How come it feels like the more I read what is happening in the US and Canada regarding things such as these, that I get the distinct deep gut retching I get when reading about the Jewish history regarding their allowance of pagan gods and their worship just before they have their cities ransacked, the men all killed, the women all raped and taken off into captivity for a very long time.
Looks like, what we used to call a "teepee ring", back when I was a kid in the Cypress Hills. The North American Indian people there used rocks to hold down the hide ends of the circle that spread from centre pole of the traditional Teepee. The first mobile home design in North America! I don't know if it would be most people's choice for a place of worship but it was a fine invention, IMO.
So does this mean the military Padre Corps going to have witches, warlocks and voodoo medicine men? Somehow getting last rites on the battlefield from a druid is not something any dying Christian (or Jewish for that matter)would appreciate.
Sounds like some people took Harry Potter movies too seriously. Or need to get a life.
This is certain to offend the Muslims. They don't like pagans and I think that they are divinely authorized to kill them if they don't convert to Islam.
I've seen the famous ultra-modern chapel at the Academy and I'm wondering if the lines of the structure would be ruined by adding minarets.
"Wicca is a pagan religion in that it is polytheistic and nature-revering. Since it is an old religion that is practised currently, it may also be referred to as neo-pagan. Its roots can be found in pre-Christian paganism, and it is a blend of European pagan folk tradition and 19th- and 20th-century occultism. Its present form was most likely developed in the 1930s or 1940s; however, this is a point of considerable debate inside and outside the religion. The point most often disputed is exactly how many of the traditions stem from ancient traditions and to what extent Wicca can be considered modern. There are several traditions related to Wicca, and some of them have led to other “denominations” or kinds of Wicca. Generally, however, Wicca can be defined by a few principal beliefs.
Wicca honours many gods and goddesses. The religion may be considered pantheistic in that its gods and goddesses are identified with and manifested in nature. Some Wiccans believe that all gods and goddesses are simply different manifestations of a single god and a single goddess who are together the essence of the natural world. Generally, gods and goddesses are emphasized equally."
The US has been 'clean sweeped' by the Wiccan broom in Canada...
Dancing around the circle in the buff, is not what I would call a religion per se...but some people subscribe to this pantheistic stuff.
Neo-paganism might be more accurately reflected as a 'back to the future' phenomena from a post Christian counter culture.
Psalm 24:8
"Who is the King of glory? The LORD, strong and mighty, the LORD, mighty in battle!"
I'll stick with the Psalmist thanks, somewhat more compelling than the Druids
And who is going to give up, hoisting a few on St. Paddie's day? But if you don't give a tinker's damn, now that would be a sin...
Today the feast day of St. Cornelius centurion:
St. Cornelius
Feastday: February 2
1st century
First bishop of Caesarea, Palestine, who was originally a centurion in the Italica cohort of the Roman legion in the area. Cornelius had a vision instructing him to send for St. Peter, who came to his home and baptized him, as described in Acts, chapter ten.
Neo-pagans can go round in circles.
Like the centurion St. Cornelius:
"Saints, Go Marching In!"
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
Always curious how Christians ignore their own origins of Easter (Eostre), Christmas (Yule), and how even Christian conquest is celebrated through feasts and drink (St. Patrick's day).
"St. Patrick is credited with driving the snakes out of Ireland, those snakes are actually a metaphor for early Celtic Paganism. Once St. Patrick arrived, he spread the gospel far and wide, effectively converting an entire race of people to the new religion. The story of St. Patrick is an interesting one, though, and he was credited with a miracle for his work in Ireland."
It's also nice to see tolerance for religion growing in the world, as opposed to chanting it down, or threatening death to it (and the infidels).
nice to see the U.S. military catering to such a populous group as neo-pagans. I mean the stone age was such a beautiful and enlightenging time in human history. If Avatar has taught us anything its that we really need to re-examine panthiesm as a viable religious system.
This is ludicrous and we will suffer the consequences. There's a great Chuck Asay political cartoon from the late 80s that shows future enemy soldiers talking as they walk among the dead bodies of slain US soldiers. The caption reads, "They couldn't fight worth a damn, but they sure were diverse."
I'm a 1985 grad of the Academy and it tears me up to see a fine institution (and a once great nation) brought low by divisive diversity-mongers.
This is ludicrous and we will suffer the consequences. There's a great Chuck Asay political cartoon from the late 80s that shows future enemy soldiers talking as they walk among the dead bodies of slain US soldiers. The caption reads, "They couldn't fight worth a damn, but they sure were diverse."
I'm a 1985 grad of the Academy and it tears me up to see a fine institution (and a once great nation) brought low by divisive diversity-mongers.
What's the big deal? There are enough people at the the academy requesting a site for their religious rituals and it has been accommodated. I gotta thing a stone circle is probably the cheapest chapel they ever built. If these people aren't committing illegal acts then their religion is their own business. About the only complaint I could have is who paid for it but given that the Christian chapel and the synagogue were covered by the air force I don't think we should be singling out the wiccans.
Diversity isn't divisive, being divisive is divisive. Tolerance doesn't mean acceptance, either. But as free people we should be tolerant of others' use of that freedom.
Why, when WE were in that that military, it was clean. I mean, DAMN clean. None of these colored folk. None of these thar broom riding nutbars. None of these towel headed all-a-hoo Gack-bars. Heck, those were the ones we were trying to kill dang it!
I mean, really. Broomriding?!?!? Now back then, everying was a Christian dammit. A good prayer making Christian. Your unit also looked like you. You knew who they were, even if you didn't known them. At least you knew they were Christians dammit!
And to think of the people who gave their lives to keep our countries safe and free, and look at the shit they're dragging in now. All in the name of di-ver-city. God Dang it!
The fine institution as we know it is gone to hell. It tears me up too.
I don't feel threatened by this....amused (bemused?) perhaps.
Are scientologists represented as well.....??? Tom Cruise would be so proud.......
Age of Obama???
Actually, this is kind of ironic; I just watched the "Dragnet" movie with Tom Hanks and Dan Akroyd where they had to go undercover to infiltrate a group of pagans. Not a great movie, but when I read this article, I had to laugh.
And I agree with the tenor of some other posts - if we're so busy encouraging diversity and more pavilions at the folk fest, when will we ever achieve unity of purpose? In WWI and WWII, pretty much all of Canada outside Quebec was united in our goal to defeat the enemy. Now, if we can get 50% of the people to agree on something, that's a major coup. The Islamic countries barely tolerate difference - that's why I fear increasing our immigration. Islam is one kind of unity I can live without.
During high school I attended many weekend "worship circles" at a sanctuary we called the ravine. The worship included lots of firewater and different smelling herbs. We didn't call it a "worship circle" or a “spiritual gathering”, we called it a "pit-party". A similar circle of rocks around a bonfire was a common design. Rituals often included dancing, and hopefully females removing articles of clothing. These spiritual retreats were often in a secluded place to avoid the on going religious persecution from the police.
To think, what I guiltily thought was hankie-panky with inebriated b*tches, was in fact a religious ceremony with tipsy witches.
Abandoning the principles upon which your society was founded only makes it ripe for takeover from a culture that adheres to a more aggressive, domineering, inflexible, and violent political ideology. Such is happening in Europe and it will happen here too.
Jema- Regarding the Native teepee rings, they were nothing more than prehistoric tent pegs. When it came to worship, the Natives built 'Medicine Wheels'. They were very large, and not that easy to see, unless you know what to look for. It's a serious crime to disturb one of them, on public land. Private land is still in a grey area.
Since we're on the subject of Native worship, would people be this offended if a North American Indian asked for a similar symbol? Enough of them have spilled blood, defending both the US, and Canada, to be given some consideration.
It comes down to people of one religion being unable to rationalize a different religion. That's the main reason we can't seem to recognize the danger of some religions. I think it's time to develop a ratings system for religions. Maybe even a colour code. Buddhists might be rated as least offensive, with Satanic worship being most offensive. Islam would be a close second to Satanic worship, with Christians and Jews falling somewhere south of Buddhists. Nature based religions would likely fall well within tolerance levels.
So, what's the point of mocking this? Are you mocking the neo-Pagans? If so, why? Or are you mocking the armed forces for not making sure that everyone is a Christian, god-dammit?
Grow up, willya, and keep your fire limited to the real enemies of freedom and liberty.
If they are willing to serve their country I don't have a problem. They could go to less rigorous learning institutions. The rocks are cheap and aesthetically pleasing and if they do not learn well enough could meet some personally.
At one time people thought of folks with bones in their nose rattling away was either humorous or ludicrous.
Now we embrace them like lost brothers. Every superstition ever contrived by man is seen as equal.
From ritual murder to infanticide.
Frankly some days I don't think the Civilization is going to survive the Nuts running it.
When you abandon the foundation of tour culture or reason this is the result. All things become relative.
JMO
Oh look, curious-george has yet to be hurt in sectarian violence in the past 2000 years. What could we do so he doesn't feel left out?
Posted by: larben at February 2, 2010 8:22 PM "
that's because I stay away from christians lardy.
how long before a new round of bombings in christian Ireland?
christian deutchland picking a fight with the christian allies? lucky I didn't get all shot up in that one.
I couldn't even grow up next to devote roman catholics without getting treated like dirt by the superioristic matron of the family.
nice to see xmas is *finally* reverting back to its origins.
Every religion is equally ridiculous, and equally sacred. Christians, would you like to be told that you worship a zombie? That's what someone who rises from the dead could be called. There's plenty about Christianity that can be made fun of. Find that insulting? Then STFU about other peoples honestly and deeply held beliefs.
They give space to one religion, gotta give it to all religions. Don't want a Druid saying a prayer over you on the battlefield? A Druid wouldn't want some Baptist trying to convert him as he lies dying on the battlefield either.
It's amazing how there can be cooperation and cohesiveness in a unit when the Christians are ready to mock and think less of everyone who isn't.
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There was no mention of the segment of their diversity that the nation would collapse without.
Wonder if the witches need a USAF qualification before they can broom-fly?
How come it feels like the more I read what is happening in the US and Canada regarding things such as these, that I get the distinct deep gut retching I get when reading about the Jewish history regarding their allowance of pagan gods and their worship just before they have their cities ransacked, the men all killed, the women all raped and taken off into captivity for a very long time.
Where are the gatekeepers in this nation?
Looks like, what we used to call a "teepee ring", back when I was a kid in the Cypress Hills. The North American Indian people there used rocks to hold down the hide ends of the circle that spread from centre pole of the traditional Teepee. The first mobile home design in North America! I don't know if it would be most people's choice for a place of worship but it was a fine invention, IMO.
i can't wait for the new top gun movie
This worship circle doesn't seem like such a big deal. It looks to be much cheaper to build than a mosque.
So does this mean the military Padre Corps going to have witches, warlocks and voodoo medicine men? Somehow getting last rites on the battlefield from a druid is not something any dying Christian (or Jewish for that matter)would appreciate.
Sounds like some people took Harry Potter movies too seriously. Or need to get a life.
And John Van Winkle, the spokesman for the Academy is no doubt a descendant of Rip, and is still cleaning the sleep from his eyes.
Roger Alpha, there's two fundamentalist Baptist whackjobs at your 6....engage countermeasures....
This is certain to offend the Muslims. They don't like pagans and I think that they are divinely authorized to kill them if they don't convert to Islam.
I've seen the famous ultra-modern chapel at the Academy and I'm wondering if the lines of the structure would be ruined by adding minarets.
From Canada's National Defence website:
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/pub/rc/rel/wicca-eng.asp
"Wicca is a pagan religion in that it is polytheistic and nature-revering. Since it is an old religion that is practised currently, it may also be referred to as neo-pagan. Its roots can be found in pre-Christian paganism, and it is a blend of European pagan folk tradition and 19th- and 20th-century occultism. Its present form was most likely developed in the 1930s or 1940s; however, this is a point of considerable debate inside and outside the religion. The point most often disputed is exactly how many of the traditions stem from ancient traditions and to what extent Wicca can be considered modern. There are several traditions related to Wicca, and some of them have led to other “denominations” or kinds of Wicca. Generally, however, Wicca can be defined by a few principal beliefs.
Wicca honours many gods and goddesses. The religion may be considered pantheistic in that its gods and goddesses are identified with and manifested in nature. Some Wiccans believe that all gods and goddesses are simply different manifestations of a single god and a single goddess who are together the essence of the natural world. Generally, gods and goddesses are emphasized equally."
The US has been 'clean sweeped' by the Wiccan broom in Canada...
Dancing around the circle in the buff, is not what I would call a religion per se...but some people subscribe to this pantheistic stuff.
Neo-paganism might be more accurately reflected as a 'back to the future' phenomena from a post Christian counter culture.
Psalm 24:8
"Who is the King of glory? The LORD, strong and mighty, the LORD, mighty in battle!"
I'll stick with the Psalmist thanks, somewhat more compelling than the Druids
And who is going to give up, hoisting a few on St. Paddie's day? But if you don't give a tinker's damn, now that would be a sin...
Today the feast day of St. Cornelius centurion:
St. Cornelius
Feastday: February 2
1st century
First bishop of Caesarea, Palestine, who was originally a centurion in the Italica cohort of the Roman legion in the area. Cornelius had a vision instructing him to send for St. Peter, who came to his home and baptized him, as described in Acts, chapter ten.
Neo-pagans can go round in circles.
Like the centurion St. Cornelius:
"Saints, Go Marching In!"
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"
Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!!
Always curious how Christians ignore their own origins of Easter (Eostre), Christmas (Yule), and how even Christian conquest is celebrated through feasts and drink (St. Patrick's day).
"St. Patrick is credited with driving the snakes out of Ireland, those snakes are actually a metaphor for early Celtic Paganism. Once St. Patrick arrived, he spread the gospel far and wide, effectively converting an entire race of people to the new religion. The story of St. Patrick is an interesting one, though, and he was credited with a miracle for his work in Ireland."
It's also nice to see tolerance for religion growing in the world, as opposed to chanting it down, or threatening death to it (and the infidels).
oh look. even wiccans have a variety of denominations just like *real* religionists.
do they engage in sectarian violence like christians all over the world for the past 2,000 years?
Omg I do not have to be a closet Pagan anymore!
I can build that Stonehenge replica on my front lawn without fear of reprisal for dawn rituals?
Cool.
/sarcasm
nice to see the U.S. military catering to such a populous group as neo-pagans. I mean the stone age was such a beautiful and enlightenging time in human history. If Avatar has taught us anything its that we really need to re-examine panthiesm as a viable religious system.
This is ludicrous and we will suffer the consequences. There's a great Chuck Asay political cartoon from the late 80s that shows future enemy soldiers talking as they walk among the dead bodies of slain US soldiers. The caption reads, "They couldn't fight worth a damn, but they sure were diverse."
I'm a 1985 grad of the Academy and it tears me up to see a fine institution (and a once great nation) brought low by divisive diversity-mongers.
This is ludicrous and we will suffer the consequences. There's a great Chuck Asay political cartoon from the late 80s that shows future enemy soldiers talking as they walk among the dead bodies of slain US soldiers. The caption reads, "They couldn't fight worth a damn, but they sure were diverse."
I'm a 1985 grad of the Academy and it tears me up to see a fine institution (and a once great nation) brought low by divisive diversity-mongers.
What's the big deal? There are enough people at the the academy requesting a site for their religious rituals and it has been accommodated. I gotta thing a stone circle is probably the cheapest chapel they ever built. If these people aren't committing illegal acts then their religion is their own business. About the only complaint I could have is who paid for it but given that the Christian chapel and the synagogue were covered by the air force I don't think we should be singling out the wiccans.
Diversity isn't divisive, being divisive is divisive. Tolerance doesn't mean acceptance, either. But as free people we should be tolerant of others' use of that freedom.
Why, when WE were in that that military, it was clean. I mean, DAMN clean. None of these colored folk. None of these thar broom riding nutbars. None of these towel headed all-a-hoo Gack-bars. Heck, those were the ones we were trying to kill dang it!
I mean, really. Broomriding?!?!? Now back then, everying was a Christian dammit. A good prayer making Christian. Your unit also looked like you. You knew who they were, even if you didn't known them. At least you knew they were Christians dammit!
And to think of the people who gave their lives to keep our countries safe and free, and look at the shit they're dragging in now. All in the name of di-ver-city. God Dang it!
The fine institution as we know it is gone to hell. It tears me up too.
:-)
For that hardboiled I will stick another needle in the egg...
signed,
a former
Voodoo (CF-101) Medicine Man
I don't feel threatened by this....amused (bemused?) perhaps.
Are scientologists represented as well.....??? Tom Cruise would be so proud.......
Age of Obama???
Actually, this is kind of ironic; I just watched the "Dragnet" movie with Tom Hanks and Dan Akroyd where they had to go undercover to infiltrate a group of pagans. Not a great movie, but when I read this article, I had to laugh.
And I agree with the tenor of some other posts - if we're so busy encouraging diversity and more pavilions at the folk fest, when will we ever achieve unity of purpose? In WWI and WWII, pretty much all of Canada outside Quebec was united in our goal to defeat the enemy. Now, if we can get 50% of the people to agree on something, that's a major coup. The Islamic countries barely tolerate difference - that's why I fear increasing our immigration. Islam is one kind of unity I can live without.
Geez, I never knew I was a wiccan!
During high school I attended many weekend "worship circles" at a sanctuary we called the ravine. The worship included lots of firewater and different smelling herbs. We didn't call it a "worship circle" or a “spiritual gathering”, we called it a "pit-party". A similar circle of rocks around a bonfire was a common design. Rituals often included dancing, and hopefully females removing articles of clothing. These spiritual retreats were often in a secluded place to avoid the on going religious persecution from the police.
To think, what I guiltily thought was hankie-panky with inebriated b*tches, was in fact a religious ceremony with tipsy witches.
Oh, how I miss the good ol'days.
Abandoning the principles upon which your society was founded only makes it ripe for takeover from a culture that adheres to a more aggressive, domineering, inflexible, and violent political ideology. Such is happening in Europe and it will happen here too.
Jema- Regarding the Native teepee rings, they were nothing more than prehistoric tent pegs. When it came to worship, the Natives built 'Medicine Wheels'. They were very large, and not that easy to see, unless you know what to look for. It's a serious crime to disturb one of them, on public land. Private land is still in a grey area.
Since we're on the subject of Native worship, would people be this offended if a North American Indian asked for a similar symbol? Enough of them have spilled blood, defending both the US, and Canada, to be given some consideration.
It comes down to people of one religion being unable to rationalize a different religion. That's the main reason we can't seem to recognize the danger of some religions. I think it's time to develop a ratings system for religions. Maybe even a colour code. Buddhists might be rated as least offensive, with Satanic worship being most offensive. Islam would be a close second to Satanic worship, with Christians and Jews falling somewhere south of Buddhists. Nature based religions would likely fall well within tolerance levels.
So, what's the point of mocking this? Are you mocking the neo-Pagans? If so, why? Or are you mocking the armed forces for not making sure that everyone is a Christian, god-dammit?
Grow up, willya, and keep your fire limited to the real enemies of freedom and liberty.
"Top Broom". Priceless. Might I suggest adding "Top Rug", and "Top Self-detonating Jihadi"? I admit they're not of the same caliber.
i need new glasses. When I read the title, I didn't notice the word "get"!
heres a good one. maybe next he can ask an imman.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/haiti/7119572/Haiti-earthquake-voodoo-high-priest-claims-aid-monopolised-by-Christians.html
aid to Haiti has so far been pretty much one religion
The Goddess loves me! this I know,
For the Cosmos tells me so.
Little ones to Her belong;
they are weak but She is strong.
Yes, The Goddess loves me!
Yes, The Goddess loves me!
Yes, The Goddess loves me!
The Cosmos tells me so.
When the nights are dark and long, In my heart
She puts a song. Telling me in words so clear,
"Have no fear, for I am near!"
/Well at least it ain't Scientology.
If they are willing to serve their country I don't have a problem. They could go to less rigorous learning institutions. The rocks are cheap and aesthetically pleasing and if they do not learn well enough could meet some personally.
Will the Air Force be providing supplies for their animal sacrifice rituals? What about for their human sacrifices?
One thing lead to another .... it's the blight of PeeCee-ism.
OR VIRGINS
One thing leads to another .... it's the blight of PeeCee-ism.
Just like ...
THIS
At one time people thought of folks with bones in their nose rattling away was either humorous or ludicrous.
Now we embrace them like lost brothers. Every superstition ever contrived by man is seen as equal.
From ritual murder to infanticide.
Frankly some days I don't think the Civilization is going to survive the Nuts running it.
When you abandon the foundation of tour culture or reason this is the result. All things become relative.
JMO
What's this? Nothing from ET?!
This would be a good time for her to tell us AGAIN that she's an atheist.
A good place for sonic broom
Oh look, curious-george has yet to be hurt in sectarian violence in the past 2000 years. What could we do so he doesn't feel left out?
Oh look, curious-george has yet to be hurt in sectarian violence in the past 2000 years. What could we do so he doesn't feel left out?
Posted by: larben at February 2, 2010 8:22 PM "
that's because I stay away from christians lardy.
how long before a new round of bombings in christian Ireland?
christian deutchland picking a fight with the christian allies? lucky I didn't get all shot up in that one.
I couldn't even grow up next to devote roman catholics without getting treated like dirt by the superioristic matron of the family.
nice to see xmas is *finally* reverting back to its origins.
curious_george:
Childhood trauma scores another win.
I suppose there's none better than the Air Force for being skyclad.
the response from defenders of the xian faith confirm my low opinion of them.
thank you muchly sadist and larby
1) The Druids didn't build stone circles.
2) There is no evidence the Druids ever used the stone circles that were left by Neolithic peoples.
3) Druids never wrote down any of their rituals, so their beliefs remain a mystery. How can this modern group claim any connection to Druidic worship?
4) Modern Druidism in fact started out as a joke amongst a group of college students, making it hard to take this movement seriously.
5) How do they worship when it rains? Just wondering.
1) The Druids didn't build stone circles.
2) There is no evidence the Druids ever used the stone circles that were left by Neolithic peoples.
3) Druids never wrote down any of their rituals, so their beliefs remain a mystery. How can this modern group claim any connection to Druidic worship?
4) Modern Druidism in fact started out as a joke amongst a group of college students, making it hard to take this movement seriously.
5) How do they worship when it rains?
Every religion is equally ridiculous, and equally sacred. Christians, would you like to be told that you worship a zombie? That's what someone who rises from the dead could be called. There's plenty about Christianity that can be made fun of. Find that insulting? Then STFU about other peoples honestly and deeply held beliefs.
They give space to one religion, gotta give it to all religions. Don't want a Druid saying a prayer over you on the battlefield? A Druid wouldn't want some Baptist trying to convert him as he lies dying on the battlefield either.
It's amazing how there can be cooperation and cohesiveness in a unit when the Christians are ready to mock and think less of everyone who isn't.
Backlash.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/02/03/christians-desecrate-wiccan-religious-site-at-air-force-academy/
People Against Goodness And Niceness?
Is Emil Muntz involved?
"They give space to one religion, gotta give it to all religions."
Posted by: Minnemama at February 3, 2010 11:30 AM
Not really. I don't know where you got that idea. Especially if it's just something a few people dreamed up at an acid party.