I Miss W.

I'm sure this has been posted here before:

http://media.npr.org/assets/blogs/thetwo-way/images/2010/02/bushboard.jpg?s=12

From Free Republic.

Has Canadian MSM published this?
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"Boeing Completes CF-18 Hornet Modernization Project for Canada

The Boeing Company today delivered the 79th -- and final -- upgraded CF-18 Hornet aircraft to the Canadian Department of National Defence during a ceremony in Mirabel, Quebec, hosted by industry partner L-3 Communications MAS, who performed final upgrade installations. The delivery brings the nine-year, two-phased CF-18 Modernization Project to a close.

Phase 1 of the project, completed in 2006, upgraded the Canadian Hornet fleet’s avionics, radar, radio and weapons capabilities. Phase 2 provided the following improvements:

1.a data link system to ensure Canadian forces are interoperable with aircraft from the United States and other allied nations
2.the Boeing Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System to improve weapons targeting
3.new color cockpit displays to increase situational awareness
4.an upgraded, chaff-and-flare dispensing electronic warfare system to improve survivability.

Phase 1 was valued at US$436 million and Phase 2 at $150 million. Boeing designed the upgrades and completed two prototype aircraft. L-3 Electronic Systems, with locations in Halifax, Nova Scotia, and Toronto, developed and produced the upgraded crew station displays. L-3 Communications MAS installed the upgrades on the program’s remaining 77 aircraft.

"Boeing’s upgrades to Canada’s CF-18 fleet will ensure that this fighter force will remain effective and operationally credible for many years to come," said Jim O’Neill, vice president and general manager, Boeing Integrated Logistics. "Nearly 30 years after the delivery of the first CF-18 Hornet, Canada’s defense forces are better equipped than ever, with more capability and a fully modernized fleet, due to the innovative upgrades designed and installed by Boeing and our partner, L-3 Communications MAS.""

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2480128/posts

I'm confused. I thought it was Iran who was the nuke threat. At least according to BO's chicken hawks.

The nuclear deal with Russia should free up some missiles for sale to Amerjinutcase in Iran.

Here again is an opportunity for the Obamessiah to demonstrate his diplomatic abilities by immediately apologising to North Korea for provoking it into murdering many South Koreans.

Thanks Maz2 for the update on the Hornets. We should be moving into the Super Hornet not just upgrading the old ones though (and there's not enough of the old ones too!)

There's nothing about this on North Korean state television (I got me a bad cable package).

All this is just fine. O is too busy backing down from Iran & terrorist states in favor of spanking Israel.

WTF does Obama have to do with this?

It's Korea's business.

Let them fight it out.

Remember the USS Pueblo.

maz2, is it true that Canada opted for the F-18 in part because it could land on US aircraft carriers if necessary?

Likely the F-14 and F-15 would have been too expensive, the F-16 too limited (great plane, though, with it's designed-in instability).

I still think Canada should have 4 aircraft carriers. One for each coast plus two in rotating retrofit.

"Let them fight it out."

Yeah, that'll work.

I suggest counselling followed by a group hug.

Please tell me they are finally gonna get it on down there..."Anyone wanna buy some AK-47's???...Never been fired and only dropped once!!!"

"The reductions would still leave both sides with immense arsenals -- and the ability to easily annihilate each other"

Oh, I see, it's a "symbolic" reduction.

So Obama hasn't QUITE saved the world from nuclear destruction, just given the APPEARANCE of having done something meaningful.

And that's all that counts to the dunderheads who still believe he's a messiah.

I wonder what Hillarys Husband thinks about this.
Perhaps another rescue mission for Bill...darn he's busy.

"CONFIRMED(sic): South Korean Ship Goes Down, Gold Soaring
The Business Insider ^ | 3-26-2010 | Joe Weisenthal

Joe Weisenthal

Mar. 26, 2010, 11:29 AM

Update 2: According to YONHAP news agency, 104 sailors were on board and only 58 have been accounted for.

Update: And now WSJ says a Korean ship went down near the border, probably due to a torpedo.

Original post: Check out gold! Rumor going around has to do with hostilities between the Koreas.

This comes the same day comments from North Korean media about Kim Jon Il wanting to drop a nuke on the west, so you can see why folks are jittery.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2480447/posts

Go for the Comments.

Here's a link from a Korean site with a photo of the ship involved, and map... and a couple of links on its sidebar to North Korean coverage, I'm a bit surprised they can get this information out...

http://www.freekorea.us/2010/03/26/breaking-rok-navy-ship-sinking-near-nll-north-korean-torpedo-attack-suspected/

Just on FoxNews...South Koreans saying accident with munitions not NK torpedo...

S.Korea is an ally SYF.

Just on FoxNews...South Koreans saying accident with munitions not NK torpedo...

Just on FoxNews...South Koreans saying accident with munitions not NK torpedo...

Just on FoxNews...South Koreans saying accident with munitions not NK torpedo...

W. did indeed call NK one third of the axis of evil, but otherwise did nothing to stop them after they kept firing missiles and testing nukes. They just keep getting bolder as today's incident showed.

As to US/Russia ICBM reductions: they had between them enough firepower to blow up the world ten times over, after that they'll have enough to blow it up three times over. We can all sleep better.

Kraut-I was unaware that the French used AK's

Might be a better investment than gold though, how much?

Any questions, Chicken Littles?

I wonder about the whole torpedo thing.

A ship small enough to crew out at around 100 would never be reported as sinking after a torpedo hit. It would be reported as sunk/lost/destroyed. Modern torps are nasty nasty nasty things!

Here is a US designed Mk 48 heavyweight torp and a 2000 tonne destroyer escort that crewed out at about 200.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV8MF-440xg

There are reasons no one practices damage control for torpedo hits. Makes no sense to practice being dead. That's easy.

More likely a small contact mine.

I thought about mine too. Specially, noting that there was no NK vessels in sight.

Just in case you missed the news, AJ and Aaron:

It was an accident with munitions.

Posted by: Kraut at March 26, 2010 2:34 PM

That was an hour ago.

Wakey, wakey.

North Korea? Oh yeah, that's the nation that the Bush Admin serially appeased. Sure does arouse nostalgia...especially in response to a munitions accident.

Fred @ 12:48 PM :

"Remember the USS Pueblo."

Better to remember the USS Main.

set you free

You will excuse me for being sceptical about that exploding munitions report.
I have a memory burned into my hard-drive real well re one of my visits to the Korea "DMZ". If I hadn't stubbled on a pebble----I woulda had my head ventilated by a Nork bullet....they do that s***t all the time.
I agree that modern heavy-weight torps have powerful warheads....but the damage is reduced if the hit occurs at an extremity----a likelyhood if the torp was homing on the Sork's props. There was an uncomfirmed report of a Sork vessel engaging a target to the north.....
In reality we will likely never know...both sides engage in a lot of obscuring for various motives.

To be fair, Bush took North Korea off the terrorist list after it made some mime-like motions resembling rationality.
I do not suspect Obama cares about the Korean Peninsula.
No one really wants to deal with North Korea because Russia and China back it and there is no pressing reason (ie- resources) to go in and finish the evil Kim regime for once and for all.
South Koreans appear indifferent most of the time.
Just my thoughts.

sasquatch:

Yep. It's a free country and we're free to be afraid of what what we believe we need to be afraid of.

CASCADIAN...LOL...That was my grandfathers era...LOL...However It seems that nowadays the modern armies of despotic rulers seem to have taken a page out of WW2 Frances playbook...ie Iraq and Afghan(giggle) armies...Not many are too willing to die for despotic morons and a subhuman exsistance. Go figure!!!

Lol,kraut you really think the north would over run the south that easy,not likely bud.There will be twenty or thirty miles of scorched earth on both sides of the thirty eighth paralell,so there wont be any cheap ak-47s for awhile:)

WTF does Obama have to do with this?
It's Korea's business.
Let them fight it out.
~set you free

It's the business of all of the nations on the South Korean side of the Armistice.

An Armistice is an extended ceasefire, nothing more.
There are *30,000 U.S. troops in South Korea as a promissory note to that effect.

(It's something the U.S. failed to do with the Armistice that was signed at Versailles)

All of the NATO countries that were involved up until the Armistice was signed are on the hook.
Incidents like this are what touch off World Wars because they try the credibility of the signatories of Alliances past.

Rj green
its the North that uses Ak 47's??? yes. Are they ruled by a despotical tyrant??? yes...What Im saying is that they would either be dropped because the carrier has run off because he will not put his life on the line for idiot Kim Jong Il, or the carrier has been shot...No I dont think that the south will be overrun...Truly I could care less about either country...Are you an American by chance??? Oh and as far as scorched earth goes>>> as long as they take the big commie losers to the north of NK with them ...Let the nukes off the chain...

Kraut

The biggest problem is the Norks "Harts".

Most are protected by concrete or in artificial caves....they can devastate a broad swath including Sueol....most of the UN(us) forces are within easy range.

Concensus is that they are difficult and possibly impossible to neutralize.....most are well concealed....

I suspect their precise positions are known and effective counter-measures are in place(cruise missiles?)----this isn't 1950 anymore ya know.

sasquatch

My point is missed here...How many NK soldiers will actually lay down their life for their country willingly if it comes down to it??? Would their be mass desertion by the main forces if things looked bad...Like in Iraq and Afghanistan...Or would there actually be what would be termed a real knock down drag out war???
Im curious to see. I dont think I would fight too hard for Lil Kimmy...Would you??? But then again Im not NK....

Sry kraut i apoligize,i misread your post.I dont give a ch!t about there petty problems either,but you have to admit they are a prime suspects for the next big conflict:)

You can always count on Obama to do the ass backward action every time.

Kraut
[.....But then again Im not NK....]

Very good....you arrived at wisdom all by yourself.
Past experience does not support the notion:
[...My point is missed here...How many NK soldiers will actually lay down their life for their country willingly if it comes down to it???]
Decades of conditioning(brain washing) is an awesome factor. The Nork's send infiltrators south all the time.....these are so committed that seldom can they be captured alive.
Using our experience with Saddam's host just points up to an unpopular fact....our Psy-ops were more effective/successful than Saddam's "mother of all battles" prattle.

sasquatch, I agree with you about the NorK army. Having the officers standing behind to shoot any stragglers makes the rest more interested in going forward.

I think they'll be better pulled together than Saddam's sad-sack army was. They were great at shooting civilians, stringing people up on cranes and whatnot. They just sucked at fighting where the other side shot back.