Come Back, Bin Laden

What a disgrace.

Assuming the republicans can get their act together even a little bit, by 2010 there should be enough disillusioned Americans to reduce the democrat power in the House and Senate and permit some opposition to the Obama social streamroller.

As that propsect emerges, we can expect similar tactics to be used by the democrats and the Obama administration, and their supporters in the media, in the coming couple of years, as the wheels fall off the Obama love-bus and they become increasingly desperate to hang on to absolute unopposed power.

It gets lower every month. When I first seen those beat Obama IQ tests they where at 145, now 115,lol. Obama's Pride will hang him the next election.

I'm sorry, but becoming impossible to overstate what a treasonous plotter Obama is, or how emotionally retarded and short-sighted certain American news outlets are in their dumb, dumb infatuation.

Last week Obama's Attorney General, speaking in Europe, said the administration might cooperate with foreign courts who wish to investigate Bush administration officials; now ABC is blithely handing over names and knowledge of the US security apparatus, putting them right in the US' enemies' wheelhouse.

Does anyone in his administration have the proverbial lights on? What the hell's going on down there? This is a dangerous, sinister man, a grave national security threat who's pimping out the highest office for his own radical agenda. He's becoming public enemy number one. I mean, how bad does it have to get?

You can dress him up, but...

WAKE UP.

Hmmmm. In the linked article it's seen that in light of the fact that Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times, rather than once, as he had been led to believe, CIA officer John Kiriakou now believes he was tortured.

In other words, as head FBI interrogator Ali Soufan noted, Zubaydah was dealt with in the Al Queda way, rather than the American way.

Small wonder that Bin Laden is called on to wipe out ABC for making these facts known.

Waterboarded only 83 times?
AND during the Bush admin no attacks?
I'd say they did a great job.

That's right Idd

During the Bush administration there were no attacks.

Except for the little matter of 9-11 on which day 3000 people were killed by Bin Laden, the guy called on here to wipe out ABC for exposing the fact that America adopted the torture techniques of Al queda.

Heh heh, not too swift are you, bleat?

Waterboarded only 83 times?

Daniel Pearl only had his head cut off once....the terrorist are more efficient

There's a reason why idiots are volunteering to be waterboarded to show that it's "torture". It's significantly less painfully than electricity to the genitals, fingernail being ripped off or being thrown off the roof of a building with your hands cuffed behind your back....

You would think the Dems and their lemming like followers are simply determined to create an atmosphere ripe for civil war in the US.

Guess what Obamabots. Read the news about the sales of ammunition since your charismatic leader took office. Now, guess who is going to win in a civil war.

One excuse for revealing all to the Enemy is that Winston Churchill would not allow it in WWll (the big one). Not according to one book I read but whatever. However, Churchill was dealing with an enemy a magnitude of times less evil at their worst than we are today.
83 times? Say, isn't that once per virgin? Oh wait; there are only 72 virgins: oh well.

"Churchill was dealing with an enemy a magnitude of times less evil at their worst than we are today.".

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Errrrrm. What!?!?

Churchill's enemy was Hitler and the Nazi party. Please explain that statement further.

Doug, I'd say the only real winner in an American civil war will be China.

But yes, thank god for the second amendment. I've heard the NRA rhetoric about why it's important to bear arms, and I've admired the US constitution all my adult life. But I must confess that I never really understood at a gut level that these things were true and important even in our day and age.

Obama's last world tour says all you need to know:

Shakes hands with two socialist and one religious despot, and congratulates another (Castro).

Churchill had in detention over 200 Luftwaffe aircrew when he made that statement.

Not much point in torturing the Flugzeugfuhrer of an He-111 to reveal information that at the time was plainly obvious.'We have bombers based in France, we take off on sorties to knock out your airfields and infrastructure.Sometimes we scare the sh*t out of the pigeons on top of St Paul's cathedral whilst following the Thames to drop incendiaries on the docklands..what else would you like to know, herr interrogator?'

However, there are benefits in the application of force when your enemy is unknown, has no borders or recognized chain of command and does not wear a uniform.That and they pal with people who quite possibly could have access to nuclear weapons in the near future..

They should feel lucky if water boarding is used..it could be much worse, as demonstrated by them when they capture prisoners.As stated, there is no rest and recovery from decapitation.

It is easier to understand if you start thinking that an intelligence service functions much like an old time newspaper scandal sheet that only publishes one copy per day for a very select audience. Within the newsroom are factions that seek advancement using every dirty trick there is to weaken their rivals. In short, just business as usual like any government department with the added advantage of the "national security" trump card.

There is a series of talks on youtube that feature Uri Bezmenov (now Tomas Schuman). These
lectures/interviews were conducted some 25 years ago. The thing that gets me is that he says this is the plan and these are the expected outcomes (vs the fire doesn't melt steel thing).

Ex-KGB Uri Bezmenov On Ideological Indoctrination - Part 2

http://tinyurl.com/cmecye

Kursk,
I'm sorry to say that in Churchill's time, the enemy spoke a different language and lived in a different land.

This time, the enemy speaks the same language and lives in the same country and occupies two branches (soon to be ALL branches if you go and visit Drudge right now) of the US government.

For those of you who are all up in arms about being waterboarded "83" times, read the memos. The "83" refers to how many times water was poured on his head/face, not how many individual sessions said scumbag was subjected to.

In other words, one session of waterboarding in which they held him down and poured water on his face 10 times is being counted as 10 waterboardings.

People are getting so hysterical about this. Who cares that some piece of sh*t that wants to wipe out our civilization was waterboarded? Everything is on the table when dealing with terrorists. They should be tortured until we get as much information as we can, then taken out back and shot.

Doug, funny you should say that. All over Drudge right now, NPR has said that Justuce Suter of the Supreme Court of the USA has said he's going to retire.

Meaning The One can now start his stacking of the court.

Ain't this fun?!!! ~:D

bleet bleated: "America adopted the torture techniques of Al queda."

How to put this delicately? bleet my disinformed little friend, when Al Qaeda puts a drain in the torture room floor its not there to collect water.

There, I think I managed to avoid all the grossness possible. Yay me.

"Guess what Obamabots. Read the news about the sales of ammunition since your charismatic leader took office. Now, guess who is going to win in a civil war"-Doug

Ummm Doug....are you aware who is in charge of the US military? Want to think that through a little longer.
Lets see Doug and his buddies bunkered down with their rifles or a tank...good luck with your rebellion.

All I see is a bunch of cowards you neo cons are.
You guys wave the flag and praise the american way of life. But you are willing to throw the values in which our society stands for so you can feel a little safer.

Guess what neo cons right now the rubber is hitting the road and you guys are showing that you value yourselves more than what our nation stands for.

I would rather die in a terrorist attack than know that my nation threw away its principals that previous generations fought and died for.

We are a nation of values and beliefs but all I see is cowards and cant back up what they speak.

Someday when these Islamic radicals are defeated do you want the history books to have an asterics beside this era that says we ignored our values but at least people like Phantom,Kursk,RW,and Idd felt safer.

Next time you guys beat your chest and salute our society thank the people that were brave enough to believe in it even when it was not in the best interest of their safety.

PS-I would gladly put a bullet through any of the terrorists in battle but I would never torture.

What a tedious ninny. Have you ever read a single history book?

Please go away, you are so boring.

Hah, I found this on the page at the second link (on "spot"):

'Barack Osama' Printed on Hundreds of NY Absentee Ballots

LOL ... but Obama Sin Laden was elected president anyway.

sarge here well sarge guesses its easier to hope fer a civil war in someone elses country but yeah little nazis around these parts are a seditious bunch fer sure sarge would point out that them peeshooters people is buying hardly make dents in a stryker or m1 while that stryker or m1 will collapse every building on yer block in about a minute yer dreams that the army will take the sides of little anti democratic (thats anti democratic republicans fer you nit pikin nitwits) wakos like yerselves is laughable at best but still somewhat dangerous as the deluded always are

btw dougie yeah sarge has read a few books sarge would recomend this one to ya: Eye Witness To History its got lots of great civil war stories from all kinds of times and places listen boy them stories all got one thing in common lots of dead folks an at least one group of utter morons

ROC: these interrogation methods were thoroughly discussed and approved by elected members congress from both sides (including weasels like pelosi) the principles of American democracy are upheld. The US has nothing to apologize for.

We are at war. When at war nasty tactics need to justifiably are employed including torture and annihilation of civilian populations that support the enemy. The shining difference betweenus and them is that we ecg those who make those decisions on our behalf.

Our enemies have no such system - they are fascistic fanatics that we are endeavouring to exterminate not only for our benefit but also those who have been coerced to harbour and assist them.

Man the feeble minded never fail to display themselves as such.

Now why would we be talking about CIA torturing BEFORE 911?
...yeah.

And, if the Owe x3 says all that's bad for him now is Bush's fault, then 9/11 is Clinton's fault.

ecg = elect sorry for the typo.

And ROC how is shooting someone who wants to kill you less bad than torturing him? Which option do you think he would choose? Should we summarily shoot them rather than torture? Is that more humane?

Even the scumsucking nazis wore uniforms and didn't hide behind their woman and children or get the mentally challanged and/or ganged raped woman to do their dirty work.

Pouring water on their facec and they cry like babies...unreal.

Leftist forget recent history.

Romania versus United States
December, 1989 = ?
Nicholae Ceausescu = Barack Obama?
Elena Ceausescu definitely = Michelle Obama!
Ethnic Hungarians, who lit the fuse in Timisoara = Tea partiers, Republicans, libertarians?

Nicholae, in response to open rebellion in Timisoara (Tea parties?), holds speech in Bucharest ("press conference"?). Crowd of thousands shout him down.

Open rebellion breaks out. Army (U.S. armed forces) perform mass disobedience - ignore orders from Ceausescu - and side with demonstrators. The Securitate defend Ceausescu and help the presidential entourage hide from the Army and rebels. (You think the CIA will help Obama after he's finished with them?)

This is as far as I am prepared to go with this parallel scenario.

(Nicholae and Elena Ceausescu were shot December 25, 1989, after a 1-hour show trial nationally-broadcast on rebel-controlled "state" TV. The actual executions were off-camera - on-camera, two soldiers drained their AK clips into the wall behind the bodies.)

Right of Centre, you wrote that you would rather die than "know that my nation threw away its principals that previous generations fought and died for."

Good for you. Deeply honourable. You added, "I would gladly put a bullet through any of the terrorists in battle but I would never torture."

Okay, but that's YOU. Tell me how you'd react in this situation: your parents, or your grandparents or your wife and children, if you have them, have been kidnapped by Mr. X and buried not far from you, in an unknown location, in an airless underground cell. They have ten hours maximum before they die of anoxia.

You have, in your capture, a man who knows where they are, but he refuses to tell you.

Would you make efforts to find out where they are? What sort of efforts would you make before giving up?

"Romania versus United States
December, 1989 = ?
Nicholae Ceausescu = Barack Obama?
Elena Ceausescu definitely = Michelle Obama!
Ethnic Hungarians, who lit the fuse in Timisoara = Tea partiers, Republicans, libertarians?

Nicholae, in response to open rebellion in Timisoara (Tea parties?), holds speech in Bucharest ("press conference"?). Crowd of thousands shout him down.

Open rebellion breaks out. Army (U.S. armed forces) perform mass disobedience - ignore orders from Ceausescu - and side with demonstrators. The Securitate defend Ceausescu and help the presidential entourage hide from the Army and rebels. (You think the CIA will help Obama after he's finished with them?)

This is as far as I am prepared to go with this parallel scenario.

(Nicholae and Elena Ceausescu were shot December 25, 1989, after a 1-hour show trial nationally-broadcast on rebel-controlled "state" TV. The actual executions were off-camera - on-camera, two soldiers drained their AK clips into the wall behind the bodies.)

Posted by: jwkozak91"

sarge here wow says sarge
yer a nut but keep it comin its good fer ya to get it out

yer a nut but keep it comin its good fer ya to get it out

Posted by: sarge 6:15 AM

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yuppers sarge, yer right, the Russian arm DID (not) quell the up rising

now try reading sum history

There was lots of talk about Churchill above.

Keeping with that, we could dispense with all the talk about toruture if we just adopted one of his poilicies on war criminals as WWII neared its inevitable conclusion in Europe: should a unit capture a war criminal, hold a quick summary trial, even if the senior man present is a sargeant, and then shoot the man. Churchill fretted about the trials that he knew would follow and he was right.

What else is a terrorist who hides among us and wears no uniform?

Problem solved.

I fear it will get bloody and I am very sure the U.S. Army will turn there backs on the teleprompter in chief.

When I clicked on the 'spot link' it took awhile for me to get it and I was ROFLMAO. Good one 'Kate'.

Sorry about Yesterday 'EBD', I never read the bottom of post, just assumed that it was 'vit' posting.

kaga here kaga thinks sarge should start using punctuation and get a new schtick it's lame

Waterboarded 83 times? That's outrageous! Unacceptable!

I'd have thought they'd have waterboarded him far more often. Slackers.

Enemy soldiers, civilians and other people who operate under the normal order should be exempt from torture. Terrorists should be tortured as a matter of principle.

"right of center"

You have the right to your opinion. You don't have the right to force sepuku on all of society for your opinion. The rest of us who demand that the government does its primary duty of defence can ignore you. You may think the state's primary reason to exist is welfare and hopeychanginess but that is the leftards distraction from all the actual duties the state is now neglecting.

In the mean time, change your moniker. You are not right of anyone past jack layton.

Really we think ben laden got missed by army of West he is most entertainment to real find truth and as he grow up and seat in old time with Dick Cheny sold oil time with him and now try to fish him to not kill we are already here to kill too

Justice is not fun this is truth of each person and road they made you to go there

IF CIA in West ( Canada and Europe ) menas only used for a group or bunch was wakoo white English or European mentality who planed to directed their old hate full people to people for fun not for justice of crime to made civilized place safe for all not only for bunch of drunk play girl adulty gambelers addict

I will say "Thank you very much" as your king singer Elvis Prisly said

we are not intersted to work or cooperate with you

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use Ben Laden as a target to beat up Musim men and children and women in world for fun of Bush and any new comer Obama again to use Muslim land parties of gun and tunk not to arrest him

how come they arrest Sadam within a year and not Ben Laden who know he is alive still!!!!
How about start to know real truth of Sep 9/11 do not need to look for criminal too far in desert of Arab you can find bunch in USA army and CIA and pentagon for sure

we are not interested

If their intellegnet information news spys things are only used for keep some group safe ( not lable muslim for sure) and other goes to hell and trouble by made us liars while they lie add all charges one out then the rest is made up story charge for their own drunk hate

again we are not intersted
sorry guys

West made prestituate legalized and arrest
rapist and child pronography in jail while all are link

Government in West open alchole free to consue and cut druge dealer in jail while both are related person who are drink are sick people and loose their mind in time to time and do all strange act we saw in West sorry cut alchole if you agree drug is too ban alcohol like smoking too
then stop drinking alcohole if you smart

Government legalized all war but never take real person in charge on time in responsible and made innocent people in target of thier hate then stop wars

govenrment let women walk naked in law or half naked and ask to rapist go to jail whil all are linke together one will cause other to increased some men are weak and act weared before women
then stop let gay and lesbian and woman naked or magaine or all playboy magazine

made public safe in order to not stop car in red light if you face trafic light is not working cna not blame them

if you walk out of your home and go to public watch your mouth what you eat and drink and who to touch or since public is not place to allow illegal act to do and then stop them and put them in responsible later

IF made up subsidize poor is not to know those people are poor because of problems they have in social mentaliy or governmnt responsible to made black and immigrant isolated then do not put all charges to poor when they are hungry job are all taken by English original no matter what!!

like I am turture you because your Ben Laden torture us then both of you are sick to my eyes!!

We are not intersted before Canada and USA watch Ben Laden better to watch theri own inside country get safe and Muslim get united with west then go and get fish of war aboard for bring up emotion up to beat up Muslim in Canada
police in Canada are bunch of group who are made so many charges if you are Muslim

If Muslim women arrested with no criminla background nad get 8 criminal charges in one night kick ass of polic managers in Canda and replaced them to new one who tell Muslim women take shoes walk in dirty floor in cold to turture them and video tape them with no scarf for turture
and bunch of police in Toronto and 33 division are corrpted station we ever heard about them
sorry investigation need to do in police in Canda and USA first before look for big fish aboard

sorry guys we am not intersted in this subject any more this is more game fiction this is not reality attached to it we have more to fix in Canada police department and our socity now before care about Afagani and Arab and USA passion and old fun hate game look for dead already ben laden we all are bad they are innocent

"I would rather die in a terrorist attack than know that my nation threw away its principals that previous generations fought and died for."

Pure Bull Shit!

Sorry for not using #@$, but this is the biggest Bull Shit statement I've ever read. This guy knows damn well he's full of shit. He says he would allow an atrocity to uphold some ideal that is completely detached from reality; and in fact, an ideal that has never been applied by any nation. It’s that same BS ROC will use to argue “Iraq was an illegal war” or “POW’s need Miranda rights and speedy trials”. All of this is BS, POW’s have never been treated as domestic criminals and they are not entitled to that treatment; no law was broken when America invaded Iraq; and ROC can’t provide any example in history of any western country not using rough interrogation or torture(whatever you want to call it) and yet here we are, principles intact.

The bottom line: Getting our hands dirty when it’s absolutely necessary and hating every minute of it defines, western values.

oops bad grammer

The bottom line: Getting our hands dirty when it’s absolutely necessary, and hating every minute of it defines western values.

BTW

Not that I think it will happen, because I believe BO and Co prescribe to Spain's approach to preventing manmade disasters. If BO finds himself in a situation where he can save American lives on American soil, he will torture the crap out of the Mutha Fka himself, if he has to. Any reasonable human being in the same situation will do the same; American, Canadian, Iranian or French.

Okay, maybe the French are a bit of a stretch.

"The bottom line: Getting our hands dirty when it’s absolutely necessary, and hating every minute of it defines western values."

"If BO finds himself in a situation where he can save American lives on American soil, he will torture the crap out of the Mutha Fka himself, if he has to. Any reasonable human being in the same situation will do the same;"

Bingo. Very good points Homez and I fully agree. As President, it's his job to protect and secure the lives of US citizens. If he's not willing to get his hands dirty in those situations, then he's not doing his job.

Those values and principles ROC mentions are for American citizens and anyone else in the world willing to uphold them. But they're not reserved for terrorists.

One day, the world will not have to worry about the silliness of the Boomer generation anymore.

http://www.boomerdeathcounter.com

obama's iq is lower thanbin ladens and the bin boy has been dead for a number of years. maybe the same number as the big o's iq.