Scratch A Leftist

Bigcitylibs eh? And you'll find them mostly in Canada's 2 biggest cities, Toronto and Montreal. I guess we should stalk these kinds of blogs, but I for one, haven't the stomach.

Shoe fits.

Nice echo chamber in the comments section. The same 3 or 4 dim wits throwing poo at each other.
Canadian leftist/liberal blogs are pathetic.

These Jew-hating ECO-Fascists are called Watermelons because they are green on the outside
and RED inside once you scape away the surface.

Just heard Charles Adler with Melanie Phillips as guest. Sure puts a different light on Radical Islam.
Check charlesadler.com and go to the Podcast archives "Attacked from Within 1 & 2 Nov 10" click "get episode" on the right. You need iTunes which you can download from Apple.
But maybe you shouldn't. You'll just hear more Right Wing conspiracies and racism.

Everyone should have a hobby. One of mine is baiting left anti-semites. BCL is sort of a stocked pond of such types.

At this very point BCL is having more hits per minute than he has had per day in months. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

I don't see the antisemitism in the postings. One can question the commenters' motives, and definitly question some of their conclusions, but the comments as they stand are not obviously antisemitic. Maybe I missed something.

It's actually a reasonably civilized debate, given the cast of characters involved. Well, okay, it deteriorated near the end.

I don't call that blog BigCesspoolLib for nothing.

When commenter Jerome Bastien tries to be the voice of reason, reminding the assembled Satan-worshipping congregation that "radical islam ... is clearly responsible for loads of atrocities (9/11, bali, london, madrid, somalia ... beslan ...)", he gets called dishonest even though he's obviously telling the complete truth.

And the resident leftist uber-creep responds to a comment of "But the alternative is to pretend there is no threat from radical islam" with "Maybe there isn't. Did you ever entertain that possibility?" In other words, black is white, 9/11 didn't happen, etc. etc. Proof positive that the leftists are out of touch with reality.

It's not so much anti-Semitism as the continued use of radical Islamists by Marxists to disrupt advanced western civilization.

I don’t think that a ménage à trios in a gopher hole qualifies it as a writhing pit.

rabbit: well, in that case I would like to declare you a member of a terrorist organization and haul your ass before a "Truth Tribunal" and in the process destroy your pathetic life.

How's that for reasonable debate?

Yeah, the comments sucked big time. First time I have seen it, and probably the last. It is written by a foolish gullible idiot for other foolish, gullible idiots.

We KNOW we have a brewing moslem problem. We KNOW that when their numbers grow to a certain point, they will start pulling the same crap here they have in other countries. We KNOW there are good moslems that will cause no problems - but we also KNOW that faith enables and protects the others.

There are many uncomfortable facts about that stupid religion and only idiots will ignore them.

If a single newspaper ad stating various facts is enough to "alienate" the (invisible) "majority of moderate Muslims in Canada" then maybe they aren't sane, stable or smart enough to be allowed to live here.

**** 'em.

I found the faux outrage of Robert "F- the Jews" McClelland in the comments to be particularly amusing.

You think we forget these things rube-ert? Not likely.

I just skimmed some of the commentary, and found Jerome Bastien handling the snakes quite well indeed.

B'nai Brith should be ashamed of themselves for sanctioning and promoting such a scurrilous advertisement. BB may have to be added to the list of extreme organizations. Just as there are radical Muslims, there are radical Jews. This type of propaganda serves no purpose and I will send a letter to BB and local chapters to convey such.

I think the ad was a mistake - not in its comparison of radical Islam with Nazism - which I feel is a correct comparison, but in its presentation of this argument.

It was an emotional argument if one may call such a presentation an 'argument'. As such, it evades rational discussion and such a comparison does call for rational discussion.

Furthermore, it incorrectly places the focus of radical Islam on Jews and Israel, where the real focus of radical Islam is any and all who are not Islamic, regardless of religion, ethnicity, nationality, etc.

So, as an 'argument', I think that ad is wrong.

As for the discussion - the only reasoning going on was by Jerome Bastien. People like Ti-Guy are just robotic voices; he has no argument. Same, to a lesser extent, with Robert McClelland and BCL. Their comments are always unsubstantiated opinions.

But the analogy between radical Islam and Nazism is strong. Both are farleft, socialist and 'cleansing' agendas, devoted to a monolithic and essentially theocratic notion of the political and social structure.

Both are openly violent, both express this devotion to violence as an inherent part of the ideology. And both focus this violence on 'Others', i.e., any who are not members of the tribe, so to speak. Both see this agenda in a military idiom, seeing their actions as a 'just war' against evil.

Both opt for a homogeneity of the population, with no individualism allowed. Both are primarily emotional constructs, requiring and operating within deep emotional and adrenalin-inducing near-hysteric bondings.

Yes T, because -nobody- should be able to say what they really think, even if its an historical fact. With pictures and video, even.

Especially white people, those bastiges!

Just as there are radical Muslims, there are radical Jews.

Alright! Andrea Calver is in the house!

I directed a psychologist friend of mine to the commentary on that posting and his reaction was none too flattering to the emotional and intellectual maturity of the commenters. His primary observation was that almost all were deeply insecure.

This ad informs accurately the simple fact that the problem is not arabs or muslims...but rather the Muslim Brotherhood which allied with the Nazis(historical fact) and has spun off Hezbollah, Hamas and Al Qaida.
It is like identifying the KKK as the focus of american racism.....and then the usual suspects denouncing that revelation as an attack upon Southern baptists and evangelicals.

Doug:

I'm good with it. Haul away.

As I said, it was a civilized debate considering the cast of characters. Ti-guy, for example, is seldom so restrained.

bill - a great many people feel insecure; that doesn't mean that they have to be stupid as well.

The triad on BCL's blog, of Ti-Guy, BCL and Robert McClelland are, in my view, definable merely as stupid. I'm not interested in whether they feel secure or not.

ET "So, as an 'argument', I think that ad is wrong."
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The purpose of the ad is to get an emotional response, and in this I think it is successful. Who expects ads to present "rational discussion" -- the "rational discussion" follows the emotional reaction (both for and against the ad's emotional content.) I think it is a good ad from the point of view of focussing people's attention on this issue. Most lose site of the lessons of history and this is a reminder to pay attention. As you point out, "the analogy between radical Islam and Nazism is strong" -- good for BB getting people to think about that.

lindal- yes, I see your point. My concern is that the emotional emphasis of the ad will preclude any rational understanding of the comparison, and will even inhibit any acceptance of the valid comparison of the two ideologies.

I admit that a 'rational ad' wouldn't grab attention; I wonder if a less narrow ad would do the trick. By 'narrow' I mean that I disagree with its focus on Jews/Israel. Radical Islam has a global agenda and frankly, would exist even if Israel didn't exist.

I think that a comparison of, let's say, three similar totalitarian socialist ideologies: radical Islam, Nazism, and Communism - which are all very similar - might, possibly might, be more acceptable than the BB one.

You could set up a chart: list their agendas of total control, rejection of freedom, mass murder, etc...List their 'texts' (Qu'ran-hadiths, Mein Kampf, Mao's Red Book/Stalin's agenda..)

As I said, I think it's an error to set up Islamic fascism as focused on Jews/Israel. That, in a way, leads anti-semites to say, 'great, leave them to it'; and others to say, 'it's their battle'. And both to get uninvolved.

We ought to be involved with Islamic fascism. We must realize that Islamic fascism is against all of us who are free; against democracy, against individualism, against reason, against science....and that We are Involved. We can't just turn our backs and say..(as Obama is trying to)..it's between the Jews and the Muslims. It isn't...that kind of indifference leads to Ft Hood, it leads to 9/11...neither of which had anything to do with Jews/Israel.

let us start by considering some questions about some Arabs

The reason you didn't find any anti-semitism there rabbit, was, well, because there isn't any anti-semitism.

It's one of the defining characteristics of the Hate and Death Cult to say that Israel of all countries must never be criticized in any way - and anyone who disagrees with this is an anti-semite.

It isn't a rational position anymore than saying that jettisoning the values of Western civilization and adopting actual toture techniques used by the Nazis, is by virtue of its very barbarism somehow a strike against terrorism.

So the try to outdo each other in their lust for blood and violence - a Hate and Death Cult.

Their braying about supposed anti-semitism is merely a chance for them to play out more of this 'theatre' of moral exhibitionism - they're also compensating for the fact that it's their side who's been responsible for the horrible anti-semitic crimes of the past.

But the important thing to remember: they're in love with cruelty, violence and death (Did you see how they ridiculed the woman who was mauled to death by coyotes out East last week?) They're a a Hate and Death Cult.

Funny, but reading that pap and the comments over there my minds voice sounded like THIS

"they're also compensating for the fact that it's their side who's been responsible for the horrible anti-semitic crimes of the past."

I don't know who "they" are. Are you saying conservatives are on the same "side" as Nazis?

First, there was a great deal of the Third Reich that came straight out of the communist playbook. Indeed, libertarianism (which is one of the main themes of modern conservatism) is the polar opposite of fascism.

Second, it makes no more sense to associate moderate conservatives with Nazis then it does to associate moderate liberals with communists. One may as well equate jaywalkers with serial killers.

Third, the far left has a deep and ugly association with antisemitism. Any idea that racism is exclusively tied to far-right ideology is utterly bogus.

Scratch O's no-photos: find an anti-semite.
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"Obama refuses public photo ops with Netanyahu

JERUSALEM – The White House has not released any official photos of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's meeting this week with President Obama – just one of several signs indicating a rift between the two leaders.

Netanyahu arrived in the U.S. last weekend to address a convention of Jewish leaders. The prime minister's office had for weeks attempted to schedule a meeting with Obama, but no meeting was officially confirmed until Netanyahu was already on a plane on his way to Washington, sources in Netanyahu's office said.

The only photos available to the media so far have been pictures of Netanyahu entering and exiting the White House. Any official photos taken of Obama and Netanyahu have not been released.

Neither Netanyahu nor Obama's team had scheduled any press conferences after the meeting, contrary to usual custom. Sources close to Netanyahu told WND the Israeli team canceled media briefings at the request of the U.S. administration."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2383955/posts

Last week CBS announced that the Obama White House has banned Fox News from their grounds. I found it appalling that a viable news agency was being denied access to the President. Where was our first Amendment? It was a radical move even for Obama. Now I see why:
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This Sunday Fox news, is going to air a very important documentary about Barack Obama, Sunday night at 9 PM Eastern. 6 PM Pacific.

The report will go back to Obama's earlier days, showing even then his close ties to radical Marxist professors, friends, spiritual advisers, etc. It will also reveal detail his ties to Rev. Wright for 20+ yrs. How he was participating with this man, and not for the reasons he states!

The report has uncovered more of Obama's radical past and we will see things that no one in the media is willing to put out there. It will be a segment to remember.

Mark your calendar and pass this on to everyone you know: Sunday night, 8 PM. CT; 6 PM PT. Democrat or Republican, this report will open your eyes to how YOUR country is being sold down the road to Totalitarian Socialism.. If you care about the direction of our country, pass this notice on to everyone you know

What's lost on the philboys of the world is that the Berlin Wall was a symbol of the enslavement of his fellow human beings under the Big Government system he so loves.

What's also lost on them on Remembrance Day is that the free world fought ideologies of the National Socialist Party and Japanese Imperialism, both which dehumanized his fellow human beings.

Oh, well. They've still got Gaia and global warming, and can use fear tactics to enslave their fellow human being next month in Copenhagen.

Death to the control freaks (literally, of course)!

With regard to Israel and Palestine, and I may be very wrong, but my supposition is that Obama will drop both of them.

My view of Obama is that his only interest is in who/what He controls. He has no interest in any situation or any peoples ..as that situation, or as those people. He's only focused on whether or not he controls the situation, the people.

He can't control Israel-Palestine. So, for Obama anything that he can't control, no longer exists. Actually, literally, no longer exists.

I predict he'll throw them both off.

He's not interested; he has no capacity to be involved in anything that is not About Him.

Remember his indifference to the Iranian peoples demonstrating for democracy; his indifference to the Honduran adherence to their constitution; his constant insults to other world leaders who he has to denigrate as irrelevant.

His insults to the American people, to their Congress, to their Tea Parties, to their Town Halls. For Obama, he either controls you, by his charm and his winks, ...or...you don't exist.

"I don’t think that a ménage à trios in a gopher hole qualifies it as a writhing pit. Cal"

OMG, too funny!

Michelle Malkin has a great column against the scourge of political correctness.

http://michellemalkin.com/

Can you say, "Grand Mufti of Jerusalem"? The
contacts between Naziism and radical Islam are
well known and well documented.

ET hit on a vital point which most often is ignored. This is not a case of a struggle between fundamentalist/radical Islam and Israel and Jews. It is fundamentalist and radical Islam against all who do not agree or who do not submit. The danger will not disappear even if every Jew and Israel ceased to exist. By concentrating on such a narrow focus, the world ignores the danger at its peril. I should point out that it is just as big a danger and threat to Muslims who reject the Islamic ideology, so people who think themselves safe because they are not Jews make a deadly mistake.

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"rabbit says... Maybe I missed something."

you mean the unfortunate "jew experiment"
comment that dawg almost instantly deleted?

yeah... that one.

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I can't wait for the barrage of sophistry explaining that Neo.

Neo:

Yeah, that clarifies things. I admire anyone who can refer to a posting entitled "f*ck the Jews" as a think-experiment. Perhaps we should refer to David Duke's writings as "experiments in alternate perspectives". Duke doesn't really mean it - he's just testing the waters, so to speak.

But to give Dawg some credit, he had the sense to delete the post.

Jake @ 10:57, that map you link to is misleading, or at least the heading of "Arab" is. Slightly more than half of the countries shown are not Arab countries. Aside from Israel, all of the countries are Muslim, but only 12 are ethnic Arab, some albeit with significant ethic (non-Arab) and/or religious minorities, such as Christians.

Oops. Make that 13. I forgot Lebanon.

So the ad intended to have some appeal to the emotions, instead of being "purely rational". That would put it in the company of practically every ad that was ever displayed.

Good for you, B'nai Brith! It's time someone started saying the obvious in big bold letters with colour pictures, because there seem to be a lot of people out there for whom it isn't yet obvious.

Hey, T:

If someone had posted a similar ad in 1938, warning the world of the dangers of Nazism and Hirohito, would you have just yawned and/or denounced it?

Oh, that's right - your ilk did. And today of all days, we remember exactly what a terrible price had to be paid for policies of "appeasement" and "can't we all get along?".

When they come for you, buddy, don't expect me to save your ass.

What does one expect to see? The Nazis tried to kill the Jews and now Islamists. As far as I can see, there's a link.

Ditto what Alain said at 2:01.

Here is a good read from Yale U about the Nazis and the Mufti of Jerusalem

Two peas in a pod they were, and if Hitler had gotten control of Jerusalem the Mufti had his own Holocaust plans for the Jews.

http://www.yale.edu/yiisa/jeffreyherfpaper2509.pdf

we should see more of these ads

Good for BB, we have the Hamas loving leftist/Islamists on the run in Canada, spreading their thinly veiled hatred via unions and Muslim/Leftist student unions is going to become a whole lot harder in future.

Only on a leftist blog could you read the Hamas Charter.

Osumashi Kinyobe, I never disputed the similarity between the Nazis and the Islamists, nor their objective to exterminate all Jews. I am aware of the documented evidence of the Islamists being allies of the Nazis during WW II, but I hope to point out the danger of only focusing on this aspect. The Islamists are a serious threat to anyone who rejects their ideology and refuses to submit to it no matter what their ethnic group is or what their religion, or lack of, is. They like all totalitarian fascists are deadly enemies of freedom.

rabbit:

Surely you are aware that one of Hitler's reasosn for persecuting Jews was that he conflated them with communism, even stating that communism was a logical outgrowth of Judaism. Hitler was a right-wing fascist who saw himself in a battle with communism.

I hope that you are not about to disgrace yourself with the latest right-wing whackjob canard of saying the Nazis were socialists, i.e., left-wing, because their name had the word 'socialist' in it. It was a party Hitler took over and used for its own purposes and was no more 'socialist' than the People's Republic of China is Republican. But any student of history knows this.

Finally, if you consider someone who states "Scratch a leftist, find an anti-semite" to be a moderate conservative, I'd like to know what you consider to be extreme. You yourself said you found no anti-semitism in the link provided. My point is that these people aren't conservatives of any kind but members of a Hate and Death Cult.

"The left has a deep and ugly association with anti-semitism" does it? Comparable to the actions of right-wing fascist Hitler?