34 Replies to “As A Direct Question”

  1. You know, you, civilized people of the West, don’t get it.
    They don’t need you.
    The Vietnamese did not need you.
    The Afghans don’t need you.
    They’ve been living in a cesspool for so long, that they fear any other way of life. You can’t force a 7th century society perform the Big Jump to the 21st century, not in your lifetime.
    Legalize the effin’ drugs and leave the god forsaken place alone. Nuke them if they cause trouble. But don’t waste endless lives reeducating them.
    The only reason we have to fight that war is because of twisted political correctness that dictates that we are somehow obligated to integrate the states, following murder/suicide cult, into global economy. That, and misguided UN refugee policies forced down our throat, that force us to accept the followers of the above mentioned cult, and allow themselves and relatives to shuttle between the West and the shitholes they came from. That, and free money to be had here in the shape of welfare.
    Redistribution of wealth, forceful and merciless, that all Western governments are clinging to, is the ultimate evil, causing all the death and suffering here and there.

  2. “The Vietnamese did not need you”
    Funny I was under the impression that Vietnam opened up trade with the US a few years back. To get past an agrarian society you need other nations with which to trade. The affluent West has more disposable income at the individual level and therefore has the ability to buy the goods that the Third World has to offer. Funny how the Vietnamese are not trading with the Communist Chinese, who are their continental neighbours.
    Once the Afghans get their country back from the bad guys who force them to plant poppy…they will revert to planting food/fruit crops for self-sustainment and eventual export. Note that most of their food staples are being brought in from Pakistan.

  3. you are once again applying your logic to someone who does not share it. I don’t know your background, but it sounds like you never lived outside of Canada, did you?
    The Afghans are not eager to ‘get their country back’, they are sort of there and never left. I am not even going to invite you to think outside of the box – it’s impossible until you are actually exposed to some unspeakable poverty in the 3d world that you can understand what it means, to live in s a stick’n’dirt hut and eat a handful of beans a day.

  4. “it’s impossible until you are actually exposed to some unspeakable poverty in the 3d world that you can understand what it means, to live in s a stick’n’dirt hut and eat a handful of beans a day.”
    What countries in the world live like this? Non that are free and democratic.
    This type of poverty only exists in totalitarian and socialist regimes.

  5. Aaron: It’s strange how your misogynist mind works … you assume that the children and women of Afghanistan want to be where they are … they want to be married off at 10, and they want to suffer under one of the most chauvinistic systems in the world today. You assume, that little boys want to be prostituted out because there isn’t enough female flesh to go around. You assume, that they want to be dominated by the beasts that are the Taliban. You assume, that they want to remain illiterate, that they want to go bare foot in the winter … and in some strange bizarre twist of logic only understood by progressives … you suggest that “we” are somehow to blame and “we” are the ones bringing suffering.
    I’m not sure whether to consider your strange reasoning a result of decadent progressive upbringing or just typical thinking common among misogynists who dismiss the massive suffering of women in the Muslim world in particular, and even find a way to blame us for it … or worse, criticize us when we make a positive difference somewhere.
    “Nuke them .. “ … you’re kidding … right?
    Like Bezmenov liked to say, there is absolutely no penetrating the utopian socialist mind with logic … don’t even try.
    “Don’t waste lives re-educating them” …. says it all … what a pathetic decadent mindset.

  6. Aaron,
    Surprisingly, I wasn’t born in Canada and spent the first eight years of my life seeing the “incredible poverty” of a Third World Country just outside my window. As to Afghanistan I was actually there for 9 months meeting a myriad of Afghans from really rich and powerful politicians/warlords to farmers growing marijuana and wheat, trying to ensure their family had food during the winter months.
    I suspect, Aaron that you’ve never lived outside of Canada and your travels have either been to Western Europe or the exotic parts of Asia. As for your opinions, they sound like those of smarmy university students who are getting mom and dad to pay for their social science degree at UofT or UofO.
    HINT:
    1) No matter the civilization or culture, parents want their kids to have a better life than they had.
    2) In places without a social safety net or grocery stores…having food during the winter is pretty important.
    3) The Taliban force farmers to grow poppy so that they, the Taliban can get money to fund their terrorism. If the farmer refuses…they kill him in order to “encourager les autres”.

  7. Aaron; you’re an idiot.
    “Nuke them…”
    Don’t you realize that that is, in fact, the only other alternative to “boots on the ground”? Do you lack the imagination required to visualize just exactly what that means?
    Do the math. The war is on. We can accept the (minimal) military and civilian casualties of a long term commitment, caused by bullets and IEDs, or we can kill millions of innocents by turning a significant chunk of the planet into radioactive glass. Those are the stark alternatives, as you point out.
    Leftists like you seem to be able to flippantly contemplate the deaths of thousands or millions, if it leads to your ideal outcome.
    Fool.

  8. Many people are used to deprivation and violence. That is all they know. Some of these people even live in Canada. But just because they are used to it doesn’t make it right. Ignoring human suffering is immoral.
    The Afghans must sort out their own society, yes. We’ve had to push for the change because whatever ability the Afghans needed to effect the change was stripped from them.
    Just my thoughts.

  9. Aaron
    “””I am not even going to invite you to think outside of the box”””
    because that would demonstrate the foolish construct of said box, which is of your own making to your own ideals
    you have an opinion, so what, even an idiot has an opinion

  10. I am not afraid, ahsamed or embarrassed to be called fool and idiot in this thread.
    Like I said, you in the West are incapable of putting yourselves into the shoes of Afghan locals. They think in different terms and on a different scale than you. Your actions are illogical to them, just as their actions are to you.
    favill, I don’t know if you are honest about your background or not, I just know who I am and what is my background, and I have been observing Western society for almost half of my adult life. You are really, really hopeless as a society. There are some bright individuals, who prefer to keep their mouth shut. Reason being this society would railroad any dissenters, throw them under the bus. Regardless whether left or right, all are afraid of truth, and never speak it or want to hear.
    I proudly wear ‘idiot’ smear that you want to put on me, because in your self-righteous rage you completely forgot something, which you’ve been foaming at the mouth with for years on this blog. All of a sudden the Afghans have become in this thread something like your next door neighbour. They are not and have never been. These are people who think and act still like in 7th century, majority of them.
    Like I said, if they continue to harbor terrorists and export them, nuke the damn thing, but otherwise leave it alone. That’s the only solution.

  11. Aaron,
    And by allowing the Taliban to hold sway over this much fought over country with 90% illiteracy they will remain mired in the 7th Century, albeit with modern day weapons. Do you really want that?
    To use an historical fact, the last general to truly conquer Afghanistan was Genghis Khan. He did this by killing every single male of fighting age in any city that opposed him. Furthermore, he would then take the surviving males (usually tradesmen, scholars or engineers) and make them part of his army. Oh yeah, and the women were given to the soldiers of his army as the spoils of war. Is this what you’re advocating?
    The Afghans are in the process of evolving their society. Remember that they had a monarchy, which ended in the late 1960’s, that resembled Britain’s in its infancy (powerful dukes/warlords who were loyal the king). Much of the “modern” infrastructure such as dams and universities were built in the 1950’s and 1960’s. It was the unfortunate detour into socialism/communism which precipitated what we see today. What we’re trying to do is put them back on that road.

  16. You can’t even clearly articulate why the troops are there.
    Before the NATO troops entered A-stan, Taliban virtually eliminated poppy farming. Since they have been kicked out of Kabul, opium production skyrocketed. Lion share of those opiates ends up on our streets, and the money goes you know where.
    Are you serious in your belief that NATO troops are there to ‘bring democracy to Afghani people?’ Are you serious? That would mean that any country, which is not deemed a perfect democracy by NATO can be invaded and re-educated?
    If the troops are not there to stop manufacturing of terrorists and the flow of opiates into our streets, then why are they there?
    You all know that I am an outspoken proponent of legalization of all drugs. In one single strike of a pen the war could be put to an end and economy of an entire region restored. But no, you insist on fighting. What is your agenda then?
    If left alone A-stan would continue to harbor and export terrorists, their government can be told in no uncertain terms, that they will face nuclear obliteration or comply. $20 says that they would bring terrorist heads on a plate within minutes after that.
    Why do you insist that our troops have to continue kill and be killed? Just tell the truth once in your lifetime, come on, say it!

  17. No, Aaron. The Taliban did not eliminate poppy farming. As a matter of fact, the Taliban were great proponents of poppy farming because it brought in hard currency. What they were able to do was stop Afghans from using the opium derived from poppies…by killing those who were using it. As an aside, the reason poppy became the cash crop of choice was due to the fact that the Soviets had destroyed all the vineyards, fruit orchards and the infrastructure to irrigate them in order to limit the number of places the mujahadeen could hide. And before I forget, because idiots in the affluent West pay for the illegal drugs derived from the opium.
    Now I agree that the opiates derived from poppies should be bought by the First World Nations in order to make legitimate drugs for medical use and the proceeds be given directly to the farmer–not some middle man. Unfortunately, the U.S. is not for this idea. However, I’m not a great fan of legalizing any kind of illicit drugs–because they’re dangerous and people don’t need them.
    The agenda, which I mentioned in an earlier post, is to get the Afghans back on the road to evolving their form of government to something resembling the nation states of the early 18th Century…wherein nations were slowly being weaned away from the somewhat theocratic rule of the Catholic Church.
    And your idea of threatening the Afghan gov’t with nuclear annihilation. Do you really think the Chinese, Russians and/or the Pakistanis (all of whom have nukes) will take too kindly if you’re popping nukes next door? Furthermore, the Muslim world, led by kooks like Almadinejad will unite to fight the “crusaders”. By going this route you strengthen the enemies of the West and weaken us…because nuclear “anything” scares the bejesus out of Western politicians.

  18. Aaron: I’ll assist you with your poor knowledge of Afghan “poppy” history … a poor knowledge based no doubt, on filling your brain with the typical sources of “truth machine” misinformation.
    The Taliban initially encouraged poppy farming … so much so that the world market was flooded and the price of opium collapsed. It was after that, that they ordered farmers, on pain of death, to stop poppy farming in order to recover the street price.

    The Taliban-opium connection goes back at least a decade. After they took control of Afghanistan in 1996, they encouraged opium poppy cultivation and took a cut from the trade, using the money to buy weapons and put up their buddies in Al Qaeda. In 1999, per the UNODC, Afghanistan had a record opium harvest of 4,565 tons.


    The following year, the Taliban suddenly announced that growing poppies was contrary to Islam. The UNODC says the ban, enforced by the threat of summary execution, nearly eliminated cultivation, resulting in a 2001 opium harvest of less than 200 tons.
    source: http://cjunk.blogspot.com/search?q=poppies+taliban


    As far as the rest of your 4:05, you are still advocating nuking Afghans, instead of spending the time and money and blood to bring the Afghan people at least partially into the modern era … truly a stunning abhorant view and particularily insulting to our soldiers who virtually all … after serving there … become ever more convinced of not only the nobility of our cause; but of its possibilities. Your view is, in fact, barbaric.
    As far as why we are there … I’m surprised you don’t know … or I suppose, you are just playing the fool … aptly, I may add. We are part of a UN mandated force, with specific goals and objectives clearly outlined in multiple online sources, especially within the ISAF homepage.
    Canadians in particular have a clear set of goals and priorities, as outlined in detail here:
    http://www.afghanistan.gc.ca/canada-afghanistan/approach-approche/index.aspx?menu_id=1&menu=L

  19. Oh boy, denial of reality spread into the right…
    Read the UN reports on opium poppy farming in A-stan, the data is there year by year.
    It’s nice to know that you decided what people need and what they don’t.
    And if you missed the recent news, the muslim world is united against the West for 14 centuries and counting.

  20. > We are part of a UN mandated force,
    Since when are you supporting UN? Weren’t you bashing everything UN related a few posts back?

  21. Aaron: I don’t support the UN at all … zippo. But, you asked, so I answered. I’d be for an Afghan expeditionary force with or without UN support. But, what I think of the UN has nothing to do with the facts … ISAF is a UN operation.

  22. Aaron,
    You are exasperating. Your views on how to “solve” the problem are not very different from the Muslims who believe if we all just submit to Allah, then everything will be fine. It’s also very “7th Centuryish”.
    Good luck trying to get reasonable people to listen to your views.

  23. A yes they think different than us, well yes they do they sell their little girls to pervs to pay off drug debts. They throw acid into women and little girls’ faces because they went to school. Of course the Taliban think different than us they are heroin addict vermin who butcher, maim and kill because they are demented sadist who enjoy what they do. But hay the women and little girls want to be treated like dirt and chattel wink wink right Aaron. Are you the Aaron from Canadian Content? Still a shill for terrorists aye?

  24. > I’d be for an Afghan expeditionary force with or without UN support
    Then what are you waiting for, take a plane to Astan and blast some locals to teach’em a lesson in progress. I asked what your own, personal justification was and you referred me to government propaganda web site. How mature!
    > Your views on how to “solve” the problem are not
    > very different from the Muslims who believe if we
    > all just submit to Allah, then everything will be fine
    I admit they are simplistic. That’s what my career taught me – to implement simple solutions, only they ever worked. Homo sapience are incapable of managing complex things (Just ask any technical support person!)
    There is no hope that anyone would listen, so no real attempts to get anyone to understand. It’s the allmighty PC that rules the world – neither left nor right will admit the obvious.
    Let me explain once again. I am a right wing extremist. No one wants to touch my views with a 10′ pole, no surprise here. You guys are all commies from my POV, no offense – just exaggerating to make things clear. In my view, it is illegal and immoral to send army to fight for years in a foreign country, which has no capacity to attack us. Spare the BS of ‘fighting there in order not to fight here’ – if our beloved government did not import the same islamic terrorists into our own country by shiploads, it would have made a bit of sense.
    We are faced with ludicrous situation: we send troops to fight the muslim terrorists, who then come here as refugees and immigrants and take revenge on us for ‘the sins of our fathers’.
    You are trying to pretend that there are ‘good’ and ‘bad’ muslims from the POV of our civilization. Nothing could be further from truth! There are only ‘good’ muslims from muslim POV, which means that they are only waiting to cut our throat, and ‘bad’ muslims from, again, muslim POV, who are not too eager to cut our throat. I was scarred by one of the ‘good’ ones. The ‘bad’ one simply fired me when he learned of my nationality.
    If you did not read quran and ahadith from 1st to last page, don’t even dare to state that you know something about islam. Read those books 2, 3 times and only then you will have a complete picture. You will be petrified of horror, I promise you. And we are poking a stick into that wasp nest… How brilliant! The former Taliban will be your neigbour tomorrow, thanks to multiculturalism.

  25. Aaron,
    Don’t you get it? If we make the hell-hole a better place…then all those people will be content to stay there, instead of coming here by the boatloads and claiming refugee status. Furthermore, if we make it good enough all those people who came here to get away from war may very well go back with their whole family in tow with the view to help in the rebuilding effort and to live in a Muslim country.
    Phase 2: We must do our part in Canada and vote out any and every politician who kowtows to the multi-culti ideal, because it doesn’t work. We should also get the idiotic notion spread by leftist intellectuals that western ideals and therefore western governments are on par with all the other ideals and non-democratic governments out there.

  26. Don’t you get it? It’s jihad! It’s going on since 7th century. Don’t you get it? Dar al islam never shrinks, it only expands. When Dar al harb reclaims some of Dar al islam, that land becomes occupied. When Umayad were kicked out of Aquitaine and subsequently Al Andalus, and further the Ottomans were kicked out of Austria and Balkans, those lands became occupied Dar al Islam.
    Those people will never be CONTENT until the West is obliterated. You are sounding more and more desperately naive with every post: every martyred muslim must be revenged, they are smiling into your face
    > As to Afghanistan I was actually there for 9 months meeting a myriad of Afghans
    but counting heads in their mind. And they have long memories. They’ve been living like that for millenia – cup of beans a day, day after day. Their life is miserable, but established. They are scared shitless of the changes. Since the foreigners came a century ago, they’ve seen nothing but trouble. They feel manupulated and distrust every interloper, expecting the worse, and their worst expectations always come true – remember the Brits, Soviets, Taliban, NATO.
    I lived great deal of my life in a log cabin, brought water from the well in two buckets, chopped firewood for the wood stove and drove a bicycle to the town 10 miles away to refill a propane tank once we bough a stove, or to buy a 40 lb sack of flour. My parents used to make $10 a month each. I can understand the Afghanis, because lots they think us not spoken – you don’t, you as a society are incapable of hearing between the words and reading between the line.
    It would be the best if we left the damn place alone and just bought their entire crop and dumped it into the ocean. Killing them and being killed year after year is immoral, illogical and illegal.
    Who are you listening to? To the military, who are saying ‘Cool war, we like to fight it!’

  27. Aaron.
    You can’t solve all problems with pure logic, or a common knowledge bank. Humans are, in the most part, emotionally illogical….
    We can try to move those mired in the 7th century into the 21st (boots on the ground, blood in the Sand)
    or,
    We can return ourselves to the 7th century and solve our problems in a instant…….
    I hope we never pick the easy road (me first) that the Socialists are on, the issue is complex & the “Who’s on First” (skit) becomes relevant…

  28. What an insane way of thinking, Phillip!
    What you are essentially saying is, let’s kill a few Afghans etc a day until they bow and agree to accept lifestyle we want to push down their throats.
    I want to buy you a book, by Dale Carnegie: ‘How to Win Friends and Influence People’. Read it, you’ll learn what is summarized in the old proverb ‘you catch more bees with honey than with vinegar’ or something to that effect.
    I am proposing law enforcement mode, you are for the dictatorial mode. Who of us is barbaric?

  30. …and I have been observing Western society for almost half of my adult life… ~ Aaron
    From what vantage point have you been observing? Were you born into a non-western culture? Or are you observing from within, and have decided to reject your western culture?

  31. > From what vantage point have you been observing?
    As if the answer will help you! You’ll forget the whole discussion tomorrow.

  32. As if the answer will help you! You’ll forget the whole discussion tomorrow.
    It sounds like you’re the one more in need of help; however I’ll take your advice and forget the discussion right now.

  33. Just what I thought, your attention span is measured in fractions, but I am not sure of what – inches or seconds. You all live in a country which never had war on its territory, you always thought wars thousands of miles away from your shores, and then you never talked to the veterans. For fairness sake, they were not allowed to talk to you by the socialists in the public education system, but it does not matter anyway. You ultimately are oblivious to the horrors of war, and think of it as of something distant and annoying, like mosquito.
    I have a picture on the wall, of my distant family, taken around 1917. Out of 11 in the picture 6 were killed by SS death squads, two died of wounds and one of diseases. On the other side of the family one was a prisoner of war in Mauthausen and several missing in action, never to be seen again. I am qualified to speak about war and you are not.
    Imagine the ad on TV:
    Ever saw 90 people burning alive in an area smaller than soccer field? No?! Here’s your opportunity – joing the CF, take a plane to A-stan! Uniform and ammunition provided.

  34. > It sounds like you’re the one more in need of help
    Even if I was, there would be no one to provide it, you are too preoccupied with your little daily things, like posting to the numerous blogs etc.

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