Faster Than A Speeding Bullet

so there are(or was) around 18,000 weak,slow coyotes? Personally,I have yet to see ANY animal faster than a bullet,so I guess they are slow.And the kook at the link in the comments who thinks the human pop. is around 7 TRILLION? Maybe we are weeding out the wrong pests???

Its astonishing how many people in Eastern Canada still watch Disney Movies it seems.
From the comments section its almost quaint how stupid The Urban centers of Toronto land central Canada. Are about Wildlife management. Because of hunting haters thousands of deer starve to death during winter.
Typical Urban mentality , deluded by living in an unnatural environment.
Personally I like living in a province with no Norway rat. Saves fray's of millions in crops for a fraction of cost.
JMO

Coyotes are smart buggers and there are lots of them. The farm I used to live on had its fair share and after a few of them where shoot all of a sudden the rest did not want to hang out around our place near as much. We kept everything nicely under control by killing 4 to 6 every year.

I've checked with two different browsers on Mac OS and two different browsers on Windows XP.

The page in question is

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2010/02/19/sk-coyote-program-1002.html#ixzz0g2OvDOLo

In all cases I see the phrase,

"Some wildlife and environmental groups have expressed skepticism that the bounty would be effective at eliminating the coyotes that prey on farm animals, claiming that only the weaker, slower coyotes would be killed."

highlighted in yellow.

Is this not odd?

[I did save a screenshot, just in case I later think I was imagining things again]

The statement "bounty in NS only made coyotes produce bigger litters. Solution..."Raise the bounty so folks can afford more ammunition"

So the faster, stronger coyotes are "faster than a speeding bullet..." eh? Wow.

From the CBC comments: After the similar mass killing of Richardson ground squirrels, it’s a wonder there’s any wildlife left in Saskatchewan at all.

I'm all for the Province paying for more "guardian dogs" and gopher fences.

"how stupid The Urban centers of Toronto land central Canada"

I went through about six pages of those comments looking for that attitude. I didn't find people identifying themselves by location, except maybe the guy who said there should be a bounty on city councillors, not coyotes.
Believe it or not, we have farms and forests here.
Maybe you just can't help whining on about your favourite stereotype. (A least try complete sentences next time - did you have a rough night?)
Personally, I have come across a few coyotes on my pre-dawn run, and they look at me and go about their business. If they became a problem I'd agree with a bounty; right now they make my life easier because terrified dog owners keep their yapping mutts inside or in their own yard.

Whatever happened to survival of the fittest, and those who know when to duck?

The bounty should be on stupid city-slickers & the morons that make up the MSM.

Why is it that these "wildlife groups" (most filled with life-long urbanites) think they always know better than professional wildlife managers?

And what is their aversion to controlled culling? The swift, painless dispatching of excess population - I mean these same types recommend the same thing for stray and unwanted domestic pets.

I suspect they've never seen the effects of coyote over-pop - watched as emaciated animals suffer a long painful death from distemper, parasites, mange and other maladies of over-pop. A fast .223 to the chest ends a lot of pain and prevents the horrid death the animal would suffer naturally.

These anti-hunting, anti-culling people are neurotic and stupid and should have no say in the scientific management of wildlife populations.

They need social progression to make them stronger and faster. A better lobby group would help too. Food bank would be nice. I'll stop now.

evolution at work!

Coming soon, to The Nature Of Things:

Man causes evolution to speed up to muzzle velocity. Suzuki calls for bullet cap&trade.

There should be a bounty on dogs and cats too.

right now they make my life easier because terrified dog owners keep their yapping mutts inside or in their own yard.
~hudson duster

If you actually had any real coyote population around you'd know that the screeching and howling of coyotes can't be touched by yapping dogs.
Coyotes sound like banshees some nights around where I live.

Amazingly the strong fast and relatively smart coyotes would evade hunters and modify their farm animal attacking ways, ensuring a healthy next generation not seduced by the easy lunch.

Nature is not a place where the weak and slow are coddled along and cared for by the strong. Only humans do that, oh and we do it really poorly.

Silly urbanites. Everyone knows the best coyote control is an Acme Catalogue and a Master Card.

"Coyotes sound like banshees some nights around where I live."

yup, here also. In the past you were lucky to ever glimpse one, and only heard them far off in the distance howling.

These days they come so close to the house at night and are so numerous, you can actually hear that "yip yip yip-yap" chattering, snarling, & murmuring within the pack among each other.

This program has the enthusiastic endorsement of the GWS. (The Gopher Welfare Society)

If the bounty is high enough, it'll work. If it's too low, they'll end up attracting only the slower, weaker bounty hunters.

Bob Devine has it figured out. If you send a message to a population of coyotes, they'll adapt. What they need to do, more than anything, is to instill a fear of man, into those coyotes. That's going to be tough, considering Nova Scotians have been brow beaten into believing gun ownership, and hunting, are evil.

One thing I can tell you, for a certainty, Nova Scotians expect the government to solve the problem. My last few visits have been an eye opener. There aren't many independant thinkers left, down there. Apologies to anyone who doesn't fit that description, but I think you'll probably agree with me.

The comments at the CBC are ill-informed and wrong on so many levels. The person who asked how many dogs were missing to get the bounty from the 4 paws - if you can't tell the difference between a much larger dog paw and a coyote paw you are not from a rural area (the paws have to be verified).
The person who said that all these coyotes are here because their habitat is being pushed out by humans: That's wrong. Coyote populations are increasing because the climate is favorable and food supplies are favorable. They aren't being pushed from anywhere - coyotes are one of the most adaptable species and live in cities and towns around the country.
If coyote populations are allowed to increase and "take their natural course" as these bleeding heart animal rights people want it to you would have starvation, more people interaction with coyotes, bolder coyote populations, and disease (in other words, suffering all around).

This sort of reminds me of this story I saw on CTV the other day about finding eagles dying in Alberta. The conservationist in the interview said that high lead levels were found in the eagles' tissues. She then went on to say that this is because eagles' food sources are scavanging on carcasses left from hunters and they are pumped full of lead because of the ammunition used to kill the animals. That is the most stupid and wrong statement I've ever heard and nobody questioned this lady on it.
That may be her best guess as to what is occurring but she is wrong. Big game is not hunted with shotguns, they are hunted with rifles. Shotguns are reserved for bird hunting. Rifles fire projectiles but they don't fracture into a bunch of little pieces upon contact with the animal. They stay intact. This is completely false information - I don't see how her claim could possibly be true.
I just read the other day how Alberta has high levels of lead in its fish populations because of natural sources. Wouldn't this seem like a more likely cause? Humans who eat wild game don't seem to suffer from the same lead poisoning as these birds. What's up with that?

It will be tough to get the coyote population under control since the libs took most of the guns. We never had coyotes creep up to the farm more than once. Always had a 22 in the truck, tractor, snowmobile.

Used to put out a side of bacon to attract weasels. They kill rats and all other rodents.

Now we live on the last street in a large town. Cultivated field out our back deck. Coyotes always lurking in the field. Waiting for the senate to pass the bill eliminating the gun registration. Then out comes the stash and by by coyotes.

Bets- I watched that piece about AB eagles, and I'm also skeptical. Lead shot can, indeed, cause lead poisoning, but I doubt it's affecting many eagles. Most ducks and geese that aren't picked up by hunters are eaten by other scavengers, because eagles tend to avoid areas with a lot of hunters.

Steel shot has become mandatory in most areas, anyway. It was more of a strategy to keep the lead pellets from being eaten by fish.

Thanks for the laugh, the comments at CBC are worth the read.

Through our selective cruelty we are creating a race of mutant super coyotes. I'm going to start digging the bunker today.
Similarly:
http://www.icanhasmotivation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/flyingsharks.jpg

Actually you only want the slow coyotes killed. They tend to be the weak, elderly or sick animals, which tend to risk preying on livestock because they cannot catch wild game. Preying on livestock means more likelihood of an encounter with humans, which most wild animals will try to avoid.

From the CBC comments:
"My parents run a sheep farm in the Athabasca area. We have seen packs of up to 20 coyotes in the area. Number of sheep lost each year to predation - zero. Proper fences and protection dogs means no need to kill any coyotes. What a waste and a shame."

Note he has seen packs (plural, thats packs) of 20 coyotes. More than 1 pack of 20 coyotes. And they don't eat sheep.

A pack like that, if it exists, would devour a guard dog as a first strike strategy. Coyotes love dog. It tastes like chicken.

Just love these leftard stories. I call bullshit.

The coyotes around here just look for the numerous wild rabbits. We had one prowling the back yard last year and we shot it with a camcorder. The pictures turned out well.

Note: No animals were hurt in the making of this camcorder video.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

Preying on livestock means more likelihood of an encounter with humans, which most wild animals will try to avoid.
~Richard

I disagree.
Wild predators attack based on opportunity alone.
Only negative encounters with humans teaches them that humans aren't a good opportunity for food but pose a greater chance of harm than an opportune attack warrants.

Humans don't give wild animals a sense of threat like other wild predators do.
The body language is all wrong.

Meanwhile, humans walk around carrying a tasty food supply with them and are rarely armed and prepared for an attack.
Domestic stock are domesticated, largely docile, and pose an easy opportunity to become prey.

Got a bunch of young fellas at the company I work, and the ones on the night shift come in at about 2 am. One kid has to get a ride in from his mom, but being the kind hearted lad he is, he told her he'd walk, seeing as it's only over on the next concession, all he has to do is walk through the fields in back of his house to work.
Upon arrival the first night, he mentioned he thought he was followed by something, but wasn't sure what it was.
By day three, he knew it was a coyote, maybe a couple.
By day five or six, he saw their beady little eyes watching him from the scrub, and behind the snow drifts.
The next week, using the lad for bait, we bagged 9 (I think, a couple we couldn't find).
That was fun, gotta love those night vision scopes.

And now they don't bother him no more.

But I'm sure they will be back. At least that what I am hoping...

It's always the same deal. The folks in the big cities making rules for those of us that live in the rural areas as they think that they have some lock on intelligence because they live in a polluted concrete jungle.

Isn't it always the way. Those that have nothing, or very, very little to do with a subject, make the rules for those that live it.

Strange Brew

Reading the comments on the CBC site makes me wonder if we are talking about the same animals. The prairie coyotes I'm familiar with tend to be solitary critters. They sometimes co-operate with one or two others but almost never work in packs unless there is lots and lots of food laying around. Being the scavengers/small game hunters they are, they tend to view other coyotes as competition not assistants.

I was snow-shoeing in the north lease last month (Kirriemuir area, east central Alberta) when I realized I was being followed by four coyotes. For weapons I had a pocket knife and my snow-shoe poles for assisting going up steep hills. The next hour was rather tense as I was obviously being stalked and I would have been screwed if they'd all come at me at once.

Ever since I make sure I have the air rifle and a machete poking out the top of my pack in the event this happens again while I'm out in the lease by myself.

Last year I came out of my home in the early morning to find that three of the varmints had my dog cornered. I managed to nail two and wound the third.

They're definitely a problem where I live.

around here the suckers are large (hybrids) and bold, will walk up to people in mid day (to within 15-20 feet). Some of these animals are 70+ lbs and will eat your dog, as two sharpes found out the hard way. These city idiots ain't got a clue, nor a brain to store it in!!

> The prairie coyotes I'm familiar with tend
> to be solitary critters.

That partly depends on how much they've mixed with the local wolf population.

Smitherenzes @ 1:21, agreed. During the last few years in the area we live, the number of attempts by small packs of 3 or 4 coyotes have attempted to lure our dog and many of the neighbour's dogs away from the yard. They will even use a female coyote to attract a male dog. Some smaller dogs have gone missing in the area.

We never let our small grandchildren play outside alone when they come to visit. This was not a problem when our children were growing up. We have also seen them watching the house from 50 feet away and noticed them watching us mow the lawn from a 100 feet or so.

Thirty-five years ago, we rarely saw a coyote and last summer it was almost a daily occurrence. This will most likely change though, as in our municipality a couple of hundred have been shot.

All the wildlife quantities have increased, as we now have a few moose, wolves and bears around for probably the first time in a hundred years. Antelope have moved this far north for the first time in recorded history. Ravens have moved south to this area and we see bald eagles almost daily along the North Saskatchewan River north of Saskatoon.

I still don't like the fact that government is handing out money for people to do stuff.

And obsessively chasing the Katewerk Critter has the same effect, no doubt.
A bounty actually selects those which avoid man.

Duster, typos happen. Just remove Revenant Dream's "l" and "." to get: "From the comments section its almost quaint how stupid The Urban centers of Toronto and central Canada are about Wildlife management."

Definetly the funniest CBC comments thread I've seen.

I think the idea of making the critters skiddish towards people is pretty sound. Any hunter can tell you that the reaction of wildlife towards humans is quite visibly different at the beginning and end of hunting season.

I think its as simple as this, coyotes become dangerous when they aren't getting shot occaisionally.

On coyotes being solitary critters. In my experience, its most often the case that I see them going solo. However I can name numerous occaisions where I saw several of them chasing whitetail. Likewise, occaisionally when we have the call going, 2 or 3 will come in together to investigate.

"Definetly the funniest CBC comments thread I've seen."
Agreed!

Here's my favorite:
"One farmer who was loosing livestock took a pro active stance and put out chicken carcass at the same time every night. Coyotes came in right away and scavenged.

The farmers losses dropped right off to nothing. After a few months of this, the coyotes would stand in site waiting for the grub to come out."

You see the key to the problem is simple, turn them all into pets! The commenter has a point, this strategy worked in the domestication of dogs didn't it? Lets give it a try! Perhaps in another 2000 years we'll know the results. ;)

My dad and I witnessed this out on the field a few years back:
A jackrabbit goes flying by with a coyote in hot pursuit, about thirty yards behind. We watched the spectacle unfold- the rabbit swinging around in a big loop, but losing ground. As they were nearing where we were, a second coyote popped up and took up the chase, relieving the spent one.
Kind of reminds one of the speed-skating relays currently on in Vancouver. Coyotes made top of podium, rabbit got bronze...posthumously :~(

There is one comment in there about how their birthrate increases when hunting increases. This has proven true in Pennsylvania, where there are about 30,000 coyotes. Hunting has tripled in the past 10 years, and their numbers are still increasing!

They are now moving into suburban areas, causing havoc to cats, dogs, and hikers. See: http://www.wpxi.com/news/20018340/detail.html
Allegheny county (cf. Pittsburgh, PA where this happened) has a population of 1.2 million.

I will be very surprised if this does not become an issue for Canada's urban areas.

If any Canadian wants to come to PA to take a few Coyotes home, by all means come on down!

I think many people here are missing the point. The urban folks are abhorred by the idea that anyone could, or should, enjoy their atavistic impulse to hunt. Who could imagine the joy that first man, 10,000 years ago, felt when he threw a rock and killed his dinner? That a modern man should even feel the faintest thrill at shooting an animal makes these urban folks sick, as they tuck into their $50 steaks.

Accordingly, their solution will not be to allow individuals to hunt. Instead, they will send out dispassionate groups of "professionals" who feel no more satisfaction than if they shot a target when they drop a coyote.

It's all part of the process to eliminate the enjoyment of victory or the thrill of the contest. It begins when every kid in a sports tournament gets a "participant" ribbon. It continues when every kid in the class gets a year ending "Best of .." something trophy (as has happened in my daughters' classes; I congratulated my elder daughter on her English trophy, and, rather crossly, she told me "It doesn't mean anything. Everybody gets something."). They can't completely stamp it out, as the Olympics are proving, but even there, I see MSM stories that focus as much on the disappointments and laud the "heroism" of the guy who trained for four years, and came in 85th.

In order to produce a completely cowed population, you need to quell, if not quash, the competitive, independent spirit. A responsible hunter respects his prey, and knows it's a contest between his brain and skill, and the animal's superior speed, sight, hearing, and smell. A good hunter will not take lightly to being ordered around, or being told to keep his opinions to himself (pace Ms. Lynchmob in another thread). To use another animal metaphor, this is all part of the long slow process of producing sheeple. Baaaaaa..

All this has caused me to reflect.
Here in SW Ontario, in the 50's groundhogs were a plague. Mid-60's I acquired a .222 with a scope....without realizing the engagement range increased because of a declining population.
It was assumed that this was because of less meadowcrops/pasture.
Coyotes were never seen but from time to time bagged during "jack-drives".
Then livestock losses began to climb.
Woodchucks simply disappeared.
Then in the 90's, nightime coyote choruses were
heard occasionally.....now common.
Coyote sightings are now frequent----
My first encounter was in the 90's,after mid-nite, in South London in a Ryder yard....of all places...
After decades of neglect that .222 has now been rehabilitated. It's combination of power, range, low recoil....is ideal....in most circumstances.
Months back, I had an encounter when, fortunately by circumstance, I was armed with a Walther...
My dogs barking on the porch were facing off with a pack of normally solitary predators. When I opened the door and stepped out....the dogs scooted inside and the pack rushed. I took the first at the prodigious range of about 6 feet. I dropped 5 before the pack evaporated into the dark.....
I didn't report it----handgun, after dark, and the possibility of a Liberal voting cop....Nahh....

I've never known a critter than can outrun or survive a well-placed shot from a 3-ought-6. These are dangerous animals that do NOT belong in the east. Wipe them out.

Damn fine shootin Sasquach.

Nice shooting is right! Gotta love the Walther PPK for a fast, accurate shooter with minimal recoil.

Yup, shoot them. Shoot all of them, shoot them now.

Haven't seen a coyote yet this month, but I saw a road runner yesterday.

It was fast, but not faster than .223

DP
[....Damn fine shootin Sasquach.]
Not really. At 6 feet there is more room to miss than hit but missing would be so embarrassing or worse. The terminal effect of that hollow point, was relaxing....everything seemed to slow down. I don't trust even a GP 35 or P38 to feed hollow points....full patch (modified) seems quite effective at point blank......where fire power is helpful and accuracy is not a biggy.
arctic_front
[....Gotta love the Walther PPK for a fast, accurate shooter with minimal recoil.]
PPK's are for girls.....or James Bomb..... P38....that first customer stopped like he hit a wall.
My main point is these critters ARE a threat to public safety.