Québec: “When will the RoC wake up and smell the poutine?”
Meanwhile this mother country may have increasingly to rely on…
Good froggies!
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Time for the RoC to get off its arse with a little poll:
Dear PQ. Nothing but the best, but it’s time for you to piss off.
Agree ___
Disagree ___
Quebec’s connivance in the scuttling of the parliamentary seat redistribution is just more evidence that no one has the courage to stop this constant blackmail.
…The federal Conservatives introduced a much-needed bill to add 30 seats in the Commons to eliminate the chronic under-representation of voters in Ontario, Alberta and British Columbia, but have quietly sidelined it to avoid angering Quebec. Again, there’s been little outcry…”
oh my. this on stephen harpers watch?
I once tried to drum up interest in the notion that agreement be drawn up between queerbec and the roc to whit:
a successful referendum must be ratified. if the ratification passes the roc is the first nation to recognize the new entrant on the list of nations; if it fails queerbec gets to STFU for the next 50 years and stop damaging foreign investment, causing ripple effect costs etc etc.
no one, repeat no one thought it would go anywhere and it occurred to me they were absolutely right because queerbac *already has what it wants with the status quo*.
harper is a wuss for allowing this situation to continue. the right wing supports a wuss.
@ beagle
Very strange that a person who only a few threads ago railed against the narrow minded nature of the SDA populous would use a homophobic ad hominem in regards to Quebec.
It kind of diminishes your valid point that Quebec has become the spoiled stepchild of confederation.
Quebec has very few French people living there – most of the people who live in Quebec only ‘speak Fwench’; any Frenchmen are the descendants of subjects of the King of France. The settlers of Quebec were immigrants, just like us in the ROC, but because the English were stretched too thin when they took over Quebec, they ‘allowed’ the people in Quebec to keep their language and religion (Roman Catholic). Irish immigrants, who had a real axe to grind with England, were Roman Catholic and had been put through the mill in Ireland for retaining that religion. All the Irish people had to do to keep their religion and rub it in the English noses, was learn French (not very different from the Celtic language). Irish Quebecers had my sympathy in the past; they no longer do because Canada is not a British colony anymore – we just speak English.
I do regret losing my respect for the Irish/Scottish descendants who learned French and settled in Quebec. The Quebecers of today do not have any steel in their spines and no fire in their souls. They are beggars who live off the ROC; that is pathetic. These leaches would shame their brave ancestors who came to Canada on Death ships and built a place for themselves in wilderness among strange people who spoke the King’s French.
My Scottish ancestors had no love for England or English Monarchy but once they settled in Canada they became Canadian and respected the English immigrants and the native Indian people, and people who came here to live from other parts of the world. The people who immigrate to Canada today are looking for a ‘free meal’; not a chance to be a free and independent citizen with property that they own and that the gument is sworn to defend. The immigrants to Quebec, today, have added to the Albatross problem, since Quebec is Queen of the whining demanding blackmailing, needy spoiled brat syndrome and the new Quebers learn by example.
I would be in favor of a referendum that gave all of Canada the right to vote in a Quebec/Western Canada separation agreement. As far as I am concerned Canada is a ‘land poor’ nation; too much property and not enough people. A break up of the nation into smaller parcels would be beneficial, IMO.
I can see only one solution. Concerned citizens in each province in the ROC must start a new federal party exactly along the lines of BQ, e.g. The Bloc Quebecois of Alberta. These parties would, just as the Bloc, have Quebec leaving confederation as their reason for existence.
Quebec’s true colours would be exposed, as I would bet dollars to donuts that these new parties would be seen by Quebec as enemies rather than allies.
It sure would be fun to watch though! … and could only be a win/win situation for the ROC. Any takers?
Perhaps Louis Armstrong put it best:
Let her go, let her go, God bless her,
Wherever she may be,
She can look this wide world over,
She’ll never find a sweet man like me.
I think the PQ debate is farcical. The real issue is; (a) economic: Ontario needs Quebec to be able to dominate the RoC. Has been that way for +200 years. Just a question of when the West gathers the gonads to walk away. (b) Multi-culturalism: Which has bought votes for primarily the Libs at taxpayer expense. How are the Natives, Metis and immigrants any different than Quebecers?
(c) Federal government operations: Are completely dominated by special interest groups. Name what function or process. Quebecers in particular not only staff functions but also manage them in a far higher porportion than their population would suggest.
The BQ and PQ are simply visiable manifestations of a far bigger problem. People in Eastern Canada are either part of this gravy train or have simply lived with it so long that they think it is their manifest destiny or just the way it is.
beginning to think beagle should be spelt bipolar.
Quebec has “very few French people living there”? They are 80% of the population. Outside Montreal, they are effectively the entire population. A significant proportion of them – likely a slight majority, though I’ve never seen authoritative figures – are what they call “pur laine”, which means they have no non-French ancestors at all. Very, very few immigrants assimilate into the French population.
“homophobic ad hominem”
queerbecers are heavy into the artsy fartsy thing. you can see it as an avenue of their expression of a different culture.
artsy fartsy types are very gay.
I wonder when gilles duceppe will show up in the HOC wearing leather….
I was cheering for the pseudo-separatists in 1995, as in don’t let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.
“Successive Canadian prime ministers have appointed and nominated Quebec politicians to high government positions who supported and voted for the most dangerous pro-separatist law ever enacted by the Quebec National Assembly. ” http://www.whycanadamustend.com/Chapter%204.htm
Yet another reason why I want Saskatchewan out of the “Deranged Dominion”
ebt – read things in context and read some history – European History too so you will be able to assess the underlying causes of problems. Assessing situations in the present, using only currant data flaws conclusions every time! Take the time to ponder how France was ‘supporting’ Quebec (a French colony, and named for King Louis IV, to boot!) when they were busy lopping the heads off their Kings? All potential immigrants were in the army, a few years later all potential immigrants were in Napoleon’s army. Most French immigrants moved to Louisiana prior to the French Revolution (also a French colony). Did you ever wonder why the people in Louisiana do not have French as their official language and perks to make them feel ‘welcome’ in the good old USA? Alaska belonged to Russia before it was sold in 1967 – why don’t the Alaskans have Russian as their ‘official’ state language? You spin with the touchy feely lingo “pure laine’ etc but you fail to back up your jinko with facts and rational. Socrates called this type of reason rhetoric. Still a good term after all these years, IMO.
Sorry for the double post Kate. Louisiana was named for King Louis IV, not Quebec. I edited in the wrong sentence, ruined my own rant!
I long for the day that a majority government can be elected in this country without support from Quebec. That is the day Quebecois will have to decide whether sovereignty is worth more to them than transfer payments from the Government of Canada that make possible such things as $7 a day daycare. I can assure the Quebecois that a governing federal party that has no Quebec reps will be under tremendous pressure from those who elected it to end the bribes to la bell province. This event will also send a clear signal to Quebec that we in ROC can no longer be shaken down by threats of separation. At that point Quebec will have to accept that it is a province comme les autres or it can bugger off.
I think that happy electoral event draws ever nearer thanks to the westward shift of political and economic power in Canada. Can’t you just imagine the lamentations and hand-wringing in the lamestream media when it does.
“Alaska belonged to Russia before it was sold in 1967 – why don’t the Alaskans have Russian as their ‘official’ state language”
1867.
I’m willing to make amends on America’s behalf for the Alaska Purchase by selling Quebec to Russia for the same price the Yanks paid for Alaska,$7.2 million,plus GST,of course.
beagle at 2:09 AM
I detest the Quebec nationalists and what they stand for just as much as you do. However, I believe little or no attention should be paid to anyone using childish terms like “queerbec” in attempting to make a point. Again, I am anti-Quebec nationalism and I am straight rather than queer. Either way, I have no axe to grind. I only suggest that you quit destroying your otherwise useful comments by using childish terms.
Not my country so not my place to criticize. I will mention though that I had some equipment made in quebec. I needed new motors and called the company to see about ordering such. The young lady answering the phone refused to speak english or to transfer me to someone who would. I gave up and junked the equipment and make sure nowadays that I never buy anything produced in quebec.
Had enought to drink, jema? That was some impressively addled ranting. The Louis Quebec business actually contributed. Don’t take me amiss, friend, I’m half in the bag myself tonight.
The ethnic composition of Quebec is a matter of fact, not rhetoric. If I’m wrong, refute me. Problem is, I’m not wrong.
If your point was that there are very few French CITIZENS in Quebec, well, you really should have said so in the first place. We’d have been spared a pointless quarrel.
As to Louisiana and Alaska, these were not the subjects of discussion, nor are they areas of interest to me. But I can’t help thinking that if more than 80% of the population of Louisiana were French people, all of them the direct descendants of French from the time of the French regime, then yes, I think they’d be speaking French there. Much the same would go for Russians in Alaska. Of course I don’t know, and neither do you, since in fact nothing at all like that is actually the case. But I can’t help noticing that a much smaller, but still signifigant, proportion of the population of Hawaii are ethnic Hawaiians, direct descendants of residents under the Hawaiian regime, and they speak the language. So perhaps we can extrapolate.
That “touchy feely lingo” by the way, is a little thing called “French”. You may have heard of it? Sadly, I suspect it has no future, so I enjoy it while it lasts.
ebt – when the USA bought Louisiana, over 80% of the population were French speaking descendants of French King’s subjects, Prior to 1867, Alaska was a colony of Russia and people in Alaska spoke Russian; all business was conducted in Russian. The Russian Missionaries translated the Native Indian languages into Russian. Didn’t you ever wonder about the unpronounceable names of some places in the Yukon, NWT and Alaska? Where did a name like Inuvik come from; it came from the Russian translation of a Native Indian word! All history must be read with a knowledge of con currant events and realities of the times or it cannot ever make sense or be of any use to the reader. Canadian History is not an exception to this rule.
It’s not that I dispute what you’re saying, jema, it’s just that I can see no reason at all for you to be saying it. I don’t doubt that there were times when indeed 80% of the population of Louisiana was indigenous French. And, in those times, they spoke French in Louisiana. Those times are long gone. Of course, there never was a time when any appreciable portion of the population of Alaska were Russian, but when the Russians ran it, I have no doubt business was done in Russian.
These things are – oh, what’s that term you’re so fond of? – yes, that’s it, history. It’s just not like that now. There’s a difference between knowing history and living in the past.
What any of this has to do with the fact that 80% of Quebec is French Canadian is well beyond me.
My point is that most Quebers are not descendants of French people – they are descendants of ‘other’ like the people in the ROC. They should not be demanding or given any special consideration from other provinces.
And you are entirely wrong about that. The vast majority of Quebeckers are French, the direct descendants of the original French population. This doesn’t justify any of our policies towards Quebec, most of which are clearly nuts. But the French Canadians are a distinct people. They are not Canadians like the rest of us. And to attempt to compel them to change would be in practice impossible, even if it could be morally justified (and it can’t).
Time for the RoC to get off its arse with a little poll:
Dear PQ. Nothing but the best, but it’s time for you to piss off.
Agree ___
Disagree ___
Quebec’s connivance in the scuttling of the parliamentary seat redistribution is just more evidence that no one has the courage to stop this constant blackmail.
…The federal Conservatives introduced a much-needed bill to add 30 seats in the Commons to eliminate the chronic under-representation of voters in Ontario, Alberta and British Columbia, but have quietly sidelined it to avoid angering Quebec. Again, there’s been little outcry…”
oh my. this on stephen harpers watch?
I once tried to drum up interest in the notion that agreement be drawn up between queerbec and the roc to whit:
a successful referendum must be ratified. if the ratification passes the roc is the first nation to recognize the new entrant on the list of nations; if it fails queerbec gets to STFU for the next 50 years and stop damaging foreign investment, causing ripple effect costs etc etc.
no one, repeat no one thought it would go anywhere and it occurred to me they were absolutely right because queerbac *already has what it wants with the status quo*.
harper is a wuss for allowing this situation to continue. the right wing supports a wuss.
@ beagle
Very strange that a person who only a few threads ago railed against the narrow minded nature of the SDA populous would use a homophobic ad hominem in regards to Quebec.
It kind of diminishes your valid point that Quebec has become the spoiled stepchild of confederation.
Quebec has very few French people living there – most of the people who live in Quebec only ‘speak Fwench’; any Frenchmen are the descendants of subjects of the King of France. The settlers of Quebec were immigrants, just like us in the ROC, but because the English were stretched too thin when they took over Quebec, they ‘allowed’ the people in Quebec to keep their language and religion (Roman Catholic). Irish immigrants, who had a real axe to grind with England, were Roman Catholic and had been put through the mill in Ireland for retaining that religion. All the Irish people had to do to keep their religion and rub it in the English noses, was learn French (not very different from the Celtic language). Irish Quebecers had my sympathy in the past; they no longer do because Canada is not a British colony anymore – we just speak English.
I do regret losing my respect for the Irish/Scottish descendants who learned French and settled in Quebec. The Quebecers of today do not have any steel in their spines and no fire in their souls. They are beggars who live off the ROC; that is pathetic. These leaches would shame their brave ancestors who came to Canada on Death ships and built a place for themselves in wilderness among strange people who spoke the King’s French.
My Scottish ancestors had no love for England or English Monarchy but once they settled in Canada they became Canadian and respected the English immigrants and the native Indian people, and people who came here to live from other parts of the world. The people who immigrate to Canada today are looking for a ‘free meal’; not a chance to be a free and independent citizen with property that they own and that the gument is sworn to defend. The immigrants to Quebec, today, have added to the Albatross problem, since Quebec is Queen of the whining demanding blackmailing, needy spoiled brat syndrome and the new Quebers learn by example.
I would be in favor of a referendum that gave all of Canada the right to vote in a Quebec/Western Canada separation agreement. As far as I am concerned Canada is a ‘land poor’ nation; too much property and not enough people. A break up of the nation into smaller parcels would be beneficial, IMO.
I can see only one solution. Concerned citizens in each province in the ROC must start a new federal party exactly along the lines of BQ, e.g. The Bloc Quebecois of Alberta. These parties would, just as the Bloc, have Quebec leaving confederation as their reason for existence.
Quebec’s true colours would be exposed, as I would bet dollars to donuts that these new parties would be seen by Quebec as enemies rather than allies.
It sure would be fun to watch though! … and could only be a win/win situation for the ROC. Any takers?
Perhaps Louis Armstrong put it best:
Let her go, let her go, God bless her,
Wherever she may be,
She can look this wide world over,
She’ll never find a sweet man like me.
I think the PQ debate is farcical. The real issue is; (a) economic: Ontario needs Quebec to be able to dominate the RoC. Has been that way for +200 years. Just a question of when the West gathers the gonads to walk away. (b) Multi-culturalism: Which has bought votes for primarily the Libs at taxpayer expense. How are the Natives, Metis and immigrants any different than Quebecers?
(c) Federal government operations: Are completely dominated by special interest groups. Name what function or process. Quebecers in particular not only staff functions but also manage them in a far higher porportion than their population would suggest.
The BQ and PQ are simply visiable manifestations of a far bigger problem. People in Eastern Canada are either part of this gravy train or have simply lived with it so long that they think it is their manifest destiny or just the way it is.
beginning to think beagle should be spelt bipolar.
Quebec has “very few French people living there”? They are 80% of the population. Outside Montreal, they are effectively the entire population. A significant proportion of them – likely a slight majority, though I’ve never seen authoritative figures – are what they call “pur laine”, which means they have no non-French ancestors at all. Very, very few immigrants assimilate into the French population.
“homophobic ad hominem”
queerbecers are heavy into the artsy fartsy thing. you can see it as an avenue of their expression of a different culture.
artsy fartsy types are very gay.
I wonder when gilles duceppe will show up in the HOC wearing leather….
I was cheering for the pseudo-separatists in 1995, as in don’t let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.
“Successive Canadian prime ministers have appointed and nominated Quebec politicians to high government positions who supported and voted for the most dangerous pro-separatist law ever enacted by the Quebec National Assembly. ”
http://www.whycanadamustend.com/Chapter%204.htm
Yet another reason why I want Saskatchewan out of the “Deranged Dominion”
ebt – read things in context and read some history – European History too so you will be able to assess the underlying causes of problems. Assessing situations in the present, using only currant data flaws conclusions every time! Take the time to ponder how France was ‘supporting’ Quebec (a French colony, and named for King Louis IV, to boot!) when they were busy lopping the heads off their Kings? All potential immigrants were in the army, a few years later all potential immigrants were in Napoleon’s army. Most French immigrants moved to Louisiana prior to the French Revolution (also a French colony). Did you ever wonder why the people in Louisiana do not have French as their official language and perks to make them feel ‘welcome’ in the good old USA? Alaska belonged to Russia before it was sold in 1967 – why don’t the Alaskans have Russian as their ‘official’ state language? You spin with the touchy feely lingo “pure laine’ etc but you fail to back up your jinko with facts and rational. Socrates called this type of reason rhetoric. Still a good term after all these years, IMO.
Sorry for the double post Kate. Louisiana was named for King Louis IV, not Quebec. I edited in the wrong sentence, ruined my own rant!
I long for the day that a majority government can be elected in this country without support from Quebec. That is the day Quebecois will have to decide whether sovereignty is worth more to them than transfer payments from the Government of Canada that make possible such things as $7 a day daycare. I can assure the Quebecois that a governing federal party that has no Quebec reps will be under tremendous pressure from those who elected it to end the bribes to la bell province. This event will also send a clear signal to Quebec that we in ROC can no longer be shaken down by threats of separation. At that point Quebec will have to accept that it is a province comme les autres or it can bugger off.
I think that happy electoral event draws ever nearer thanks to the westward shift of political and economic power in Canada. Can’t you just imagine the lamentations and hand-wringing in the lamestream media when it does.
“Alaska belonged to Russia before it was sold in 1967 – why don’t the Alaskans have Russian as their ‘official’ state language”
1867.
I’m willing to make amends on America’s behalf for the Alaska Purchase by selling Quebec to Russia for the same price the Yanks paid for Alaska,$7.2 million,plus GST,of course.
beagle at 2:09 AM
I detest the Quebec nationalists and what they stand for just as much as you do. However, I believe little or no attention should be paid to anyone using childish terms like “queerbec” in attempting to make a point. Again, I am anti-Quebec nationalism and I am straight rather than queer. Either way, I have no axe to grind. I only suggest that you quit destroying your otherwise useful comments by using childish terms.
Not my country so not my place to criticize. I will mention though that I had some equipment made in quebec. I needed new motors and called the company to see about ordering such. The young lady answering the phone refused to speak english or to transfer me to someone who would. I gave up and junked the equipment and make sure nowadays that I never buy anything produced in quebec.
Had enought to drink, jema? That was some impressively addled ranting. The Louis Quebec business actually contributed. Don’t take me amiss, friend, I’m half in the bag myself tonight.
The ethnic composition of Quebec is a matter of fact, not rhetoric. If I’m wrong, refute me. Problem is, I’m not wrong.
If your point was that there are very few French CITIZENS in Quebec, well, you really should have said so in the first place. We’d have been spared a pointless quarrel.
As to Louisiana and Alaska, these were not the subjects of discussion, nor are they areas of interest to me. But I can’t help thinking that if more than 80% of the population of Louisiana were French people, all of them the direct descendants of French from the time of the French regime, then yes, I think they’d be speaking French there. Much the same would go for Russians in Alaska. Of course I don’t know, and neither do you, since in fact nothing at all like that is actually the case. But I can’t help noticing that a much smaller, but still signifigant, proportion of the population of Hawaii are ethnic Hawaiians, direct descendants of residents under the Hawaiian regime, and they speak the language. So perhaps we can extrapolate.
That “touchy feely lingo” by the way, is a little thing called “French”. You may have heard of it? Sadly, I suspect it has no future, so I enjoy it while it lasts.
ebt – when the USA bought Louisiana, over 80% of the population were French speaking descendants of French King’s subjects, Prior to 1867, Alaska was a colony of Russia and people in Alaska spoke Russian; all business was conducted in Russian. The Russian Missionaries translated the Native Indian languages into Russian. Didn’t you ever wonder about the unpronounceable names of some places in the Yukon, NWT and Alaska? Where did a name like Inuvik come from; it came from the Russian translation of a Native Indian word! All history must be read with a knowledge of con currant events and realities of the times or it cannot ever make sense or be of any use to the reader. Canadian History is not an exception to this rule.
It’s not that I dispute what you’re saying, jema, it’s just that I can see no reason at all for you to be saying it. I don’t doubt that there were times when indeed 80% of the population of Louisiana was indigenous French. And, in those times, they spoke French in Louisiana. Those times are long gone. Of course, there never was a time when any appreciable portion of the population of Alaska were Russian, but when the Russians ran it, I have no doubt business was done in Russian.
These things are – oh, what’s that term you’re so fond of? – yes, that’s it, history. It’s just not like that now. There’s a difference between knowing history and living in the past.
What any of this has to do with the fact that 80% of Quebec is French Canadian is well beyond me.
My point is that most Quebers are not descendants of French people – they are descendants of ‘other’ like the people in the ROC. They should not be demanding or given any special consideration from other provinces.
And you are entirely wrong about that. The vast majority of Quebeckers are French, the direct descendants of the original French population. This doesn’t justify any of our policies towards Quebec, most of which are clearly nuts. But the French Canadians are a distinct people. They are not Canadians like the rest of us. And to attempt to compel them to change would be in practice impossible, even if it could be morally justified (and it can’t).