After a year of grueling discussion, the more prudish group prevailed, and the parents decided that there would be no sex in the Kinderladen.
Well, for the most part.
After a year of grueling discussion, the more prudish group prevailed, and the parents decided that there would be no sex in the Kinderladen.
Well, for the most part.
The left just does not give up trying to subvert and destroy the traditional family.
The left just does not give up trying to subvert and destroy the traditional family.
Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at July 4, 2010 11:12 AM
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Not just the traditional family but Western civilisation itself they are trying to subvert and destroy.
This is disturbing……
It is comforting that the “prudish parents prevailed.”
This is just further proof that these political elements are perverts.
Kate that was a spooky read. Leftist creeps.
We have similar stuff in Canada, just milder. For example the left wants to teach kids about homosexuality in kindergarten.
Mr. G., the traditional family is one of the central building blocks of Western Civilization. The Christian norm of marriage as the union of one man and one woman, till death do them part, is the cornerstone of a healthy society. Their providing their children with a stable home life, where they teach them to share and to be responsible and accountable individuals is a high calling and not easy, but eminently worthwhile.
Subversive forces know that if they are to take over they need to destroy the foundations of society, which is why there is a frontal attack by the Left on the traditional family, the Church, and our educational and judicial institutions.
Unfortunately, far too few people realize what’s really going on and figure, what the heck, any form of “family” will do and, as for the Church, who needs it? They couldn’t be further from the truth.
I guess this is what Turdeau really meant when he spoke of remaking Canada into a “just society”.
The biggest mistake Western Civilization (in general) made, was buying into the left’s self-description of being the compassionate and caring ones; while, at the same time, coming to view those on the right as evil and uncaring. This phenomenon exists to this day.
To wit, you rarely hear somebody described as right wing — rather, it’s almost always ‘extreme right wing’. Conversely, nothing the left does ever seems to attract the same moniker.
Excerpt: Does what happened in a number of the Kinderladen qualify as abuse? According to the criteria to which Catholic priests have been subjected, it clearly does, says Alexander Schuller, the sociologist. “Objectively speaking, it was abuse, but subjectively it wasn’t,” says author Dannenberg. As outlandish as it seems in retrospect, the parents apparently had the welfare of the children in mind, not their own.
Typical of the left. Excuses. Just like their excuses for the deaths caused by communism. “We meant well” is their excuse for the horrors they commit. It’s not the act that matters, but whether the person committing the act was a leftist. Typical.
TJ: you’re right. We have the same types of people around and your example is a good one.
a reason for a fight to the death has begun to emerge – either we defund and neuter these leftist bastards, and their mindless enablers, or we are doomed
Post this in the comments on the next CBC site’s monthly Catholic church bashing article.
You’ve got to give the German socialists credit though, unlike their North American counterparts you can’t accuse them of being covert in their agenda.
Well the first thing we Conservatives need to do is stop being on the defensive all the time. Some loon on the left makes a dumb statement we jam it back down his throat. When some leftist organization attempts to ‘social engineer’ our culture we marginalize them post haste. Its time we stopped allowing free speech without a challenging the speaker and the speaker said. With the freedom to speak comes the responsibility for what was was said. Let’s hold them accountable.
Are you implying that there are limits to “rights,” Kate? I guess it’s an urban/rural and a class thing…
/sarc
“..so-called Pedo groups soon appeared. Taking their cue from homosexuals, they also claimed that, as a minority, they were entitled to certain rights…(…)…Those who, like Hentschel, were openly opposed to promoting pedophilia were described as ‘prudish’ — (and) as (being) opposed to freedom of expression.'”
Gunther Amendt, “one of the few leaders of the left who staunchly opposed the pedophile movement…recalls how he was disparaged as a reactionary in flyers and articles.”
Oooh, that had to hurt…
“Like (Alexander) Schuller, the other parents (who supported the Kinderladen movement) were academics, journalists or university employees – a decidedly upper middle-class lot.”
I’m *shocked* that the Kinderladen proponents weren’t working class or “rural” types.
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/homosexualagenda/index?tab=articles
H/T Liberal PET Cemetery.
Call me hopelessly old fashioned,BUT,WHAT A BUNCH OF BLOODY DEVIATES !
Whoever thought up this idea was a pedophile and a pervert.
Germany needs a strong,charismatic Leader who can motivate the people through rousing speeches to straighten out that Country.
When I read articles like this, it fosters a dream that Europe will sink into the ocean,and historians can argue in a coupe of hundred years about how “advanced” that civilization was.
That is sick, and entirely not surprising in the light of this passage of the Bible:
Roy Green is going to discuss how the left-wing influence is affecting publis schools..coming up on show right after bottom of hr.
oops,that should be ‘public’
That article made me sick.
Adults using children for their own perverted socio-political/personal ends is beyond nauseating.
It is extremely important to stamp this filth out wherever it is seen.
“… the traditional family is one of the central building blocks of Western Civilization.”
— Posted by: batb at July 4, 2010 12:13 PM
If you think about it, the traditional family is the central building block of any civilization. Western, or not.
By contrast, in primitive societies living in mud huts and throwing rocks at each other — well, “It Takes a Village”.
This is totally beyond the pale by the standards of any society with even a shred of moral decency.
It’s so bad It’s hard to believe this actually occurred, some sick mind dreamed it up.
We can’t continue to be complacent, the Leftists are counting on it. The Leftist creep has been on the crawl for decades, we’ve see some of their fondest wishes come true, even make it into the laws of our civil societies.
People are continually trying to demonize Dr Laura for blasting paedophilia.
Well the Modern Left think that if you obtain sexual pleasure from something then you should be allowed to do it, alas they are known as “Anything goes if it feels good crowd”. Polygamy check, incest according to the left it’s none of the state’s business thus I can’t see them objecting to the eventual legalization of pedophilia.
A few random thoughts: The Germans have a reputation for meticulous depravity, and no, I don’t mean just the obvious mid-century unpleasantness; there is something about their combination of humorlessness (it’s real) and ueber-organization that is a little de-humanizing. (BTW I have German friends. I drove two of them to the airport this morning. I even lived in Germany for a year.)
Every paedophile on the planet tries to justify him (it’s usually “him”) -self, and it’s always “s/he was begging for it”. Pure delusion – pre-pubescent children are very sensual but never sexual – but evil people run on delusion.
The extremer elements of the left want to abolish all sexual limits. I’m not a prude, but look: Would you base your ideal for human society on the behaviour of a numerically insignificant sub-species of monkey? I wouldn’t. Lefties would. Look up “bonobo”.
The eternal adolescents of the left loathe all boundaries. If you might have thought “don’t impose your sexuality on children” was an obvious line in the sandbox, you’d be wrong. And you can’t appeal to instinctive notions of decency, because decades of shallow sophistry from the academy and the trickle-down effect of that have turned “decency” into a silly hick idea as far as the hip are concerned.
The sexual exploitation of children is as old as time. Judaio – Christian civilization (I’m agnostic) largely stamped it out. Now it’s back, and it’s gonna get worse.
And just think! We can’t blame Harper!
Black Mamba: “The sexual exploitation of children is as old as time. Judaio – Christian civilization (I’m agnostic) largely stamped it out. Now it’s back, and it’s gonna get worse.”
This is a fact, Black Mamba, that a lot of people don’t know. In an interview of either the director or the producer of the TV series “Rome,” he pointed out that it was the widening influence of (Judeo-)Christianity that put an end to the often brutal physical and sexual exploitation of the populace by the Roman leaders.
Sexual exploitation of children and every other depraved notion you can think of — but probably don’t want to — is, indeed, back, and now that we’ve turned our backs on our Christian heritage, with its love-your-neighbour-as-yourself, suffer-the-little-children-to-come-unto-me values, most people have no yardstick with which to measure (and reject) the increase in moral and sexual depravity. (Just look at most of the movies coming out of Hollywood — and all of the people at Toronto’s Gay Pride [sic and sick] Parade).
Citizen “X” writes:
“And just think! We can’t blame Harper!”
You underestimate the skill of our journalists. Anna Maria Tremonti may be working on the story at this very moment.
sickos!
An interesting look at the lefts inevitable agenda’s path. Death, plus perversion in equal amounts, brings power. As the family structure is made redundant.
No wonder Islamists are sleeping with the hard left.
Both are control freaks who hate innocence, while reveling in the blood of preconceived enemies. With the misery they have caused as their incense.
The perversion as a right of conquest.
JMO
BTW, in case you aren’t creeped out enough yet, have a look at this. Senior members of the Catholic Church in Belgium were involved here.
Warning: Creepy.
And people wonder why kids aren’t let out of the house these days.
dmorris said: “Call me hopelessly old fashioned”
It’s amazing that we’ve been pushed so far by the progressives that we feel it necessary to preface our statements with an apology for being old fashioned. Otherwise, smack on dmorris.
BTW – batb and others – please don’t take my 5:27 post as an attack on the Church. It wasn’t. I found that link on a conservative Catholic website, where it was shown as an example of something shocking and abhorrent. I only linked to it to demonstrate how far this rot has penetrated.
They rail against internet child porn, but they support “progressive” trends that sexualize childhood.
They rail against the “genocide” of children of color in 3rrd world nations, but they support the genocide of unborn children and call majority group parents ‘breeders’.
They rail against the male dominated state and its tyranny against females but they support cultures who hold this as their core belief.
THey rail against the “church” and its influence on the state but they support theocratic Muslim regimes.
They denounce the “American Dream” as “unsustainable” while they make their living from it and live capitalist lifestyles.
They denounce right wing talk radio hosts as “propagandists” yet support left wing public school political indoctrinating as “progressive”.
They denounce the carbon based lifestyle yet theit carbon neutral gurus have carbon footprints larger than bigfoot.
We live in bizzaro world. There is no truth, just spin.
Simply splendid post, Black Mamba, and you too batb and Alex in wonderland (great handle!).
It seems that the family is the principal threat to the state so, as others have explained, it must be undermined in every way imaginable.
Recall the Liberals strange fascination with Nationalized Babysitting euphemistically labelled “early childhood education” (LOL). What possible alternate explanation would be valid than that it was a deliberate attempt to destroy the family, to increase state-dependency and to ensure the permanent hegemony of the Liberal Party of Canada.
We are aware, I presume, that home-schooling is illegal in Germany. The Nazi law was never repealed and is very actively enforced. Non- compliant parents go to jail and children are removed from the home.
In a similar vein – In today’s Vancouver Province, Paul Kershaw and Lynell Anderson of UBC – so-called experts in Human Early Partnership (Partnership?), claim that a study by the Business Council of B.C., proves that kids who aren’t “school ready” costs our economy nearly 10 times the provincial debt, 12 times all that B.C. exported in 2008 and nearly 40 times what the high-tech sector contributed to our economy in 2008. Where do they get these numbers? How do they arrive at such obtuse figures? Absolute bullsh*t! They will say absolutely anything to get their hands on our children and begin corrupting their minds. And guess what, most parents will believe it because they want to. Their capacity for self delusion, is bottomless, as is their need for self-fulfillment. The B.C. Liberals will open thousands of all-day kindergarten this Fall.
The question should be asked: Are there more countries than Germany that actively experimented with “Brave New World” child sex-ed? My gut tells me there are.
Are there more countries than Germany that actively experimented with “Brave New World” child sex-ed?
~Martin B
Probably were or are.
(see Obama’s choice for Secretary of Education)
You can bet, though, that such experiments wouldn’t be institutionalized in former Soviet Block/Satelite nations because such decadence was argued dialectically by the ComIntern to have been expected excesses from “capitalist” societies regardless of the fact that the decadence was being promoted and practiced by Soviet sponsored Leftists within those “capitalist” nations to demonstrate how freedom should be “rationed” like everything else in a communist society.
I am disgusted and horrified by both: this and the article linked by Black Mamba.
Alexandra Kollontai was a Russian-Finnish Social Democratic who joined the Bolsheviks and became Lenin’s “People’s Commissar for Social welfare. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Kollontai
She worked to destroy the traditional family as it impeded the progress of the evolution of the new soviet man.
From Wikipedia “She viewed marriage and traditional families as legacies of the oppressive, property-rights-based, egoist past. Under Communism, both men and women would work for, and be supported by, society, not their families. Similarly, their children would be wards of, and reared basically by society”.
The left has tried to destroy the traditional family for a century and it appears that bit by bit they are succeeding. Just think of what is called a “family” these days.
Political correctness agenda point no. 3: The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children.
All of the abominations against children described here are absolutely consistent with it.
That is one of the most horrific things I have ever read.
Why are there no police investigations and charges? Because it’s Europe?
Would you base your ideal for human society on the behaviour of a numerically insignificant sub-species of monkey? I wouldn’t. Lefties would. Look up “bonobo”.
It’s not a monkey, it’s a sub-species of chimpanzee, and it’s our second closest living relative.
In some ways it would be good if humans were closer to them in behaviour. What ways? Well, unlike chimanzees-proper, they’re not warlike.
But we ARE closer to chimpanzees and the idea that we should model ourselves after bonobos is flawed. It is another species and nothing like humans in terms of behaviour. You are right about that.
I corrected your classification of them, however, because they should have accurate information when forming opinions.
As far as whether children explore sexually, etc., well they do. But with other children.
This parents leading children in sex-games stuff was, as I said above before reading your comment about the bonobos, horrific.
Even these ideologues apparently had issues with it. It obviously cannot be natural, instinctive mainstream behaviour for our species.
As a primate, sitting here, my face was drawn up in a grimace reading that article, and I know I physically moved back from the computer a bit in horror.
I’m sure I’m not the only one.
Clearly our reactions shows this behaviour is indeed perverse.
And criminal. Why the f—- can’t police go back and lay charges??
Something bad happened that manifested itself in the sixties and seventies and we are living with this right now. I think that people are starting to realize this – especially the people who were abused as kids – because it shattered their lives. This article reflects this change in attitude (and probably provides some solid reasoning as to why this stuff happened).
Here is the famous report on Catholic Priest Abuses in the US. It was produced by the John Jay School of Criminal Justice (City University of New York) in 2004 and commissioned by the American Catholic Bishops in 2002 after the huge extent of Priest abuses in Boston was revealed. I’m guessing that the US story mirrors, to a certain extent, the stories in Canada and Europe (except that the US Bishops went after this much tougher and sooner that the Euros did – in my opinion). If one just reads the executive summary (and some of the links to the rest of the document) you can see that something bad manifested itself big time in the sixties and seventies.
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/reports/2004_02_27_John Jay
Broken link.
This should work:
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/reports/2004_02_27_JohnJay/
No need for the disclaimer, Black Mamba, but thanks, anyway!
Pedophilia is wrong whoever’s perpetrating it. It’s especially odious when a priest or bishop, in a position of trust, is involved.
From the report you cited: “His predecessor, the liberal Cardinal Danneels, who was very popular with the press in Belgium and abroad, was Archbishop of Mechelen-Brussels and Primate of Belgium from 1979 until 2010. The sympathy for pedophile attitudes and arguments among the Belgian bishops during this period was no secret …” says pretty much all one needs to know:
The Cardinal doing the cover up was “liberal,” “very popular with the press,” and among the Bishops, there was “sympathy for pedophile attitudes and arguments.”
Wherever liberal, go-along-with-the-Zeitgeist, attitudes prevail in the Church, we see abandonment of Biblical principles and values and, sadly, often by its so-called leaders.
The Belgian situation in the RC Church is a scandal, no doubt about it.
But, to put things in perspective, now that the Bishops ARE FINALLY being made to deal with these scandals by the Vatican, there is far less sexual exploitation of children in the RC Church than in most other institutions. There is a very thorough reporting process which is acted on immediately. Frankly, there should be a hue and cry about sexual abuses in schools, for instance, where the incidence is much higher, but for some reason — well, to try to destroy it, along with the family — “progressives” like to pick on the Church.
No institution should be immune from accountability when it comes to the exploitation of children. Others have pointed this out: the continuing exploitation of our children by “progressives,” who want to see their care and nurture taken away from their families and put in the hands of the State: the “nurturing nanny” (sic and sick).
As a stay-at-home mom in the ’80s, I was a pariah in the eyes of the Liberal government and the radical feminists, who were everywhere! When the sex ed curriculum in my kids’ school began to get kinky (grade 7 kids putting coloured and flavoured condoms on bananas, etc.), I took to the front lines of the fight and was roundly denounced by the liberals in my community. It wasn’t a fun fight but I stuck to my guns and was able to make some changes to the sex ed curriculum.
There is still a battle royal going on for the hearts, minds, and bodies of our children: the State vs. the family, the move by McGuilty — and the federal Liberals and NDP for years and still — to introduce all-day kindergarten for three-year-olds. We need to resist this initiative.
Some years back, as I recall, the King of Belgium stepped down from the throne just long enough for the government to pass legislation on the acceptance of abortion (the legalization, as such) he being a Catholic. He then remounted the throne and continued, presumably, reigning. When I asked a lawyer I knew, who was Belgian, what he thought of it, he kind of smiled and said that that was so typically Belgian, that they compromise on such things. And we know where compromise leads, don’t we? Has anyone noticed that this non-country, Belgium, is fast disintegrating?
Christoph @5:08 – re. this monkey business – blech. You remind me of David Suzuki (by his own account) shaking his head in sorrow and anger at a “no animals allowed” sign, because we’re all animals, people!. Colloquially bonobos can be called monkeys. It’s pithier. Get back to me when I’m writing a paper for your course in primate evolution.
“…they’re not warlike”. Mmmm. Some apes are, though. I assume you’ve heard of gorilla warfare?
At any event, way to totally miss the point. When you find yourself trying to decide which particular social bahaviours of some group of brute beasts you want to incorporate into your Utopia blueprint, you’re thinking weird.
(Needless to say, none of the above applies to the angler fish. We have much to learn from the angler fish.)
And furthermore I will have you know that Troy McClure, a legitimate theater actor, feels the same. (You might want to fast-forward to 1:20)