What Would We Do Without David Frum?

"Edwards also outlined his plan for the future and said that he would fight global poverty "until the day I die." "

One illegitimate child at a time...

I know it is not popular but David Frum may be correct.

Let's not be like the left that can only see our own point of view.

Can't the conservative tent be big enough to include fiscally conservative folks who do not buy the classic conservative social agenda? Can't we have gay conservatives that want small government and lower taxes? Can't we have an atheist conservative who wants god out of government and fiscal responsibility?

Must it only be that Christian conservatives (albeit the majority) have the only voice? If there is no place for the full range of conservative ideas then we are doomed to eternal liberalism.

What does the 'Breck Girl' know about poverty?
Perhaps some of those who care for his estate could give him a clue.

Frum states : "And of births to white women like Bristol Palin, who have not completed high school, almost 61% were out of wedlock.

And all of these rates continue to rise at a brisk pace."

I'm not really sure what Frum's point here is. I'm no raving social conservative but I am a father and my child loves having me around and responsible enough to take care of them. If that is a bad thing I am curious as to why? I don't think we should be encouraging teen pregnancy or that conservatives need to court the teenage pregnant demographic.

I do think encouraging fathers or parents to be responsible instead of the having the state fill in, is a worthwhile thing as well for both democrats and republicans including the demographics each serve...

Something wrong with that?

I posted a comment on the CBC's Your View section asking why is Sara Palin's parenting style under attack over a teenager getting pregnant but Jean Chretien's is not when his son comitted a sexual assult or some other type of violent crime. It was actually posted!

Pity the poor frumlet; locked out of obama land, not even close enough to catch a whiff of unicorn poop.
And what is his point? Are republicans supposed to head off to Alaska and stone the poor girl? Nobody is endorsing young single motherhood, but there is a difference between her situation and that of someone popping them out on purpose.
It's people like frum who are shrinking the tent by setting up what seem to be arbitrary philosophical differences. I don't hear any leading conservative thinkers claiming the religious wing is the only point of veiw. I'd say that's largely a democratic fiction, spread by people like frum.

Kev, the unfortunate difference is that Palin is a wonderful example of how a strong conservative woman can gain power while still holding to conservative values. She's not a feminist who made it to the highest office in Alaska thanks to the power to the women movements, but rather she made it there thanks to her own merits and hard work. Because of that, she's fair game, and sadly, so are her children (I recall Rosie O'Donnell had some horribly rude names to call Bristol, but no one called her on it cause well, she's Rosie O'Donnell).
Cretien on the other hand, is a liberal, and therefore no matter what he does, his sins will be absolved. It doesnt matter what his kids did, because he is a liberal, it will not reflect negatively on him as a parent because well, he's above all that.

Its the joy of the double standard.

Robert, do you listen to Rush? He is not anti Gay, I think he is actually socially liberal, and he doesn't hide it. He just doesn't hate social conservatives. Kind of like me. I don't think I have ever heard Rush mention attending church, unless it was a wedding or a funeral, for one thing.

I was looking at an old Newsweek in the Dr's office, and they described the Palin daughter as having "spawned" This is dehumanizing rhetoric, and if Frum is not willing to stand up against it, and instead piles on, I can't see a good reason to read a word he says, or consider any of his ideas.

David Frum is nothing more then a shill for the Obama/Democrat campaign.

Frum is so played. What business is it of his whether Bristol Palin gets married?

I've got an idea!

Lets look into David Frum's life, his wife and children. If we find anything funny going on, lets blog about it for months.

What do you think David?

Meh. The real bigotry (outside of actual bigots, 'course) is perpetrated by those (like Frum) who refuse to look past the bible punchers and senior citizens. If they did, they'd see that the big tent is already chock full o' different types of conservatives, from socials to fiscals to libertarians, and involve every sexual preference, religious, race and economic strata.

Bristol Palin is surely not the first governors daughter to get pregnant but she may be the first since Row vs. Wade not to quietly sacrifice her child on the alter of politics. For this she is condemned by the left. Her choice was not convenient, it was made for the love of life.

"Can't we have gay conservatives that want small government and lower taxes? Can't we have an atheist conservative who wants god out of government and fiscal responsibility?"

Robert

If I recall correctly, there are quite a few "gay conservatives" that comment here, and not one complaint regarding how conservatives treat gays unjustly. I myself am an "atheist conservative" and I have NEVER felt any pressure to change my views, nor felt alienated under the conservative tent.

The "conservative tent" is the only tent that allows a diverse set of views. For example, try being a BC Dipper and pose on the front of a gun magazine or try and be a pro-life liberal; then, you can see what Dipper/liberal tolerance is all about.

"Can't the conservative tent be big enough to include fiscally conservative folks who do not buy the classic conservative social agenda?"

This is a classic example of a liberal under the guise of a "I'm a conservative but..." defining what conservatives are. I reject this statement, it's BS. I suspect you(Robert) were one of the so called "conservatives" saying that PMSH should resign during "coup scam", but I doubt you'll admit it.

What you are really suggesting is conservatives be more like liberals; which, makes your motives suspect. We don't want the "I'm a conservative but..." crowd telling us how to think.

some of my best friends are conservatives.

Frum is acting no differently than a liberal. So why does he call himself a conservative??

Oh, I get it! He's one of those Joke Clark conservatives. Yep. The kind liberals like because they are easily tricked and beaten. Those kind of "conservatives", we don't need.

Indiana on one hand you seem to suggest that conservatism does not criticize those that are not socially conservative but retain other conservative values then on the other you claim if you are not a conservative if you don't have conservative social values. Which is it?

Liberalism is killing the West, you can be gay and an atheist to understand this.

I am a huge fan and supporter of Stephen Harper. I am an atheist father of 7 and member of the army reserve. So you see I don't fit in narrow descriptions of what a conservative looks like. So if you allow only one voice to represent conservatism you are pushing potential supporters away.

Sarah Palin's daughter and what she is or isn't doing/whatever isn't news, period. The fact that this Frum idiot finds enough innuendos to try and write a National Inquirer style column proves the point. The media doesn't know when to quit anymore or for that matter, what to "investigate". Trying to equate the engagement as a political stunt is nothing more than cheap theatrics from a leftoid hack who has the audacity to call himself conservative.

Mr Frum, the fact that two teenagers think they are in love or are in love and fall into the baby thing is neither new nor is it an elaborate plan. Youth, hormones and emotions always make for interesting times. Hell, I remember those days and they are over forty years back. Trying to make political hay is pretty low, even for a "journalist".

btw, Where in heaven's name does Robert figure he can jump on the religion anti-gay, etc., bandwagon? Pssst, there are gay conservatives, vegetarian conservatives, conservatives of visible minorities, even conservatives who are bastards in the legal definition. Please don't try to pigeon hole a person of conservative principles with your stereotype.

Frum is a hypocrite. In the last election he was on the campaign team of 3 time married philandering Rudy Guiliani whose personal life is so bad his own kids wouldn't even support him. Now Frum criticizes private citizen Rush for his personal lifestyle while lauding former coke head marijuana using and current smoker Obozo as some kind of roll model. Is everyone who gets an Ivy league education this stupid?

David Frum is the result of a birth gone wrong to an out work university professor with the clap!

"Edwards also outlined his plan for the future and said that he would fight global poverty "until the day I die."

How noble of Mr.Edwards. I, too, shall fight global poverty, ignorance, and injustice, until the day I die. We're both such heroes.

Just don't ask us to PROVE that we actually did something.

Palin's children would be off limits if the MSM had any semblance of maturity,now the great Presidential Campaign is over.

I guess backbiting just comes naturally to some of them.

I don't know who David Frum has met but conservatives tend to have a very real idea of the world; they just don't like it. Not to be mean about anything but single mothers, particularly those with a high school education at best, don't fare as well as two educated parents with jobs. What's to like about this situation? Maybe Bristol Palin will pass over that hump. Maybe.

A kernal of wisdom from an old cmapaigner....some of the most gangerously vindictive and self destructive people I have known were not these demented lefty fanatics or lock step partisan droid, but those who "posed" as conservatives and thought they could "bring change from within".

Nearly always this resulted in factional infighting and a weakened conservative movement.

Frum is a judas goat...he rightfully should be in the DNC with his revisionist-elitist ideas about conservatism.

the political 'divide' is simply about whether you plump for lower taxes as a result of smaller government(with all that implies)or you don't....

...whether you have faith in people as resilient resourceful masters of their fate or you don't...

all the rest is politics.....and of course the truly free joyous but bittersweet human condition such as it is today and always was and always will be eventually trumps any amount of political acrobatic double jointed posturing....

simply put a good number of citoyens wish to be cossetted coddled and have their bums wiped....the balance are the ones that fight just wars believing in longitudinal improvement history and the true evaluation of human nature.....those that accept the fact we(and THEM) have the teeth of wild animals...

Frum learned well from mommy, Barbie, when not helping Knowlton the dolton, Nash bottle Peeairs flatulance,she sucked up to every other smelly lieberal in Ottawa through 68 to 84, then their utopia fell apart with that wascal Mulroneys election. Frum is a quasi useful idiot who wrote one speech and now life has passed him by, he probably lost a bundle of mommys money to Madoff, and he will write anything to be noticed. Kind of like the fat girl wearing tight clothes in high school. Find a redeeming job David.

Don't be too hard on David. Now that he no
longer can get a good job with a political party in the States, he is obviously auditioning for a job with the Liberal party.

There is no whore like a journalistic whore.

Indiana Homez and Texas Canuck I think you are reading to much into what Robert says.
I don't necessarly agree with all he says, especially with regards to Frum and Harper, but I don't see him as gay bashing.
I don't know how you put a label on someone as to con lib NDP Com. As I understand it guy's like Kruchef (the guy that banged his shoe on the desk at the UN - Early 60's) Putkin (no idea how to spell their names) are considered ultra conservative.
I don't know to lable someone including myself by party line.
My older sister calls me consertavive and as she's really old, she must be right.
I embarringly admit that I twice voted liberal. Once for L balless Pearson and once for scuzzy trudeau. These where as much votes against deff the thief and I soon came to my senses.
I have no use for harper as I consider him a typical politician and write him off with Deff Pearson turd Malrooney Cretchen Martin.
How do you square an athiest who thinks the two most beautifull sounds in the world are children laughing and children crying and yet believes in abortion on demand (as long as thoes who want it pay for it) and thinks that government is the biggest terorist group in Canada.
Sorry to be so long-winded but I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree.

The definition of a Conservative in Canada is different than the US, well frankly they are more Gawd fearing than we Cons in Canada are.

I'm conservative and support Gay same sex unions, and gasp the right to abortions with restrictions and limits. I'd be shunned by the Rep. in the US, Canadian Conservatives are more like Classical Liberals. Freedom, liberty and individual rights are important to us. I am a Christian and I do not believe I have the right to force my beliefs onto Canadians politically or socially. I like Frumm sometimes, but not always.

I posted a comment on the CBC's Your View section asking why is Sara Palin's parenting style under attack over a teenager getting pregnant but Jean Chretien's is not when his son comitted a sexual assult or some other type of violent crime. It was actually posted!

Barrack Obamas Mum was pregnant at the same age and out of wedlock as Palins daughter, something he didnt campaigne on , but the MSM didnt bother to mention either. certainly CBCpravda didnt find it reportably ironic.

Frum's career is like a shooting star - one big flash and it will be gone. His decent into tabloid journalism is proof that he's about to flame out.

Since he has nothing intelligent to contribute, I never read his articles. I don't read tabloids either.

bartinsky....

don't matter to me if Rudy was married 16 times....nor does it matter if his children place themselves before the greater good.....

The way I see it, is that Frum is politely saying Palin is the Queen of the "downscale" social conservative, but even her own daughter is out getting knocked up in high school. These aren't your button down, do your homework, do your chores, do the right thing traditional conservatives of old.

Sure, it's a f*ck-up, could happen to anybody,including a big shot liberal like Edwards. But that's not the point of what Frum is saying. He's saying the blue collar, old school traditional Republican is vanishing. The young ones are out smoking dope and getting laid without birth control. They might have Rush on the radio, and a Palin bumper sticker, but so what? It's the professional, urban, liberals whose daughters are getting a good education and not getting pregnant until they are 30.

Isn't personal responsibility a cornerstone of conservatism? Back in the day, my late mother, made it very clear that my sisters weren't to home knocked up at 17. The people that jeer Frum are probably the same ones who cheer Ann Coulter for saying single motherhood is the #1 cause of social ills.

Despite others trying to blur the argument with "I'm a conservative but..." statements, there are no differences in true conservatism. It's a big tent as has been said before. Many people from various walks of life consider themselves true conservatives, but what does not vary is the core principles we all hold.

People that argue that there are American conservatives and Canadian conservatives have not completely come out of the political closet yet and embraced their progressive (see statist) beliefs.

We spend so much damn time defining ourselves and nitpicking as somehow different than Americans that we never accept the fact that we aren't any different. Conservatism as far as a philosophical point of view has no borders. You either believe in God given right to liberty and freedom, personal responsibility, limited government, your country's founding principles (see moral code) or you do not. Period.

As far as Benedict Arnold Frum concerned, he is showing his true colors, his retention of the guise of conservatism is only hurting the movement.

"Must it only be that Christian conservatives (albeit the majority) have the only voice?"

Somebody is very very confused about what Frum is saying.

"I'm conservative and support Gay same sex unions, and gasp the right to abortions with restrictions and limits. I'd be shunned by the Rep. in the US, Canadian Conservatives are more like Classical Liberals"

Boy, the world is overrun with people who don't have the foggiest idea what it was that the "classical liberals" believed. Many of them would have had you locked up if they heard you proposing "gay unions" and abortion. Eighteenth and nineteenth century Britian is often considered the Golden Age of classical liberalism. And homosexuality was a crime in it, never mind same sex marriage.

Pick a different name for your beliefs and leave the poor Victorian gentlemen in peace.

David Frum went on the CBC the other night to scold Rush. The CBC is the bottom of the barrel which represents the direction his conservative principles have gone.