Y2Kyoto: Of Walruses With Wings

You really shouldn't have to explain it Kate....

I just assumed they moved some walrus down there to feed the polar bears they plan to move down there.

Can anyone tell me how long there has been a hole in the ozone? Is it a phenomenon that has always been there? When was it first detected? How do we know it is due to CFC's? And finally, how do we know that the Montreal protocol had anything to do with its "healing"?

Oh that's right, you can't answer any of these questions (at 6:47). The answers might deflect us from the "righteous cause"

There's a hole in the O-Zone , you betcha.

I has gotta get me some more edumacatian. I larned that Antarctica was a land mass and here they shows me a picture of a critter settin on iceberg.

Maybe the ozone hole thing was a test scam.

It went over so well "they" decided to try a much BIGGER scam.

the AGW nuts are not only liars, but lazy ones at that. Its all catching up to them now. lol

Guess I should do 2 seconds of research before posting. Spoke too soon about the Ozone scam.

http://american_almanac.tripod.com/cfc.htm

You better read this....

"Even before the Apollo lunar module set down on the surface of the Moon in 1969, however, an intense fight over the future of the space program and related advanced technologies was taking place on Earth. Virtually as soon as President Kennedy announced the Apollo effort in May 1961, antitechnology think tanks, like London's Tavistock Institute and the Washington, D.C.-based Brookings Institution, were worrying aloud that the space program would ruin their plans for a neo-Malthusian world. By the mid-1960s, Tavistock's Journal Human Relations reported that the space program was producing an extraordinary number of ``redundant'' and ``supernumerary'' scientists and engineers. ``There would soon be two scientists for every man, woman, and dog in the society,'' one commentator wrote. What worried them most was the climate of technological optimism that had been created. "

Alaska . . Antarctica . . . just a couple of letters different.

No big deal to a Warmonger. Truth is what you need it to be.

does the union know that that walrus is moon lighting????

I am the Eggman. Goo goo g'joob.

KK 7:29 PM
Good article, Thanks
From a Burt Rutan presentation;
"The Ozone Hole scare ruined the CFC industries, killed the America’s SST and
resulted in inferior refrigeration. But we now know that the molecular transition
requires a temperature 100 deg higher than found in the upper atmosphere. Alas,
the Ozone hole does fluctuate; It always has and it has nothing to do with Air
conditioning or hairspray cans. But, likely you were not told that Good News on the
World News Tonight. In fact, if it means admitting that they were wrong about scaring
you, we seem to never find out."
http://rps3.com/Files/AGW/Rutan.AGWdataAnalysis%20v11.pdf

THAT is a doctored photo.

(sorry for going O/T Kate)

Nice one, Kate.

Go with the floe.

it looks like one of those monty python collage-animations; i keep expecting the queen to pop out of the walrus and smack the ship with a can of baked beans

kk @ 7:24 has it right.

You mean to tell someone, with access to a fouking brain, thinks that a 1400kg male walrus is suning itself on unsupported ice in thickness of 0mm to maybe 200mm without the aid of Photoshop? Nah I didn't think so.

Not to put a too fine a point to it but if you read the latest article you will notice there is no caption nor credit for the photograph. Kind of like those tinted smokestacks in TO, a stock photo used to illustrate (or exaggerate) what the journalist, if you can call them that, are trying to get across. Heck, that picture might show up next in the Leader-Post on a story about the Wascana Parkway.

btw, was it only me or did SDA have server problems earlier?

At 7:00 PM CST, Eureka Staion, Nunavut is recording -35C. Do walruses thaw out at -35C??

Cripes. It took that walrus 11 years to get there. He deserves to sit on a mushroom and bask in the sunlight.

Yes, there have been server problems off and on for the past few days. It usually resolves itself in a few minutes.

Somewhere I read that the CFCs caused global warming and now that there are no CFCs that global warming will stop.

Go with the floe.

Posted by: Peter O'Donnell

Peter wins the thread, for most pithy comment!!

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

no way!
that walrus should be upside down when he goes south. they have to be different.

Late last year I saw somewhere that there's a new theory that ozone works on a cyclical basis, like so many other things. CFCs might have had nothing to do with it.

Anyone else see that research?

This needs to be emailed to the Scotsman. It needs to be in some comment there if possible.

Speaking of Walrus, Michael Ignatieff is on the cover this month. Tusk, tusk.

According to Ian Plimer in his book Heaven and Earth the ozone hole over Antarctica is a natural phenomenon and is re-occuring all the time, closing and opening. The unique circumstances of the Antarctic continent with its circling winds and extremely cold winter of steady -45 to -65 temps and the solar wind decays the ozone above it opening a hole. When natural occurances like an Andian volcano happen the upper atmospheric penetrates the Antarctic and the hole closes again.

C'mon folks, that's a Disney-trained walrus, previously employed by PETA, didn't you know?

Well, photoshopped or not, I'm amazed at the attention being given to how it could be possible that that fat porker could be perched on that mushroom-shaped pedestal.
One has to understand the nature of icebergs- how they change their shape and position as they melt, often rolling as their mass changes. Since 9/10ths of their mass is submerged, the visible part is deceptive. The many National Geographic or Discovery Channel presentations often depict a single iceberg with two above-water prominents, and the 'adventurers' going through the breach with their kayaks/zodiaks.
A quick glance at the berg would tell you that in all likelihood, the piece that he's sitting on is only a part of the berg that's in the foreground...the connecting segment submerged. Take note of the common melt-waterline. It would also explain how he and his buddies were able to board the floe where in all probability there were parts of the bigger berg that had accessable slopes.
If what he's sprawling on is a berg of its own, his weight would have a real influence on the slant of his perch, and would most likely result in a quick dunking. Either way, he's about to get wet...real soon.

yes Norman , but I cant remember where.it also mentioned that previous cycles would have gone unmeasured because they had no way of measuring the phenomenon up until the last few decades.

my own guess is that it too is sunspot related. like the aurora. ozone is an ionization result.

there are strange things in the midnight sun for as the ions that moil fortold.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11478

"The time has come", the walrus said, "to talk of many things

Of shoes and ships and sealing wax

Of cabbages and kings

AND WHY THE SEA IS BOILING HOT

and whether pigs have wings"

Lewis Carroll - Through the Looking Glass

Where ya been, Jack?

Okay, IF the walrus was dumb enough to sit on that incredibly thin wafer of ice, and IF that wafer miraculously held together, and IF that piece of ice did not tip over, then the explanation is this; The berg he's sitting on broke away from the main berg with the walrus on it.

The thing is, why would someone photoshop something that unreal looking? Just for a joke?

cconn @10:20; they did...comment #30 at the Scotsman article.
This Jenny Fyall is a prolific wee thing...http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Warming-will-39wipe-out-billions39.5867379.jp

That's a great picture. I may be the only one here who isn't completely convinced it's photoshopped. (Of course I understand that it doesn't have anything to do with global warming, Antarctica, or the ozone layer.) I tried searching for a similar photo, and although Ididn't find another one with such an ice formation or a walrus's reflection, I did find this walrus atop an ice pl atform:

Another Walrus On Ice

CJ

looks like a walrus on top of a frozen polar bear

More Chicken-Littlist fraud.

Ho-hum. Lots of fraud being exposed all day every day now. Before we know it, almost no one will believe the Big Lies anymore and will start getting mad and telling the Algoreans and Suzukians to STFU.

All hell is breaking loose in the AGW fantasy world......

Corcoran and Martin outline it all in todays Post.

Andrew Martin, one of the leading propaga.....er, scientists of the IPCC, is calling for an overhaul of his organization.......????????????????

Meanwhile, Suzuki turns up the hype and shrillness in his latest 'editorial' column in the local Black press.

That must be some wild chronic that the Fruitfly has in his stash....

All I can say, with all fairness and respect, is: Jesus Christ on a bicycle. I am so very grateful to this web site for putting a stake on the ground and in the heart of global warming. Even my most thoughtless, moonbat California cousins see the light when they get the facts. There really needs to be a tea party faction that marches on the major dailies with pitchforks, torches and dynamite so as to finish the job the media has themselves begun.

congrats, linked at instapundit.

congrats, linked at instapundit.

Walruses need first year ice, because multi-year ice is too thick to allow them to easily get out of the water.

I hope, for the sake of the walruses, that Arctic ice does not refreeze so much that they are threatened, or endangered. On the other hand, if Arctic sea ice coverage oscillates on a 60 year cycle, we could alternately worry about polar bears and walruses, every 30 years.

http://alaska.fws.gov/fisheries/mmm/walrus/nhistory.htm

"If what he's sprawling on is a berg of its own, his weight would have a real influence on the slant of his perch, and would most likely result in a quick dunking. Either way, he's about to get wet...real soon."

*Foghorn Leghorn voice*
Fortunately, he had his feathers numbered for just such an emergency.

Personally, I find the article regarding the ozone layer hole particularly amusing.

Back when SDA was breaking the Climategate story and CBC had finally picked it up after several weeks, I was posting my observations on CBC after Rex Murphy's broadcast spot on the issue. My comment included a thought/observation that had occurred to me during this whole debacle of global warming: How can we be living in a greenhouse and experiencing a greenhouse effect when we supposedly have a huge hole in the ceiling/roof of our greenhouse that is large enough to allow any gases or pollution to effectively escape beyond our atmosphere? It's akin to leaving a hole in the roof to accommodate an open fire-pit in the room - more like a tepee effect than a greenhouse effect.

I'm surprised that it has taken so called scientists this long to consider the obvious dichotomy in their theories (which are sold as facts). I am certainly not a scientist, nor do I claim to be particularly intelligent, yet a brief pondering on these 2 concurrent "imminent threats" naturally led to that question being asked - common sense. Apparently, the warming scientists are trying to come up with an "explanation" for this obvious contradiction.

Truly the global warming group brains have been "fertilized" (term borrowed from Revnant Dream) to such an extent that they no longer question anything or use simple common sense.

to those deniers who claim that a walrus coundn't be supported by such a thin piece of ice I would like to point out that sea ice only shows 1/8 of its mass above the surface.
So that 100mm thick piece of exposed ice is more like 800mm thick and since the walrus in sitting on the ice it most likely has sunk down some. So that "thin" pice of ice could easily be 1600mm thick or 5.3 feet ... yeah its photoshopped alright ...

Well, if you would JUST BE STOPPING TAKING HIS BUCKETT! then things would be OK.

Well, if you would JUST BE STOPPING TAKING HIS BUCKETT! then things would be OK.

FUNNIEST-COMMENT-EVER !