What a pleasure listening and watching an individual with a remarkable degree of righteous anger and the language and courage to speak out. I frequently ponder the circumstances that brought together those superior men and women destined to become our Founding Fathers. Is Breitbart a leader in a new coalition for a Second Founding?
Just think what might have happened had the media recognized the error of its ways during Rathergate and actually worked to eliminate biased reporting and editorializing of the news......
I like that Breitbart doesn't attempt to use passive aggressive words, a technique perfected by the left and those cowed by the left. Politeness has its virtues but it can easily be turned into a weakness in our politically correct obsessed world.
Geez, this overgrown baby is the best you guys can do?
(Guess it fits in with your love of overgrown baby-heads, i.e., Rove, Cheney, Limbaugh, Beck...all tubby infantile-headed sexless creatures...)
The guy's talking about Maddow 'underselling the last president" -- jeez, the guy was the most hated President in history, what's to undersell?
And all the usual whining and whinging about the 'liberal media'...Half the time you're bragging about how Fox dominates all the other channels, then you're whining 'bout the Big Mean Liberal Media. Come on, guys. Pick a story and stick with it.
If this is the best you, bring it on! We Christian Progressives will beat you everytime!
Notice how he answers a question with a logical, rational answer. So different from either the pre-rehearsed programmed obfuscations of Obama, or the umms and ahhs and non-answers of the unrehearsed Obama.
Breitbart is essentially declaring that the corruption in politics, which has taken over the Democratic Party, and expanded to include a corrupt MSM, as well as union corporations (and unions are massive corporations) and special interest groups - can't hide from reality.
That is, the virtual reality show of Obama, filled with hyberbole and utopian rhetoric, repeated endlessly by the entranced MSM, can't stand up to facts. To reality. To the real, rather than the imaginary, world.
And, the people who live in the real world, are..the average American. These are the people whom Obama sneers at, whom he and his elitists consider must be ruled and run by a Benevolent, All-Embracing Big Brother Government. These are the people whom Pelosi and Reid want to control, as they skim off this same taxpayers' largesse for their own well-being, and for use in bribes for votes. These people live in the real world and have the power of reality. Obama and the MSM live in a virtual world that is coming apart at its fictional seams.
We may wish to temper our enthusiasm for Breitbart, if only for his own sake.
He has become increasingly angry since he started his "big" things; I'm thinking of his amusing but kinda scary op en in the Washington Times (?) about going down three flights of stairs to confront some people he overheard slamming George Bush -- only to realize he had misheard them and they were actually a couple of kids on _his_ side.
It was funny esp if you're a 24/7 political animal like me who actually do something like that too.
But...
He seems to be getting more physically and psychologically rigid (yes, this is ME talking) and I worry for his health. I am not being sarcastic. We need him alive, not necessarily on the verge of a coronary all the time, or the Right wing Archie Bunker.
His observations are spot-on. He is documenting a similar populist movement that started all great things in human history. We can now watch history unfold on Youtube!
Heh - mouth is 'right'? Actually, he's not. If one considers the name 'Archie Bunker' as a metaphor of a bigoted, ignorant, crass and boorish individual, then, this well describes many on the left, including a large component of the MSM, Hollywood, the latte crowd and the Democrats, including Pelosi, Reid, Holder, Axelrod, Gibbs, Emanuel, Napolitano..all this crowd.
After all, bigotry, ignorance, boorishness is obvious in the left's attacks on anyone who dares to dissent and critique Obama - e.g., the Tea Parties, the Town Halls, FOX news. Equally, the attacks on Palin, the accusations of 'racism' if you critique Obama, or demonstrate in the Tea Parties.
The denigration of Congress by insisting that it pass bills without reading them. The sneers at the American people by telling them that they are basically ignorant, and the reason they are against health care is simply that it has to be 'explained in more simple terms'. The constant blaming of others rather than accepting responsiblity.
All of that is leftist style Archie Bunker.
And, the ignorance and fictional worlds, akin to the 1970's hippiedom, in which the so-called 'Progressive Christians' live - with their utterly naive campfire world of cultural relativism - that's the basement of the leftist version of Archie Bunker.
ET - I've seen the odd episode of All in the Family. My understanding is that Archie was originally intended to be the reactionary straight-man for the sympathetic Meathead, but wound up being the only really relatable character on the show. Wasn't there an "Archie Bunker for President!" meme at one point?
I like to think that M*A*S*H's Frank Burns had a similar thing going on.
I'm pretty sure that Archie Bunker was never anything other than "right wing", however much of a jerk he was generally. If the character hadn't rung true, the public would never have cared. Surely Kathy was implying that Breitbart should try to avoid a similar jerkishness?
(I'm worried about Breitbart too - seriously, he look like he's on the verge of a stroke. I'm not kidding.
black mamba - I didn't get, from watching Breitbart, that he was behaving in a bigoted, ignorant and crass manner - which is the definition of Archie Bunker. So, I'll have to pass on what Kathy meant by her use of the name.
"If one considers ... 'Archie Bunker' as a metaphor of a bigoted, ignorant, crass and boorish individual, then, this well describes many on the left,....."
One of the most false notes in "All in the Family" was the Bunker back-story, the nostalgia for Herbert Hoover, and the long association with Republicans. Archie was merely an exaggeration of the unionized Democratic steel-workers and auto-workers with whom I grew up. They were FDR and JFK worshippers who realized how they had been deceived, taken for granted, and patronized by their trusted leaders.
Like "giving unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's, and giving unto Ceasar's what is God's - so Ceasar can redistribute it to the needy" and "keep feeding fish to the poor daily instead of teaching them how to catch them"?
Is that what a "Progressive Christian" means, real/mouth?
And what about George Bernard Shaw calling for a universal board to evaluate everyone's contribution to society, and "humanely gassing" those who do nothing but take instead of give?
Actually "All In The Familly" was cloned from a Brit sit-com.
In both the original and the clone....something occurred which shook the creators.....viewers were cheering for Archie.....the networks had a winner and the creators had a Frankenstein on their hands.....that they couldn't euthanize because of contractual/financial reasons.
This something the lefties have ignored at their peril.....The Archies have well developed principles...while the Meatheads are the real biggots.
The term 'progressive Christians' seems to me to be a cover for a socialist leftist.
You know, the elitists who need an impoverished lower class to whom they can feel superior and bustle around handing out old clothes and food banks, and telling these poor that 'we are all equal'. Heh. Not to the progressive Christian; after all, he knows he's superior to any and all who don't agree with him and his need-to-dominate.
That's what Breitbart and Beck are talking about. The socialists who are destroying the middle class, the people who are self-reliant, who work today and know there is a tomorrow wherein they can continue to try for self-reliance. The socialist left are against self-reliance; they prefer dependency. That is, they prefer Others being dependent on Them. Makes them feel 'good'.
Turning this socialist virtual fiction into a religious dogma is a blatant attempt to remove its dogma from the hard view of critical reasoning. And boy, does it fall apart when you check it out that way.
Oh I agree, FREE, just trying to catch "mouth" on a slip-up. If he's truly Christian he/she will be pro-life. Bet he's not. I don't think I've heard of one progressive who is pro-life.
Psalm 139:13-16 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body.
Isaiah 44:2 This is what the Lord says — he who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you...
Haha, I have to say I'm a bit shocked to hear you say you are pro-life. And the way you are speaking to me right now doesn't sound very Christian to me, LOL!
It's about the sanctity of life, there "mouth". Something most progressives have no respect for.
Purely anecdotal but I found more preaching about social justice from a multi-denomination group of Christian women than my blue collar union brothers. All but one of them were Obama-philes and idealistic environmentalists. Since then, I have often wondered if being a true believer in religion is closely linked to being vulnerable to uncritical belief in other areas - AGW, child-centered parenting, anti-free markets/capitalism, etc.
mouth - your bias against wealth is pure ignorant bigotry. Repeating irrational phrases, taken out of context, to justify your own illogical beliefs doesn't make those beliefs valid.
After all, what is wrong with a man making money by, let's say, running a successful farm, or developing a business?
Is he supposed to reject such and be dependent on handouts from the state, and from others? Is he supposed to give all his money away so that he can't invest in new equipment, in new technology? Is he supposed to reject investing in partnerships in a big technological industry? Why?
Heaven is on earth, and the developments of the result of money, in the USA, are obvious. Medical care, cure of diseases, treatment of various genetic problems, new technology moving more people into comfortable and healthy lives. And yet you reject these very obvious results of wealth.
'Serving god and money' Yet another platitude. Of course you can, by trying to run a successful business, which takes money and results in money - and this results in employment, in good products and services. And that, is 'god' existing on earth.
Don't fiddle around with meaningless platitudes.
The right wing, which supports freedom rather than dependency on the state (encouraged by those theocratic states that adhere to Islam); that encourages individuals to go out and work rather than be dependent on handouts; that encourages individuals to be self-supporting rather than dependent, that encourages charity to private foundations - that's the right wing.
The left despises freedom and seeks to make all people hapless and helpless, dependent on a statist theocracy and bureaucracy. The elitist left set up a bureaucracy that runs everyone and everything. They tried it and failed in China and the Soviet Union. I wonder why. Did they ignore that the basic nature of man is to think and innovate and yes, obtain and treasure possessions? What's wrong with that?
Sorry mouth, I'm an atheist and even I know that your definition of: right-wing = not Christian is simply your definition.
Just because you say something "if you are right-wing then you are against the principles of Jesus Christ I quoted above - therefore not Christian" doesn't make it so. This is one of the glaring fallacies in the logic of the "progressive" thinkers philosophy. That fallacy being: if a progressive said it then it must be true, regardless if it contradicts fact or what was said yesterday.
Now I will go wash myself as I feel dirty. I hate to think what’s been in this tr-hoe-lls mouth.
Sorry, I don't consider the teaching of Christ to be "irrational" or "meaningless" so there is little common ground for us to meet on.
"soccermom"
Saying 'most progressives' have no repsect for the sanctity of life is a bit much, don't you think? Remember that little saying about 'bearing false witness"?
"Indiana Homez"
It is no fallacy to say that if a person follows a philosophy which is in direct opposition to the teachings of Christ, then they cannot be a Christian. That's simply logic.
To say otherwise is to assert that the term "Christian" is so elastic that it means anything you want it to mean - which would mean it means nothing.
No, Christ declared very specific, exact principles.
mouth - you are hiding a socialist leftist and authoritarian agenda behind a religious dogma, and thus, just as the Islamists do, saying that these various statements, taken out of context, cannot be disputed or critically examined.
Just as the Islamists do, you are rejecting the use of reason, and the activities of man as a material being on earth - which is to 'make the earth fruitful' - and focusing only on death..and going to heaven. Your beliefs are exactly that of an Islamist.
You are the one who is, as a cultural relativist, changing the teachings of Christianity - with your rejection of critical thinking, your focus on death, your insistence that people be enslaved dependents on the state.
And then, when you are criticized, you run and hide and say - oh, you aren't qualified to debate with me; you aren't a christian'. Heh. You sound exactly like a leftist, an elitist, who considers himself, not as equal to others - including others who think differently - but as superior. So much for your notion of 'equality', eh?
You are a true Obamaite, a radical socialist, an elitist who considers that your opinions are 'sacred' and 'supreme' and that others must acknowledge and accept them. Or, they won't go to heaven. The arrogance of your view is incredible.
You've stated you find the teaching of Christ to be 'irrational' and meaningless'.
It is entirely your prerogative to find them so.
I don't; I consider them 'the truth and the way'.
Our paths diverge. And the path of anyone who lives by a philosophy which opposes the teachings of Christ must also diverge from the path set out by Christ as well.
The other labels you affix to me are irrelevant. By quoting the teachings of Christ I have not changed them in the least, as you asert. Facts are facts - and one who cheers on an ideology opposed to Christ's teachings can't be a Christian. Full stop.
Hey mouth you must also realize something as well there are real christians/churches and fake christians/churches.
If you will induldge me weather your a fake or real christian is really determined not by your actual faith in christ but what your pastor and your chruch teaches/preches to you.
See real christians you know the old fashioned ones who beleive that the bible "IS" the word of god and the fake christians who beleive that the bible "CONTAINS" the word of god allowing them to tip toe around all of the awkward thing's like abortion and homosexuality and beasitality and all of those thing's. the difference...
Basically all of the older forms of christianity again who beleive that the bible is the word of god we all know that while we "TOLORATE" homosexuals we see them as our very own brothers and sisters with an affliction we will never accept them that does not mean we hate them or want them persicuted or killed or anything like that we just don't beleive they have the privilage bestowed upon us as a unity between a man and a woman that is right from scripture .
So we get labled as predjudice hateful mean and bigoted and racist all of the other unpleansantries because we want to keep the word of god holey i guarentee you MOUTH if scripture said that sleeping with the same sex was acceptable and all of that i am sure there would be almost no argument as to weather or not they could be married or any of that, we would not have the friction that we have.
My pastor told me that all of the different denominations of scripture view scripture differently kind of like a microscope there are different powers and that allows you to view things differently.
I hope i have not offened anyone or done a disservice to christians i am still learning and this is what i have learned we are ALL brothers and sisters in christ we have different views on scritpure and i love god and i hope i have made it clear that even fake christians still have faith and trust in christ i think they have been misled by there churches and pastors they are not sticking to scripture at least that is my take on it . Mouth and all the rest of the fake christians i appologize if this offends you but i have read about five different bibles from five different areas of the world and they all say the same thing ...how our pastors and synods interpret them is where it get's all messed up i think.
Again i appologise for offending i am a new christian of just 2 years and am learning alot i have seen my life turn 180 degree's since becoming a christian from an aethiest and I LOVE IT.!!
God gave us the ability to reason he want's us to ask questions and do these types of things also like mouth say's christ is the truth and the way i beleive this as well only through me is the way to heaven christ say's.
Many and i mean many of capitalist's are christians they get labelld as nazi's and so on becasue they won't give half of there billions to the state witch i agree with youo n why should they ....how ever i do see alot and i mean alot of christians donating ALOT of money and time to try to help there brothers and sister ...and yes themselves as well ...god helps those who help themselves mouth...the govornment has Zero obligation or it should have zero obligation to feed and nurture us that is up to ourselves and vise versa The govornemnt is there or it is strictly there to protect it's people ,infrastructure,military,and thing's of that nature thing's that an individual really is not capable of doing we should have almost no taxes here in canada i could see maybe after a war or something to pay back treasuries and things of that nature but really it is up to you to defend your own property within your countries boarders. sorry way off topic now.
ET if you read my previous post that is what allows mouth to be a socialistic christian with the nanny state mentality (sorry mouth) It is how scripture is interpreted. As a lutheran christian (missouri synod) we demand a conservative govornment or a very small govornment and let us raise our children and follow the teachings of christ.
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What a pleasure listening and watching an individual with a remarkable degree of righteous anger and the language and courage to speak out. I frequently ponder the circumstances that brought together those superior men and women destined to become our Founding Fathers. Is Breitbart a leader in a new coalition for a Second Founding?
Plain spoken and truthful! Absolutely love Breitbart!
Love how he looks directly at the camera and calls out the MSM...
That's one cool dude. He reminds me of the guy with the ear fetish in "Reservoir Dogs".
Kate, when are you getting your video camera!!????
oh I can't wait for the US mid-terms . . . Barry & his dumbocrats are in for some butt-kicking of huge proportions.
It will be most enjoyable watching the likes of Maddow put so the slow spit and carefully roasted to a pathetic cinder.
An example to us all.
When you hear leftist utopia BS, stand up to it.
That would be possible once you check your defeatist attitude (we're going to hell in a handcart, what are we going to do?)
Political science is in full retreat and there's no use is showing any mercy.
oh I can't wait for the US mid-terms . . . Barry & his dumbocrats are in for some butt-kicking of huge proportions.
It will be most enjoyable watching the likes of Maddow put on the slow spit and carefully roasted to a pathetic cinder.
I don't know who's cooler: Andrew Breitbart or Kate!!
If you've seen the movie "Best in Show" you'd know that nothing is cooler than Dog Shows:)
Just think what might have happened had the media recognized the error of its ways during Rathergate and actually worked to eliminate biased reporting and editorializing of the news......
Oh well. Long live Brietbart!
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I like that Breitbart doesn't attempt to use passive aggressive words, a technique perfected by the left and those cowed by the left. Politeness has its virtues but it can easily be turned into a weakness in our politically correct obsessed world.
Geez, this overgrown baby is the best you guys can do?
(Guess it fits in with your love of overgrown baby-heads, i.e., Rove, Cheney, Limbaugh, Beck...all tubby infantile-headed sexless creatures...)
The guy's talking about Maddow 'underselling the last president" -- jeez, the guy was the most hated President in history, what's to undersell?
And all the usual whining and whinging about the 'liberal media'...Half the time you're bragging about how Fox dominates all the other channels, then you're whining 'bout the Big Mean Liberal Media. Come on, guys. Pick a story and stick with it.
If this is the best you, bring it on! We Christian Progressives will beat you everytime!
Notice how he answers a question with a logical, rational answer. So different from either the pre-rehearsed programmed obfuscations of Obama, or the umms and ahhs and non-answers of the unrehearsed Obama.
Breitbart is essentially declaring that the corruption in politics, which has taken over the Democratic Party, and expanded to include a corrupt MSM, as well as union corporations (and unions are massive corporations) and special interest groups - can't hide from reality.
That is, the virtual reality show of Obama, filled with hyberbole and utopian rhetoric, repeated endlessly by the entranced MSM, can't stand up to facts. To reality. To the real, rather than the imaginary, world.
And, the people who live in the real world, are..the average American. These are the people whom Obama sneers at, whom he and his elitists consider must be ruled and run by a Benevolent, All-Embracing Big Brother Government. These are the people whom Pelosi and Reid want to control, as they skim off this same taxpayers' largesse for their own well-being, and for use in bribes for votes. These people live in the real world and have the power of reality. Obama and the MSM live in a virtual world that is coming apart at its fictional seams.
We may wish to temper our enthusiasm for Breitbart, if only for his own sake.
He has become increasingly angry since he started his "big" things; I'm thinking of his amusing but kinda scary op en in the Washington Times (?) about going down three flights of stairs to confront some people he overheard slamming George Bush -- only to realize he had misheard them and they were actually a couple of kids on _his_ side.
It was funny esp if you're a 24/7 political animal like me who actually do something like that too.
But...
He seems to be getting more physically and psychologically rigid (yes, this is ME talking) and I worry for his health. I am not being sarcastic. We need him alive, not necessarily on the verge of a coronary all the time, or the Right wing Archie Bunker.
The "right wing Archie Bunker"?
As opposed to the orignal 'left wing Bunker', right?
He sure calls them out on their games.
LC Bennett, totally agree.
Kathy, perhaps he should start working out to lower his blood pressure, and burn up some of that adrenaline.
Fans of lame stream media, mouth for example, wouldn't grasp what he is saying.
His observations are spot-on. He is documenting a similar populist movement that started all great things in human history. We can now watch history unfold on Youtube!
Actually, mouth is right. Isn't that weird?
Heh - mouth is 'right'? Actually, he's not. If one considers the name 'Archie Bunker' as a metaphor of a bigoted, ignorant, crass and boorish individual, then, this well describes many on the left, including a large component of the MSM, Hollywood, the latte crowd and the Democrats, including Pelosi, Reid, Holder, Axelrod, Gibbs, Emanuel, Napolitano..all this crowd.
After all, bigotry, ignorance, boorishness is obvious in the left's attacks on anyone who dares to dissent and critique Obama - e.g., the Tea Parties, the Town Halls, FOX news. Equally, the attacks on Palin, the accusations of 'racism' if you critique Obama, or demonstrate in the Tea Parties.
The denigration of Congress by insisting that it pass bills without reading them. The sneers at the American people by telling them that they are basically ignorant, and the reason they are against health care is simply that it has to be 'explained in more simple terms'. The constant blaming of others rather than accepting responsiblity.
All of that is leftist style Archie Bunker.
And, the ignorance and fictional worlds, akin to the 1970's hippiedom, in which the so-called 'Progressive Christians' live - with their utterly naive campfire world of cultural relativism - that's the basement of the leftist version of Archie Bunker.
ET - I've seen the odd episode of All in the Family. My understanding is that Archie was originally intended to be the reactionary straight-man for the sympathetic Meathead, but wound up being the only really relatable character on the show. Wasn't there an "Archie Bunker for President!" meme at one point?
I like to think that M*A*S*H's Frank Burns had a similar thing going on.
I'm pretty sure that Archie Bunker was never anything other than "right wing", however much of a jerk he was generally. If the character hadn't rung true, the public would never have cared. Surely Kathy was implying that Breitbart should try to avoid a similar jerkishness?
(I'm worried about Breitbart too - seriously, he look like he's on the verge of a stroke. I'm not kidding.
I did like what he said.)
I think it should be "Christian" Progressives. The quotations are very important in this instance, LOL.
Kind of like Pro-Choice "Catholic"
black mamba - I didn't get, from watching Breitbart, that he was behaving in a bigoted, ignorant and crass manner - which is the definition of Archie Bunker. So, I'll have to pass on what Kathy meant by her use of the name.
Actually, it should be right-wing "Christian", soccermom.
You don't get to call yourself a Christian when you go against every principle Christ espoused, which is what the right-wing does.
"If one considers ... 'Archie Bunker' as a metaphor of a bigoted, ignorant, crass and boorish individual, then, this well describes many on the left,....."
One of the most false notes in "All in the Family" was the Bunker back-story, the nostalgia for Herbert Hoover, and the long association with Republicans. Archie was merely an exaggeration of the unionized Democratic steel-workers and auto-workers with whom I grew up. They were FDR and JFK worshippers who realized how they had been deceived, taken for granted, and patronized by their trusted leaders.
Like "giving unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's, and giving unto Ceasar's what is God's - so Ceasar can redistribute it to the needy" and "keep feeding fish to the poor daily instead of teaching them how to catch them"?
Is that what a "Progressive Christian" means, real/mouth?
And what about George Bernard Shaw calling for a universal board to evaluate everyone's contribution to society, and "humanely gassing" those who do nothing but take instead of give?
Actually "All In The Familly" was cloned from a Brit sit-com.
In both the original and the clone....something occurred which shook the creators.....viewers were cheering for Archie.....the networks had a winner and the creators had a Frankenstein on their hands.....that they couldn't euthanize because of contractual/financial reasons.
This something the lefties have ignored at their peril.....The Archies have well developed principles...while the Meatheads are the real biggots.
The term 'progressive Christians' seems to me to be a cover for a socialist leftist.
You know, the elitists who need an impoverished lower class to whom they can feel superior and bustle around handing out old clothes and food banks, and telling these poor that 'we are all equal'. Heh. Not to the progressive Christian; after all, he knows he's superior to any and all who don't agree with him and his need-to-dominate.
That's what Breitbart and Beck are talking about. The socialists who are destroying the middle class, the people who are self-reliant, who work today and know there is a tomorrow wherein they can continue to try for self-reliance. The socialist left are against self-reliance; they prefer dependency. That is, they prefer Others being dependent on Them. Makes them feel 'good'.
Turning this socialist virtual fiction into a religious dogma is a blatant attempt to remove its dogma from the hard view of critical reasoning. And boy, does it fall apart when you check it out that way.
Thanks Kate, that was really great.
Curious, mouth, are you pro-choice?
It is NOT choice its MURDER.
"Do unto other as you would have them do unto you"
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to heaven"
"You cannot serve both God and money"
The right-wing is in direct opposition to all of these teachings of Christ.
Ayn Rand, the favourite philospher of the creator of this, website is specifically against the teachings of Christ.
Oh I agree, FREE, just trying to catch "mouth" on a slip-up. If he's truly Christian he/she will be pro-life. Bet he's not. I don't think I've heard of one progressive who is pro-life.
And progressives are into population control and eugenics, too. Doesn't sound very Christian to me, LOL
Al Gore, that noted progressive, loves money, "mouth", for your info, LOL
Just for you, "mouth":
Psalm 139:13-16 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body.
Isaiah 44:2 This is what the Lord says — he who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you...
You still haven't answered my question.
What did Jesus Christ say about abortion, 'soccermom'?
Or about homosexuality, the other hobbyhorse you guys get on to convince the rubes that you're "Christians"?
And yes, of course I am pro-life.
Haha, I have to say I'm a bit shocked to hear you say you are pro-life. And the way you are speaking to me right now doesn't sound very Christian to me, LOL!
It's about the sanctity of life, there "mouth". Something most progressives have no respect for.
Soccermom, if you are right-wing then you are against the principles of Jesus Christ I quoted above - therefore not Christian.
I don't know why it doesn't 'sound Christian' to point that out - it's simply a matter of fact.
Purely anecdotal but I found more preaching about social justice from a multi-denomination group of Christian women than my blue collar union brothers. All but one of them were Obama-philes and idealistic environmentalists. Since then, I have often wondered if being a true believer in religion is closely linked to being vulnerable to uncritical belief in other areas - AGW, child-centered parenting, anti-free markets/capitalism, etc.
mouth - your bias against wealth is pure ignorant bigotry. Repeating irrational phrases, taken out of context, to justify your own illogical beliefs doesn't make those beliefs valid.
After all, what is wrong with a man making money by, let's say, running a successful farm, or developing a business?
Is he supposed to reject such and be dependent on handouts from the state, and from others? Is he supposed to give all his money away so that he can't invest in new equipment, in new technology? Is he supposed to reject investing in partnerships in a big technological industry? Why?
Heaven is on earth, and the developments of the result of money, in the USA, are obvious. Medical care, cure of diseases, treatment of various genetic problems, new technology moving more people into comfortable and healthy lives. And yet you reject these very obvious results of wealth.
'Serving god and money' Yet another platitude. Of course you can, by trying to run a successful business, which takes money and results in money - and this results in employment, in good products and services. And that, is 'god' existing on earth.
Don't fiddle around with meaningless platitudes.
The right wing, which supports freedom rather than dependency on the state (encouraged by those theocratic states that adhere to Islam); that encourages individuals to go out and work rather than be dependent on handouts; that encourages individuals to be self-supporting rather than dependent, that encourages charity to private foundations - that's the right wing.
The left despises freedom and seeks to make all people hapless and helpless, dependent on a statist theocracy and bureaucracy. The elitist left set up a bureaucracy that runs everyone and everything. They tried it and failed in China and the Soviet Union. I wonder why. Did they ignore that the basic nature of man is to think and innovate and yes, obtain and treasure possessions? What's wrong with that?
Sorry mouth, I'm an atheist and even I know that your definition of: right-wing = not Christian is simply your definition.
Just because you say something "if you are right-wing then you are against the principles of Jesus Christ I quoted above - therefore not Christian" doesn't make it so. This is one of the glaring fallacies in the logic of the "progressive" thinkers philosophy. That fallacy being: if a progressive said it then it must be true, regardless if it contradicts fact or what was said yesterday.
Now I will go wash myself as I feel dirty. I hate to think what’s been in this tr-hoe-lls mouth.
"ET" -
Sorry, I don't consider the teaching of Christ to be "irrational" or "meaningless" so there is little common ground for us to meet on.
"soccermom"
Saying 'most progressives' have no repsect for the sanctity of life is a bit much, don't you think? Remember that little saying about 'bearing false witness"?
"Indiana Homez"
It is no fallacy to say that if a person follows a philosophy which is in direct opposition to the teachings of Christ, then they cannot be a Christian. That's simply logic.
To say otherwise is to assert that the term "Christian" is so elastic that it means anything you want it to mean - which would mean it means nothing.
No, Christ declared very specific, exact principles.
BTW - when I said "mouth is right", I just meant re. the "Archie Bunker" comment @4:02 - nothing else, obviously. And is mouth actually bleet?
Roseberry @5:34 - yes, that sounds about right.
Indy - you're an agnostic, I thought.
mouth - you are hiding a socialist leftist and authoritarian agenda behind a religious dogma, and thus, just as the Islamists do, saying that these various statements, taken out of context, cannot be disputed or critically examined.
Just as the Islamists do, you are rejecting the use of reason, and the activities of man as a material being on earth - which is to 'make the earth fruitful' - and focusing only on death..and going to heaven. Your beliefs are exactly that of an Islamist.
You are the one who is, as a cultural relativist, changing the teachings of Christianity - with your rejection of critical thinking, your focus on death, your insistence that people be enslaved dependents on the state.
And then, when you are criticized, you run and hide and say - oh, you aren't qualified to debate with me; you aren't a christian'. Heh. You sound exactly like a leftist, an elitist, who considers himself, not as equal to others - including others who think differently - but as superior. So much for your notion of 'equality', eh?
You are a true Obamaite, a radical socialist, an elitist who considers that your opinions are 'sacred' and 'supreme' and that others must acknowledge and accept them. Or, they won't go to heaven. The arrogance of your view is incredible.
Again, "ET":
You've stated you find the teaching of Christ to be 'irrational' and meaningless'.
It is entirely your prerogative to find them so.
I don't; I consider them 'the truth and the way'.
Our paths diverge. And the path of anyone who lives by a philosophy which opposes the teachings of Christ must also diverge from the path set out by Christ as well.
The other labels you affix to me are irrelevant. By quoting the teachings of Christ I have not changed them in the least, as you asert. Facts are facts - and one who cheers on an ideology opposed to Christ's teachings can't be a Christian. Full stop.
Hey mouth you must also realize something as well there are real christians/churches and fake christians/churches.
If you will induldge me weather your a fake or real christian is really determined not by your actual faith in christ but what your pastor and your chruch teaches/preches to you.
See real christians you know the old fashioned ones who beleive that the bible "IS" the word of god and the fake christians who beleive that the bible "CONTAINS" the word of god allowing them to tip toe around all of the awkward thing's like abortion and homosexuality and beasitality and all of those thing's. the difference...
Basically all of the older forms of christianity again who beleive that the bible is the word of god we all know that while we "TOLORATE" homosexuals we see them as our very own brothers and sisters with an affliction we will never accept them that does not mean we hate them or want them persicuted or killed or anything like that we just don't beleive they have the privilage bestowed upon us as a unity between a man and a woman that is right from scripture .
So we get labled as predjudice hateful mean and bigoted and racist all of the other unpleansantries because we want to keep the word of god holey i guarentee you MOUTH if scripture said that sleeping with the same sex was acceptable and all of that i am sure there would be almost no argument as to weather or not they could be married or any of that, we would not have the friction that we have.
My pastor told me that all of the different denominations of scripture view scripture differently kind of like a microscope there are different powers and that allows you to view things differently.
I hope i have not offened anyone or done a disservice to christians i am still learning and this is what i have learned we are ALL brothers and sisters in christ we have different views on scritpure and i love god and i hope i have made it clear that even fake christians still have faith and trust in christ i think they have been misled by there churches and pastors they are not sticking to scripture at least that is my take on it . Mouth and all the rest of the fake christians i appologize if this offends you but i have read about five different bibles from five different areas of the world and they all say the same thing ...how our pastors and synods interpret them is where it get's all messed up i think.
Again i appologise for offending i am a new christian of just 2 years and am learning alot i have seen my life turn 180 degree's since becoming a christian from an aethiest and I LOVE IT.!!
Paul in calgary
ET.
God gave us the ability to reason he want's us to ask questions and do these types of things also like mouth say's christ is the truth and the way i beleive this as well only through me is the way to heaven christ say's.
Many and i mean many of capitalist's are christians they get labelld as nazi's and so on becasue they won't give half of there billions to the state witch i agree with youo n why should they ....how ever i do see alot and i mean alot of christians donating ALOT of money and time to try to help there brothers and sister ...and yes themselves as well ...god helps those who help themselves mouth...the govornment has Zero obligation or it should have zero obligation to feed and nurture us that is up to ourselves and vise versa The govornemnt is there or it is strictly there to protect it's people ,infrastructure,military,and thing's of that nature thing's that an individual really is not capable of doing we should have almost no taxes here in canada i could see maybe after a war or something to pay back treasuries and things of that nature but really it is up to you to defend your own property within your countries boarders. sorry way off topic now.
ET if you read my previous post that is what allows mouth to be a socialistic christian with the nanny state mentality (sorry mouth) It is how scripture is interpreted. As a lutheran christian (missouri synod) we demand a conservative govornment or a very small govornment and let us raise our children and follow the teachings of christ.
Paul in calgary.
Sounds to me that if "mouth" is pro-life he may be more conservative than he is willing to admit, hahaha....