Good evening ladies and gentlemen, welcome to SDA Late Nite Radio. Tonight, for your delectation and for Yukon Gold, here are Leonard Bernstein and the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra with soloists Gwyneth Jones, Shirley Verrett, Plácido Domingo, and Martti Talvela, performing the fourth and final movement of Ludwig van Beethoven's Symphony N° 9 in D minor, Op.125: Ode to Joy, II & III, in 1989 (25:38).
Your Reader Tips are, as always, welcome in the comments.











IMO, nothing quite beats the Christmas Day live recording of the Ninth.
Err, to clarify, that'd be "Ode an die Freiheit", "Freiheit" (freedom) substituted for "Freude" (joy) conducted by Bernstein on Christmas Day 1989 to celebrate the fall of the Berlin Wall.
How lovely for you. Why not tell it to someone who cares? What, you come busting in here complaining about the show not being as good as some other version you personally like better, never mind that tonight's show's audience is larger than you and that some of them might appreciate this version, and you can't even bother to provide a link to your alternative version? Bitch, bitch, whine, whine... well, hey, it's your life, but I thought I was supposed to be the one who is socially inept here.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Absolutely no complaint or criticism was intended. I don't want you to get the impression I didn't like your selection just because I happen to have a favourite take on the piece. As a matter of fact, I happen to love it, which is why I braved (hey, I won't argue that I'm not socially inept) suggesting Bernstein's other recording.
I wasn't aware it was inappropriate to make musical suggestions without providing links. It's not a piece of netiquette I've heard before, so please accept my apologies.
Roger that, Eugene, but that was inappropriate of me, it is my fault, my apology. I do admit that it is frustrating to me to put hours and hours of work into the SDA Late Nite Radio show and have the first response be some sort of deflection. But hey, since it would appear we are in fact on the same page (ahem ;-), here is the first of four parts of your preferred version, on YouTube, from which you can find the rest. As you mentioned, they're both very good, and different: it is indeed interesting to compare them.
Acknowledged, and I'll try not to do that again. :-) Eugene out...
That is one piece of music I don't have in my collection and I don't know that I ever will. Way too many years ago when I was playing around with the Armed Forces I on graduation parade. It was an extremely hot humid day in Southern Ontario and the VIP was late. We stood for what seemed an eternity in the glaring sun, holding our FNs with a near fanatical grip lest we lose ourselves to the heat and do a face plant on the tarmac. Just when I reached the edge of endurance, hanging on to consciousness by a fingernail the band, which up till now had been standing 'easy' in the shade picked up their instruments and began to play Ode to Joy. At that point it was the nearest thing to a spiritual experience I had ever had. The heat didn't matter, the humidity didn't matter, I was good to go for another hour.
Aye.
The music is great and curious that the Ode to JOY is written and performed in a MINOR key.
The exchange was entertaining too. Vit's view is understandable, while the civil settlement on both sides is impressive.
I like D-minor. Chet and Dolly make a nice change with Dm in ' Do I ever cross yer mind?'.
Any word on sarah palin's visit to calgary any video or link's or anything ?
Paul in calgary
This is Reader Tips, Paul, why don't you look it up and tell us! Sigh.
I see in the other night’s reader’s tips Thomas Sowell was in the comments. Has anyone had the opportunity to read his latest book, Intellectuals and Society? Never have I read something that paralleled my own thoughts and feelings on so many different subjects. So much so that I jokingly refer to it as my new book, under the pen name Thomas Sowell.
Vit
paul was just trying to make you feel usefull:-))))
What, you too, Western Canadian? This is "Reader Tips". This means that if you think Sowell's new book is interesting, you are supposed to use your computer to find out more about the situation and Provide Tips To Us. This is not Remedial Search Engine Technology for Dummies!
For what it's worth, Vit, as someone who works in one of those jobs where no one notices if you succeed (and everyone notices if you fail), I appreciate the work you put into the LNR. It makes for a very nice change from the usual gamut of (often quite depressing) politics and economy posts.
Recently broadcast on German television and now available on Vimeo, The Turban and the Swastika documents the life of Amin al-Husseini and his collaboration with the Nazis to exterminate the Jews.
Thanks, Daniel. Be aware too that at least part of the endless stream of depressing claims that has always been foisted upon us is due to no more than the matter that there is a huge market within the species for such gratuitous oh woe is me claims. That doesn't mean said claims are true, that means the market supports peoples' freedom to be wrong.
Calgary crowd receptive to Palin : http://tinyurl.com/yajtqfv
Thomas Sowell discusses his new book Intellectuals and Society
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmFBzuLJ6ac
Everyone happy now?
Thank you, Ww, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
Thomas Sowell??
Western Canadian has a good one here.. This YouTube piece will fill you in on his wise views. An excellent interview!
youtube.com/watch?v=ERj3QeGw9Ok
This will clearly help you decide whether to buy his new book or not.
I had to stop reading, my mind was ready to blow:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iecG0gtsoOJudgv0eZutImtlDfTQD9E7DL280
HAVANA — Production of fruits and vegetables in Cuba's capital and surrounding farmlands is 40 percent lower than expected so far this year, as the island's agricultural sector continues to founder despite a series of reforms.
The Communist Party newspaper Granma said Havana province, which includes the city of the same name, fell short of its targets through the end of February largely because of government ineptitude.
(...)
Still, the government continues to provide seeds, fertilizer, gasoline and other supplies to farms and buys up nearly all of what they produce. Problems at any point in the supply chain can cause lengthy delays and hurt production.
Thomas Sowell is excellent, TG. He's the Rose & Milton Friedman
Senior Fellow on Public Policy at the Hoover Institute at Stanford.
I recommend their Hoover Digest and Policy Review publications.
Vit, what an asshole reply, get your head out of the clouds, I was asking a simple question. You are coming across as if this is your big and only claim to fame, a smart ass, grow up.
Ww, thanks I will go over and have a look, should be interesting.
No it's not, Western Canadian. Look, asking "Hey what do y'all think about this..." Is Not Reader Tips. How many times does that have to be explained? That is not how this works. You do not open with a "chat" here. You open with a Reader Tip. This is, as Kate has explained over and over and over again, not a chat room. Capiche?
In any case, while you guys are throwing snowballs I am enjoying Ode to JOY. Thanks Vit. We listen to this piece played by the Northstar Orchestra a few times a year. The Vienna Philharmonic does a better job of it though.
Vit--you're developping an attitide. Reader Tip: How about a break or a holiday! The arctic is beautiful at this time of year!
Actually, you should have known me before, Joe ~ technically I'm undeveloping an attitude ;-) Anyway, good night, ladies and gentlemen, best wishes, it has as always been a slice, thanks Kate, and please, as you depart from Le Club Chez SDA Late Nite Radio tonight, please don't forget to tip the doorman.
Vit, with over a third of the responses you yourself have turned this into a quazi chat line. Above, your response to praise is posted, you seem to address posts or subjects you agree with, do you not? Is that not chat line? The responses I was aiming for was that of Ww.
Whatever, I enjoy reader tips, thanks, the last word is yours as it's long past my bedtime.
10 out of 28 = 5 out of 14 = 36%
Palin endears herself to Calgary crowd
By Shannon Montgomery, THE CANADIAN PRESS
The vocal opponent of health care reform in the U.S. steered largely clear of the topic except to reveal a tidbit about her life growing up not far from Whitehorse.
"We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada," she said. "And I think now, isn't that ironic."
cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/03/06/13136231-cp.html
Not only ironic, but hypocritical.
I come here to read what Kate is thinking,Vit sounds too impressed with itself.
Vit--you're developping an attitide. Reader Tip: How about a break or a holiday! The arctic is beautiful at this time of year!
Posted by: Joe Citizen at March 8, 2010 12:39 AM
Something I've noticed all too often of late, myself. An excellent suggestion is made by Joe Citizen.
And, with apologies that this is not a reader tip. That said, neither were any of our host's smart ass replies above.
If you come here to read what Kate is thinking,
Ryan, then why do you read Reader Tips? Kate
doesn't post what she's thinking in Reader Tips.
I think some of us can agree that Ode To Joy is a moving piece and as many classical works there is a particular version or performance that is above all the rest. For me it was the Nagano Winter Games rendition with the choirs from all five continents. I'd gladly provide a link but alas, all copies that I have looked up have been deleted. Perhaps Ludwig is exercising copyright privileged or the IOC wants to make a buck off of it at some later date.
AGW alert! -- The physicists to the rescue.
_http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf
Money quote: "There are no common physical laws between the warming phenomenon in glass houses and the fictitious atmospheric greenhouse effect, which explains the relevant physical phenomena. The terms "greenhouse effect" and "greenhouse gases" are deliberate misnomers."
Hat tip: _http://voxday.blogspot.com/2010/03/mailvox-no-greenhouse-effect.html
Consider this'
"Over the next five years, Ottawa expects about $164 billion in total deficits. Alberta's disappearance would bump that total up to $270 billion."
and
"The Frontier Centre for Public Policy proved last week that have-not provinces enjoy much better services than the haves.
Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Braid+have+provinces+have+nots/2643053/story.html#ixzz0hb7lOyuf
The freeloaders must live in paradise.
Gerlich and Tscheuschner's paper Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics is excellent, Mark, we had an interesting discussion of it here at Small Dead Animals on April 18, 2008. From the abstract:
Here are some excerpts from the summary at the end of the paper.
"Freedom to read means freedom from censors: Shanoff"
"Wisely, both decisions have been reversed by courts while confirming that “jarring, offensive, bewildering, puerile, nonsensical, insulting, crude, pejorative, repugnant” language is legally permissible.
Still, having to face the machinery of human rights bodies remains a daunting and expensive task and likely to restrict freedom of speech.
Censorship isn’t the way to fight hate mongers. Boycott them, shun them, denounce them, use logic against them, but don’t censor them."
http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/alan_shanoff/2010/03/05/13131761.html
Massa, he dead.
...-
"Massa: Rahm is 'son of devil's spawn'
Rep. Eric Massa (D-N.Y.) is taking some harsh parting shots at the White House on his way out of office.
Massa, who is stepping down amid allegations of sexual harrassment, said that Emanuel is a ruthless tactician who would "sell his mother" for a vote.
"Rahm Emanuel is son of the devil's spawn," Massa said in a radio interview. "He is an individual who would sell his mother to get a vote. He would strap his children to the front end of a steam locomotive."
Massa also accused Democratic leaders of forcing him out of office because he had voted against healthcare reform."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2466418/posts
Thanks Vit.
http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2010/03/03/hbo-picks-up-thrones-places-bet-on-dustin-hoffman/#more-8711
Woohoo!
HBO Green-lights the "A Game of Thrones" for a TV series due in 2011.
If you don't know, you'd better ask somebody.
I come to SDA to read what Kate's thinking,you can be obtuse when you so desire Vit.
If you come to SDA to read what Kate is thinking,
Ryan, then why do you read SDA Reader Tips? Kate
doesn't post what she's thinking in SDA Reader Tips.
First hand review of Palin if you want - she did pretty well, but it took her a while to get into the swing of things. Interestingly, she wanted to acknowledge those in the crowd who had served in the military. Big difference between the USA and CA - military service is not uncommon "down there", whereas in Canada, not that common in the Palin attending crowd IMHO. There were a few too many recycled tropes (eg buying oil from countries that don't like us), and a bit too much pandering, but hey, that's what politicians do.
The Q and A with Pam Wallin after her talk was the best part IMHO. I'm sure some questions were predictable, but nevertheless she answered well, and with good flow and source of knowledge. She needs work on her comedic skills, she steps on her own punch lines, and doesn't always quite know when to build up a line. No prompter though, just written notes.
More than just a solid B+. Ha, ha.
Print & the Cliche: "It's a watershed moment,".
...-
"Digital Lift-Off (advertisers to spend more on digital than print - Dinosaur Media DeathWatch™)
We've been waiting for this: A study by Outsell, to be released Monday, reveals that U.S. advertisers are spending more this year on digital media than on print. Long predicted, this Madison Avenue milestone has finally arrived thanks to a 9.6% boom in digital advertising in 2010.
That number comes from Outsell's annual advertising and marketing study, which collected data from 1,008 U.S. advertisers (both consumer and B2B) in December 2009. Of the $368 billion marketers plan to spend this year, 32.5% will go toward digital; 30.3% to print. Digital spending includes e-mail, video advertising, display ads and search marketing. "It's a watershed moment," says the study's lead author, Outsell vice president Chuck Richard.
As disrupting as this digital onslaught is to champions of print, the Outsell report has some surprising news for one old media category. Ad spending for magazines will rise this year by 1.9%, to $9.4 billion. That number reflects a spending boost of 4.2% for consumer titles and 1% for B2B. "Marketers are telling us they're giving this print category some serious attention," says Richard.
Digital may now be the primary survival strategy for publishers, but Richard offers another glimmer of optimism for print denizens. After a year of pounding their expenses and debt into far slimmer balance sheets, "We should see far fewer closures and cutbacks among traditional media," he says."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2466614/posts
In your 8:18 comment above, Texas Canuck, you said that with "many classical works there is a particular version or performance that is above all the rest". That's been bothering me all day. I don't think you can legitimately say that: who judges? Best is not a valid concept here, I don't think. Sure, sure, there's good, very good, excellent; yet with aesthetic judgments like this, where there is no right or wrong answer, I think that De gustibus non disputandum est rules. It's like lager and ale: they should be celebrated, not argued over. Anyway, thanks for trying to find links to the version of Ode to Joy you most prefer, I appreciate that.
Yeah, right. All religions are the same ...
Headline in today's print version of the TorStar:
"Hundreds die in sectarian clashes in Nigeria"
http://www.thestar.com/news
Headline in Today in the News at Yahoo about the same massacre:
"World recoils over slaughter of 500 Christians in Nigeria"
http://ca.mg202.mail.yahoo.com/dc/launch?.partner=rogers-acs&.gx=0&.rand=5kbesepe0p3uo
Rob Anders vindicated.
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"Winnie Mandela accuses Nelson of 'betraying' the blacks of South Africa
Nelson Mandela's former wife Winnie has turned on her ex-husband and accused him of 'betraying' the blacks of South Africa in a scathing attack. Mrs Mandela, 73, said that the former ANC Leader had done nothing for poor black people and should not have accepted the Nobel Peace Prize with the man who jailed him, FW De Klerk. In further criticisms she said her ex-husband had become a 'corporate foundation' who is 'wheeled out' by the ANC globally to collect money.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk"
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CBC News - Canada - PM blasts MP for blocking Mandela honour
The MP, Rob Anders, shouted "no" Wednesday when the Speaker asked if everyone agreed with ... Christopher Thomas asks MP Rob Anders why he opposes honouring Nelson Mandela ...
www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2001/06/07/mandela_mp010607.html
The Swiss decide that they aren't barking mad.
Swiss voters reject a referendum that would provide animals their own lawyers.
The Canton of Zurich actually has an animal lawyer who recently represented a pike.
A quote: "It took 10 minutes of struggle to reel the pike in before killing it. I regard that as cruelty. If someone had done that to a puppy, there would have been outrage," he said.
I guess fishing for puppies used to be popular in Zurich.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/switzerland/7394698/Swiss-voters-reject-lawyers-for-animals-in-referendum.html
Crackdown on dangerous dogs to make microchips compulsory for all
Plan to extend dangerous dogs law to cover attacks on private property and to require third-party insurance
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/09/dangerous-dogs-microchips-insurance