Y2Kyoto: I'll Miss The Kinetic Energy Recovery System

Thank-fully Sir Jack Brabham is still alive and kicking, unlike KERS.

F1- the world's fastest 2hr parade.

I thought it was an interesting concept but winning races and the economics of racing needs to paramount. If the systems made the cars more competitive then it would have remained.

Spending $5k to save $2k worth of gas really shows how smart people are.

"Spending $5k to save $2k worth of gas really shows how smart people are."

It's the thought that counts!

In related news,

France shelves key carbon tax plan
(AFP) – 3 hours ago

PARIS — France's government Tuesday put on hold a key carbon tax plan as workers held mass strikes over pensions and jobs, turning up the heat on President Nicolas Sarkozy after an election humiliation.

The government shelved the proposed carbon tax, one of Sarkozy's key reforms, a day after the president replaced a top minister in a reshuffle after his UMP party's defeat by left-wing rivals in regional elections.

Hundreds of thousands of protesters marched in the streets and teachers, train drivers and other public workers stayed off work to protest job cuts and plans for pension reform.

The president has vowed to press on with changes to state pensions. But the carbon tax, a major plank of his environmental policy touted as France's leading contribution to anti-global warming efforts, was put on hold.

Prime Minister Francois Fillon said in a statement that the government still aimed to implement a carbon tax but this could only be done "in common with other European countries" and France would push the EU to take a common position.

The UMP leader in parliament, Jean-Francois Cope, said after a meeting with Fillon that the tax will not be introduced in July as planned "unless there is a European accord."

The plan would have made France the first big economy to tax harmful carbon emissions, aiming to encourage French consumers to stop wasting energy. But business lobbies feared it would penalise French industry.

Fillon said the tax would have to work at a European level so as "not to harm the competitiveness of French companies," according several UMP deputies who met with him in parliament.

"The decisions we take on sustainable development must be better coordinated with all European countries so as not to deepen our competitive disadvantage with our neighbour Germany," they quoted him as saying.

a lot of "green" technology has come out of formula one. engine designs with turbochargers, variable cams, aerodynamics , etc.

the greenies just can't bring themselves to admit it.

Well played, Al tffiM !

Sir Jack taking his Cooper-Climax for a ...er, walk, back in the year I was born, I think, when he won his first Grand Prix World Championship (1959). Almost 10 years later, as a young lad, I was lucky enough to see him in Germany with his Repco powered self-named marque, Brabham BT-24 (or 24?). This post really brings back the memories, the smells, the sounds, the ruckus! Jim Clark, Jacquie Stewart, Graham Hill, Deny Hulme (pre- Can-Am), Dan Gurney - the golden era of F1 !

Little known tidbit - the Climax engine became the core of a portable high-speed emergency water pumping system...

It really doesn't matter what they do, they will always get 0 mpg - since the track is normally a circle.

Amazing logic there kmn, by your reasoning a hybrid car driving you to work, and home again gets 0mpg as it is taking a circuitous route. I think you were spinning your wheels with your post.

The point is that fuel economy has limited importance in F1. Performance is of paramount importance. F1 cars get lousy mileage.....it seems the more horsepower--the more fuel it burns---logical---the engine converts the chemical energy of the fuel to kinetic energy to hurl the car along....despite a century the efficiency of the process hasn't changed such a lot.
Then there is that still valid rule of thumb---to double the speed---needs 4X the horsepower.

Now you know: Our Enemy, the State*.

Bruce: connect the money to Canadian “Liberal leader” Bob Rae’s Canadian Uncle Mao Strong/Power Corp/Ad$Cam Chretien/Martin Jr/ Citoyen Kyoto Dionky, et al.

A canary is singing; more, please.
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“How government cash created the Climategate scandal

Andrew Bolt
Sydney Herald Sun
March 23, 2010

Australian climate scientist policy analyst Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen tells the British parliamentary inquiry into Climategate just how much global warming science is corrupted by politics and money. Excerpts:

I was peer reviewer for IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change)… Since 1998 I have been the editor of the journal, Energy & Environment (E&E) published by Multi-science, where I published my first papers on the IPCC. I interpreted the IPCC “consensus” as politically created in order to support energy technology and scientific agendas that in essence pre-existed the “warming-as -man-made catastrophe alarm.”…

3.2 Scientific research as advocacy for an agenda (a coalition of interests, not a conspiracy,) was presented to the public and governments as protection of the planet… CRU, working for the UK government and hence the IPCC, was expected to support the hypothesis of man-made, dangerous warming caused by carbon dioxide, a hypothesis it had helped to formulate in the late 1980s…

3.3 … In persuading policy makers and the public of this danger, the “hockey stick” became a major tool of persuasion, giving CRU a major role in the policy process at the national, EU and international level. This led to the growing politicisation of science in the interest, allegedly, of protecting the “the environment” and the planet. I observed and documented this phenomenon as the UK Government, European Commission, and World Bank increasingly needed the climate threat to justify their anti-carbon (and pro-nuclear) policies. In return climate science was generously funded and required to support rather than to question these policy objectives… Opponents were gradually starved of research opportunities or persuaded into silence. The apparent “scientific consensus” thus generated became a major tool of public persuasion…

4.1 … As editor of a journal which remained open to scientists who challenged the orthodoxy, I became the target of a number of CRU manoeuvres. The hacked emails revealed attempts to manipulate peer review to E&E’s disadvantage, and showed that libel threats were considered against its editorial team…

4.4 Most recently CRU alleged that I had interfered “maliciously” with their busy grant-related schedules, by sending an email to the UKCIP (Climate Impact Programme) advising caution in the use of CRU data for regional planning purposes. This was clearly reported to [CRU head Phil] Jones who contacted my Head of Department, suggesting that he needed to reconsider the association of E&E with Hull University. Professor Graham Haughton, while expressing his own disagreement with my views, nevertheless upheld the principle of academic freedom…

4.5 The emails I have read are evidence of a close and protective collaboration between CRU, the Hadley Centre, and several US research bodies such as the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory where former CRU students had found employment. Together they formed an important group inside IPCC Working Group 1, the science group…

The CRU case is not unique. Recent exposures have taken the lid off similar issues in the USA, the Netherlands, Australia, and possibly in Germany and Canada… It is at least arguable that the real culprit is the theme- and project-based research funding system put in place in the 1980s and subsequently strengthened and tightened in the name of “policy relevance”. This system, in making research funding conditional on demonstrating such relevance, has encouraged close ties with central Government bureaucracy. Some university research units have almost become wholly-owned subsidiaries of Government Departments. Their survival, and the livelihoods of their employees, depends on delivering what policy makers think they want. It becomes hazardous to speak truth to power…” (Much more)

http://www.prisonplanet.com/how-government-cash-created-the-climategate-scandal.html
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*Our Enemy, The State by Albert J. Nock, Introduction ******
Our Enemy the State by Albert J. Nock – His Classic Critique Distinguishing ‘Government’ from the ‘State’, — Introduction …
http://www.barefootsworld.net/nockoets0.html

@Sasquatch, actually fuel mileage does have a place in F1 this year. Refuelling on pit stops is now banned again, so the teams have to start with the amount of fuel they think they need for the duration of the race, and some teams in the first race of the season underestimated the amount they needed (you want to carry the minimum to keep car weight down, to improve speed and tire wear), and had to reduce speeds just to finish. This, unfortunately, doesn’t fit into what my definition of what a race should be.

In the words of James T. Kirk: "I need more power Scotty!!!"

Al it was a joke. They are racing cars so they shouldn't be concerned about being green. They should race cars just because they want to race cars.

Actually, I think that KERS is the only meaningful way to improve fuel consumption in urban environments.

For long distant cruising, there is no way of improving fuel efficiency beyond standard engineering anfd aero-dynamics.

However, the parameters of an urban KERS system are this: Store as much energy as possible froim breaking for 5 minutes; forget the battery pack.

@kmn, exactly, let them race! The best racing ever, imho, was the Can-Am series in the late 1960s and early 1970s, that combined inovation with brute horsepower!

@Robert in Ottawa, KERS would only recapture energy in stop and go traffic, numerous studies have show urban expressways that keep traffic flowing are greener, in terms of less fuel consumption, than a typical grid system.

Btw, feather footing it to a posted speed limit is not fuel efficient. A study by BMW many years ago pointed out that brisk acceleration, to the typical torque peak of most engines (in the range of 2500 to 2700rpm) that get the vehicle to cruising speed and into top gear quickly is preferable to sloooowly accelerating at a lower rpm. Try it, you will be surprised how you will leave most greenies in your dust, and in a grid system making more green lights, as they are typically timed to the speed limits in the area.

My neighbour buys a new Toyota pickup. He's bragging that Toyota is now sponsoring the Indy 500. My reply. Hard to lose a race when the cars are going around the track with their accelerator pedals stuck to the metal!

As for a kintetic recovery sytem, the bungee cord does a prety good job of that!

"Little known tidbit - the Climax engine became the core of a portable high-speed emergency water pumping system..."

I believe it's the other way around. The first Coventry ClimaX F1 engine was derived from a fire-pump.

Retards.... the more fuel you waste in forumula one, the more pitstops you make. Retards. Idiots.

Duh, Pit stops anyone? more fuel wastage equals more fuel WEIGHT in the car and more Pit stops. The more fuel you save, the lighter your car is and the less pit stops you have to make. Get a clue.