Now Is The Time At SDA When We Juxtapose!

Peace be upon B Hussein Obama eh.

O. M. G.

Obama's doing "a Chretien" (irony of irony, Chretien's name means Christian in English).

Remember when Chretien forbade Christian prayers at the Peggy's Cove memorial service for the passengers of the Air France plane that crashed there, even though he put no restrictions on the prayers of the Jewish rabbi and Native spiritual rep.? Remember when he allowed no prayer at the memorial service on Parliament Hill after 9/11, while the Brits and the Americans had prayers offered by Christian clergy, Jewish rabbis, and Muslim imams?

Little by little in the West, Christianity is being banished by our G*dless,lib-left overlords, all in the service of (toxic) "multiculturalism," "diversity," and "tolerance."

'Only problem in our "multicultural mosaic" is, there seems to be no room for the host British, Judeo-Christian culture which, as I've said over and over again, has provided the foundational values of our Western democracies which have, in turn, provided generous hospitality to those multi-cultures who have come to our countries and who now seem to be in the ascendancy -- not because of their numbers but because of their supposed "sensitivities."

I'm reminded of the old saying "biting the hand that feeds you." A caution: The anti-Christian forces now coming to the fort in the West will in no way be providing the rest of us with shelter, hospitality, tolerance, or openness. Neither will there be any equality before the law or the defence of individual freedoms.

I suspect that if we in the West mount no defence of our Judeo-Christian values -- which are at the heart of our Western democracies -- and the commensurate benefits that we and the countless immigrants to our shores have enjoyed up to now, we will continue to see the descent of our civil societies into darkness, chaos, and squalor -- not unlike what exists in many of the countries from which recent immigrants have come.

The West is committing suicide.

Okay, I'm not even a Christian, but I'm officially paranoid now. I wanna see that birth certificate.

I guess I'm confused.

On one hand - as batb points out - it's clear that to many, "Christian" = bad.

So why is it people, especially liberals, freak out when we doubt Obama's claims of being a Christian?

Aren't we always told, additionally, that Islam is a religion of peace, equality, and benevolence that puts Christianity to shame?

So why are they all hyped up that a man who claims to be Christian, but holds the fundamental beliefs of Christianity in contempt, has his faith questioned and assumed to be one that they argue is equal or preferable to Christianity?

It's clear that - while Newsweek celebrates the decline and fall of Christianity in America - they still acknowledge that many identify as Christian and/or hold Christian beliefs deeply and sincerely. So they're attempting to walk a fine line between not embracing/endorsing Christianity and not spitting in the face of those Christians stupid enough to think liberal Democrats really care about them (lest they jar them out of that dream state).

Now, I don't think Obama's particularly anything. Muslims, by and large, aren't exactly fans of Planned Parenthood, gay rights issues, or moderate Muslims. Christianity is also - when followed orthodoxically - pretty darned conservative.

He's a progressive secular. Big whoop. Not that that makes him more appealing to me, mind you.

The Communists and Nazis took away religious symbols too.

What would his buddy Rev. Wright do ?

Black Mamba: you would be banned from LGF for that comment.

A Christian symbol you say? That's actually a symbol for Right Wing Extremists!

/sarc

...Judeo-Christian culture...our Judeo-Christian values...

Pot calling kettle black. No such thing as a hyphenated Christian. You're Christian or you aren't.

The only god Obama worships is the guy he sees in the mirror every morning.

hoss, the term Judeo-Christian refers to historical-religious trends and religious philosophies over centuries, NOT an individuals religion.

Have you ever seen a synagogue/church or someone declaring they are Judeo-Christian?

Neither have I. Get a grip.

ol hoss

Jesus was a Jew. The old test was Jewish.

If you don't know where the term judeo-christian comes from...

Black Mamba,
Recall when Obama's grandmother died just prior to the election? Obama made a trip to Hawaii, and stayed less than 48 hours - just enough time to go to the registry office and have his birth certificate sealed.
We don't know any official details about Barack Hussein Obama, including birth records, health records, academic records.

methinks that if the big "O" gets too close to any christian symbolism he'll burst into flames...

or, heaven forbid, some photo would be released that shows "O" and a religious symbol in the same shot and lefty heads around the world would explode!!!

Either way, somebody has got to get a crucifix near that man....

Lori - I don't go in for conspiracy theories and unhinged partisan slander (I mean, look on Andrew Sullivan and despair), but it's true, isn't it: Somehow the more you know about Obama, the less you know.

I would have 'dis-invited' him. Why should people hide what they are from their leader? If everyone stands up he stays in the White House. As far as it being his message that's fine but you have yours. They could reply he can speak if he doesn't use a teleprompter and puts earmuffs on. Whimsy.

Batb

That's pretty much what I tried to say last year. My only issue is there must be a way to be inclusive. For example, I'm not a Christian but I still see eye to eye with you about our roots. Unfortunately for some atheists, religion has been given such a bad name that if it's the rallying call, it will alienate many small 'c' conservatives. In the long run education is key, I think that many atheists who loathe Christianity are simply misinformed, but that's the long run. In the short term it's my opinion that conservatives shouldn't solely focus on religion. After all, millions of Christians and Joo's have been voting for the socialists and the religion haters despite the noses on their faces.

Frenchie77 either that or the photo would be mysteriously blank where the 'O' was supposed to be a la vampires that don't show up in the mirror.

Indiana
True - they don't call the United Church of Canada 'the NDP at prayer for nothing'

Dear Georgetown,
With regards to your kowtowing to some whitehouse weenie dictating what you can or cannot display on your own property I have just two words:" Stop it!"

Wasn't it Georgetown where they had to remove a cross from the chapel in case some poor athiest came in for refuge and became offended at the site of the Crucifix.

Appologies to Bob Newhart for stealing his line.

Jesus was a Jew. The old test was Jewish.

Neither statement is true. Jesus was of the tribes of both Levi and Judah. The priest line and the king line.

Judah was only one tribe of 13.

Ummmm....not to be picky batb...but that was Swissair 111 that went down off Peggy's Cove. But yeah.Your main point of no CHRISTIAN prayers rings true.Funny.I thought most of Europe was Christian.Damn good thing I wasn't there for the memorial,or there would have been a few "priests,ministers,etc" floating in the cove also! Hypocrites.And the churches wonder why they are losing members.

Frenchie77 and Agent Smith: If he's undead, that might also explain the birth certificate thing.

yikes ol hoss - i'm pretty sure there are 12 tribes and they're all Jewish.

You're all missing the truth because of intentional misdirection, which is to make you believe he is only either Christian or Muslim:

He's really a Joooooooooooooo

(breathe)

ooooooooooooooooooo!

No Decline in Belief That Obama is a Muslim
Nearly One-in-Five White Evangelicals Think So

Which just proves that 20 percent of White Evangelicals are ignorant retards. Thanks for pointing out that valuable statistic Kate.

Actually Smith,Both you and Ol Hoss are right on that number (12/13)
as both of Joseph's sons were considered as
separate tribes on many occasions

I think Hoss is being pedantic about the "Jewish" thing though

Christ said that his followers would be persecuted and guess what they are. world wide Christians are being killed and imprisoned. if Christianity is destroyed then the world will become totally out of control. obama is controlled by some group. a nothing such as he is could possibly gain the office of president without some kind of help from people that have an agenda that was not to be seen during the election.

Blue Mosque or St Pauls Cathedral for Obama?

As a Christian I would delicately like to state that I don't know if Obama is a Muslim but I harbor doubts his claim to be Christian. As I have said before, "If going to Church makes you a Christian, going to a garage makes you a car."

Proof of Christianity is found in character and acts based on an underlying belief system (world view) consistent with the teaching of Christ and the Bible. I have yet to see any such acts or form of character that would indicate that Christianity plays any part in the world view of Obama.

yikes ol hoss - i'm pretty sure there are 12 tribes and they're all Jewish.

Haha, all headed by Judah? Ah, Biblical illiterates...LOL

ol hoss revising history.

http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm
In the 6th century B.C.E., the kingdom of Israel was conquered by Assyria and the ten tribes were exiled from the land (II Kings 17), leaving only the tribes in the kingdom of Judah remaining to carry on Abraham's heritage. These people of the kingdom of Judah were generally known to themselves and to other nations as Yehudim (Jews), and that name continues to be used today.

In common speech, the word "Jew" is used to refer to all of the physical and spiritual descendants of Jacob/Israel, as well as to the patriarchs Abraham and Isaac and their wives, and the word "Judaism" is used to refer to their beliefs. Technically, this usage is inaccurate, just as it is technically inaccurate to use the word "Indian" to refer to the original inhabitants of the Americas. However, this technically inaccurate usage is common both within the Jewish community and outside of it, and is therefore used throughout this site.

I'll see your 'stat' with the 75% of leftists who believe the moon landings never happened, then raise you with the 79% of leftist moonbats who believe the twin towers were brought down by Bush, Zorpheus..thanks for reminding us that there are mental defectives in your camp who are in dire need of being institutionalized.

Excuse me, ol hoss: "No such thing as a hyphenated Christian. You're Christian or you aren't."

There would be no Christianity if it weren't for "the root of Jesse," the Judaic root of the Christian faith. Remember: Mary (Miriam) was a Jew, Joseph was a Jew, and Jesus was a Jew, as were most of His followers.

After Jesus Christ's crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension, His followers became known as Christians; there would be no Christian faith without Judaism. Pope John Paul II acknowledged this when he called the Jewish people Christians' "elder brothers and sisters in the faith."

Black Mamba
Somehow the more you know about Obama, the less you know.

A perfect observation. So far the best descipter yet on the Obama. I'm still asking myself who this Character is. The more I seek the less I find. Nicely said.
JMO

An interesting read "several of his oft-recited stories may not have happened in the way he has recounted them. Some seem to make Obama look better in the retelling, others appear to exaggerate his outward struggles over issues of race, or simply skim over some of the most painful, private moments of his life."

http://xml.orlandosentinel.com/travel/destinations/chi-0703250359mar25-archive,0,4180623.story

Justthinkin: No problem you're being "picky." I KNEW I should have Googled the crash! It was Swiss Air, not Air France.

My bad. :-0

In the case of the prayers at the Swiss Air memorial, I'm of the opinion that the Christian ministers should have refused to comply with Chretien's impertinent request that they not pray in the name of Jesus. Christian ministers DO pray, and have always prayed, in the name of Jesus. What would/could Chretien have done if they had prayed in Jesus' name? It was their constitutional right to pray in the name of Jesus and IMO they made an error of judgment in acquiescing to Chretien, thus opening the door to other such requests. Many of the deceased and their families would have been Christian, so to water down Christian prayers for them was insensitive and unnecessary, IMO.

Georgetown University also made an error in judgment in acquiescing to the White House's request that they cover up the IHS monogram in the backdrop against which Obama was speechifying. Georgetown is a Catholic University, for crying out loud. If they didn't like Christian symbolism, the White House should have gone somewhere else.

I'm trying to imagine Muslims or Blacks or Native Canadians being asked to cover up one of their symbols because it might be "offensive" to some other group and I can't see it happening.

Why is it only Christians who are asked to acquiesce to others' possible sensitivities? What about Christians' feelings? I'm pretty darned offended that Obama asked Christians to hide symbols of their faith ON THEIR HOME TURF ON WHICH HE WAS A GUEST.

There would be no Christianity if it weren't for "the root of Jesse," the Judaic root of the Christian faith. Remember: Mary (Miriam) was a Jew, Joseph was a Jew...

Huh? Elizabeth (John's mother)was a full blood Levite. And Mary was Elizabeth's cousin. Meaning
Mary was half Levite. Joseph wasn't Christ's father. Obviously.

ol hoss, with all due respect, give it a rest. Did you read fact check's post? Technically, the priestly tribe is the Levites, but even the New Testament refers to "the Jews" when referring to Jesus' people.

You can continue to split hairs/heirs if it makes you feel better, but it's not particularly helpful to the main point of this thread. (As a Christian, I am deeply indebted to the Jewish people and the faith they kept alive for centuries before Jesus' birth, and it's quite clear to me that my Christian faith stands on the shoulders of the Jewish faith.)

Christian symbols at a school founded by Jesuits - well, now I've heard of everything.

If Obama doesn't want Christian imagery on display where he gives speeches, maybe he shouldn't give them in Christian places. Just a thought.

While in the main ol hoss is correct but there is one point that he has overlooked. Hebrews 7: 14 states that Jesus is of the line of Judah (Jewish) and not of the priestly line (Levi).

The great brown leader would love to cover up his bow to the head Saudi sand lice emperor. Or would he?

"""Joseph wasn't Christ's father. Obviously.""""

old horse

I knew it, damn milkman strikes again!!!!

Hey ol hoss, by your logic, the 13th tribe would be the Cylons, right? You're hilarious dude. Spend some time talking to a rabbi about who is and isn't a Jew. Education is such a wonderful thing, especially when it's applied to an open mind.

Me, I'm from the 13th tribe... I love skinjobs

While in the main ol hoss is correct but there is one point that he has overlooked. Hebrews 7: 14 states that Jesus is of the line of Judah (Jewish) and not of the priestly line (Levi).

Maybe if you read it in context you would get the point. He (Christ) was a Priest after the order of Melchisedek. The point of the passage is perfection came, not by a tribe, but by Him. Your "indebtedness" is to Him (although He gave life freely), not "Jews".

Where to start.

Mary, the Mother of God, spent much of her early life in residence at the Temple of Solomon.

Christ preached that the World of God should not be the exclusive purview of the Jewish nation, but for all nations.

Christ was circumsized at eight days old.

At 40 days old, Jesus being the first-born, he was taken to the temple and consecrated to God, according to the Law of Moses.

No, he sure weren't no Jew, that's dern tootin'.

Suppose if some people had some knowledge of ancient Greek they would know Ioudaios (Jew) has more than one meaning. If I lived in Texas I'd be a Texan. No reference to lineage.

Keep dancin' hoss.

Gee, the Laws were given to Moses, a Levite. No dance there.

Jesus and his followers were Jewish. Christianity did not appear, full blown, out of nowhere: it's an offshoot of Judaism. (I find ol hoss's antipathy to Jewishness and Jews quite off putting. What kind of Christian denomination is he allied with, anyway? Certainly not an orthodox kind.)

Georgetown University is, IMO, derelict in its witness by acquiescing to Obama’s narcissistic and anti-Christian—hey, isn’t that discrimination?—request. A pox on both their houses.

Too many Christians have been too willing to turn the other cheek in situations where guts, not kowtowing, are required. I fear that it may be too late to turn the tide of the anti-Christian tsunami of barbarism that’s swamping the West.

Kyrie eleison.