 Allan Blakeney and the NDP were elected to power in Saskatchewan. With in days Blakeney put a halt to the Dore Lake Pulp Mill – despite the fact it was nearly half completed – ensuring the people of the North would remain dependent upon the nanny state and thus more likely to vote for a socialist government.
    35 years later NDP Premier Lorne Calvert oversaw the closing of the Prince Albert Pulp Mill.
    Amazingly, the NDP have managed to erase the Dore Lake Pulp Mill from history. But I know about and I won’t rest until I have exposed every skeleton in the CCF/NDP closet.

  24. I found Bill Cosby is still getting his message out to black America.
    He may be sitting down now once in a while (he’s 72 or so)but he hasn’t shut up.
    Good for him.
    This is from the dailycomet .com and datelined NEW ORLEANS July 4 2010. (the direct link gets caught I think)
    Bill Cosby on education, responsibility at Essence
    “We’ve got to lay it out for them,” Cosby said when asked about how to help cut the rate of teen pregnancies in America. “Let’s tell them about life. You’re 14 and having sex. OK. So, what kind of job do you have?”
    He then told the story of how a woman asked her son one day where he had been. “The boy said ‘uh, uh, no where.’ She asked him again, where he’d been. Again, he said, ‘uh, uh, no where. I ain’t doing nothing.’ She said, boy, where you been? Finally, he told her he was on the corner, hanging out.
    “The woman looked at him and told him, ‘If you’re not in the picture, you can’t be framed.”
    (Robert; Thanks for checking)

  25. libertariansaresmarter >
    “……. but the war on drugs is even worse”.
    Then let’s ask who is responsible for the drugs?
    My selected answer is – the users. If agreed on, then who are the users that continue to finance the drug trade? The one’s who demand an escape from reality, who feel that it’s their right to get high when and where they please?
    The answer is not every man woman and child living in the western world as starters……

  26. It could be said that “70% of black children are born to single women” is a tragedy of catastrophic proportions, without trying to be dramatic.
    For some reason, the AGW, the unbearable burden of the Liberal MP from Scarborough-Agincourt, Ont. , Keeping Up with the Kardashians , Paris Hilton (who ever he is) declares victory in Iraq, Jamie Lynn (who ever she is) believed she couldn’t get pregnant, and other such important things are important and that’s that. Nothing other matters.
    This is a laboratory case, where one can say, and support the argument, that the politicians, the do-gooders and other assorted warm and fuzzy idiots destroyed once self-reliant culture with intrinsic self worth that is the human existence and utterly destroyed the human spirit in a whole segment of population.
    Sad part is that it will take a generation, if it started today, to recover even fraction of the population from this state. Though it seem that there is no one to start the process. Other sad part is that the affected population will no doubt think that those that want to change things are rich, selfish, racists and must be stopped. How else could the justice brothers (certain Jackson and certain Sharpton) live the life of luxury without having to actually work.

  27. Funny how the article doesn’t mention that the birth rate for unwed black mothers has actually been steadily decreasing for the last 40 years.
    Of course, when the guy conflates “unwed” and “single”, I guess you can’t expect too much from him.

  28. ET:
    Manufacturing employs people of all colors outsourcing didn’t destroy the while family. I think the allure of urban culture has been far more pernicious and detrimental to them e.g. academic achievement being associated with “whiteness”.
    Plus getting paid to have children isn’t a sufficient explanation for the illegitimacy problems in the black community. They could be like that one British family, still intact but full of kids so the government can pay for their BMW.
    Not that I don’t believe those policies are having an adverse effect on us because I do. It’s just that I think their problems are exacerbated by other factors 😛
    Libertarians:
    Oooookay… running with your assertion you then have to ask what lures black youth into the drug trade? Presumably it’s the high rents they collect from doing risky illegal activities. Then if you end the erm..”war” on drugs and manage to increase availability/efficiency to push down prices then wouldn’t the black youth seek out a different illegal activity? Because then they might as well be selling jeans, chocolate bars and TV and other crap right?
    Besides I’d rather buy my bowlfuls of cocaine for my orgies from a high service establishment with beautiful women than from a sketchy illiterate dude packing heat under his down jacket ok? I’ll pay extra for that service even. So where’s a guy like that going to find work in the our glorious new paradise of readily available cocaine and assault weapons? [Yes I want a end to unreasonable prohibitions of tools of mayhem]

  29. @Knight99: WRONG. It’s the government that’s responsible for the War on Drugs, as well as authoritarians like you. You don’t even get an A for effort.

  30. On a similar note, if anyone’s interested, starting yesterday, the National Post is running a week-long series on the demise of personal responsibiity. In Sat’s edition, Conrad Black describes the rise of the nanny state.
    He includes this quote (not his):
    “I have total admiration for those who are working, total sympathy for those looking for work, and total contempt for those who won’t work.”

  31. If you accept that humanity is basically very lazy you can appreciate this trait can be our greatest strength or weakness depending under which political system you live.
    Race has very little to do with it. If you are taking more from society than you put in then ultimately your society will implode. People point at blacks, Indians and eastIndians and think they are the problem. Whether the issue is cultural or not I can find whites in all parts of Canada who are no better.
    A bigger fraud is the moral compass that many feel will ‘right the ship’ in Canada. I would suggest that there is no moral compass and hasn’t been for at least 40 years. Morals won’t return until the significance of ‘treating your neighbour as you would be treated’ reasserts itself.

  32. Schools again: it’s not spoken aloud, but the behaviour of a critical mass of black students is rebellious, aggressive, rude, and entitled. Most of these students do not have their father in the home. It seems that discipline and supervision are lax: many of the mothers are aggressive and unintelligent, and will push back hard if their kids are disciplined. Official response? Don’t discipline these students.
    Then the lie that “It’s not their fault, so we can’t hold them accountable” is actually embedded in special education—where a lot of these kids end up—protocols. E.g., If black troublemakers are in special education programs, it’s not their fault and so the principal has “discretion” to waive the set consequences. So, the consequences are usually waived, on political grounds—so as not to rile the kids or their irresponsible parents. How is that helpful to anyone?
    I taught a lot of these kids: I really cared about them and worked very hard to accommodate their needs and strengths. We got along very well. I stayed away from the office, set high standards, guided my students to achieve them, and gave consequences for non-compliance. Guess what? These students behaved and improved academically: their self-esteem improved too—they EARNED it. Without a firm hand, it was easy for these kids, who lacked a lot of self-discipline, to focus on success. Letting them off the hook is absolutely the worst thing one can do: not holding these kids to account shows a huge lack of respect for their integrity as human beings. As far as I’m concerned, by not disciplining these students (and, yes, the Charter’s a huge spanner in the works here), the educational establishment victimizes these kids twice: they arrive at school undisciplined and not ready to learn, and are then abandoned again—by the very adults who are charged, by law, to look out for their best interests. What’s happening here is an utter travesty. These kids and the rest of us deserve far better.

  33. Alex:
    Um, conflating “unwed” and “single” moms? Last time I checked, I didn’t see a huge influx of widowed or divorced teenage black mothers. So, while I’ll agree it’s not strictly accurate to equate the two terms, your pretending that there is some huge de facto differentiation is no more than posturing.
    You also mention that the birth rate for unwed black teenagers has been steadily decreasing for the last 40 years. Did anything significant happen in that regard about, say, 38 years ago?
    Oh, yes! That was when the SOCUS created the “right to privacy” out of thin air (funny that the same “right” doesn’t apply to the inhalation of burned plant vapours, but I digress..) in the execrable Roe v Wade decision. As a result, many young women choose the abortion alternative, or, as we used to say, they kill their children.
    Ten Facts About Teen Pregnancy
    6. Out of all teenage pregnancies, 29% are terminated by abortion.
    7. Black teens have the highest teen pregnancy rate.
    For young women age 15-19, black teens are most likely to become pregnant (134 per 1,000 women). Slightly lower rates occur among Hispanics (131 per 1,000) followed by non-Hispanic whites (48 per 1,000).
    Since I understand you’re numerically challenged, Alex, let me help you here – 134/48 = 2.8. That is, black girls under 19 become pregnant at nearly 3 times the rate of white girls. Most people with an understanding of basic statistics look at that number as evidence of a very real and qualitative difference, not as a product of chance.
    Assuming, Alex, that you’re actually interested in learning about this phenomenon, as opposed to just trying (and failing, BTW) to score cheap points, you might be interested in:
    Origin of the Underclass – Part 1
    and
    Origin of the Underclass – Part 2
    Both of the above articles were written in 1986, some TWENTY-FIVE years ago, when I first read them. Then please refer to the original post above, and tell me how anything has changed in the last quarter century.
    I’ll be here.

  34. ET, you’re most welcome. Thank YOU!
    It breaks my heart and royally p1sses me off that the powers that be are abandoning these black kids and the rest of us on the altar of expediency. (Principals make about $116 000—and more. What the superintendents and directors make—for NOT doing one of their most important jobs—is ludicrous.) The price we’re all going to pay for this—and I don’t mean just the obscene amount of taxpayer dollars—will be astronomical.
    I’ve just come home from church. So, another thought from me: in the West, nearly all families, including black families, used to be overwhelmingly Christian. They understood the idea of legitimate AUTHORITY, the truth of right and wrong, and the importance of self-discipline and hard work.
    Now that the socialist democracies of the West have overwhelmingly turned their backs on our Christian heritage—except for the West’s gross misunderstanding of the Judeo-Christian idea of fairness and equality: it’s not free!!—what’s happened? The very idea of legitimate authority has been replaced by self-referential entitlement. Truth? Forget it: I decide my own truth—even though, via our dumbed down educational systems, I’m most likely an ignoramus and very shallow thinker. Self-discipline and hard work? Why bother if there’s no shame—yeah, along with Christianity, that’s gone out the window too—I’ll get by via affirmative action promotions, and someone else will pay the bills?
    The destruction of the family is at the heart of the Marxist plot: once the family—the best teacher of discipline, self-reliance, independence, LOVE, and FIDELITY—is done away with, the state can take over the sheeple. (This brings to mind the beautiful parable of Jesus going back to find the one lost sheep out of 100: He understands how weak and sheep-like we humans are. Without a loving shepherd, like our parents, who is willing to sacrifice him/herself for the good of the sheep—the state WILL sacrifice the sheep for its own good!—individuals are extremely vulnerable to the predations of the wolf.)
    All of us are suffering as a result of the Me-Me-Me dogmas that have replaced the Judeo-Christian “Love thy neighbour as thyself” commandment. In North America, blacks and black families have suffered even more than whites and white families. We all need to wake up and smarten up, but the “I Am My Own God” philosophy and the state is my place of worship mindset are not likely to either waken or smarten us up.
    Kyrie eleison.
    P.S. A fine group in Canada, reviled and rejected, like Sarah Palin, is REAL Women of Canada.
    Under the indomitable Gwen Landolt, mother of five and lawyer, REAL Women has spoken knowledgeably about the attacks on the traditional family for nearly three decades. Via lobbying and intervening in Supreme Court cases (at their own expense: feminists and gay activists have usually had their expenses paid by the taxpayer), REAL Woman has been like the Good Fairy in Sleeping Beauty: it has attempted to ameliorate some of the worst feminist and gay activist assaults on the traditional family. Though scorned and rejected by all the elites, REAL Women’s voice has been prophetic and it’s been proven to be correct just about 100% of the time.

  35. If people want to talk responsibility, how about we start directing some of that at women.
    Why should only black men be held accountable? Are women incompetent when it comes to accountability?
    Krusk says that “black men have a culture of…” well who are raising those boys into men? Fathers have been kicked out of the family picture because they’re not needed. This lays at the feet of women. We live in a culture where the man and father are viewed as disposable. A walking wallet and nothing more. Those women are the ones who decide who they have sex with, those women are the ones who decide whether or not a father stays in the life of his child, whether he wants to be a part of it or not. Those young men have no male role models to look up to (meaning their fathers) because his role was deemed useless. You want to know should be held accountable? Its the group saying “We don’t need a man, we’re strong, independent women, you go grrrrl”

  36. selkie I agree with you! I wrote, just above: “. . . it’s not spoken aloud, but the behaviour of a critical mass of black students is rebellious, aggressive, rude, and entitled. Most of these students do not have their father in the home. It seems that discipline and supervision are lax: many of the mothers are aggressive and unintelligent, and will push back hard if their kids are disciplined [at school].”
    IMO, the crux of the matter here is MARRIAGE: as the secular West has devalued this institution in favour of easy sex, feminism (as in men are second class and expendable), abortion on demand, easy divorce, common-law as equal to marriage, surrogate parenthood, and homosexual “marriage”—lawful polygamy comes next, folks!—our children are further and further removed from the possibility of living with their own parents. And, how old fashioned of me, I believe kids really need BOTH parents. The kind of feminism, which shoved men aside and aggrandized women, has done a huge amount of harm. But not having a foundation—it used to be Judeo-Christian morality—from which to fight this insidiousness, society just caved.
    Traditional marriage demands a whole skill set—going more than 50-50, patience, perseverance, trust, fidelity, not always putting one’s own wishes first, etc.—that no longer resonates with the Me Generation. The tried and true rules around sex and marriage have been tossed out—and our kids are really suffering because of the selfish desires of their parents, who are now given carte blanche—sanctioned by our “evolving” laws and the “no shame”, laissez faire attitudes of society—to do whatever they damn well please: “Sorry kids, it’s about US, not you.” (Saying this out loud is considered very bad form.) Our poor children.

  37. Nonsense. Given that well over a quarter of marriages end in divorce, marriage is clearly overrated as a familial bond. Of course, you COULD propose that divorce be made illegal, but a child in a single-parent household is infinitely better off than a child stuck in an abusive household where the parents only stay together because they can’t get divorced.
    Of course, your rant against common-law and gay marriage betrays your true motives; you’re opposed to any arrangements which don’t meet with the hardline christian definition of “marriage” and base your opposition on religious grounds. You only use statistics to prop up your argument where applicable, and ignore them the rest of the time. It’s worth pointing out that Muslim nations have some of the lowest divorce and single-parent rates in the world, yet hardly turn out our idea of ideal children.

  38. libertariansaresmarter>
    “It’s the government that’s responsible for the War on Drugs, as well as authoritarians like you”
    Wrong back at you.
    What part of you is the “Libertarian” in your moniker? No individual responsibility and wanting government to solve all your problems? Obviously the War on Drugs has failed, and there are more drugs and addicts per capita than at another time in American history. There needs to be a cultural change to stop drug addiction and it begins with stopping the easy acceptance of drugs by the mainstream that finances the profits at the consumer level.
    The left doesn’t want this, because at the core they are generally the users. They want their drugs on one hand and want to disarm the public on another. It’s purely selfish and hypocritical when you want your freedoms but deny others theirs. Through the funding of the drug trade the millions of drug using yuppies in society keep the drug wars and ghetto’s open for business.
    I’m not an authoritarian, I could be somewhat labelled as a Libertarian, constitutionalist, conservative. Saying that the government is responsible and not the individual for cultural irresponsibility’s is a defeatist and dependant attitude.

  39. Bilge, Alex, as usual. What statistics? What rant? And I guess you didn’t notice my inclusion of polygamy in the parental choices that don’t work very well for kids. Smarten up.

  40. Excellent comments, lookout, with which I fully agree.
    Proverbs says, “Without a vision, the people perish.”
    We in the West have lost our vision which, for the past 2000 years, has been based on our (Judeo-)Christian faith. Marriage and the nuclear (not the whatever-)family have always been central to our communal life, which emphasized the safety, health, and well-being of each individual and, therefore, the collective good.
    As you say, lookout, and as I’ve said many times, “love your neighbour as yourself,” as the basic tenet by which we govern our lives, has been a stalwart pillar of our civilization and our civility — and more, our charity — towards one another. Now that that’s gone by the wayside, courtesy of our no-God, socialist zeitgeist, we’re in very great trouble.
    Without a vision, the people perish.
    Verdad.

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