Relax. It Was Probably Just A Dry Run.

It is not unusual in a place as big as Trawna to see and hear people only loosely connected to reality howling oaths and incantations in public. If he had been a real terrorist, "Allahu Ackbar" would have been immediately followed by an explosion or gunfire.

Ah, yes. The fear that breeds when the three sets (jews, muslims, and christians) of Abraham's children continue their eternal battle over who actually got it right.

They're never going to stop fighting - all three of them have been at each other's throats since, well, forever.

Thank God for Abraham, eh? Guess we are just going to have to learn to live with Abraham's children - all three groups of them. Want to fix it? Go to the root.

But I digress - this man may just simply be insane. And religious. That doesn't happen often, does it?

Yep JDM. But Wendy is still a doof for hanging around for 15 minutes and taking his picture. Stay away from the bears

Allah Akbar is not necessarily followed by gunfire...as seen in this lovely subway ride:

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=6378918

ahhhhhhh no worries. He was likely just fasting and his blood sugar level was a bit off.

He'll be right after a few good stiff drinks.

As a daily TTC subway rider, let me remind all that the 3rd rail carries more than enough voltage to nip this sort of thing mid-Akbar.

The West's secret weapon against 6th century ranting, misogynist cretins: cud-chewing bureaucrats. The fellow in question probably failed to obtain a "Permit to Commit Terrorism", having given up in disgust when his number was skipped.

Boy I'm glad they weren't around on our grade eight trip to Toronto years ago when a bum jumped out of the shadows, and our teacher beat him with his briefcase, and the cops where there instantly and loaded up the bum - that was that.

What can I say the progressives where just at the spoiling stage of their life back then.

maybe someone should shove the akbar up his a**.

JMD; I don't know why you'd assume that Allahu Akbar would be immediately followed by detonation. Why wouldn't a Islamofascist nutjob, with a bomb strapped around him and his finger firmly on the button, take the time to harangue the infidels with his reason for sending them to meet their makers?

Personal safety in public places requires vigilance - I would have been very disturbed if this incident had occurred within my personal comfort zone. Whether this man was mentally ill, a jihadist or driven by alcholol/drugs, this is no joking matter. If the woman felt threatened she was threatened. That's primordial - you know this instinctively (at the very basic level of your genes) if there is a possibility of grave danger.

Psych oh, not all of Abraham's children took up a call to arms to one day enforce a world wide caliphate, in which you or your children will serve as slaves.

Only one did.

Care to guess who?

"Psych oh, not all of Abraham's children took up a call to arms to one day enforce a world wide caliphate, in which you or your children will serve as slaves."

Islam obviously.

But that doesn't explain the early Jewish violence towards Christians or the more recent Christian violence against the Jews (current alliance of convenience against Islam notwithstanding).

I m telling you man - this is how it will always be in the world of Abraham's children. The Jews were violent against Christians before Islam came along. And Christians more than returned the favor.

The violence will continue. Always. One religion has become more dangerous than the others. Finish it off. You're doing me a favor, really. I expect the other two will be at loggerheads the moment the third threat disappears. Such is the world of Abraham's children.

The real story isn't the guy, really. He is most likely mentally ill, very very much less likely a dry run op guy.

The *real* story is that the TTC has no strategy for dealing with a situation like this, according to the article.

That is what people should get a bit nervous about.

Putting "6th Century" in front of "Mohammedan" is redundant. You lose 2 points for bad grammar.

"you dirty racist!"

The beauty we white folks have is that we are racist no matter what we do or say, see Kate's earlier post. So have at it.. or don't. It doesn't matter. Calling me a racist is no worse than calling me male, or berating me for the color of my eyes. I can't change it. What a waste of breath.

Good point Erik...so this was possibly a test..
Oh no...there I go sounding paranoid, eh?

balby is throwing in his usual Christian=Islam snipes on Wendy's blog, because Wendy is ,of course racist and paranoid, because balby sez so.
Yet balby and his ilk would be so proud of Scott Reid of Liberal beer and popcorn fame, ranting on a TSN hockey talk show that expressions of joy by NHL hockey players 'should-not-be-allowed.'
Ban hockey hotdogs hoots, but don't be afraid of someonse screaming Allahu Akbar on the subway...?
Liberalism is a mental disorder

and here I thought their hollered allen at the bar, and it was a call to drink:-)))))

and my skin is rather light in tone, thusly I are racist:-)))))

It may not be racist, but it certainly is bigoted. Anyone who's ever walked by the Eatons center has probably seen the cracked-out Christian fundie who stands on the corner and screams about Jesus, yet I've never heard anyone accuse him of terrorism.

In fact, a couple years back, I was standing beside that Christian fundie, making fun of him by yelling "ALLAHU ACKBAR!", "PRAISE ALLAH!", and "THE PATH TO SALVATION IS THROUGH MOHAMMED!" at the top of my lungs. And, for some reason, nobody seemed to mistake me for a terrorist, either. Might have had something to do with the blonde crew-cut hair and blue eyes.

A dry run perhaps to see what would happen on the big day? That's what they did in England, oh well security seem to show up after the event the city is safe.

I got a lesson on current Rules Of Engagement...by a coupla SAS types (the real thing).
Scenario---advancing down a street with a local interpreter when a sniper kills the local....if you return fire---you have committed a war crime because you could not IDENTIFY the sniper...in a court of law....approved procedure---withdraw (run away)
Scenario---a rioter charges you and your associates with a grenade in his hand....if you shoot hime you have committed a war crime because he hadn't thrown it....murder........approved procedure---withdraw (run away)
Scenario---a rioter charges you and your associates with a grenade in his hand and throws it....if you shoot hime you have committed a war crime because after he has thrown the grenade he no longer represents a threat--the grenade does....murder.........approved procedure---withdraw (run away)
I enquired how well they implemented these Rules....they just grinned and declared they don't run away.....and the UN observer dies of his wounds.....

Oh goodie! A psycho troll spouting pseudo poetic nonsense! Love it! Sons of Abraham? Didn't they open for CSN one year?
The straw man attack upon "Christian fundies" is rich too. Yeah they're doing a lot of shooting up major cities and executing infidels on Youtube alright. Can't you even find a Crusades angle there bolly?

Posted by: sasquatch at March 26, 2009 6:25 PM

ROE's vary from situation to situation. In a hostile environment, the ROE's would usually be relaxed enough to allow you to shoot someone who is obviously preparing to throw a grenade.

The only time I've seen such restrictive ROE's was during domestic ops - for instance, when we were on standby for Y2K, one of the examples brought up was a rioter with a molotof cocktail. Obviously during domestic operations, we try to avoid killing people unless it's completely unavoidable. It's different when you're at war. I don't know what the SAS ROE's are for Afghanistan and Iraq, but I'd be very surprised if they were that restrictive.

Alex at 6:00 P.M.

Well, the passers-by obviously saw you in juxtaposition to the crazy fundie, and correctly concluded that you were mocking him. People aren't all as stupid as leftists like yourself wish them to be.

But we humans have evolved to make use of our personal experience, and experiences acquired vicariously through print media and television, to form criteria for judging new situations in which we find ourselves.

Our experience has shown us that the bearded guy on the corner, ranting about Jesus, and toting a sign proclaiming the imminent end of the world is most likely a harmless crank. So overwhelmingly likely, in fact, that such characters are staples in humorous cartoon panels.

Our experience has also shown us that a significant number of persons who jumped up in a public place and hollered out "Allahu Akbar" followed up that outburst with some sort of concrete action, such as pressing the detonator button on a bomb vest, or cutting the throat of a flight attendant with a box cutter. There is a pretty fair number of verified instances of such things happening in recent years, and a pretty impressive body count of innocent victims to go along with it.

So, for somebody armed with that cultural knowledge of proven past behaviour of some persons who scream "Allahu Akbar" in public places, a degree of apprehension is not at all out of place.

In this particular instance, as time went on, and the individual in question did not self-detonate, or otherwise attempt to assault anyone, onlookers would probably be correct in assuming that he is merely a deranged person off his medication, and not a jihadi on a mission. But he has made clear where his allegiances lie.

With a genuine jihadi, by the time you hear the "Allahu Ackbar", it's probably too late to do anything, unless you already have a bead drawn on the f*cker.

"The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete."

Wafa Sultan

I like being pseudo poetic. Its called freedom of speech. So sue me.

What straw man attack? I am not equating the three groups of Abraham's children. One is nicer than the other and so on and so forth. Unfortunatly, the simple truth is that they possess three different versions of the 'truth' and all three groups have shown a profound readiness to be violent against the other in the name of this truth.

I think nearly 2 millenia of Jewish violence against Christianity, Christian Violence agaisnt jews, and Muslim violence against both tells us one very simple lesson. They don't like each other. Does that make them equal? No.

But even though one may be superior to the other in its attitude towards the others, the outcome is always going to be the same. More hostility. More violence. Such is life.

Thank God for Abraham. Where would we be without him?

Posted by: gordinkneehill at March 26, 2009 6:42 PM

I saw this bit:

"Well, the passers-by obviously saw you in juxtaposition to the crazy fundie, and correctly concluded that you were mocking him."

And I thought ... yeah, that's a good point. This guy's pretty smart.

Then I saw this part:

"People aren't all as stupid as leftists like yourself wish them to be."

And thought ... heh ... this guy's an idiot.

"Throw MoMo from the train"!

The bottom line is that the man is more than likely mentally ill.

Vincent Li shouldn't have been allowed into the country and neither should this tool.

Once again Immigration Canada puts the public at risk.

Believe me, this is the tip of the tip of the iceberg.

Sue you? I prefer to mock. It's called freedom of screech. Islam is a religion like communism is an economic system incidentally.

Thanks Harry for the words from Wafa Sultan.
And for the sake of those here who would be quick to call her paranoid racist, she was born and raised in the ME, experienced Islamic extremist first hand.

Alex
"In fact, a couple years back, I was standing beside that Christian fundie, making fun of him by yelling "ALLAHU ACKBAR!", "PRAISE ALLAH!", and "THE PATH TO SALVATION IS THROUGH MOHAMMED!" at the top of my lungs"

You write that as if you're proud of it. Somewhere there's a therapists couch missing a body.

Posted by: Alex>>

“In fact, a couple years back, I was standing beside that Christian fundie, making fun of him”.

Class act dude!

“nobody seemed to mistake me for a terrorist, either. Might have had something to do with the blonde crew-cut hair and blue eyes.”

Those damned “RACISTS”!

“And thought ... heh ... this guy's an idiot”. Ref: gordinkneehill at March 26, 2009 6:42 PM

Wow another brilliant opinion that matters (From someone who gets their kicks standing on street corners heckling nutty street people).

Of course it’s all about the attention, enjoy your moment it’ll be summer soon, warm enough you can get out of the basement and find some bums downtown to beat up because they get some food from the local “Christian” charity.

I got a lesson on current Rules Of Engagement...by a coupla SAS types (the real thing).
Scenario---advancing down a street with a local interpreter when a sniper kills the local....if you return fire---you have committed a war crime because you could not IDENTIFY the sniper...in a court of law....approved procedure---withdraw (run away)
Scenario---a rioter charges you and your associates with a grenade in his hand....if you shoot hime you have committed a war crime because he hadn't thrown it....murder........approved procedure---withdraw (run away)
Scenario---a rioter charges you and your associates with a grenade in his hand and throws it....if you shoot hime you have committed a war crime because after he has thrown the grenade he no longer represents a threat--the grenade does....murder.........approved procedure---withdraw (run away)
I enquired how well they implemented these Rules....they just grinned and declared they don't run away.....and the UN observer usually dies of his wounds.....

Good to see Girl On The Right Right On The Scene. :-)

The media here in Toronto reports every emergency incident that takes place on the subway (save for suicides of course), particularly when it involves the emergency strip being pressed. Never heard anything about this story until reading it here. No surprise, really. He wasn't an evangelical Christian.

I love how in the wake of these things the trolls emerge from their lairs to equate islamists with Christians.

One lunatic on GOTR's site didn't see any difference between some christian nut shouting "Jesus Saves!" and an islamowhacko yelling "Allah Akhbar!". Perhaps the surviving relatives of Daniel Pearl, or those who died on 9/11 could offer some useful perspective on that.

"But Timothy McVeigh was a Christian, and so was Hitler"! Nice straw men, those. I could be mistaken, but I don't believe either of them killed innocents for the public Glory of God.

Question for the islamo-apologists: let's say you're correct, and Christian terrorism is rampant throughout the world. Can you please advise where I might read similar stats on Christian terrorism as are found here?

Thanks a bunch.

mhb23re

Wafa Sultan - that woman totally rocks.

For those who haven't seen the video of her on memri TV - here it is - a classic and well worth watching

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1296126090432829344

Get a bowl of popcorn and enjoy!!!

Here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army

And while we're on the subject of Christians, Muslims, and subways, here's a fun little video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lguPY03i42U

Some wonderful Christian love and understanding for you there!

It's beside the point anyway. Most rapes are committed by men. Does that mean every woman should assume that all men are potential rapists? Most murders are committed by people with guns. Should we assume that anyone who owns a gun is a murderer? How can you possibly try and justify your bigoted attitude by using statistics? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is?

Here's what your LRA's wiki page says, Alex:
"The group adheres to a syncretistic[4] blend of Christianity, Mysticism,[5] Islam,[6] Ugandan traditional religion,[7] and witchcraft,[8] and claims to be establishing a theocratic state based on the Ten Commandments and Acholi tradition."

Boy, that really sounds like mainstream Christianity as espoused in the West. And that's the best you can do? Pretty pathetic.

And the point of using statistics linking Muslim terrorists (who kill Muslims and infidels alike around the world) with Islam is that the terrorists aren't aberrations but are supported by a large percentage of Muslims unlike any of the handful of "Christian" terrorists people like you pretend are just as much a danger in the world.

(BTW, I think McVeigh was a Nietzschean Nihilist, not a practicing Christian.)

"Boy, that really sounds like mainstream Christianity as espoused in the West"

And Osama's brand of Islam sounds nothing like mainstream Islam. What's your point?

You don't get to put every single sect of Muslims under one label, while differentiating amongst Christians based on denomination. Or, rather, you can do it, if you like - you'll just end up looking like a complete hypocrite.

"And the point of using statistics ... is that the terrorists aren't aberrations but are supported by a large percentage of Muslims"

Which you've failed to do. The statistics you're quoting are completely unrelated to the point you're trying to make.

"unlike any of the handful of "Christian" terrorists people like you pretend are just as much a danger in the world."

I'm pretty sure the IRA and the LRA number more than "a handful". Never mind the thousands of atrocities committed by Christians throughout history.

See, the main difference between me and you here is that I'm able to differentiate between religious acts, and secular acts carried out by a believer. For instance, I wouldn't blame the extermination of the Indians on Christianity, even though it was done by Christians, but I would blame the Salem Witch Trials on Christianity, since there is a clear connection. Whereas YOU on the other hand, seem to deny that any negative act could be carried out because of Christianity, while simultaneously claiming that any negative act committed by a Muslim must be because of Islam. That's asinine, to put it mildly. Your mental process seems to go something like this:

Christian woman killed her child because "God told her to"? Can't blame that on Christianity! Jeebus says killing is bad!

Muslim man caught shoplifting? Burn the heretic! His moon-god religion is clearly responsible! Mohammed told his followers to steal!

The end result is that you sound like a complete hypocrite and a zealot to anyone who hasn't been brainwashed with your particular brand of insanity. Try to open your mind a little, will ya? Take off the blinders. Not everything is based on religion, nubnuts!

Uhmmm MHB Hitler may have been raised a catholic. But was clearly an atheist. Many of the National Socialist Workers Party members were as well. Some were into the occult. Almost as if they were trying to start a new religion. Of course the greatest murders of all times. Hitler, Stalin, Ho Chi Min, Pol Pot, and the big daddy of them all Chairmen Mao murders of millions and millions. Were all socialist and atheist. A person of faith has to believe that he will be judge for the deaths of others. Of course one religion tells them they will get 72 virgins. An atheist believes and doesn't have to be worried about punishment beyond the grave. Probably why they can order a civilan airliner eg Korean Airlines flight 007 be shot down. They only have to answer to themselves. And as dicators that means a peaceful sleep at nite.

The IRA are Marxist, atheist, urban terrorists, Alex. You lose, again.

And funny that you have to go back 300 years to get your anti-Christian talking points. I can go back one day for Muslim acts of terror. Which is why I take Islamic terror more seriously than "Christians are as dangerous as Muslims" simplism.

"The IRA are Marxist, atheist, urban terrorists, Alex. You lose, again."

lol

I rest my case :) G'night!

"And the point of using statistics ... is that the terrorists aren't aberrations but are supported by a large percentage of Muslims"

Yes. That is why we see the Pakistani population trying to overthrow the Pakistani government because of the latters war against terrorists. Oh wait, that isn't happening.

We see the same in Muslim Malaysia. And in the largest Muslim nation - Indonesia, where the government is perpetually at war with Islamic militants. Oh wait. Again. I don't see it.

Instead we get those overplayed images of a couple of hundred Palestinians celebrating 9/11 (they somehow managed to comprehend the scale of it all many hours before we could - or did they?). And of a couple of hundred bearded men and women in scarves protesting against America in the west. Arabia supports terrorists. Its the same old bubble. Where was the support for terror of the 160 million odd muslims in India in the aftermath of the Bombay attacks? Nowhere.

mad maxxxxx,

" A person of faith has to believe that he will be judge for the deaths of others. Of course one religion tells them they will get 72 virgins."

The 'atheist' is a relatively new phenomenon. Certainly post-reformation, if not enlightenment. Till then, anyone who dared to be atheist was promptly dispatched to God, and those who killed him thought they were doing God's work. It happened in Judaism. It happened in Christianity. It happened in Islam. The Crusaders had no compulsions about killing Jews and Muslims - it was, as the Pope so succinctly put it, God's will. The Jews and Muslims were equally bloody in carrying out God's work.

Sure the inquistion only killed a couple of hundred Spaniards. But it killed a hell of a lot more Indians in Portugese Goa. In the name of a merciful God. And the man who called for it was duly named a Saint (Francis Xavier).

We will never really know how many people were killed by Christianity between 0 AD and now. Or by Judaism. Or by Islam (prior to the 20th century anyway). The good old atheists did do us one favor - they kept detailed accounts of it all. The religious folk, perhaps driven by shame, continue to try to surpress it.

"Probably why they can order a civilan airliner eg Korean Airlines flight 007 be shot down"

Right, and Reagan's America was atheist. That is why it ordered the shooting down of Iran Air 655.

Its all very charming. Kind of like walking around the Vatican and admiring the paintings. Where did the money come from? It was all charity of course. Poverty didnt exist back then. Paintings were more important. The pope carrying out charity? Blasphemy.

They re all nutters.

Andycanuck, you interrupted alex in mid-islamic apology; he wasn't quite ready to let loose with "Islam is a Religion of Peace®". A couple of years ago (when the peaceful islamic world was rioting and killing christian nuns over some lame-o cartoons) Environics did a poll and found that 12% of muslims surveyed that the foiled terrorist plot to blow up the HoC and behead Stephen Harper was justified.

There are roughly, what - 800,000 muslims in Canada. So 12% of those is 96,000, and to be fair, let's cut that in half: that leaves nearly 50,000 muslims who may indeed embrace this archaic tribal philosophy and living in this country. I guess alex should hope not to run into any of these guys when he's doing his "moon-god/Mohammed" shtick.

mhb

Can anyone imagine this happening on Texas Transit? Only in Eunuch-land you say? If he had a mind to, and a knife, he could have calmly offed everyone on the train.

andycanuck wrote: ("BTW, I think McVeigh was a Nietzschean Nihilist, not a practicing Christian.)"

Assshoooollle!

(Apologies to 'A Fish Called Wanda')