The Sound Of Settled Science

As we stand here in the shadow of the recent Olympic hockey pile ons, I see no reason to evade future pile ons, neh I say, bring it on.

The glass AGW house is shattering. The resulting collateral damage will be interesting to see. Some of the good Dr's don't know it yet. They will shortly Though. An old standby introduced by Politicians looking for an escape from the consequences of believing the usual Mystics or alchemists Utopian or catastrophic blather. Particularly from irate voters who have seen their life & earnings sucked down the rat hole of oblivion, by cons in smocks. The concept of the Goat.
They will be eaten alive.
JMO

You seem to be implying that jet exhaust is hot.

Ah, the smell of JP-4 (Turbo2) in the morning. It's the smell of freedom.

Confidence men in suits and no suits.

The Red-Green Fraud is your tax dollars.

Branson is a carpetbagger/The Music Man.

See how the politicians climb aboard the Fraud Wagon. Gaze at the $mile$.

"Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson, left, accepts Sir Richard Branson's challenge yesterday."
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"'Carbon War Room' exhorts cities to cut fossil-fuel use"
http://www.timescolonist.com/business/Carbon+Room+exhorts+cities+fossil+fuel/2580639/story.html

The AGW Fraud Gang: "The forum attracted civic representatives from such cities as Copenhagen, London, Portland, Atlanta and Chicago, as well as financiers and industry leaders."

Red-Green Orympic Alert: Not from Mao Stlong.

Reality bytes/bites an "if".

"It can change your whole life, right?" said Ian Ribera,". Right.
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"Olympic Alpine site may be for sale during games
Forbes

At the height of its Olympic glory, Whistler - the ski resort hosting glamorous Alpine events at the Winter Games - may be headed for the auction block.

It's owned by a New York hedge fund that is reportedly behind on a $524 million loan payment, the result of flagging resort business and plummeting property values.

Creditors want their money back, and they're playing hardball - calling an auction to put Whistler and other property up for sale Friday, the same day Bode Miller is scheduled to compete for his second Olympic medal in the men's super-G.

The backstory is a parable of our economic times: high-stakes hedge-fund gambles, the collapse of Lehman Brothers and the possible bankruptcy of a company that owns some of North America's most prestigious resorts.

If Whistler does get sold - meaning the slopes, the lifts, the property, all of it - some locals worry about an uncertain future.

"We don't know what these new guys want to do with the mountain. It can change your whole life, right?" said Ian Ribera, manager of Castro's Cuban Cigar Store in Whistler village.

The story begins in the distant days when Wall Street was on a seemingly unstoppable roll. Fortress paid $2.8 billion for Intrawest, which operates Whistler and other elite resorts in North America.

It borrowed about half the money from big investors like Lehman. Analysts say the idea was that soaring property prices would turn Intrawest into a massive profit machine.

Fast-forward to the 2010 Winter Games, and the world is a different place: Resorts are struggling and property prices have plunged, making it difficult to raise money in credit markets to meet loan commitments.

Analysts say Whistler, one of the premier ski resorts in North America, should have no trouble attracting suitors if the"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2453916/posts

Sorry, Kate, I don't see the problem.

Where would you put your Stevenson Screen if you wanted to measure jet exhaust temperature?

WUWT?* "before 2004"? (Fill in the blanks).

"jlc (02:51:52) :

There has to be a mistake somewhere.

there is no way the fairly responsible and fairly conservatine Canadian government would pay 156 million dollars for this stuff – 156 thousand maybe.

>>> Of course, I(f) the grants were made before 2004, the figure is not so implausible."
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Al Gore's Weather (AGW) can be found at:

AGW.com
(See Al at work.)
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"*Gore on the Arctic (again)
17 02 2010

ANOTHER BOLD PREDICTION OF AN ICE-FREE ARCTIC(sic)
Guest post by Mark Johnson"

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/17/gore-on-the-arctic-again/#comment-321376

AGW rat overboard.

UNabomber Mao Stlong is silent.
(Mao's nephew is Canadian "Liberal leader" Boob Rae.)
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"Top UN climate official resigns

Yvo de Boer, the UN's top climate change official, says he will resign after nearly four years in the post.

His departure takes effect from 1 July, five months before 193 countries are due to reconvene in Mexico for another attempt at global deal on climate.

Nations failed to reach a binding deal at the Copenhagen meeting in December.

Mr de Boer told the Associated Press news agency he was announcing his departure now so that a successor could be found before the Mexico meeting.

The former Dutch civil servant and climate negotiator was widely credited with raising the profile of climate change issues.

But suspicions and distrust between developing and industrial countries barred the way to a binding accord at the UN's climate change summit in Copenhagen in December.

He said the failure to secure a treaty at Copenhagen was unrelated to his decision to quit, and that he had begun looking for a new job last year, before the summit."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8521821.stm

I hereby volunteer to maintain and monitor an AWS in my fridge.

4 years ago on this site I commented that AGW and IPCC science were fraudulent and used only to create a bogus global crisis through which subvertive elements ensconsed in the UN power structure could advance an anti-west economic agenga. I posited that when this all shakes out, the warmist cult disciples (the useful idiots of modern global technocrtatic sovietization and profiteering pillage) who ,at that time, were demonizing Kate and any AGW dissenter who commented, were the type of fragile intellects who hadn't the guts to come back here and take the well deserved 'i-told-you-so' that they so richly deserve.

So we haven't seen a warmist here since climategate denials collapsed under the mounting evidence of IPCC junk science.

Please step forward and denounce the lies of the false prophet Gore or forever be branded as hysterical sheep!

I am waiting for some sharp legal types in the US to use a RICO like tactic over the billions of public money that has been used fraudulently by the AGE proponents.

When you compare the manitude of the Madoff or Enron fraud against the AGW fraud , there should eventually be some substantial jail time for some AGW folks.

Head of UN climate boss takes the walk. Yvo de Boer, head of the UN's climate change convention, will resign as of July 1,

Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2580794#ixzz0fthOPrtG

How did Suzuki phrase it - those who try to hide the truth about climate science should be put in jail?

Let the trials begin!

If this weather station was placed at the airport and if the AGW community is using airport station data in their calculations, then they are ignorant of the purpose of airport weather stations or stupid. Most all airports have weather stations placed to gather aviation weather data or atmospheric corrosion data. These generally are placed as close to the ramps as possible to represent the conditions the aircraft are operating in. These are not emplaced to gather global warming data. I'm sorry you folks got off on your rant for no intelligent reason. I know about what I speak. I have put these in around the world.

In case somebody thinks this location wouldn't make a difference...

http://www.videosift.com/video/Mythbusters-Jet-Blast-Flipping-Taxi-Bus-and-Plane

Words of advice for Fruit Fly and Goreacle:

Don't bend over for the soap.

You need to pay much closer attention, Country Boy. Airports are one of their favoured places to gather global climate data.

Science is settled all right - in its grave! It has committed suicide with its complicity and silence in the face of the largest attack on its credibility since Galileo. Too many politicians controlling grants - too many eager to risk discrediting their own vocation because they are first and primarily political animals - who would do well working for the old Soviet union or the jackboots of old Nazi Germany.

They have two choices now: repent, investigate and clean house with a million mea culpas or join the sinking ship and settle down in the grave covered appropriately with faux plastic flowers.

Science is settled all right - in its grave! It has committed suicide with its complicity and silence in the face of the largest attack on its credibility since Galileo. Too many politicians controlling grants - too many eager to risk discrediting their own vocation because they are first and primarily political animals - who would do well working for the old Soviet union or the jackboots of old Nazi Germany.

They have two choices now: repent, investigate and clean house with a million mea culpas or join the sinking ship and settle down in the grave covered appropriately with faux plastic flowers.

Science is settled all right - in its grave! It has committed suicide with its complicity and silence in the face of the largest attack on its credibility since Galileo. Too many politicians controlling grants - too many eager to risk discrediting their own vocation because they are first and primarily political animals - who would do well working for the old Soviet union or the jackboots of old Nazi Germany.

They have two choices now: repent, investigate and clean house with a million mea culpas or join the sinking ship and settle down in the grave covered appropriately with faux plastic flowers.

All the big media outlets are still reporting 2009 as the warmest year on record. I can't imagine where this took place. Canada has been abnormally cool. I heard stories of snow in Australia, crop failure in Chile, and record cold in Europe. Granted, the European freeze was mostly after the new year, but there were plenty of reports of cold weather in 2009.

You're being too hard on them Kate. The temperature sensors are insulated from the jet exhaust by the bird feathers impinging at high speed out the engines.

Hahahaha! You deniers are funny. Actually, airports are the best places to collect climate data. It works like this: The ramps, runways and engine exhausts are typically warmer than ambient. Warmer air rises, right? So over the ramp in the picture, the air, including jet exhaust beyond a certain point, is rising. Air has to be drawn to the area to replace the rising warmer air, right? That air comes from off the airport, washes over the Stevenson screens and causes the sensors to record the air temp of the surrounding off-airport area, hence reliably measuring temps of everything BUT the airport.

All of Alaska's first-order stations are on airports which ensures that the recorded temps there are accurate and the warming of Alaska is real and scary.

Just thought I'd set you straight.

[sarc off]

Lou

I don't see a problem here. I am sure jet blasts were just as hot thousands of years ago.

Funny, Lou. The problem is, plenty of people will take that comment seriously, and be absolutely convinced it's a proven fact.

AGW supporters have an abnormal relationship with the theory. It gives their life meaning because they believe they are saving the world and that gives their tiny little egos a feeling of superiority.
When their life's meaning evaporates before their eyes (like we told them it eventually would) grief sets in.
Watching this thing die makes you feel a little bit sorry for guy like No-Logic-Lou.

Not only is it very hot here, the wind only comes out of one direction.

It's unsettling.

"These generally are placed as close to the ramps as possible to represent the conditions the aircraft are operating in. These are not emplaced to gather global warming data. I'm sorry you folks got off on your rant for no intelligent reason. I know about what I speak. I have put these in around the world."

I call troll. Just how many have you installed at the END of RUNWAYS? I want a NUMBER and a LIST of these airport installations. Prove that this is standard practice!

You can't.....

Why was the station not installed on the SIDE of the runway? Any data from this station is worthless. Even if it's "supposed" purpose is to "measure jet exhaust temp" (what a load of bulls**t).

This station fails all logical explanations. It cannot reliably measure ANY temperatures.

When was this station installed? There might be another clue there.

There are never going to be trials for any of the Biggies behind AGW, our system does NOT work that way.Maybe a few foot soldiers will be sacrificed, but NEVER will Al Gore or any of the others go to trial. They have too many friends in government.

You'll notice that all politicians including Prentice and Harper are still talking about the "climate crisis" and taxation, sequestration, etc.

This battle has only begun,to analogize, we've just landed on the beaches of Norway (Paul Martin tribute there) and have gotten a foothold. We still have to go all the way to Berlin to finally defeat the enemy.

Ole country boy is funny! I can't think of any reason to put the weather station 'close to the ramp' especially because it "represent the conditions the aircraft are operating in". When I fire up my little C150 on the ramp and taxi to the end of the runway a mile away I really don't need the specific temperature of the ramp. I need the ambient air temperature near the runway to know how long my take off roll is going to be or what my glide slope airspeed should be. Getting the local temperature from a thermometer parked in the jetwash of a 737 would do about as much good to a pilot as telling him to land down wind in a hurricane.

Is that the ivory tower in between the two thermometers?

dp:

I remember reading (here, I think) that the boobs in England don't take an average reading of all days, but only selected days. They also think winter begins in November. So, because much of the world had a longer Indian summer last year, November was warmer than usual. And, IIRC, they pick the warmest days. Talk about cherry picking your data! So the "researchers" have already made their determination that this winter is warmer than "normal", regardless of what happens in January, February, and March. How this stuff happens is beyond me.

I asked my wife yesterday if she's heard anything about AGW lately and she said "nada" to my disappointment. We haven't penetrated the main stream public about the science, and I doubt that main stream public will ever grasp the size of the power struggle nor the assault on their liberties that has transpired.

That's all news to people in the weather community, about winter including November, and the UK not counting all the days.

We'll need some documentation on that, I think.

Winter to climatologists around the world (n.h. at least) is Dec-Jan-Feb. Not astronomical winter but what is called climatological winter. This is what all weather folk use as their standard for winter.

As for the UK measuring monthly temperatures, this is a highly scrutinized procedure there, they even have big arguments on websites about which stations are most representative, but very definitely, every day goes in, and the procedures are the same now as they were years ago.

The prime statistical index, the "CET" (Central England Temperature series") has been religiously maintained with half the world's weather weenies looking at every day's entries, so I wouldn't worry too much about cheating there.

If you want to see the whole historical record from 1659 to present day, it is here:

http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/cetml1659on.dat

and if you would like to see the daily values that have been kept since 1772, they are here:

http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/cetdl1772on.dat

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If you get into the second (daily) file please note that the temps listed there are in tenths of a degree Celsius, and are averages of daily max and min. There are other products available to show the daily max and min. The grid used for maintaining the CET is approximately from Manchester to the northwest suburbs of London, and includes mainly rural sites that are not warming due to urbanization. The record is considered "homogeneous" by most people in the weather business, pro or anti AGW, so it's widely considered a true indicator.

There are many interesting things to be found in the CET record, and there's nothing else with quite as long a historical base of actual instrumental readings. Most people consider the data from 1659-1710 to represent the heart of the LIA and the Maunder minimum cold spell. This period was early instrumental, but some quality control was applied even back in the 1940s when this record was first being developed, by comparing snowfall data with the temperatures to make sure the early data were not way off the trend lines of temp-snow correlation. This was done by respectable people now long since departed and not tainted by AGW considerations.

You'll notice how much colder this winter has been than almost all winters in the CET since 1987, the only other winter somewhat like it would be 1990-91. This factoid of recent mild winters (before 2009) is one of the reasons why so many Europeans bought into the AGW theory perhaps more than we did in North America. And for the same reason, they are now dropping their support levels, because they're seeing evidence of a more variable climate after two years of cool summers and cold winters.

To the C150 fellah that talked about the placement; You are probably not qualified to see atmospheric and corrosion stations next to the ramp (that picture was next to the ramp,not the end of a runway. You see, my stations went in where the C/KC 1..s, C1.s, B5.s, etc. operate. The biggest danger there is the F15s testing their weapon systems radars and blowing everything out.

The weather stations you see at your local airport are operated by NOAA or the local flight service station and are located at the airport because 1) that is where the airplanes are, 2)and they are easy to maintain by airport personnel. When you see a station right next to the ramp, they are generally interested in the chlorides, nitrides, exhaust contaminants, and parking temperatures of the aircraft. If any of you are able to watch the boob tube, you will notice that the local temperatures are generally "officially" higher at the commercial airport than at the surrounding MESO stations. Because, for all you international flight captains, the equipment is almost alwasy near concrete or tarmac of somekind.

I will not tell you where these atmospheric (vs weather) installations are; you do not have a need to know. I love it when the local moron automatically calls troll if he/she has only superficial knowledge of the subject.

Actually ol' country boy it was you that called the air monitoring station a weather station. When I saw the picture I assumed it was an air monitoring station since the "weather" measured by such a station would be useless for flight purposes. Isn't that what I said in the last post?

Well country boy as someone who has been using the screens for the last 35 years I can tell you unequivically they aren't placed so close to the ramp. There are very specific criteria to place a Stevenson Screen and that close to a ramp isn't anywhere near the criteria. They are sited at airports because in the past the airport was out in the boonies a long way from the heat sink of the city.

This is delicious irony.

Lou and country boy want us to base our conclusions on 'scientific fact' NOT the perception of scientific fact.

Clearly the perception from this picture is that hot jet exhaust fumes will increase the temperature on this thermometer. But the 'scientific fact' is that it won't, and is deliberately set there as it provides accurate data.

If only this process was consistently observed; however lefties use "facts" when it suits their goals, and ignores them when it doesn't. At least they're consistent in that regard.

Posted by: Ol' Country Boy
// These are not emplaced to gather global warming data. I'm sorry you folks got off on your rant for no intelligent reason. I know about what I speak. I have put these in around the world. //

This is identified as on Watt''s site as "Rome’s airport weather station". It is really sited at a parking area of a small one-runway airport called Ciampino, south east of central Rome. "Rome's airport" would be Fiumicino [Leonardo da Vinci]
The WMO lists this Ciampino as one of the four Rome locations of weather stations for which they provide montlhly data.
ROMA/URBE 41 57N 12 30E
ROMA/CENTOCELLE 41 52N 12 34E
ROMA/CIAMPINO 41 48 N 12 35 E
ROMA/FIUMICINO 41 48N 12 14E
This is the googlemap with the given Ciampino coordinates The parking area location shown by Watt is plainly visible at the top [below the green oval], but the coordinates point to a small park further south.

Ulike Ol' Country Boy, I don't know a lot about weather stations. But I have heard that they try to locate urban ones in small parks, which fits here. That & the fact that Watt's doesn't give coordinates, [or unambiguous names] AND that this picture doesn't appear in the Sunday Times article, lead me to a certain .... skepticism.

As my Scots relatives used to say, if you're not kicking them when they're down you're doing it wrong.

Well Dizzy,,,, I do believe you shut the Boy up.
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I think I have to shut myself up a bit here. In the last bit the park location is the EXACT Lat/Long location. But the Watts picture of the station is near enough that its GP would round off to the exact location. So there's probably just the one, correctly identified by Watts.
[At this lattitude. 41 48 N 12 35 E would describe a 2km by 1km figure the shape of Saskatchewan.]