"Your presence here is upsetting to some people..."

Holding an unauthorized opinion is dangerous...

You need an authority figure to vet your opinions for political correctness...like the CHRC or a police officer.

Better yet, why not a friendly visit from the NKVD, Gestapo, or something not so terrifying the East German Stasi...who will just keep a file to make your life increasingly miserable.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

Wait a minute, I didn't hear tell of any officer unloading their taser on this guy. Seems like a step forward for the cops.

Welcome to the "new" Canada.

"Holding an unauthorized opinion is dangerous"

Even more so when you realize the rules are constantly changing. The opinion you were lauded for holding yesterday is verboten today and will be a 'hanging offense' tomorrow.

Why dont you get a group together, and park yourself in the same spot earlier on Friday, and be the first there and see what happens with the rest of the evening.. Just a thought.

If one runs around taunting obviously delusional people in the commons, then in the name of peace and order the law enforcement folks will escort one away. In the commons, free to say does not necessarily translate into free to argue, especially if the later case is seen by society as being gratuitous. Look, if every time a few dozen nit-wits took a long walk off a short pier, another half-dozen zealots went ballistic on us, y'all would be complaining about the decline of law and order. Why not just ignore all few-dozen and a half of them? It's not like they actually matter, in the grand scheme of things. They are like the plague. Thus while we may debate endlessly the abstract considerations at hand, one's personal objective should not be to defeat them, it should be to avoid them. Walk around them, not through them. Spend your time, instead, on something that has some likelihood of success. Or at least just laugh at them, for as Oscar Wilde noted, "if you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they will kill you". Unless, I s'pose, one gets one's jollies being perennially pissed off, in which case either pardon me, please, for interrupting, should you find this an interruption; or if I've made you even more pissed off, you're welcome ;-)

I guess, for good reason, $hit-disturbing is illegal, as it should be. Starting a riot is generally frowned on, although, I would wonder if you were the group on that spot before the others, whether the cops would escort the Anti's to the other side of the street or whether they would push you out, with the help of the police. If they did, that would be wrong, no doubt about it.

This news is both disgusting and disturbing, but having spent 8 months in Ontario, I can't say I find this surprising either...

Well ya gotta realize "the peaceful protestors" were protesting the Pali's UN-given right to bombard civilians with rockets, mortars and suicide bombs.
The Police position/action/policy is bizarre----the offender is the one who strikes the first blow----sticks and stones doncha know----
BTW---some-one should canvass the cops as to who decides who has the right to be offended.

If Josephine, correct name?, is a "Zionist" doesn't that make her a member of an identifiable group that has protection under the speech laws?

If free speech is protected, doesn't an actual breach of the peace have to take place before Breach of Peace can be invoked as a charge?

The police discretion on this particular charge harks back to the bad old days when police could arbitrarily charge citizens with "loitering" and detain them or cart them away.

This doesn't bode well for Canadians who want to follow in the footsteps of the Protest Warriors or Tea Partiers in the U.S.A.

Did the anti-Zionist protesters have a license to assemble for a protest or parade?

In the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, what exactly do sections-

7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.

9. Everyone has the right not to be ARBITRARILY detained or imprisoned.

-really mean if not to protect citizens from arbitrarily being subjected to charges/detainment/loss of liberty by cops who think the word "catalyst" is a big word and no actual breach has occurred to the peace?

Isn't the purpose of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms to protect citizens from the overweening power of the government and it's agents?

So, Vitruvius...

"the plague" "doesn't matter"? We shouldn't try to defeat our enemy, we should just ignore him??

Those people aren't "obviously delusional" to the thousands of Torontonians, who share their views.

And maybe you missed the part where the cops -- you know, those well funded guys with guns and authority -- sided with the "obviously delusional" folks trying to finesse Canadian law to get someone arrested for STANDING ON A PUBLIC SIDEWALK and "DISTURBING THEM" by her very presence.

Thanks for coming out, Vit. Pour yourself a nice tall glass of shut the hell up. While you're safe and cozy at home with your thesaurus and your collection of 78s, some of us are actually risking our asses to DO something.

You can thank us later.

Jezuz.

But of course, dahling, you're welcome.

Weren't you a founder of the Libertarian Party of Alberta Vitruvius?

Why is it exactly that Josephine shouldn't have been allowed to exercise her liberty in a public place in this instance?

Shouldn't Josephine's exercise of her liberty have been at her own discretion and not subject to arbitrary police coercion here?

Time to fire up the ovens “The Joooos are back”!

Hama’s and Code Pink can dance hand in hand in the streets listening to the music of their screams.

Welcome to Canada folks, where anyone from the Tamil Tigers to Hezbollah can blockade roads, burn synagogues, fund and plan terrorist attacks on the US and the Canadian parliament under the full protection of the law.

Stand near them peacefully protesting and you will be arrested or worse. NICE!

Thank you Liberal left for all the multi cultural enrichment, Canada is a far better country for my children than the one I grew up in……….//

Hope yours thank you properly too…………………

o{}o

Kathy- Don't be too harsh. I read his comment, and don't have a clue what he was trying to say. He may very well be supporting you.

There have been similar incidents in Calgary. A bunch of sock puppets parked themselves in a SW business plaza, that happened to belong to some Jewish businessmen. It took over a week for the police to get around to removing them for trespassing.

The police seem to take the position that it's easier to remove the lesser evil. Sort of like manning check stops in stead of arresting gang members.

Where do you draw the line between liberty and assault, Oz? Remember, assault isn't the same as battery. So, do you have a grand new plan that will solve all our problems, or should we instead attempt to proceed on the basis of the lessons of history, which generally tend to tell us that one is better off avoiding gratuitous fights? If one wants to fight the Nazis, one doesn't do it, personally (as one may have noted I provisoed my original point with), by attacking a pack of Nazis. Thus it is that I argue that one is better placed spending one's resources on something that has some likelihood of success, rather than on just being perenially pissed off.

You're right, DP.

Vit is one of those pretentious would-be writers who tries to sound like he's typing with a quill pen.

With "friends" like him, though.

Oh well, while he's enjoying his cocoa in the debate club, some of us have actual hard, dangerous work to do.

Kathy, I'll tell you what I just told Josephine. The cops can break your face with a night stick if they want. Really. And faces take a long f-ing time to heal.

So it is dangerous and stupid to go messing with the cops. Personally when I see a demonstration I reverse course and get the hell out, too much experience with watching people slooooowwwwwly heal after being smashed to crap. Pain hurts. Avoid it.

If you want to demonstrate and shout down the a-holes, show up with DOUBLE the number of guys your opposition has. Then the cops will hassle -them-. Biggest group wins, because its easier to tell ten people to move along than twenty. Cops are lazy.

But frankly I think your time is much better spent doing speaking engagements and writing than getting in punch-ups on street corners with these Leftist imbeciles. Probably the pay is better too, eh?

especially if the later case is seen by society as being gratuitous.

Oh, for Chrissake Vitruvius, there's no such thing as "society" let alone a "seeing society" "deciding" what it "gratuitous". And you a libertarian!!??

This seems to be a piece with your own new agey, and quite frankly, tiring and patronizing tirades about anger and blogospheric dysfuntionality. Listen dude: we have shari'a law in Canada now. Not officially, of course, but operationally, just as does the UK and America. It's been installed gradually and incrementally with the assistance of the prevailing attitude which you express here: let's not bother; let's be BIG about this stuff; let's not be petty -- let's give 'em their footbaths! Let's let them rule the streets. (See Paris, where one city street near a mosque is taken over by muslims for about 3 hours every Friday).

OT/related to your earlier lectures: Do you think Ezra Levant and Kathy Shaidle SHOULDN'T be angry? Do you think Levant would have engineered the very first innocent verdict at HRC were he not constructively angry?

You crack me up, Kathy. What do I do? Hmm?
And based on that knowledge of yours, exactly
how dangerous is it that which I do? Hmm?

Where do you draw the line between liberty and assault, Oz?
~Vitruvius

I've been charged with assault so I know where the line is.
The charges were thrown out because I didn't cross the line.

The historic origin of the the assault charge in English common law involved a gentleman obliquely threatening another gentleman at a public gathering where the first gentleman said to the second, "If not for this public gathering..." and jiggled the hilt of his still sheathed sword while looking intensely at the second gentleman.

Today we have a new charge called "uttering a threat" but it has it's basis in the original charge of assault.

Bottom line, there has to be some sort of tangible threat, not just a feeling.

Next, the Ontario government announces the purchase of downtown Toronto. Hamas becomes the de facto government. Fantino will prevent anyone not carrying a Hamas passport from entering.

Hope you don't own any property nearby, Josephine!

You've been charged with assault? I'm not surprised.

Did you hear that? That's the sound of my notion of Canada crashing to the sidewalk at my feet.
Do you know why,Josephine? Because YOU stood there and took the beyootches crap.And you know her? My guess your mother or mother's friend.Go join Vit with the pen and 78's.If that had happened to me,I may be in jail for assault,but you can bet your Tarranno ass some "cop"(isn't that what the Nazis called them) and this piece of work would be in the hospital till fall.
As Kathy said,you are no better then the one's you are supposedly fighting.
And Vit...it is my liberty to shove your pretentious arm up your butt,with quill still attached.The assault part comes when I haul it out your nose.HEY.That's what you are advocating with your crap above,so fair is fair,right??

You clowns are just plain stupid,and dangerous,as you don't realize what you are fighting.Go write for the Lieberals and Dems.At least then Hezzbolla may only make you kiss ass,before they kill you.

Fascinating.

You've been charged with assault? I'm not surprised.
~Vitruvius

Standing up for your rights has it's costs.
Did I mention the charges were thrown out?

I think if Josephine had continued to exercise her liberty she would have been charged with Breach of the Peace and later had her charges thrown out too.

What has happened to you Vitruvius that you have lost your first love, the love of liberty?
You're old enough and wise enough to know that death comes by inches.

When a man gets to used to bowing, he forgets how to stand.

So Vit, a Jew, or a Jew supporter, cannot stand in a public place and respond to people who speak to said Jew, or Jew supporter. Is that the stand you take? That is what it seems to me.

Go ahead and get all polysyllabic on me, antisemitism is antisemitism with or without a vocabulary. And you, sir, are starting to walk down a very slippery slope.

We all live on a very slippery slope, Enkidu.

I do agree with Phantom in that, when they begin reading the Riot Act, I'm outta here! As for Vitruvius' point, yes I like being perennially pissed-off, does he have a problem with that?

Hell no, Larben, I just want everyone to enjoy
themselves. Whatever turns your crank, baby,
as long as you don't bother me.

And one point to remember....Vit took the name of a Roman that stood by while his empire fell.Freudian slip there,Vit?
Like Kathy said,you may thank us later for saving your sorry butt.But in all odds,it ain't worth saving.

If these were Neo-Nazis, Aryan type skinheads standing there holding an anti-Israel vigil or whatever. Just standing there peacefully. No swastikas, no seig heils, just standing around boycotting Israel instead of a bunch of ugly women & students.

What kind of response do you think that would garner from the police & passer-bys?

Would Josephine have the right to react then Vitruvius?

Or should she just ignore them?

Who's side would the police take?

I see very little difference in the two groups but one is an identifiable enemy, the other hides behind anti-zionism and leftism and they get a pass. Even though their aims are the same.

Destroy Israel and destroy the jews.

If you don't confront evil it will confront you and everything you hold dear. It has been happening here in Canada, slowly & methodically but it is happening. Drip, drip, drip.

Of course: but how? That is the question.

Let us stand fast together, oh Gilgamesh, and defeat Humbaba to safeguard our first love.

"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
~Benjamin Franklin
(not a Quaker)

Speaking of being P'd off, and racism etc. - in a local paper, David Suzuki and someone called Dr. Moola, did a critique (if you can call it that) of the movie Avatar. As one would expect he criticizes "Right Wing commentators" who have condemned the movie as being anti-business, anti-Christian, and of being pantheistic and pointing out the exploitation of Native Indians by European types Etc.. Well the really, really, nasty guy is a middle-aged White male marine, and the next most evil is a Jew,(don't ask me how I knew, I just did)
Someday when Cameron grows up he may make a movie about men who look like they came from Japan and who indiscriminately kill people who look like peaceful Chinese in places that sound like Manchuria or Nanking.

'It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog'. I guess if we used vits logic all small dogs would refuse to fight unless they had some "likelihood of success", how do da no dat? I once heard 6 cops discussing what the word incongruent meant. They reached no conclusion.

Of course not. The small dogs would learn how to
gang up on the big dog, just like we humans have.

Vitruvius hasn't got time to defend the indefensible when he has to put on SDA Radio starring AnnaMaria Alberghetti. He's just trying to stir things up.

If this happens every Friday, get a group of people together to stand around and point and laugh at them. Aging feminists hate being laughed at, they think they are saving the world and they have no sense of humour.

“Standing up for your rights has it’s costs.” – OZ

Verses

“Walk around them, not through them” – Vitruvius

One statement represents freedom and liberty, the other represents the politically correct cowardice that brought our nations to this mess.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." – Thomas Jefferson.

One statement reflects the rationalization of much, much better men………….

Vitruvius said: "If one wants to fight the Nazis, one doesn't do it, personally... by attacking a pack of Nazis."

Yes, I agree.

The proper course of action is to BEND the government to your will. Y'all will have noticed there's this Conservative Party in Ottawa right now, who have made it a party policy that the Gun Registry will be repealed. Next session the repeal is due to come into law.

You think that happened by itself? Nuh uh, it happened because hundreds of thousands of cranky people like The Phantom quietly bent people's ears, wrote articles, wrote letters, and basically kicked the asses of the political class in this country for 20+ years. (Never forget Kim Campbell!)

Were there mass demonstrations? No.

Were anti-gun Leftist zealots beaten up on street corners by pro-gun demonstrators? No.

Did we sway the MSM to our side of the argument? Hell no!

Instead, we gun owners campaigned. The Alliance didn't come into being by itself, the PC Party wasn't reduced to two seats and destroyed by a miracle, Harper didn't get to be PM by magic. It happened by WORK, dammit. By a zillion hours of thankless, boring, friggin' work.

So Vitruvius is 100% right, and Kathy Shaidle is 100% wrong. Polemic belongs in print, not being yelled across a police line just before the bricks start flying. That isn't how we do it here.

Code Pink has a right to be the biggest, stupidest spectacle they can possibly manage. We all have the right to mock, boycott, smear, and generally point and laugh while we defeat their sorry asses in the court of public opinion.

We do NOT have the right to physically intimidate them or do psych warfare with cameras and etc. Not legally, and certainly not morally.

Don't be a problem. Let THEM be a problem. Let THEM get arrested, busted up, bankrupted, and ultimately defeated.

Remember folks: pain hurts and teeth don't grow back.

Aye, Hunter.

We don't all live on THAT slippery slope, Vit. I put it to you that suggesting that they STFU and get the F out of sight was probably fairly common advice to Jews in pre-war Germany, all in the name of keeping the peace, no doubt. You appear to be comfortable on that slope. Enjoy the ride.

I posted a big long thing that got caught in the filter, but basically what Hunter said.

Singing rude songs works too.

Following people with cameras and being a menacing problem, not so much.

Bubble zone.
If you tolerate something, you will get more of it.

Right on Celina!

Vit is right you know, the little old black lady who refused to move to the back of the bus, SHOULD have chosen a proper time to stand up for her rights, an empty bus would have guaranteed her total success while never confronting anyone or the actual object issue

which brings to mind, if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to.......

Vit, do you like the taste of shoe leather?

30 meters seems like a reasonable restriction, depending on the crowd--course talking about the isra-pali types aint no normal crowd. Set your milkcrate anywhere on the square and wail away i say.

Thanks for the link, Kate.

"Singing rude songs works too.
Following people with cameras....not so much"
Why not? Nowadays everybody follows everybody else with cell-phone cameras. If you put it on You Tube don't you think it will not work?
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btw on google christianity is (still) a lie and (after) islam (there) is (nothing).
I guess the google algorithm is still the same - [better to leave "islam is" with nothing after than get bombed.]