SDA Gets Results

You don't have to sign up for the propaganda, just register and vote.

It strikes me as a bit insane that we are asked to vote for slavery or freedom.

What blows me away is that the slavery is winning.

Starting ~6 years ago, The Economist underwent a gradual shift from being a right of centre to a leftist publication by 2004.

"Starting ~6 years ago, The Economist underwent a gradual shift from being a right of centre to a leftist publication by 2004."

I cancelled my subscription back in 2002 and haven't bothered renewing. I've consigned them to the dustbin of herstory.

Slavery also exists under capitalism, whether it is the actual slavery and colonialism which made the Western elites so rich in the first place, or the wage slavery which most of us are subject to every day.

Herod and Pontius Pilate have both given 2 thumbs up to higher taxes on the subjects of the Empire. There was some commotion in Galilee this weekend, but they showed him who's boss.

Yeah Uzi... There's no way a wage slave here in the free world can ever get ahead or change circumstances. Might as well just get some government cheese and enjoy it, eh?

Hannibal Lectern:

Yeah, some stupid Judas sold HIM out.

Romans were thumbs down to the Christians though.

The frequent demand of "Throw the Christians to the lions." always seemed rather sporting to the Romans.

Maybe that's why they raised taxes, you know for more bread and circuses.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group "True North"

As a long time subscriber to The Economist, I would have to say that the average reader is pretty much a capitalist, although most support some degree of government activity in the economy.

You bet, Yukon. I work long and hard so some billionaire can profit off my labour. I have no problem with getting back some of the cheese which I helped to create.

I cancelled my subscription at least 15 years ago. Couldn't take the paternalistic toffee nose sensibility anymore. And besides, I never quite finished slogging my way through one issue before the next one arrived reminding me of that awful feeling watching Bonanza Sunday night without my homework done.

Pretentious, pompous, Brit twits, the lot of them.
They are morons for even having the "debate". It's axiomatic that reduced tax rates increaes tax revenue.

That said, a tax cut without a proportionate reduction in government spending (Bush!) is not a tax cut at all, merely a tax deferral.

However, the disgusting collapse of corporate governance and the resulting obscenity of CEO pay won't help our side of the "debate".

Next month I hear there's going to be a debate on whether or not collective farming is better and if so did it fail because of poor manager selection?

I just signed up and voted no. Have read the Economist on occasion in the past and assumed it was still a "free enterprise' publication. If they have moved to the left, it is no wonder considering the leftist slant of most high school teachers and university profs for the last twenty years or so. Lenin's offspring appear to have succeeded in their long range goal of undermining our society through the educational system.

Put placard said “Capitalism is prison – fight for socialism”
Who to blame here!
capitalism is better than socialism or vice versa or mix of both or none of the above by create new system of justice
The answer is none of the above

://www.digitaljournal.com/article/270520

://blazingcatfur.blogspot.com/2009/04/fish-rot-from-head-down.html

Food industry need to check employees for
health check up all vacination check up
crime check up and credit check up
relocated employees in close distance by help them to do so help employee not get abused work time and amount of job and security check up background check up and more etc...
no smoking check up driving licence check up
and so on
using job placement agency to do proper job for them

Look at Maple leaf food number of poisening dead people for lack of health and security employees and blame to federal inspectors in return as wow... to them

Misom halal food always tells the truth and warn for preventing and solve problmes in short and long term as good advicer to food industry

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Misom halal food will back to Loblaw soon with new plan soon watch new news again too
Misom halal food plan to fix Cericola 4 year mess up in everything by review thier compan problmes in details as Misom predict this will happend and plan to prevent worse to come for halal food for Canada customers

Money is not everything in all senarios and conditions some people need to check them from head to toes from brain to feet to see how thier brain is working and how come do such crime and illegal act with no mercy with not care of public needs and country economic problmes and customers and employee and number of unemployement exist in this country need job we can not give job to illegal people to save money for rich people more to cut their tax this is sane and wrong way It may not too late to save Canada work force and food industry still and farmers in Canada not know law in proper and abuse it for save profit solely for them not care

Slavery also exists under capitalism, whether it is the actual slavery and colonialism which made the Western elites so rich in the first place, or the wage slavery which most of us are subject to every day.

Ya and there was a time when we were all slaves to the jungle. You know sleeping in caves and fighting off wild beasts. Funny how we managed to move on from that.

In our part of the planet slaves (American Negroes) were freed long long ago and are now running the USA. I think you can still find some slavery in Africa where evolution has not occurred.

The rest of us had the opportunity for free education (tax payer funded) and free libraries and now the Internet all to increase our knowledge and skill levels. All it takes is getting the lard arse off the sofa and you can be more prosperous.

The really big enslavement that is currently ruining our society and economy is the slavery to consumerism that puts many of us into the slavery of debt.

I have avoided this and so have my two brothers and some of my friends. I don't hang with people who are miserable and unable to figure out that it is their own weaknesses that keep them enslaved.

Uzi, are a slave?

The leftist past/history is haunted by the ghosts of Lenin/Stalin/Mao, et al.

Fortunately, they are now in the PET Cemetery; however, their heirs, above and below the underground, plot and conspire today.

Leftists purge intelligentsia: fascism from Stalin.
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Reins on Remembrance: 70 Years After Stalin's Purge, Candor Has ...
22 Aug 2007 ... Reins on Remembrance: 70 Years After Stalin's Purge, ... the killings of artists, intellectuals, members of the Communist elite and Soviet ...
www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=19527&prog=zru

You bet, Yukon. I work long and hard so some billionaire can profit off my labour. I have no problem with getting back some of the cheese which I helped to create.

If your labour is so valuable, there would be other "billionaires" looking to profit off it, and you could sell it to them for more. Or, you could start your own business and start down the road to being your own billionaire. But you don't want to hear this. No, you want to cling to the notion that you deserve more without risking. Either that, or you're not very good at what you do and are looking to blame someone else for it.

Plus, that government cheese? You didn't create it. It was taken from those of us who deserve to keep it to give to those who don't deserve to receive it.

Hey Uzi! You object to your “wage slavery”? Then quit and work for yourself.

There's a reason for the Tenth Commandment.

And, the ugly side of human nature seems to be rearing its head all over the place these days.

The poor will always be with us and there will always be those who have more than others.

They should be an inspiration to those who want to drag themselves up above the mediocrity and bland ambition.

Remember, we are all responsible for our own happiness. In the same way, we are all responsible for our own misery. It's all about attitude.

If I am not mistaken
there is differnce between job and career

if you made simple labour as hourly rate or kind of job they go and amount hour and responsiblity and creativity

If the person own the business this salary can be vary by lost today and gain occationally in some period more or less

both can not create to give a tools of governmetn get jelous of one person gain money to put stone in front of them to take their job and copy their jobs or ask more than they could tax off of them

on other hand this can not give them tools to billioner to wish for quick money today not tommorrow by bring all illegal fired all good and replace with cheap since their lawyer fees to show theier illegal look legal is more than what they pay to normal employees

if you see employee and workers as human and understand their job not data that accountant or may new market assitant give boss to cut this nad add to employee of AIG more and not pay people stock all goes to limit must keep and
morality and make sense and
some job is priceless like people who prevent crime or stop criminal acitivies I think while they gave them lower salary

new innovators usually got less money than marke development gays

look at name

managers
directors
vice president
senior vice president
executive employee
directors independant or dependant
chair man and president and vice president for presidnet

Is that all title came to made more salary
some deserve some don't

some owner deserve to make money some don't
some government can wish more tax some don't

some may thing going to Makeh or Madine is only must be Muslim while that is not true
rule Saudi government did is abusive to women or peopel of company go with them as Mahram
or ask so much for visit that country more than $5000 per person

in reulst back no body say how dirty the city in Makeh and not sentize is and not healthy for anybody to travel there and get sick in return
then what Saudi Arabi made is thier own culture for their own security it is not really what Islam ask them to do not allow only Muslim come and only rich Muslim come to their city is what is not really
evne all money are not used to made city clean it is used to made hte king rich and made all violance under Wahabi with big beard show to real Muslim must have bigger beard and mostash and rest are not real Muslim

then we can not allow government to ask tax if not care how to use it and only pay to lazy employee to file the job not fill needs of people of country
abuse of power and use it in proper need and balance and can be complete each other since goverment and people must complete each other job in return not fight together or trick each others

After the left kills off the "rich" just who is going to fund their socialist paradise?

A review of just who pays their fair share of taxes in the US:

Higher-income groups pay a disproportionate share of federal taxes because they earn a disproportionate share of pretax income and because effective tax rates rise with income. In 2006, the highest quintile earned 55.7% of pretax income and paid 69.3% of federal taxes, while the top 1% of households earned 18.8% of income and paid 28.3% of taxes. In all other quintiles, the share of federal taxes was less than the income share. The bottom quintile earned 3.9% of income and paid 0.8% of taxes, while the middle quintile earned 13.2% of income and paid 9.1% of taxes.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2009/04/cbo-top-1-earned-19-of-income.html

No news is good news.

Bleeding heart socialism here.
The code words?

"social problem".

The answer? Give the poor your money.

The mechanism? Our Enemy, The State.
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"If you could solve just one social problem, what would it be?
By Reuven Bulka, Citizen Special"
urlm.in/cbwh

Some of the logins here work.
http://www.bugmenot.com/view/economist.com

As history has shown, the only equality achieved through utopian totalitarian (marxist socialist, national socialist) systems is the equality of misery.

The mob is composed of those who are incapable of rising above it.

Hi Mitra. On a weekend pass from the looney bin?

News said "Look at Maple leaf food number of poisening dead people for lack of health and security employees and blame to federal inspectors in return as wow... to them"

Not really sure what you mean here but my suspicion about what went wrong at Maple Leaf Foods had more to do with the Ontario Teachers Union buying into it and cutting wages in half than inspectors doing their jobs or government cutbacks.

This isn't the bad capitalists doing this but the left leaning union folks who figure they deserve more than the average person. Who cares if you can't feed your kids as long as teachers get to live like they are millionaires when they retire.

I'd like to see the Teachers Union buy GM. Then we can watch to large labour unions duke it out. Win win as they say.

You bet, Yukon. I work long and hard so some billionaire can profit off my labour. I have no problem with getting back some of the cheese which I helped to create.
Posted by: Uzi at April 11, 2009 1:40 PM

Uzi, just how much, in your opinion, should the billionaire you speak of be punished for creating your job?

Uzi, so are you telling us that you added some intellectual or financial capital and took on the risks with the billionaire that owes you more than your wages?

You weren't there to create the cheese. Over and above your wages determined by your skill set the Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Larry Ellison, Warren Buffett of this world owe you nothing.

Your attitude is too pedestrian for you ever to become rich.

I propose a poll:
The Economist has reduced it's credibility to the level of Time or Newsweek.

Agree
Disagree

eh?

Notice how the leftist economist equates the "rich" with "pollution" in his argument. As if productive people are just a drain on society, instead of the engine of growth. What an idiot.

Incentives and disincentives matter and greatly!
Income redistribution kills incentive for both payer and recipient.

If you take away from those most productive and you give to those less productive you get less productivity.

Note that they tax income not wealth. This is why many rich people vote for tax hikes on the rich. Ask them for a chunk of their wealth, not income, and they run for the hills.

"Herod and Pontius Pilate have both given 2 thumbs up to higher taxes on the subjects of the Empire."

Compared to our modern tax rates, the Romans ran their empire on a shoestring: at times, the need to fund wars actually drove them to tax at around four percent.

Outrageous!

Mind you, they taxed everything.

(Oh yeah, so do we.)

Duplicity of the left.
The amoral left has abandoned the greens.

The NDP practices/uses the tactics of Lenin/Stalin/Mao, et al.

The credo of the communist/fascists:
The end justifies the means: nihilism.
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"AXING THE CARBON TAX

Why the NDP's green supporters fear they've been sold out for votes

Once upon a time, the New Democratic Party was seen as the friend of environmentalists everywhere. But today, the NDP's green supporters in British Columbia feel like the party sold them out in the name of political expediency.

It did.

When B.C. NDP Leader Carole James unveiled her party's election platform this week, a loud pledge to abolish B.C. Premier Gordon Campbell's carbon tax was at the heart of it. Most everyone knew it was coming. As soon as the NDP realized there were votes to be gained by opposing the unpopular tax, it vowed to eliminate it if elected in the May 12 vote. So what if it was a position fundamentally at odds with the views held by a vast swath of their supporters? Or that it made a mockery of the NDP's core values?

Still, it was a little shocking to see the tax as the featured tenet of the party's campaign manifesto."
urlm.in/cbwi

"I cancelled my subscription back in 2002 and haven't bothered renewing. I've consigned them to the dustbin of herstory."

Yeah, that's about the same time that I stopped reading it every week. It was palpable by 2001 that they were shifting its focus and political leanings. From then on, I just cherry picked the economics/finance and art articles. The shift also coincided with a move away from doing more detailed finance/economics articles and into more political commentary.

"I used to think. Now, I just read The Economist."
Larry Ellison, CEO, Oracle Corp.

"I am an avid and devoted reader of The Economist."
Christiane Amanpour, CNN's chief international correspondent, London

"The magazine I spend most of my days reading is The Economist."
Bill Gates, Chairman & Founder, Microsoft

"I read…The Economist. I do watch what's happening on the stock market."
Elle Macpherson

http://ads.economist.com/the-economist/testimonials/

"Or that it made a mockery of the NDP's core values?"

The NDP sold out their core values 30 years ago. They used to be the party that fought against the class system, fought for the poor and supported civil rights. Then they dropped all of those beliefs to embrace race and gender issues. Plus because they were taken over by rich white kids they actually show open hostility to the poor and are totally against civil rights. I think if David Lewis were alive today he would take his son and grandson out behind the barn and put a bullet in their heads.

Yeah - I also cancelled my subscription about 4 years ago. Nevertheless, I signed up and voted for freedom.

What I would like to see is a detailed analysis of Canadian tax sources at all levels:
- federal
- provincial
- municipal
- GST/sales tax.

Then take into account rebates/refunds, how many people in this country actually pay tax and what percentage of people pay how much.

ulianov, Only The Rich Pay Taxes
Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.03% of Income Taxes

Saw a great vid yesterday (HotAir, I think), that showed the real tax situation in the states.

The bottom 50% of tax payers pay a total of 3% of the federal income tax collected. The top 10% of tax payers pay 71% of federal income tax collected.

Well that seems fair........not.

Posted by: ulianov at April 11, 2009 6:38 PM

Proof.

Just one look at how many Politicians in Both Countries of any stripe are now shown to have not paid their taxes. So it gives you a good idea of what they are really for or government attitude towards them on a personnel level. Personnel income Tax is theft plain & simple from rich or poor.
Fact is the Rich pay most of the taxes. When it goes to high they leave. Than who pay's?
By the way, just a labour myself.
Even an Ox is worth its labour, how much more to one who supplies labor for those who have no work?
The ones to watch out for are folks who loves money or power more than people.
JMO

News - You are welcome to comment here. It's just that we have a little difficulty understanding what you are trying to say.

Maybe take a little more time to compose your messages.

Take care, mate

News - You are welcome to comment here. It's just that we have a little difficulty understanding what you are trying to say.

Maybe take a little more time to compose your messages.

Take care, mate

Flashback:

"THE GHOSTS ON THE ROOF

The Big Three Conferees dispersed under cover of an all but newsless fog of military security. But here & there was vouchsafed a glimpse—such as Franklin Roosevelt's afterdeck chats with Near Eastern potentates (see INTERNATIONAL); here & there a sound, like the short snort from Socialism's old warhorse, George Bernard Shaw. Snorted Shaw: "[The Yalta Conference is] an impudently incredible fairy tale. . . . Will Stalin declare war on Japan as the price of surrender of the other two over Lublin? Not a word about it. Fairy tales, fairy tales, fairy tales, I for one should, like to know what really passed at Yalta. This will all come out 20 years hence, when Stalin writes his war memoirs. . . . But I shall not then be alive—I shall never know."

Taking Mr. Shaw's lead, one of TIME'S editors has written the following political fairy tale. Since fairy tales, like more solemn reports, have their implications and their moral, TIME wishes to make it clear that it admires and respects our heroic ally, recognizes great mutuality of interests between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R.—but that in any argument between Communism and Democracy, TIME is on the side of Democracy.

With the softness of bats, seven ghosts settled down on the flat roof of the Livadia Palace at Yalta. They found someone else already there: a statuesque female figure, crouching, with her eye glued to one of the holes in the roof (it had been through the Russian revolution, three years of civil war, 21 years of Socialist reconstruction, the German invasion and the Russian reoccupation).

"Madam," said the foremost ghost, an imperious woman with a bullet hole in her head, "what are you doing on our roof?""
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,797136,00.html
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"Death of the Witness

In the summer of 1948, a squat, rumpled man took the witness stand before the House Un-American Activities Committee and made a series of accusations that changed the temper of his times. The accuser was a journalist named Whittaker Chambers. The accused was Alger Hiss, a longtime high-ranking State Department official who had been at Franklin Roosevelt's side at Yalta and had helped to write the Charter of the United Nations.

Chambers' sensational charge: he and Hiss had once worked hand in glove for a Communist spy ring operating in Washington during the '30s.

Chambers' startling statements touched off an impassioned and bitter national debate. At first, public sentiment favored Hiss, for the case seemed to turn solely on the word of a confessed Communist agent determined to destroy a man who had been the trusted colleague of such officials as the late Senator Arthur Vandenberg and former Secretaries of State Cordell Hull, Edward Stettinius and James Byrnes. Most of the U.S. was still reluctant to believe that Communism could have penetrated the Federal Government. Then, bit by bit—as if hesitating to reveal the extent of the conspiracy and his own involvement—Chambers produced the evidence that finally sent Alger Hiss to jail for lying, when he said that he had not given official documents to the Communist Party.

Secrecy & Mystery. But the effect of the Chambers-Hiss case was not confined to the sentencing of one man and the vindication of another. During the hearings, President Harry Truman charged that the whole affair was a Republican-plotted "red herring"—and his quip became a political boomerang, evidence that the Democrats were "soft on Communism." Dean Acheson, Truman's Secretary of State, insisted stubbornly that he would not "turn his back on Alger Hiss"—and came under political attack that seriously curbed his effectiveness. A young California Congressman named Richard Nixon became a national figure by prying information out of the reluctant witness.

In the aftermath of the long, lurid expose of espionage, the country's intellectuals argued endlessly about betrayal, turncoats, witch hunts and political innocence."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,897803,00.html

Uli Warren is paid around 100,000 a year. Berkshire Hathaway doesn't pay out dividends so no tax. When it is sold they will pay capital gain tax. How much does the secretary make?

Sooner or later, all Socialist regimes suffer the same fate - they run out of other people's money to spend.

Well said Fred. LMAO

"Sooner or later, all Socialist regimes suffer the same fate - they run out of other people's money to spend.
Posted by: Fred at April 11, 2009 7:58 PM

Well said Fred. LMAO
Posted by: Bruce at April 11, 2009 8:17 PM "

Actually,guys, it was Maggie Thatcher who said that,the only politico with iron tits and a spine in the last 40 years!

Ulianov is referencing the fact that, as Buffet himself has noted, his secretary has a bigger tax rate, relative to what she earns, than he does.

The facts are here:

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ece

It's heartwarming though to see the courageous defence of the rich which is mounted here by you all. It's wonderful to see you exclaim that billionaires like Buffet, Gates, et al, owe nothing to the society or the world which allowed them to create their massive wealth.

I can only assume you're all billionaires as well, trying to protect your own. After all, you can't be just a bunch of authority-loving, kiss-up-to-the-rich slave pawns, can you?

Bleet

"the world which allowed them to create their massive wealth..."

I guess I understand the nik now.

Syncro