'One wonders why the current media "cover-up" continues...

Of course the liarberals knew. Of course the cbc, the redstar and their fellow travellers are not reporting it. So the, what is the recourse?

The recourse is for PMSH to step it up and expose the liars and actually take it to them. The PM, despite protests by the usual cabal of had wringers, has been far too soft on the liarberals. He could really kick it up a couple of notches and not even be anywhere close to showing 100% of what they really are.

What Chris said.......

What sasquatch said...

It's funny all the comments about Harper the dictator, muzzling cabmins, prorogation to avoid afghan.

The media is 'outed' to make him some omnipotent ruler. (Wasn't Chretien with a 10 yr majority?)

The CPC has a minority. Taken care of business. Still on top in polls.

Can't wait for Budget 2010. and the new-cue-lar media fallout........

So now PMSH is protecting the LPC and what is left of Jean Cruton's reputation?

What Texas said.

Does anyone in the PM's office visit SDA regularly?

Lets see .... undoubtedly Harper knew this before we did. But to go down that road in question period is tantamount to admitting that prisoners should not be being turned over to Afghan authorities. To say it was wrong then, is to say it is wrong now.

Parliament is prorogued, and not long after the revelation comes out that it was the Liberals who began this practice, even though they knew about the so called "torture" that was happening. Now the story is in the wind, the Liberals are exposed as hypocrites ... again .... and all without the government putting themselves in a position where their critique of the Liberals causes them to pain themselves into a corner.

Stephen, you magnificent bastard!!!

"paint" themselves into a corner that is. Where's that edit function

the answer is in the logo.

CBCpravda, All Liberal , All the time.

What gellen sid

Y don't the CP's just say it?;
105 prorogues - 4 by Cruton hiself

u'd think this was the very first prorogue in the history of mankind...but i still love it when PMSH makes the msm and Co. howl and writhe in agony and pull their hair out and throw dirt in the air...

Mark, send the link to the Conservative war room and tell them to get busy.

Stephen Harper assumed office February 6, 2006.
It is now January 2010.
That's nearly 3 1/2 years that Afghan detainees were transfered to the Afghan government under the Harper regime.

From 2002 to 2005, the Canadian practice regarding Afghan detainees suspected of Taliban ties was to hand them over to US military authorities.
So under the Paul Martin Liberals Afghan detainees were transfered to Afghan government custody for about 1 year.

Both regimes are at fault.
Solution:
Admit guilt for the Canadian government in general just like Harper did when he apologized to the Indians over the Residential Schools and start handing detainees over to the Americans again.
(Obama would just love to have more Afghan detainees heaped on his head like glowing coals)

Is Harper supposed to take a page out of Obama's playbook and just blame his predecessor?

End of story.
My guess is that parliament is prorogued while the Harper government negotiates a solution with the Obama government who really don't want to deal with more Afghan detainess captured by Canadian troops.
This is an international hot potatoe.

p.s.
I don't know why anyone thinks we are doing any good over in Afghanistan when the government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is only marginally better that the Taliban was and many dozens of terrorist training camps are operating in the frontier zone between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Can we even continue to pretend that democracy has taken root after the last Afghan elections?

It takes time to purge the rot the media has planted in the populace. I know many, many people who are probably as right of center in their basic beliefs as anyone here, yet they keep voting liberal. If one watches the slick lies production every night it wears on you - pushes your own thoughts to the background.

Most Journalists today are not in the business to report the news. They chose journalism to try and change the world to a nanny state.

The newest Journalist on the block may very well turn the old media on it's head.

Will Katie Couric ever agree to an interview with Sarah Palin?

'One wonders why the current media "cover-up" continues......concerning what the Liberal government knew and when they knew it.' A post at The Torch:"

Posted by Mark at January 12, 2010 10:12 AM

Exactly!

Tom Clark at CTV needs to be brought up to speed on the issue as is Kevin Newman at Global, because they have been at the forefront day after day spinning this as purely a Harper Government story.
They have been relentless in pushing the Afghan detainee issue, never once digging into the former Liberals early involvement.

Canadian MSM are the nightsoil carriers for the Liberal party in this country.

OZ writes:

p.s.
I don't know why anyone thinks we are doing any good over in Afghanistan when the government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is only marginally better that the Taliban was and many dozens of terrorist training camps are operating in the frontier zone between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Can we even continue to pretend that democracy has taken root after the last Afghan elections?

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There are a number of reasons.

Maybe to prevent people like Haqqani who produce rape videos from taking the country after our departure:

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/200342.php

The other factor is that precipitous withdrawal will further compromise Pakistani stability. And, well, they have nukes.

Michael, within 6 months of NATOs departure Afghanistan will be as if we were never there.
Much of Afghanistan is under the control of the Taliban now.

The American economy is on the verge of tanking and they can't afford war anymore.
Obama doesn't want more detainees in Gitmo, the American people don't want the Gitmo detainees on American soil, the Gitmo detainees prefer tropical Gitmo to snowy Illinois and are going to sue to stay, the Canadian government is taking flak over the treatment of Afghan detainees but can't just hand them over to the Afghan government or the Americans, and Pakistan is out of our control and always has been.

How long do you think it will take Obama to pull the plug if the Dems lose substantial control of the House of Representatives and the writing is on the wall for the newly minted lame duck President Obama who is Commander and Chief?

Obama is going to cut the Gordian Knot.

The Taliban aren't insurgents.
They have more popular support than the Afghan government does.

I say call an inquiry into the entire detainee issue. Start at the beginning. Subpoena former lib cabinet ministers and Jean and Martin and lib diplomats. That would be interesting.

"nightsoil carriers for the Liberal party"...

Joe:

Thanks for that delightful imagery! Couldn't have said it better myself.

Guess the MSM doesn't have indoor plumbing...but then some of the Taliban don't either.

Reporting the news, for the MSM, isn't half as much fun for them as spinning the news, with LIEberal doses of not so subtle invective.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

Downtown Anybigville Canada, this AM:

Q:
"What are your thoughts on this prorogation of Parliament issue?"

A:
"Pro..gay...shun?...,,,What?"

Q:
"What do you think of Simon leaving American Idol?"

A:
"Is it why Simon is leaving, Harper hates gays so much he professionaly shuns them...What a bastard!....Wait a minute, Simon is gay?"

See, Harper is right. Canucks don't care if it's not about hockey Night or some Idol or another...Next!

I sent this to the CPC Party and also to Bill Good (cknw) the Liberal apologist and dared him to bring this up on his program.

Once again this just proves how slimey the Liberal Party is!

Oz

I'm gonna build a garage

should I start with the roof and work my way down you think?????

GYM, you might as well.
It would make as much sense as your comment.

Oz: "The Taliban aren't insurgents." I have to agree. The Taliban are anything but. They are Terrorists and War Criminals to begin with. But the MSM seems blind to that.
Where do you get your comments on popular support?
I also have grave doubts that the Great 'O' will be the protector of freedom his supposed idol FDR was.
That is why I hope with all my heart that posters here also make their comments known to their elected representatives. We better start thinking of the consequences of leaving terrorists with the money, resources and freedom to carry out their first priority. An American think tank theorized that WMDs if the Saddam variety, saran and nerve agents, etc., can be used with much more deadly effect than nuclear. Consequences; consequences!

At what point will Canadians realize that the CBC (MSM) have been laying guilt trips, on you heathens, such that Canada must follow the UN for redemption...

They don't have any doubts (Lib or Con)... its more of the same programming of the EU Communist theme... Canadians BAD! BAD!

Its cheap, overly simple, propaganda by CBC

“Keep guard up on airport security: Baird CBC.ca

Ottawa urges heightened vigilance amid new air travel security concerns The Canadian Press”

Why?
Here* is the answer: Muslims*.

This jet crossed Canadian territory on its flight to Detroit, Michigan.
…-

“*Unruly Passengers Disrupt Northwest Flight 243

Sources tell Fox 2 that a flight from Amsterdam into Detroit Metropolitan Airport was held on the tarmac after landing because of unruly behavior by some of the passengers.

The source says four men, thought to be of middle eastern descent, acted out in such a way that it forced the plane’s pilots to stop it short of the terminal. The men were removed from the plane while it was parked at the tarmac, away from the aiport’s passnger terminal.

Once the men were removed, the rest of passengers were then taken to the terminal for deboarding.

Fox 2 has a crew at Metro Airport and more information will be posted as soon as it becomes available

(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxdetroit.com”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2426736/posts

"This should make the news every time someone brings up the Detainee BS. The liberals were informed that the Afghans had a thing for torture. They knew it,but in their zeal to poke George Bush in the eye ,they went ahead anyways.---http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2009/12/torture-in-afghanistan-liberals-knew.html

Posted by: wallyj at January 9, 2010 3:05 PM
Sometimes I think that my posts are invisible to all but close family members,maybe I should use all CAPS.

Oz says: "the government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is only marginally better that the Taliban was..."

Oz, dude, this is CBC bong water. The Taliban are crazed fundies known for shooting shop keepers because they put the cucumbers next to the tomatoes. Total anarchy would be more than marginally better than the Taliban.

And just to cut the entire argument off at the knees, since when do we worry about what happens to terrorists captured in mid-terr after they've been returned their own government for punishment? Since the CPC are in power instead of the Liberals, that's since when.

There is no excuse for what the Liberals are doing here. None. Its disgusting, and the sooner they are ejected from the House in an election the sooner I'll be happy.

Further to what others have said on Oz's comments, it's useful to remember that Afghanistan is hardly homogenous when it comes to support or opposition to the Taliban. Remember, when they were in power pre-2001, they didn't control 100% of the country either. They have decent support in the southwest of the country now, but almost none in the rest of it.

In other words, we're not fighting an Afghan insurgency, we're fighting a Pashtun insurgency (which encompasses parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan both). Our military and civilian leaders alike have understood that for a long time, and it's a shame our media and general population haven't; all we see is the instability in the single province of Kandahar and assume that's representative of all of Afghanistan when it's not.

OK,sulking is done. Possibly it would be advantageous for the Conservatives to keep this info under wraps a bit longer.The media will not report it ,but it would make an effectiv campaign ad.

Cal2 @11:19AM

the answer is in the logo.

CBCpravda, All Liberal , All the time.

Love the rebranding self-promotion comercials run on the CBC during breaks.

“CBC: More transparent than ever before”

Wait a sec… don’t you have to be transparent before becoming more transparent?

Posted by Joe Molnar @ 11:40AM…

Tom Clark at CTV needs to be brought up to speed on the issue as is Kevin Newman at Global, because they have been at the forefront day after day spinning this as purely a Harper Government story.
They have been relentless in pushing the Afghan detainee issue, never once digging into the former Liberals early involvement.
Canadian MSM are the nightsoil carriers for the Liberal party in this country.

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Tom Clark has no credibility, neither does his “rival” over at the CBC, Evan Solomon. Both claim to be concerned about getting to the bottom of the detainee issue, claiming that the Harper gov’t is covering things up. Yet both are residents of Ontario and taxpayers in the province, yet both are complicit - as well as the networks that employ them - for throwing a blanket over the $1 BILLION eHealth Liberal spending scandal in the province. As taxpayers to Queen’s Park, are they not concerned? Funny thing, 2 months after the Harper government said “No” to a public inquiry into the detainee issue (Nov 19, 2009), they continue to press for one. Yet the day Ontario’s Liberal premier said no to a public inquiry into the spending scandal (Oct 13, 2009 is the day the story was buried. It seems that in that for the latter, “No” was an answer that both networks had to flatly accept.

Too bad it's not ten years early. Mike Harris and a $1 billion spending scandal... now THERE'S a story both CTV and CBC would sink their teeth into and would never let go.

What jon said.
...and Rt. Hon. Terry Tory
...and Hans
...and gellen
...and Chis.

feeling agreeable and lazy tonight.

I'll be in touch with the local CBC radio show with this info, and we'll see what happens.

with Iggy back from vacation, CBCpravda can go into overdrive on being the propaganda wing of the liberal party.

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/01/12/parliament-prorogation-ignatieff-harper.html

CBCpravda All Liberal All the Time.

CBCpravda it goes on and on

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/01/11/prorogue-protest-professors.html

would this be considered a news report?

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/insidepolitics/2010/01/liberal-ads-the-conservative-party-pmo-fires-back.html

CBCpravda, All lieberal All the time.

what is allowed on CBC for reporting.

The Taliban aren't insurgents.
They have more popular support than the Afghan government does.

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A complete fabrication. The last number I remember was 61% opposed to the return of the Taliban. Even the voter turnout should tell you that, since the Taliban threatened the lives of *everyone* who dared vote in the last election (elections, apparently, are "un-Islamic"...). Didn't seem to stop people, did it?

Cal2, from your link...

From the CBC link…

“Opposition Leader Michael Ignatieff on Tuesday slammed comments from Prime Minister Stephen Harper suggesting an economic argument for proroguing Parliament until March.”

Heard much of the same from Margot McDiarmid.

Iggy gives a presser. Following it is MacDiarmid and the news anchor, filling the post Q&A analysis with Iggy’s talking points, his attacks against PMSH, and the attacks by other critics.

Shortly thereafter…

PMSH gives a presser. Following it is MacDiarmid and the news anchor, filling the post Q&A analysis with Iggy’s talking points, his attacks against PMSH, and the attacks by other critics.

And of the CBC's interview with one of the professors sponsoring the petition? Well, it was a riot! Back and forth between he and the news anchor, talking about how PMSH’s is a control freak and that his move to prorogue parliamnet has, as the professor put it, “damaged the democratic fabric of Canada”.

Though, no word from professor whether he thinks that a national, publicly-funded broadcaster acting as the propaganda arm of the Liberal Party does the same. Such criticism of the CBC the broadcaster tightly controls.

More media laziness.
I found this at daylife.com
Iggy quote from Toronto Star 3 days ago, and of course no one in the media challenged him to explain.

"Mr. Harper shuts down every independent regulator or every independent body who stands up to the power of the Prime Minister. Shutting down Parliament is part of that pattern"

Iggy..if only that was true..PMSH would have shut down elections Canada, and CBC and the Lib dominated Senate, to name a few.

CBC,embedded with the opposition,in so many ways.

@ Gellen i am pretty sure my MP's office is a regular visitor to SDA.During the Hopenhagen fiasco i sent a email to my MP with a link to SDA so they may get better informed on big Al's global warming shtick and i got a reply back,interesting site and would inform others of it.

Just to be sure i am off now to send a link to the Torch article it will get noticed.

"u'd think this was the very first prorogue in the history of mankind"

Well...here is a little story that give you an idea of how people have swallowed the Harper Hate Koolaid.

My husband was having a discussion with aunt yesterday -

She was complaining about the fact that Stephen Harper has done nothing in his four years but has prorogued twice.

My husband said that he certainly has done something but things get stalled in the senate.

She questions why the senate would want to do this?

Then she starts in on progation and my husband says that Chretien did it as did Trudeau.

She is indignant and claims they never prorogued, just recessed.

My husband states that the media just called it recess, not prorogation.

She states that Chretien NEVER went to the GG to shut down parliament like Harper did.

sigh..

me thinks someone has been watching too much TV.

Oh and OZ - you do know that in 2007, the Harper gov't put policies in place regarding detainees, don't you.

So your time line of 2006-2010 is a bit out.

Remember...google is your friend OZ

since when do we worry about what happens to terrorists captured in mid-terr after they've been returned their own government for punishment?
~The Phantom

I don't, worry that is.
I'm sure the people our troops capture are Taliban fighters.

From Article:
"Canadian diplomats noted that the Afghan military, police and intelligence services were implicated in arbitrary arrests, kidnappings, extortion, torture, and the murder of criminal suspects."

Arbitrary, look it up if you don't know what it means.
It doesn't mean suspected Taliban captured in the field.
It makes the foreign infidel installed government equal in the eyes of the average Afghan to the Taliban when it comes to violence plus it means that the government and it's agents are serving private interests, ie Afghan warlords, in the pursuit of private gain.

To those who have been trying to question the strawman assertion credited to me of whether or not the Taliban have overall popular in Afghanistan, it behooves me to point out that my January 12, 2010 12:08 PM comment states nothing of the kind but rather states:
"They[Taliban] have more popular support than the Afghan government does."

"Oh and OZ - you do know that in 2007, the Harper gov't put policies in place regarding detainees, don't you.
So your time line of 2006-2010 is a bit out."
~Alberta Girl

Thank you for the correction, Alberta Girl.

I'm haven't been comparing the CPCs policies to the Liberals and saying one is more to blame than the other.

I don't blame either regime on this issue, it's just unfortunate that we don't have the ability to harvest our own intelligence from these field captures before turning them over to anyone for detainment.

I said this(about which no one has commented):

-"Both regimes are at fault.
Solution:
Admit guilt for the Canadian government in general just like Harper did when he apologized to the Indians over the Residential Schools and start handing detainees over to the Americans again.
(Obama would just love to have more Afghan detainees heaped on his head like glowing coals)

Is Harper supposed to take a page out of Obama's playbook and just blame his predecessor?

End of story.
My guess is that parliament is prorogued while the Harper government negotiates a solution with the Obama government who really don't want to deal with more Afghan detainees captured by Canadian troops.
This is an international hot potatoe."

Alberta Girl

Just loved this post@ Alberta Girl at January 13, 2010 8:00 AM above Ý

Why is your precious leader running away?