What Would We Do Without Computer Models?

Ya gotta love social engineering, all designed to protect the masses from themselves.....

Show me the money; or is it the facts because are we about to receive the new "scare em" from the scientific collusionmunity. Cheers

Peer reviewed no doubt.

OMG! I have only a few kilometers left to live! Can I sue my employer for premature death?

well Kate, what computer model did you use to come up with the 10% figure?

By my calculation, I have been dead since 1998.

It's pretty hard to spot the idiot when you are the idiot....or the cadaver..such as the case me be.

Syncro

too funny.I love it.Oh.And who paid for this "study".Don't these morons know that you start dying the second after you are born?

Pay attention people.
Not just by using computer models... but using complex computer models...by a team.
There's a difference.

Just Google the author of this report in the article, Dr. Donald Redelmeier. It would appear that this MD has devoted his career to making controversial surveys rather than to use his training for more beneficial "hands on" medicine.
Mothercorp is waiting with a free teat no doubt.

I have been retired now for 11 years and I spent 39 years trucking OTR (over the road). I figure I have going on 4 million miles under my belt. That begs the question ... How long ago should I have died?

I really thought that it would be a result of the stress of the frustration driving in a sea of blindered morons who have no idea what they are doing on the road (20+ years of observation here in Vancouver)

Holder, Obama, et al. Now they've got the Bloomer Bomber's daddy talking him into talking. Good plan, weeks and weeks after the fact, now that all the likely suspects have fled....or was that the deal? Stall until everyones hidden? Naw, Pat, don't assume conspiracy when mere incompetence will suffice.

Yep, gotta agree. The stress of worrying about where the Horsemen have set up their damn radar is taking its toll...

My computer model predicts every minute i live, I have 1 minute less to live.

My computer model predicts every minute i live, I have 1 minute less to live.

No wonder traffic in Calgary is so bad.

Thats the question I've always asked myself about other drivers, are they really dead, or justbrain dead?
Now, thanks to science, I know...

Read his reports Statins are bad, Statins are good, good blood sugar control and you'll crash your car. The guy is a research grant junkie.

well, curious_george, how did you escape from Sunnybrook Farms? Get back where you belong boy!

Is there a link to Prius ownership?

how much does driving extend your useful life??
each hour on the road equals how many hour walking??

much like how each cigarette smoked takes about five minutes off of a person's life,

When I was a school boy the experts told us that each cigarette took 14 minutes off of a person's life.

My own expert opinion says that with each new "I-pulled-this-study-out-of-my-butt-scientific-scare-campaign" the credibility of the "experts" and the MSM that touts the studies drops by 5%.

Seeing as they used a COMPLEX computer model, I am compelled to accept their results as factual. If it had been SIMPLE computer models, I could question the results. Now I am hesitant to drive anywhere as I don't want to die so young! Oh, the humanity! Automobiles should have big warning labels on the dash. Couldn't we start a huge class action suit against the automakers for cutting all our lives short of their potential? It follows that the average life expectancy should be higher in countries where they cannot afford to drive, right?

Get used to quack science. It's the core discipline of the top-down technocracy our elitist politicians are building for us. We have been run by "experts" for some time. I don't have to remind you what quackery the psychology cult have instilled into law. Now it appears other branches of co-opted science are being used to justify a litany of democratically unpalatable taxes and technocratic decrees.

The 3 amigos of depleted democracy - government elitism, lackey media, junk science.

If that's what the hospital is spending it's research budget on it looks to me like the budget is too big and the research unit is over staffed.

Not so funny research.

The street lights equalize everybody. Even if someone speeds on the highway doing 20 over the speed limit, they will still be at the light at the end of the ramp when I will pull up a few moments later.

The drivers have to slow down, as speeding does not achieve anything at all.

False sense of safety was provided by studies that "found no link between speeding and crashes", I've heard of a few. Problem with them is that they are based on the interviews of the drivers (mostly from the hospital bed) by police who did not want to admit speeding before crashing.

My own research shows that every 10 km/h over speed limit adds at least 10% fuel consumption. Gas prices would have been at least 10-20% lower across North America if drivers obeyed the speed limit.

Like I said many times, it's your right to behave irrationally, but you are dragging me with you.

would that apply to Hongkong drivers in Canada? or to their victims , us?

well, curious_george, how did you escape from Sunnybrook Farms? Get back where you belong boy!
Posted by: larben at February 3, 2010 8:18 AM "

larby makin' it personal again. very predictable trait of the extreme right wing.

Aaron, slow down yourself. At least with the lecturing.

As an ex British Racing Champion (my qualification to comment) who drove all over Europe, I am here to tell you that everyone goes like a bat out of hell over there and they're very wide awake. Hence alert. Over hear, I am half asleep at 90 clicks and despite my skill quite a bit more dangerous. Furthermore, they issue drivers licenses in Britain for life. That's because you have to be a bloody expert driver to pass. Canadian Rigworkers in the 70's had to take 2 or three runs as passing the test. The first because they assumed that all you needed was two boxtops and 3 good guesses to get their license as they do in Canada. How else do you explain Chinese drivers in Vancouver (racist I know but holy smokes they don't even look out the windshield.....and if they do they expect you to disappear).

Nope, slow kills. Skill and training saves lives. That and speed of course.

As for gas consumption, burn baby burn. That and tires smoking to keep the tire industry healthy. Nothing like a 4 wheel drift around the curve at the North end of the Lions Gate bridge. Increasing radius turn that would put a sissy like you in the weeds at walking speed I'm betting.

I'll be quiet now.

Doesn't the Theory of Relativity, special relativity time dilation Lorentz transformation, suggest that time slows down as one approaches the speed of light?
Therefore the faster you move, the longer you live relative to slower moving people.

I'll take Dr. Albert Einstein and Dr. Hendrik Lorentz over Dr. Donald Redelmeier.
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My own research shows that every 10 km/h over speed limit adds at least 10% fuel consumption. Gas prices would have been at least 10-20% lower across North America if drivers obeyed the speed limit.
~Aaron

Speed limits are assigned arbitrarily by the government in most cases and correlation between speed and fuel consumption varies.
Many cars get better fuel consumption at speeds higher than the posted speed limits.

I can always get more fuel, but not more time.
Time is therefore more valuable.
If I get through a green light and continue on my journey, I get better fuel consumption than the person who is burning fuel while idling at the red light behind me and making no progress to their destination.

There is little correlation between fuel supplies and fuel prices, 2007-2008 demonstrated that clearly.

Whoa, another Aaron and an angry one.

Everyone is a super ninja SPECOPS commando Chuck Norris on the Internet. [waiving smiley]

What would we do without taxpayer funded useless research. Those university types would have to get real jobs.

You know, it's a funny thing about Computer Models, you can get them to do anything you want.
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> Speed limits are assigned arbitrarily by the government in most cases

No, they are not. They are assigned after thorough research which is based on many factors. You are insulting the road engineers with your baseless accusations. My father is one of them, but he worked in railroad construction. They too had to assign speed limits based on many factors, such as slope, curve radius, traffic intensity and such.

Bashing opponents of speeding on the Internet is nothing new to me, the rage that you boys are boiling with is so funny. Most of you can't even change lanes. You get stuck behind me doing 100 km/h for several miles until I pull to the exit, then you speed up past me. Did anyone show you how to use mirrors, or only gas pedal?

My computer model says 100% of people who go to the doctor die. No sorry I fudged the data. no? dang, I'm getting a headache,ooooh I think I'll go for a drive.

"Whoa, another Aaron and an angry one."

No Aaron. That was me. I was typing so fast I fell of the road. Actually no idea how Aaron got there, one too many previews my guess.

Regardless, now that I've violated my pledge to keep quiet, and I've calmed down let me just say in the most friendly way..... you're wrong. But I bet you can get a job with the NDP or Libs, those great protectors of your health and well being, with those arguments.

Now I will be quiet.

Aaron - do you, by chance live in Ontario? 'Cause 90% of the speed limits in Alberta are definitely set below "track speed".

Medical people are notorious computer illiterates.

When I got to "complex computer models" I started
laughing.

Speed limits are assigned arbitrarily by the government in most cases, your disagreement notwithstanding, Aaron.

Top highway speeds in Alberta 120km/h, top highway speeds in neighbouring provinces, 90Km/h or 100km/h.
A difference of 30 km/h is purely political and has an affect on other roads regardless of engineering.

In my small city we had a 30km/h zone around a Catholic high-school and on the same road 80km/h past the Baptist all grades school.(k-12)
Was it because Baptist kids are smart enough not to wander into the road or was it political?
It was political.

This month, they removed the zone around the Catholic high-school and raised the speed limit to 60Km/h with no commensurate engineering changes to the road itself.

Answer to the Headline...

We would have slow days where Government Teat Sucking Researchers did not say anything obvious or in this case just plain stupid for us to mock.

So it does serve a purpose sort of..

the bear - The limit on Hwy 401 in Ontario is 100km/h. It isn't much more curvy in most places than any of the highways in Alberta where the limit is higher. In fact, since it's entirely controlled access it's arguably safer in some respects.

Engineers decide my butt.

Oz, you are using one lobbied exception to justify a generalization of cosmic scale. Give your head a shake.

> Top highway speeds in Alberta 120km/h

Good for you, but I would still drive at 100 in the right lane to save a few bucks on gas.

Montana and Nevada generally posted no speed limit on rural roads, havent driven there in a few years to check if its still the case.

moving the speed limit down in the US to 55 in the 70s , I believe only accounted for a 1% fuel saving.

For a non-trucker, I'e driven a lot of Km., about 3 million. By my calculation, that has shortened my life by almost 2 years. Not really a big deal.

I figure I have driven about a million k. and I dont think its shortened my lif.............

I wonder how the "complex computer model" accounts for the fact that since the mass introduction of the automobile in the early twentieth century, life expectancy has actually increased.
At first blush, it appears to be another study making the classic error of extrapolating the characteristics of the group to the individual. It allows politicians to pass edicts ensnaring the entire population which is more convenient than dealing harshly with the 5% of individuals who probably cause 95% of the problems -- kind of like the gun registry.

People, people...enough with the jokes. They've done studies, you know. Sixty percent of the time they're right every time.

Alcohol, inexperience, and arrogance kill and injure vastly more people on the road than does exceeding speed limits.
If you'd like to fund my study...;)

There is so much wrong with that clip, it's hard to know where to start.

To be brief, if everyone slowed down 5km an hour lives would be saved ... this is yet another example of punishing the innocent. If big speeding yoots and drunks were taken off the road that would do the trick and the rest of us could relax and drive.

One more ... where is says Canadian spend as much as 275 hours behind the wheel each year. ... That's only about 40 minute a day. That means you may do as many a 5500 KM per year unless you are driving about 80 miles an hour that whole time. ... Most vehicle usually accumulate about 15000 Km per year. I don't get it.

Who are these "respected Ontario researchers" and who exactly respects them?