Y2Kyoto: The Time Has Come, The Blogger Said

Hey! I thought Elizabeth May didn't wear fur!

Ah,I get it! The "truth" is whatever the Leader says it is! Yesterday the ozone hole was cause for panic and riots in the streets, today it's our saviour!

Let me know what I should think tomorrow.

Thanks.

If it wasn't for the reflection in the water, I would have sworn this was photoshopped. How did Paul get up there?

Wile E. Coyote hasn't certainly let himself go. Although I hope he's getting ready to drop and Acme® anvil on an AGW activist.

Reflections can be photoshopped to, even in rippling water. Just sayin'

Someone should photoshop a hookah pipe into this picture.

The ozone hole is a natural phenomenon caused by the lack of winter sunlight coupled with the annual antarctic solar vortex weather pattern. So what would cause it to "seal"?

I keep screaming at MSM, UN, greenies etc: make up your mind, will you?

It's amazing the Walrus has survived so long without food, it has to have taken some time for that icy toadstool to have formed. It fits right in with the whole scam.

looks like that walrus done puffinpooed on the icefloe to the right and now has firmly gone over to the left.

I keep screaming at MSM, UN, greenies etc: make up your mind, will you?

That's like telling a hobo who is waking up on a park bench to make up his bed.

Make up their mind? They don't even know where they are. The original photo caption at Greenpeace says it was taken in Alaska in 1999. So, obviously, it's just the ticket to illustrate a story about ozone over the opposite pole.

It seems the science is not settled and those who said so have proven to be correct.

That's the first time I've seen that picture, and it screams out 'impossible'. I'm sure there are some good photoshop detectives out there who can delve into it.

Definitely photoshopped.

A Lawrence Solomon column in the Finacial Post a couple of weeks ago highlighted the research of a U of Waterloo prof who suggests that CFCs and not CO2 are to blame for any climate woes. It seems that CFCs at the molecular level are magnitudes more harmful to the environment than CO2.

Ever since Brian Mulroney and Ronald Reagan signed off on the Montreal Protocol, two conservatives by the way, CFCs along with temperatures have been reduced.

Solomon points out that the prof used the same (discredited) data set coming out of the CRU so some recalibration may be required in the next couple of years. The prof doesn't think so.

"That's the first time I've seen that picture, and it screams out 'impossible'."
~grok

It's possible.
See that Greenpeace ship in the background?
The ship ran the walrus down and then the crew propped up his dead carcass on that ice mushroom for the photo op.

Ironically, it's the Ozone hysteria when I was in school that made me sceptical of the AGW theory.

"We're all going to die of cancer" was the motto.

Actually it was pretty persuasive stuff, but I've always been one to "Fight the Power" so I "Don't Believe the Hype" as a general rule. That said, I'm not old enough to remember the Ice Age scare of the 70's. Zing!

Phil,

> CFCs at the molecular level are magnitudes more harmful to the environment than CO2

CO2 is good for environment. Just think how much coal burning we have to do just to start trying to begin attempting to return to the Proterozoic levels when life was abundant where ice shields are now.

It is quite possible.Tides and inertia.

Easy, shmeasy.

The tide went out.

Mesozoic, pardon me.

But making up their mind is the least thing they can do.

Like the greenies at Peel district water department, who charge me a surcharge to 'combat global warming' while their colleagues at garbage department post notices 'dont put garbage behind snow banks'. So do we have to combat global warming, or cold winters?

Aaron,

Understood. I didn't mean to imply that CO2 was evil but rather that CFCs were the real culprits. I fully agree that CO2 is a good thing.

I like to go on 4 hour long bike rides and I couldn't just live with myself if I really thought CO2 was a pollutant as the EPA wants to label it. ;-)

LOL, Phil! I love the improvised fireplace in the backyard.

When I lived up north, we used to pray for a Walrus or a seal to heave up on a little berg like that.

Makes for a very easy shot, saves on bullets and if you are lucky, it won't fall in and sink before you can get to it.

The easier the dinner . . . the better.

rabbit @ 12:50, he simply waited for high tide.

Aaron: "...while their colleagues at garbage department post notices 'dont put garbage behind snow banks'."
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Perhaps their snow plows should be instructed to not create snow banks in front of garbage containers.

On the subject of whether this picture is photoshopped or not, is the shadow of the walrus pointing at 8:30 while the shadows of the 2 bergy-bits just above mid level on the right side point in a 5:00 direction? And is the angle of the sunlight reflecting off of the cliffside in the background consistent with that of the walrus?

On the subject of whether this picture is photoshopped or not, is the shadow of the walrus pointing at 8:30 while the shadows of the 2 bergy-bits just above mid level on the right side point in a 5:00 direction? And is the angle of the sunlight reflecting off of the cliffside in the background consistent with that of the walrus?

Even the Arctic has a summer and thats when the photo was taken. It wouldn't surpise me to find somebody in a boat chased it onto the ice.

These enviros no longer have any credibility.

Ahhh!... it's all coming clear to me now!
The diminishing Antarctic ice cap- It's the damn salt in the sea spray whipped up by those winds, forming the clouds...then coming down as salty rain....thus melting the ice sheets at an accelerated rate. How did we not see this before?

PhilM:

did you and I ever run into each other in JFK buffdom circles? :-)

Ice floats up and down with the tide, so unless that little toadstool berg the walrus is perched upon precariously close to the thin edge is actually now resting on the sea floor, the 'tide' answer is also impossible.

Boy, oh boy, talk about your lack reading skills. You guys should work for the lieberal party. If you read the photographer's description of his shot you will realize that when the photographer went out to get the picture there were two other walruses there. They took off and the ice flow then raised up to where it was photographed. Half a minute later it broke and the subject got unceremoniously dumped. Now the context in which the media/greenpeace/etc use this photo is an entirely different matter. Remember the "poor" polar bears trapped on the ice? Same thing, implied peril.

Phil and TP inspired me to review the picture...which instantly tripped my BS meter.
Beside the practical impossibility for a walrus without wings to get there--the bergy bit would have fractured or upset with that critter aboard which is likely as heavy as a Smart Car or more.

My observation is that reflections depend upon your position----sunshadows indicate the position of the sun.

The real goof of the photo-shopper is simple.
The reflections are well photo-shopped but....
The bergy-bit casts a shadow while the walrus doesn't......stealth walrus?

The real question is was it photo-shopped or simply a cut and paste? And why? Habit?

If the ice "raised" after two of three jumped off, how high was the ice before the first one got on?

What negates the moment applied by gravity acting on the walrus?

If you read the article on this photographer, the photographer claims that this shot is real. Apparently there was other walruses on the same piece of ice but they jumped off and all that weight leaving the ice made it pop up. The walrus did break through the thin edge it was lifted up on soon after this shot was taken.

Exactly what I was thinking, shaken. Why isn't that toadstool berg tilted somewhat due to the walrus's 2,000 to 4,000 lbs or so.

Yes, approx. 3,000 lbs of walrus right on the edge of that ice shelf.

Of course the photographer claims it's real. Are there other shots of the same subject from different angles and times? Where are the walrus-sized ripples from 30 seconds ago?

And Texas Canuck, how did that first walrus get onto the berg in the first place? Remember, it will be even higher out of the water than it is now.

Tuskless walruses: killed by AGore'sW are endangered no more.
...-

"Endangered Florida manatees die in record numbers from nearly two-week cold snap

More than 100 manatees have been found dead in Florida waters since the beginning of the year, mostly victims of a nearly two-week cold snap.

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission says the preliminary cause of death for 77 of the endangered animals is cold stress. They were found from Jan. 1 through Jan. 23.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2437788/posts

"how did that first walrus get onto the berg in the first place?" Geesh, you are going to have to ask the walrus about that. Could be that the three were on a larger floe and that part broke off? Could be, I don't know but from the photographer's rep, I'd say that he is too good and professional to try and pass off a photoshop job as real. Especially with Canon promoting him. Check out his work.

As an aside, while I've never seen a walrus jump I do know for a fact that elephant seals along the California coast can actually board moored boats and sink them. Boat owners can't do squat either due to tree huggers and cum-buy-ya weenies.

Kate

It's obvious that the three or four walrus' (walri?) were positioned on the decaying ice for some time prior to the photo.

More than likely due to starvation caused by lack of seals to eat which is of course caused by seal hunters and AWG.

as the photographer approached the two or three that leapt from the berg did so as a final instinctual act, preferring to drown in a weakened state rather than languish any longer under the scorching arctic sun.

The remaining pictured walrus drowned moments after this picture was taken as the iceberg hoodoo toppled into the deadly warming waters.

Syncro

Well I don't know what all the fuss is about. The picture isn't Photoshopped.

See when it was cold and such that little burg the walrus is sitting on was water level, but because of Global warming, the walrus doesn't need as much fat and insulation making him in fact lighter - hence the berg doesn't sink into the water as much when he's on it now.

I can see that there are sum in here who AIN'T riggers

there are several scenarios that could accommodate the fat boys gittin up there, but I'll leave yous to scratch your heads

it's more fun that way:-))))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu11ichGQEg&feature=related

You tell me if a walrus looks agile enough to get up onto that little shelf.

On the article that's linked:

they theorize that a big o-hole means cooler weather. If so then if AGW is a problem it would be far less expensive to begin producing CFCs to make the hole bigger and keep temps stable than to do it by regulating and reducing anthro-produced CO2.

On the photo:

The story that twos other walri were on the floe before doesn't make any sense - it doesn't explain the melt ring around the adjacent floe in the picture.

The photo looks to have been taken from the nearby shore. The ice was likely grounded at high tide and the warm water caused a higher melt rate than the surface exposed to the air.

The tide went out and thus exposed the previously submerged area.

As for the walrus being stranded atop it - it is possible but the photographers story makes me wonder.

3. Correct me if i am wrong, but isn't it a story about the antartic? There aren't any walri there.

GYM, are you talking about the turtle on the fence post kinda thing?

Speaking of photoshopping and reflections, isn't the reflection of the mast on the ship a might longish compared to the reflection of the walrus in the foreground?

"The frog atop the stack of coins dares not jump."-Steven Erikson- Gardens of the Moon

Totally reasonable solution.
The water under the iceberg is warming because there's too many SUV's and not enough Priuses or (Prii) therefore the water becomes denser and pushes the iceberg up.
The walrus surely slid in right after the pic was taken and probably boiled to death.