I maintain, and Mr. Def so eloquently makes my case, that rap "artists" and those who listen to them are devoid of any pretense of intellect. I'd have reached across the table at some point and just wrung his scrawny neck and told him the STFU and listen if he's going to go to the trouble of asking the question out loud.
Really, he asks questions and then talks over the answer. I remember my father telling me that God gave me two ears and one mouth, and I should use them in that proportion. Apparently, Mr. "Def" (laughed out loud at that) never got that message.
Maher had to know that Hitchens and Rushdie weren't going to say things that he'd agree with (and boy, did he sound like a midget when he tried to throw in the kind of boiler-plate comments that Larry King lets him get away with). But what the hell was he thinking in having that mental-defective on the show at the same time?
I've actually met people who argue like that guy about Bush, Obama, terror, Bin Laden etc.
I read the other day someone comment during the Fox Red Eye controversy that the lefty types like John Stewart and Bill Maher never take personal attacts at the military.
This exchange surprises exactly who? Mo Def represents the same pack o bastards so convinced OJ was framed, the earth is flat, Obama represent enlightened change and the white man is responsible for everything bad everywhere all the time. All the time while parking his car on his lawn. Would have been nice too hear Rushdie and Hitch without the moron blithering all the time, but, what do you expect from anything Bill Maher has to do with.
For Maher to turn to Hitchens and tell him to stop, that was ridiculous, it was Def that was doing all the talking.
Hitchens was very good at rebuking Maher.
The composition of this panel seems a little weighted to the intellectual side. Well Bill is there to even things out... Strange choice of guests for a political discussion on terrorism.
Mos Def had no idea that the Taliban and Al-Qaeda were distinct organizations, he was probably not aware the Taliban were the "pre-invasion" government in Afghanistan either.
I am not at risk from Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden because "I don't speak no Arabic" and the media lies (except about how great Obama is). I love that, nothing to be concerned about from Korea then 'cause I do not speak Korean, wow Rap Foreign Policy is a breeze.
It would of been more intellectually honest if Mos Def had simply posed the question, then stuck his fingers in his ears, closed his eyes and kept repeating, "la, la, la, I can't hear you, la, la la,. . . ". But I suppose that would have made it so clear that even the simpletons who support him would have had to realize that the jig was up.
I think HBO will spin this off to a new edition of Crossfire. I can see it now, Def and Snoopdog debating Hitchens and Ann Coulter. The new twist will involve a real crossfire, where the audience and crew will be gunned down in a hail of 9mm slugs.
Dontcha just love the way Mos Def tried to get a quick education from Hitchens and Rushdie? He knew his goose was cooked from the very beginning, because he had NO IDEA what the Taliban's or Al Quaeda's agendas are: He just knew he was supposed to support the Muslim brotherhood.
Hitchens did a good job deflecting the asinine comments from Def and Maher, both idiots. I especially liked Hitchens' not backing down when Maher told him, nudge, nudge, wink, wink, to back down. Damned liberals do it all the time: When the going gets tough, they back down and ask everyone else with them to do the same. Hitchens essentially said, "F*** you." Bravo.
What's really scary, as Revnant Dream points out, is that it's the Mahers and Defs who are going to be running things: Just look at Obama.
Try to imagine how embarassing this is to your average, black, husband, father, hardworking employee. This is just one guy, making an ass of himself, and Bill Maher stuck him on TV to represent the black community.
Maher is the worst type of racist. He assumes that any black guy will suffice as a representative of the community. He's like the guy who thinks all women are the same, so doesn't notice he's dating a monster(some experience here).
I've long ago stopped being embarassed every time a white guy does something idiotic. I hope that day will soon come for the black community.
The irony here may lie in that the imbecilic Mr. Def is conceivably a better activist than either both a musician and actor -- a demented convolution taken a degree higher by no one knowing nor caring.
Kate, your intro line is deadly precise. For 8 years we've heard so much B.S. exactly like that coming out of Mos Def's pie hole. Now that the Messiah is ruling the roost, suddenly they realize what complete morons they've all been.
Note: Just a pipe dream of mine that they actually realized this!
A critical mass in the US is starting to realize this......
This is BAMBAMs core constiuency which will do an LA riot coast to coast when the bread and circuses they thought BAMBAM promised do not materialize and shortages set in.
Mos Def set integration back 50 years....
dp said, "This is just one guy, making an ass of himself, and Bill Maher stuck him on TV to represent the black community. "
exactly, and with the choice of Mos Def they really should have chosen Britney Spears to represent Caucasians, then at least the panel would have been intellectually equal and still racially inclusive.
Let me modify my comment of "resigning from the world"
I am not resigning from the world, rather, I have given up on the USA
It used to be a great nation. (There are still of course some great people there.)
But, sadly, it is now morally bankrupt, and it has sold itself out. It is the Shakespearean farmer who has hanged himself in the expectation of (future, and based on the work of other people's) plenty.
Ave atque vale, USA
It was nice while we knew ya. And sadly, you will screw us Canadians, because we need you to buy the stuff we produce.
I'm not in the hiding in the "cave mentality" quite yet, but honestly, we have watched a nation sell itself out to an "American Idol" president.
Where is the greatness of the USA now?
The O-ree-on president?
My heavens, listening to Bush live a few weeks ago (yay Calgary, [the first,and self-admitted only place he could go on his lecture tour]), it was great to hear how he was a real leader.
The world these days is not a simple place loaded with Obama's false choices, where he says "we are often faced with choice A, and choice B, where in reality we must face choice C".
Bah, no. Your choice C, Obama, is a lousy choice, despite how you frame it, so count me out.
Sadly, this seems to be a world where those who choose the expediency of Obama seemingly trump all rational people.
Sigh
I look forward to GWB's book on the twelve difficult leadership decisions he had to make.
The one he quoted in the lecture (previously mentioned), was
1. You are told you have someone in custody, who has information on upcoming attacks on the US.
He may give up some information, if you use, (me, saying, with less than perfect memory, "less than friendly tactics").
Erik, sadly I think what you're describing accurately portrays large swaths of nations all around the Western World. John Galt is long gone and the Sheeple have taken over. :-( x 1,000,000
Brought tears to my eyes to see the debilitating effects FAS has on a human brain. (I'm making quite an assumption that Mr. Def once actually had one.)
I also wept that Mr. Hitchens & Mr. Rushdie are in such dire financial straits to have to appear on that moron Maher's Sneer & Jeer Show.
But the bitterest tear was for actually wasting almost 10 minutes of my life watching this lunacy.
People don't know anything, or care about anything, anymore. History is a major, not a treasured resource with which to learn about the future
My friends and I grew up on self-learning, and knowledge - the 20 year olds who have elected Obama have relied and waited for television to tell them what to think, (which it certainly has) in the past twelve months leading up to the US election.
McCain was a person of substance. Think of what he survived, and what he has done, and the "working across the aisles" stuff.
What has Obama done, other than ascend to every top position because he was seemingly the right candidate for whichever job, despite massive deficiencies?
I feel I should say something cheering, but I can't think of anything. Only this: President Obama (pbuh) will f*#k everything up so badly (check out Kate's very latest post) that Palin/Limbaugh 2012 will be a shue-in.
This could be an insomnia-induced hallucination, but it's one of my nicer ones.
Long time Trotskyist Hitchens and Rushdie *are* the Democratic base, they make us conservatives puke.
Actually Hitch makes my skin crawl within seconds of hearing his voice; grotesquely disingenuous, that lad is.
Outright socialists, both Hitchens and Rushdie endorsed Barack Obama this past election and are surgically fused to his nutsac more forcefully than Mos Def, I would submit.
Mos Def is a Muslim and has appeared on Bill Maher before. Here's Wiki:
On September 7, 2007, Mos Def appeared on Real Time with Bill Maher where he spoke about racism against African Americans, citing the government response to Hurricane Katrina, the Jena Six and the murder conviction of Mumia Abu-Jamal. Mos Def also displayed his deep skepticism, mentioning that Al-Qaeda was not responsible for 9/11, that the Apollo Moon landings were a hoax, and that Al-Qaeda is not responsible for as much terrorism as they are portrayed to be.[33]
He appeared on Real Time again on March 24, 2009, and spoke at length on the risk of nuclear weapons. He suggested that we should lead by example and follow through on Gorbachev and pursue disarmament talks. He called Osama Bin Ladin a "mythical figure" and that we should focus more on our own people. He had a debate with both Salman Rushdie and Christopher Hitchens in which he seemed unsure of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda's aims. He then declared, as part of a heated exchange with Hitchens, that he had never watched bin Laden's tapes because he did not speak Arabic and did not trust the media's translations.
Thanks huxley for at least giving us a reason as to why that village idiot was on the panel. To paraphrase an old quote:" It is better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." Why ask a question if a) you are going to talk over the answer and b) not believe it anyway because you don't trust the translation and can't speak Arabic.
rich to watch the heroic mr def proclaim that he doesn't follow the crowd and can think for himself---while accepting applause from the audience and while sitting next to mr rushdie---a man who has had a price put on his head by a powerful government
as someone postd above, all four of these guys voted for obama. That almost perfectly illustrates how fractured the Dems support is. It has been that way at least since JFK was assasinated. And it is the one thing that might yet save the US from becoming a european welfare state.
You make an assumption that Mr Def would have any idea who rushdie was, that he is under a death senence for writing a book. Because he hasn't "heard it for himself", and you know he is from a certain neighborhood therefore he knows certain things....although it sounds like he might be able to relate to rushdie because he as accused of something and probably was innocent, because those things happen.....
There is a firm difference between ignorance and stupidity. Stupidity is accidental, ignorance is purposeful.
Def is one of the most ignorant people I've had the misfortune of listening to while he talked over the only men in the studio who apparently had brains. He sounded and acted like a classic liberal, talk loud enough and often enough and soon the right (both politically and literally) voices will be drowned out. He'd be a perfect NDP candidate.
I saw this over at Kathy's place. Two genius level men trying to deliver a -basic- education on the basic facts to an amazingly uninformed entertainer. On TV.
Pitiful. The most pitiful part was Mr. Def thinking he was actually taking part in a conversation. Hitchens and Rushdie talking about Gaza and Islamic terror to a guy who can't even find Israel on a map.
Its like explaining fire and steel to a Troofer who's never held a welding torch in his life. "See? It DOES bend!" "Oooooh!" says the Troofer.
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I maintain, and Mr. Def so eloquently makes my case, that rap "artists" and those who listen to them are devoid of any pretense of intellect. I'd have reached across the table at some point and just wrung his scrawny neck and told him the STFU and listen if he's going to go to the trouble of asking the question out loud.
Looks like the video has been yanked.
Too painful and embarrassing for that idiot Bill Maher?
Really, he asks questions and then talks over the answer. I remember my father telling me that God gave me two ears and one mouth, and I should use them in that proportion. Apparently, Mr. "Def" (laughed out loud at that) never got that message.
Maher had to know that Hitchens and Rushdie weren't going to say things that he'd agree with (and boy, did he sound like a midget when he tried to throw in the kind of boiler-plate comments that Larry King lets him get away with). But what the hell was he thinking in having that mental-defective on the show at the same time?
I've actually met people who argue like that guy about Bush, Obama, terror, Bin Laden etc.
Mos Def should change his screen name to MOST DAFT!
I read the other day someone comment during the Fox Red Eye controversy that the lefty types like John Stewart and Bill Maher never take personal attacts at the military.
Wrong!
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/30/video-maher-salutes-american-troops/
Mos Def lives up to his name.....what a stupid little man.
wtf?!? why would they put that guy on with the adults? It was painful to watch.
Bill Maher is an ass. That video clinched it.
This exchange surprises exactly who? Mo Def represents the same pack o bastards so convinced OJ was framed, the earth is flat, Obama represent enlightened change and the white man is responsible for everything bad everywhere all the time. All the time while parking his car on his lawn. Would have been nice too hear Rushdie and Hitch without the moron blithering all the time, but, what do you expect from anything Bill Maher has to do with.
Yeah, Mos Def probably didn't believe Iraq had WMDs either - what an idiot!
For Maher to turn to Hitchens and tell him to stop, that was ridiculous, it was Def that was doing all the talking.
Hitchens was very good at rebuking Maher.
Just think. These are the folks that will soon be running things. Now thats terrifying.
Bleet..cherry picking or trolling?
The composition of this panel seems a little weighted to the intellectual side. Well Bill is there to even things out... Strange choice of guests for a political discussion on terrorism.
Mos Def had no idea that the Taliban and Al-Qaeda were distinct organizations, he was probably not aware the Taliban were the "pre-invasion" government in Afghanistan either.
I am not at risk from Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden because "I don't speak no Arabic" and the media lies (except about how great Obama is). I love that, nothing to be concerned about from Korea then 'cause I do not speak Korean, wow Rap Foreign Policy is a breeze.
It would of been more intellectually honest if Mos Def had simply posed the question, then stuck his fingers in his ears, closed his eyes and kept repeating, "la, la, la, I can't hear you, la, la la,. . . ". But I suppose that would have made it so clear that even the simpletons who support him would have had to realize that the jig was up.
That's the longest I've ever watched Maher.
I think HBO will spin this off to a new edition of Crossfire. I can see it now, Def and Snoopdog debating Hitchens and Ann Coulter. The new twist will involve a real crossfire, where the audience and crew will be gunned down in a hail of 9mm slugs.
Dontcha just love the way Mos Def tried to get a quick education from Hitchens and Rushdie? He knew his goose was cooked from the very beginning, because he had NO IDEA what the Taliban's or Al Quaeda's agendas are: He just knew he was supposed to support the Muslim brotherhood.
Hitchens did a good job deflecting the asinine comments from Def and Maher, both idiots. I especially liked Hitchens' not backing down when Maher told him, nudge, nudge, wink, wink, to back down. Damned liberals do it all the time: When the going gets tough, they back down and ask everyone else with them to do the same. Hitchens essentially said, "F*** you." Bravo.
What's really scary, as Revnant Dream points out, is that it's the Mahers and Defs who are going to be running things: Just look at Obama.
Try to imagine how embarassing this is to your average, black, husband, father, hardworking employee. This is just one guy, making an ass of himself, and Bill Maher stuck him on TV to represent the black community.
Maher is the worst type of racist. He assumes that any black guy will suffice as a representative of the community. He's like the guy who thinks all women are the same, so doesn't notice he's dating a monster(some experience here).
I've long ago stopped being embarassed every time a white guy does something idiotic. I hope that day will soon come for the black community.
Mos Def----------prototypical Obumble disciple.
One only has to look at the forehead on that loser Mahr, he aint long out of the trees, and he is one notch stupider than the rap druggie.
I reject your reality & insert my own
Shouldn't that be a blogging category all on it's own?
The irony here may lie in that the imbecilic Mr. Def is conceivably a better activist than either both a musician and actor -- a demented convolution taken a degree higher by no one knowing nor caring.
to painful to watch it all, had to make it stop
to painful to watch it all, had to make it stop
Kate, your intro line is deadly precise. For 8 years we've heard so much B.S. exactly like that coming out of Mos Def's pie hole. Now that the Messiah is ruling the roost, suddenly they realize what complete morons they've all been.
Note: Just a pipe dream of mine that they actually realized this!
DanBC
"Mos Def----------prototypical Obumble disciple."
A critical mass in the US is starting to realize this......
This is BAMBAMs core constiuency which will do an LA riot coast to coast when the bread and circuses they thought BAMBAM promised do not materialize and shortages set in.
Mos Def set integration back 50 years....
Good heavenly days, to quote my deceased grandmother
Salman Rushdie, and Christopher Hitchens, vs Mos Def?????
Screw this world, I am resigning
Why do men like Salman Rushdie and Christopher Hitchens even bother to go on Maher's show?
dp said, "This is just one guy, making an ass of himself, and Bill Maher stuck him on TV to represent the black community. "
exactly, and with the choice of Mos Def they really should have chosen Britney Spears to represent Caucasians, then at least the panel would have been intellectually equal and still racially inclusive.
Let me modify my comment of "resigning from the world"
I am not resigning from the world, rather, I have given up on the USA
It used to be a great nation. (There are still of course some great people there.)
But, sadly, it is now morally bankrupt, and it has sold itself out. It is the Shakespearean farmer who has hanged himself in the expectation of (future, and based on the work of other people's) plenty.
Ave atque vale, USA
It was nice while we knew ya. And sadly, you will screw us Canadians, because we need you to buy the stuff we produce.
Bah.
No hope, Erik?
Black Mamba - sadly, not a lot of hope right now
I'm not in the hiding in the "cave mentality" quite yet, but honestly, we have watched a nation sell itself out to an "American Idol" president.
Where is the greatness of the USA now?
The O-ree-on president?
My heavens, listening to Bush live a few weeks ago (yay Calgary, [the first,and self-admitted only place he could go on his lecture tour]), it was great to hear how he was a real leader.
The world these days is not a simple place loaded with Obama's false choices, where he says "we are often faced with choice A, and choice B, where in reality we must face choice C".
Bah, no. Your choice C, Obama, is a lousy choice, despite how you frame it, so count me out.
Sadly, this seems to be a world where those who choose the expediency of Obama seemingly trump all rational people.
Sigh
I look forward to GWB's book on the twelve difficult leadership decisions he had to make.
The one he quoted in the lecture (previously mentioned), was
1. You are told you have someone in custody, who has information on upcoming attacks on the US.
He may give up some information, if you use, (me, saying, with less than perfect memory, "less than friendly tactics").
What would you do?
Erik, sadly I think what you're describing accurately portrays large swaths of nations all around the Western World. John Galt is long gone and the Sheeple have taken over. :-( x 1,000,000
Brought tears to my eyes to see the debilitating effects FAS has on a human brain. (I'm making quite an assumption that Mr. Def once actually had one.)
I also wept that Mr. Hitchens & Mr. Rushdie are in such dire financial straits to have to appear on that moron Maher's Sneer & Jeer Show.
But the bitterest tear was for actually wasting almost 10 minutes of my life watching this lunacy.
Robert W, yep
People don't know anything, or care about anything, anymore. History is a major, not a treasured resource with which to learn about the future
My friends and I grew up on self-learning, and knowledge - the 20 year olds who have elected Obama have relied and waited for television to tell them what to think, (which it certainly has) in the past twelve months leading up to the US election.
McCain was a person of substance. Think of what he survived, and what he has done, and the "working across the aisles" stuff.
What has Obama done, other than ascend to every top position because he was seemingly the right candidate for whichever job, despite massive deficiencies?
I feel I should say something cheering, but I can't think of anything. Only this: President Obama (pbuh) will f*#k everything up so badly (check out Kate's very latest post) that Palin/Limbaugh 2012 will be a shue-in.
This could be an insomnia-induced hallucination, but it's one of my nicer ones.
Long time Trotskyist Hitchens and Rushdie *are* the Democratic base, they make us conservatives puke.
Actually Hitch makes my skin crawl within seconds of hearing his voice; grotesquely disingenuous, that lad is.
Outright socialists, both Hitchens and Rushdie endorsed Barack Obama this past election and are surgically fused to his nutsac more forcefully than Mos Def, I would submit.
The only thing more astounding than the physical size of Mr. Def's mouth is the quantity of mindless drivel that comes out of it.
Mos Def is a Muslim and has appeared on Bill Maher before. Here's Wiki:
On September 7, 2007, Mos Def appeared on Real Time with Bill Maher where he spoke about racism against African Americans, citing the government response to Hurricane Katrina, the Jena Six and the murder conviction of Mumia Abu-Jamal. Mos Def also displayed his deep skepticism, mentioning that Al-Qaeda was not responsible for 9/11, that the Apollo Moon landings were a hoax, and that Al-Qaeda is not responsible for as much terrorism as they are portrayed to be.[33]
He appeared on Real Time again on March 24, 2009, and spoke at length on the risk of nuclear weapons. He suggested that we should lead by example and follow through on Gorbachev and pursue disarmament talks. He called Osama Bin Ladin a "mythical figure" and that we should focus more on our own people. He had a debate with both Salman Rushdie and Christopher Hitchens in which he seemed unsure of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda's aims. He then declared, as part of a heated exchange with Hitchens, that he had never watched bin Laden's tapes because he did not speak Arabic and did not trust the media's translations.
Thanks huxley for at least giving us a reason as to why that village idiot was on the panel. To paraphrase an old quote:" It is better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." Why ask a question if a) you are going to talk over the answer and b) not believe it anyway because you don't trust the translation and can't speak Arabic.
Sheesh! I posted that two days ago :-)
http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/:entry:fivefeet-2009-03-30-0016/
rich to watch the heroic mr def proclaim that he doesn't follow the crowd and can think for himself---while accepting applause from the audience and while sitting next to mr rushdie---a man who has had a price put on his head by a powerful government
I almost forgot:
RACIST!!!!!! :-)
I half expected Mos Def to pull a gun and pop a cap into hitchens ass
as someone postd above, all four of these guys voted for obama. That almost perfectly illustrates how fractured the Dems support is. It has been that way at least since JFK was assasinated. And it is the one thing that might yet save the US from becoming a european welfare state.
rzr,
You make an assumption that Mr Def would have any idea who rushdie was, that he is under a death senence for writing a book. Because he hasn't "heard it for himself", and you know he is from a certain neighborhood therefore he knows certain things....although it sounds like he might be able to relate to rushdie because he as accused of something and probably was innocent, because those things happen.....
There is a firm difference between ignorance and stupidity. Stupidity is accidental, ignorance is purposeful.
Def is one of the most ignorant people I've had the misfortune of listening to while he talked over the only men in the studio who apparently had brains. He sounded and acted like a classic liberal, talk loud enough and often enough and soon the right (both politically and literally) voices will be drowned out. He'd be a perfect NDP candidate.
Obamabot-ism at it's drooling mumbling best.
I saw this over at Kathy's place. Two genius level men trying to deliver a -basic- education on the basic facts to an amazingly uninformed entertainer. On TV.
Pitiful. The most pitiful part was Mr. Def thinking he was actually taking part in a conversation. Hitchens and Rushdie talking about Gaza and Islamic terror to a guy who can't even find Israel on a map.
Its like explaining fire and steel to a Troofer who's never held a welding torch in his life. "See? It DOES bend!" "Oooooh!" says the Troofer.
Duh.