I've read this thing three times and I still don't get it. The only part that "fits" is that it's happening in Toronto;
The city is giving $100 pre-paid Visa cards to people who agree to pretend they're homeless when Toronto conducts its needs assessment of those without shelter.
In an e-mail sent out last week to different social agencies and individuals, city employee Monica Waldman said they are looking for "tons" of people to sign up to be "decoys" on April 15, the night scheduled for the city's second homeless head count.
"Decoys are essentially 'faux' homeless people for quality assurance purposes in this research," she wrote. "As a decoy, you would need to come to a 30-minute training session and then be deployed to various sites throughout the city where you will wait to be approached by the research volunteers."
h/t Russell H.
Only in toronto,iwonder what mcsqinty and his libtards got to say about this?
Hold the phone... doesn't that amount to fraud or am I just not keeping up with the "changing" times?
They are trying to make sure the research volunteers are actually talking to the "homeless" and taking an accurate count.
Plus maybe padding the numbers a little, to squeeze some more dough out of Queens Park and Ottawa. Hey its Mayor Dave's clown circus, I expect the worst.
Fake homeless, getting the answers you want to hear.
why not hand out $50 gift cards to have homeless people fill out the form twice?
Same effect, half the cost.
It is called fraud.
You got it right the second time, Phandumb.
You signing up, Loser?
LOL!
I like it. It's quality control. The paid guys answer the questions but they know who was interviewed. They can track back the paid guys and see how they turned up in the answers. Think, people to check on Acorn. The people that like to control the story to get the funding have to defend their answers when the funders know what the answers are. Keeps track of double counts etc. It should make the system more efficient and hopefully effective.
It would be for quality control, to ensure that the count was being actually done.
Example, "George, you hange around Bloor and Jarvis. If the person assigned to cover the Bloor and Jarvis doesnt find you then we know we have undercounted"
That being said, honestly is this really necessary that they ned these kinds of double checks on the counters....why dont they spend the extra time training the counters properly.
Oh let me guess they are using hieless people to do the counting and they dont trust their numbers because...they are like...homeless people, and not completely "all there".
Perhaps we can get Shaidle (who lives in Toronto) to do a series ... "Talking to the Homeless" in the same vein as Mercer's talking to Americans.
This is an Acorn move ... Are they in Canada now?
From the article in the link: "'But the homeless head count is the only clear way to grasp what services are needed by the homeless,' said SNA [Street Needs Assessment] program manager Patricia Anderson."
How can a genuine assessment be made, with "tons" of faux homeless people flooding Toronto streets?
A genuine assessment, obviously, can't be made, and I suspect that that's OK with those who are engineering the flooding of Toronto streets with faux homeless people the day of the assessment. Their inflated, socially engineered stats will be sent to the federal government with a demand for federal dollars to support "all" of these poor street people in Toronto -- and Toronto taxpayers will be hit twice through our federal tax dollars assisting "all" of the Toronto homeless and through the $100 pre-paid VISA cards given to each fake street person willing to lie to be a part of this assessment.
Who do I write to scream bloody murder? Toronto, the Fraud Capital.
Maybe they could give those visas to the real homeless,it would make some sense then.
I would love to show up to this event in my Armani suit and Gucci shoes just to receive my $100 and see the look on their faces.
Correction to my above post: Toronto taxpayers will have to fork out THREE times: to pay for the $100-VISA cards and then through their provincial and federal taxes.
NO THANKS.
I'm from Toronto and have seen the homeless industry take shape under Miller.
I've watched smiling City Counsellor Adam Vaughn paying Millions of taxpayer dollars for a new homeless shelter in prime real estate downtown for what used to be a upscale nightclub.
I've seen smiling Sandra Bussin muscle an out of the cold program sleep over and meal program through in a family, residential neighbourhood where streetcar tokens were proposed to be given to homeless in other parts of the city to bring them in.
I've seem MILLIONS of dollars spent on this and the left's anti poverty industry.
I'm sick and tired of it.
Stupid, and a waste of the taxpayers' money.
Also makes me think of Jean Chretien... he, after all, of the imaginary homeless friend... he could've paid some dumbass to pretend to be the guy he claimed he sees all the time... why didn't Warren K. think of that when he was the Cretch's problem solver? Not stupid enough, I guess... but he's getting there.
Acorn is in Canada now and this sounds VERY ACORNISH!
It could be a statistical technique. It's rather like this: you want to know how many trout are in a lake. Obviously, you can't count every trout in the entire lake. So, you catch, say, a hundred trout from the lake with a net. You tag them. You return them to the lake. A week later you cast your net again. Say you catch another hundred trout, three of which show the tags. You extrapolate that the hundred tagged trout represent three percent of the trout population, because they're three percent of your sample.
Similarly, you seed your sample with known decoys. Suppose only half of the decoys get interviewed. You then extrapolate that your homeless count is off by half. You inflate your numbers, and you get more money.
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the short answer is... it solves homelessness,
like "banning olympic target shooting"
solves street thuggery... which is, btw...
yet another david miller brainwave.
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Tom Pain ... well, maybe ...
I first saw this in 'reader's tips' about 3 hours ago.Maz2 had it BTW. Anyways,after thinking it through,the only reason thatI can figure for doing this,is to check up on the counters.The trout analogy above by Thomasina's Paine son may be the reason,but that requires a lot of squinting to see it fit. It is either a scam or a very poorly written and/or researched article. What happens when a homeless person volunteers to participate because he really needs the 100 bucks? Is he a real homey or is he a control homey,or can he shift-shape between the real world and the alternate world depending on,well whatever he fancies at the time... Toronto may be a science experiment gone horribly wrong.
Well, tons of volunteers...that is only 20 people assuming 200 lb/volunteer.
But 200lb homeless people would stick out like a sore thumb, so we must be looking at 30-40 volunteers.
Of course they never specified how many tons of volunteers they are recruiting...no upper limit.
Pfffft ... $100 pre-paid Visa cards?
The best fake Toronto homeless person was the Shaky Lady. Nothing will top her.
From the article: "Decoys are instructed to stay in character and answer the survey questions."
They don't tell us how the decoys will be accounted for in the tabulation of the results - if the decoys are to stay in character, will the survey taker know that the person is a decoy? What we don't know about the process opens all sorts of opportunities to play with the numbers. Wish I could do that with my enrollment counts.
Aside from moral issues and the fallout from possibly being seen charading as a homeless person, I am trying to figure out the salary one must earn in order to not want to participate.
I expect it'd cost you 3-4 hours (if you live downtown, maybe only 2 hours)to "earn" the card. So if you're earning less than $25/hr, this is a good deal.
Of course, if the city really wanted a good turnout, they'd offer a carton of cigarettes instead of a $100 Visa card, haven't met a homeless person who'd turn down a free smoke.
Next week is "Single mom" imposter week, sponsored by Jack and Olivia. Get a free baby carrier for your bike, and a mickey of CC for your nerves!
CUPE will try and organize them so that next year they can have their worker's rights protected.
And hate Jews, its a twofer.
This exercise seems a bit like counting the Polar Bear population,
They are not usually in the same spot the following year.
If you contacted all the support agencies in the area and asked them for an estimate added up all their estimates and added 20%-30% for good measure wouldn't that be a better way of guessing.
The more I think about this the more I feel a Monte Python sketch coming on
Homeless fraud for social service monies by stealth bureaucrats. Ontario is finished. When there more concerned with sex perverts, the drunks & Junkies without a slight nod to the mad. We know by this its just red herring.
Perhaps someone should go underground as a decoy in the Liberal Party to count there members?
JMO
A fake mayor using fake homeless people to suck real money out the pockets of real people working at real jobs.
Sounds like its Miller time.
I read it twice and I still don't know what to make of it.
Other than the fact (as you indeed stated) it is in Toronto, it makes no sense whatsoever to anyone but socialist city hall moonbats.
all together now...FRAUD!!! Put them all in jail, what a bunch of scumbags.
Wait for the headline:
"Homeless in Canadian cities nore bigger than thought" and the subheadline ...
"A survey in Toronto of the homelss revealed a gazillion more $100 Visa refugees than anticipated"
It is understood that the reality and enormity of this situation was made clear only by a new "homeless people awareness promotion" program.
OK I have two more things to add.
1) I have worked on the Canadian Census several times, in different roles. We did not pay people to fake census reports to track down failings. These surveys have been worked on intelligently for several hundred years in Canada, and are reliable. There are other means of QA.
2) You pay people to distort a census, as this is what they are doing, to do just that, distort a census. It IS fraud.
wait a minute . . . . this smacks of Tricky Dicky Warman and the Canadian Human Rights violators club . . . maybe they have a consulting gig with the socialist horde currently ruining Toronto ??
Any Warman sightings around Toronto city Hall recently ?
"This is an Acorn move ... Are they in Canada now?"
Indeed they are and they've got nice shiny red jackets to prove it.
ACORN is established in Vancouver and is promoting rent control. We tried that scheme in the 70's and the result was disasterous. Take away the incentive for landlords to produce low cost rental housing and the result is.... less low cost rental housing.
ACORN will have the answer to a housing shortage and increase rents though. They're called rent subsidies.
Dear TaxPayer;
Please heed Mother Expert. We don't wish to have to pick youse up offen the streets.
Signed,
Homeles$$ in TO.
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"Take it easy with the snow shovelling, advise experts
CBC.ca - 1 hour ago"
The Monkeys have taken over the Zoo
The surprise here is not the lack of morals or shame in their fraud, but in the brazen openness and lack of fear.
This will also allow Toronto to determine the diversity quotient among the homeless and make adjustments to immigration to even up numbers.
This topic, and the reason behind it, is nuts. The Toronto Star floats the story every so often that there’s a homeless “crisis” in the city. Depending on who writes the story, the number varies between 10,000 and 20,000, which too is nuts: big as the city is, the homeless tend to collect in the downtown core, so at 10-20K they’d litter the sidewalks of that area. But they don’t. Because they don't exist in numbers anywhere close to those figures.
The "5,052 homeless people living on the streets and in shelters across the city" cited in the story is a deception. I don't remember the details of the 4/06 count, but fewer than 600 (out of population of nearly 3,000,000) were actually on the street that night - this number was arbitrarily inflated by the count's organizers because they felt it "couldn't possibly be so low". Approximately 2,400 were in shelters (shelter capacity is 4,000). A good chunk of the remaining 2,000 (aside from the artificially inflated “count” addition contrived by the organizers) were Toronto residents of “no fixed address” living in the province’s penal institutions.
The do-gooders will not rest until they can figure out a way to close the gap between 5K and at least 10K. In their spare time they regulate street vendors, telling what food they can sell and where they can sell it. Meanwhile, nobody fixes the f*cking roads.
Yes, only in Toronto. Miller has only one agenda -to raise money, money, money. Because all work done in Toronto is controlled by the union and unions are not capitalist; they aren't competitive; their costs can be tens of thousands more than a competitive bid.
But Miller relies on his union supporters to keep him and his henchmen Councillors in power. The unions fund them and also, carry out much of the work during the elections - canvassing, signs, etc.
I've sent a letter of complaint to City Hall, which will result in the usual non-answer.
As ET points out, Miller either dissembles in answering questions or doesn't bother to anwser them at all.
What a poseur. What a phony. What a disaster.
WTF !!!!!
I've read this thing three times and I still don't get it.
This sounds like James Hansen/Mann science/math to me
Obama used fake voters paid by ACORN,
and Toronto uses paid fake homeless "decoys"
We are in a new era, where fraud done in the name of liberalism/socialism is considered honorable, you know kind of like a certain "culture" considers killing a disobedient female member an honour?
Welcome to the new dark age.
Want it to be even darker faster?
Vote Liberal!!!
What's wrong with giving money to people who pretend to do work for you?
Picky, picky, picky.
wonder if I can sign up in 1/2 a dozen locations and call in sick just before the dinner bell, 600 smackeroos for callin in sick??????
just have to luv this lieberal think
I once heard that there are more people involved in the Cancer industry (fundraising, treatment, research, etc) than there are people with cancer - not sure if its true. But I'd be willing to bet my last dollar that there are way more people in the caring for the homeless industry than there are homeless people.
In a booming economy with record low unemployment here in BC the number of homeless went up every year by 25% as did food bank usage. Every level of government has people working on it as well as more care agencies than you shake a stick at. If we ever take all the homeless and move them into the empty overbuilt housing stock in the USA there would a lot of unemployed social workers in Canada.
Okay, let's suppose I've just been laid off from my job in T.O. and I could use $100. I sign up, take the 30 minutes training and then ... go home to bed. I wasn't counted? Hey, I was out there -- those slackers missed me.
What's to stop a bunch of people from doing just that?
So, will the input of fake data result in the construction of Potemkin shelters?
Taxation for fake representation.
Miller's a crook.