Cultural diversity at the point of a knife;
A traditional Muslim family’s “honor” is based on how strictly it can control its female members. If a daughter, sister, or wife, even one who is living in the West, refuses to “cover,” wears makeup, has non-Muslim friends, insists on going to college, wants to choose her own husband or leave an abusive husband, wants to live on her own, or dares to have an affair — she is seen as having “dishonored” her family. This is a capital crime. She is not merely admonished or shunned as other traditional religions in the West might do. She is killed. The murder is typically carried out by multiple family members, not just by one loner. A grandfather, male cousin, mother, and sister may all collaborate on this.In my study, I spell out some of the major distinctions between Western-style domestic violence, which of course I deplore, but which does not always or even often end in femicide. Honor murders are femicide; they may involve battering but are also a highly ritual form of religious/cultural murder.
Although most Muslim organizations claim that such honor killings have absolutely nothing to do with Islam, many scholars and critics of Islam strongly disagree. Muslim countries do not often prosecute honor killings. More progressive countries, like Jordan, deal with the intractable problem of honor-related violence against women and honor killing by locking up the potential victims, often for as long as a decade. Sharia law believes in fathers’ and husbands’ physically punishing disobedient women. It does not clearly admonish its followers not to kill women who are viewed as “dishonoring” their families. The Islamic state will not prosecute honor killers, or will do so reluctantly, slowly, inexpertly, etc.
Unlike traditional Western-style non-fatal domestic violence, or Western-style femicide, both of which are considered and prosecuted as crimes, honor killings are traditionally not frowned upon, and the men who restore their family’s honor are valorized.
In at least half the cases I studied, the actual murder itself was very brutal. The female victim was stabbed 8-23 times, set on fire, stoned, beaten to death, decapitated, or suffocated slowly. The beheading in Buffalo is more indicative of a Pakistani and Muslim mind-set which normalizes the tremendously brutal treatment of women and which resembles that of a Western-style serial killer of prostitutes, that of a sexual slaver/pimp, or that of an Islamist terrorist.
Funny, in't it, that for all the fat-mouthed horseshit they endlessly offer up about "honor", these lousy little scumbags always talk themselves into fighting girls, and not men.
Or strap bombs on their children to do the jobs they are too chicken to do.
Yep....murdering their uppity women-folk, and blowing up their children. Clearly this is a culture Canada should be embracing, not judging, and placing on par with western values.
Yep. That's the ticket.
If i was a Muslim woman, and wanted out of a bad relationship, i would pack up and head for the hills without ever telling a soul.
To talk is to die, so just leave..everything..and don't look back.
Certainly most telling and disturbing is the other woman in the family that seemingly, willingly participate in these murders of their own. Even if acting out of fear it still goes against all natural instincts to fight for your offspring. How can anyone not see is as out and out cultural murder?
When I read news forums online there's always a "Fatima" calling for harsh punishment for any indiscretions of teenage girls but never for the boys doing worse.
This is devolution and erosion of our basic human rights to me. But it is our immigration department's policy to ignore these ongoing subhuman acts and bring more of the same in.
Look at France, they've been doing this for 30-40 years and now when young muslim woman try to get away, if not murdered and their murders not persecuted by the laws, they are also subject to gang rapes and burned alive. Their mothers, sisters and etc, are as bad as the French authorities-that do noting to stop or persecute these crimes, because it's just 'a domestic situation' and 'these woman deserve it' from the 'compliant' female muslim's point of view.
So is this where we're heading if not there already?
Kursk says " so just leave..everything..and don't look back."
Fine for someone raised in, say, Canada, but for others, (in Muslim European enclaves and such), the problem is that so many of these women have no idea where to go, nor any idea that there even IS somewhere they MIGHT go; as far as they know their 'world' is THE world, and, for those relocated to other countries, they might not even speak the local language.
Kursk "the problem is that so many of these women have no idea where to go, nor any idea that there even IS somewhere they MIGHT go".
It's too bad someone doesn't start some kind of Womens Rights group to help women in trouble. They could use government money to set up shelters, give advice, help relocate the victims to a safe environments. They could also speak out about the injustices happening to these women so that the general public is aware of what's going on in regards to these problems.
Sorry. I just remembered we have already have these organizations but they are on the side of the Muslim men and Sharia. Go figure.
And look at how Ayaan Hirsi Ali has been treated in the West. She did run away. (At an airport in Europe on her way to Toronto, I believe, where she was to marry the man chosen for her.) She settled in Holland, learned the language, went to university, became a Dutch MP, and then spoke out boldly against Muslim abuses. She wrote the script for Theo Van Gogh’s movie, Submission. The result?
The Dutch decided to turn their backs on Hirsi Ali because her truth telling riled Muslims and the Dutch establishment considered her too controversial, difficult, and expensive to protect. Some tolerance and freedom! (Doesn’t this sound all too typical of the dhimmitude so-called “free” countries seem all too willing to accept, rather than boldly challenging the jackboots of Islam?) Her neighbours were heavily into NIMBY, and Hirsi Ali left again—this time to go to the US, where she became a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank. According to Wikipedia, she now works for the Institute from an unknown location in the Netherlands.
While she lived in the US, she was interviewed on CBC by that reptile, Avi Lewis. He mocked both Christians and Hirsi Ali’s pro-American beliefs. She politely and decisively put him in his place: as he smirked his condescension, she quietly said, “You may spit at freedom because you haven’t lived without it”. Ouch! Of course, Avi Lewis, a discredited dhimmi, now works for Al Jazeera.
These poor women: subjugated in their own countries and now being consigned to the same fate by the “benign”, two-faced, “tolerant”, and altogether idiotic establishments of their adopted countries in the West. Let’s call it “dhimming down”: soon the rest of us will share the same fate, if the West continues to play footsie, rather than hardball, with Muslim extremists.
Kyrie eleison.
Numerous polls in India and Pakistan show over 50% of women get raped, usually gang raped, by male family members before they turn 18. Misandry wise, Islam's got nothing on the Hindus.
In India it is traditional for the girls of the family to make dinner once a year for the males of the family. Do you know why? It is to thank them for protecting them. And believe me, they need the protection.
I won't begin with the Jamaicans.
Point being that Islam doesn't even medal in the Olympics of misandry and any commentary which doesn't recognize this well supported fact is left wanting. Don't shoot the messenger.
Well said Lookout.
Hey Factoid,
Here are some facts for you:
Pakistan is overwhelmingly Muslim. Precious little Hindus left after partition
India's population is one-third Muslim - so tell me where your suspiciously imagined 50% comes from
And if you won't begin with Jamaicans, well then what argument are you trying to present?
Sheesh..... I hate spring break - all the juveniles are rampaging across the internet trying to pass themselves off as thinking adults
Factoid, the fact is you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
mis·an·dry : a hatred of men
xly india has roughly 120 million muslims in a total pop. of over a billion...
which is problematic....
Coffee deficient typos notwithstanding, I stand by my conclusion that Islam isn't in the same league as the Hindus or Rastafarians. Not saying it to be a dick, just pointing out a flaw in the anti-Muslim narrative; consider it a bug report. You people need to stop being so goddamned sensitive.
Factiod, we don't really care about your conclusion but about facts. You want to change minds, give convincing arguments supported by facts. Phyllis Chesler based her article on research. Can you provide some research that supports your point?
Barbara Kay has an interesting article on just this topic today in the National Post. Here’s a short excerpt. Misguided dupes, aka useful idiots, who post here, take note:
“The threat of ‘no-differencers’
“Since 9/11, two distinct views have emerged about the best way to deal with jihadism. One of them is exemplified by terrorism ‘expert’ Louise Richardson (of whom more anon), who believes that ‘in the process of radicalization, there is no fundamental difference between terrorists and the rest of us. They are people like you and me’ . . .
“The other school of thought — the ‘big-difference’ school, let’s call it — recognizes that Islamism is hatred rather than grievance based, as well as unprovoked, borderless and limitlessly expansionist. Frontline soldiers in this totalitarian ideology are, according to the big-difference view, incapable of rehabilitation and permanently dangerous.
“Unfortunately for us big-differencers, the cultural zeitgeist in the West is dominated by no-differencers, whose political or emotional naïveté leads them to banalize Islamist terrorism [which starts at home]. Accordingly, I found two unrelated recent news items very disturbing.
“The first is the paltry sentence — 10-and-a-half years, eligibility for full parole in five — meted out to remorseless Canadian jihadist Momin Khawaja, who plotted mass bloodshed with reptilian sangfroid . . .
“The other news item announced the appointment of the aforementioned Louise Richardson — an Irish-born, Harvard professor of government — as the new principal and vice chancellor of Scotland’s 700-year-old University of St Andrews . . .”
Factoid says:
Look away everyone.
Just ignore the elephant in the room, but hey look over there, there are snakes in the grass out there and you're just being sensitive about having your feet crushed.
I keep saying it, issue every female a .38 revolver and shooting lessons on their 16th birthday.
And you know, every time I say it some supposedly feminist Lefty comes along and calls me a woman hating b@st@rd or an insane neo-con or some such.
I like this part of the article where the interviewer asks how the "other" feminists are taking this, and the author says: "I have gradual, increasing support behind the scenes from second-wave feminists, but they are fearful about their funding, careers, even their lives. They also don’t want to hurt or upend their longtime political and personal friendships."
Fearful about their funding, careers and even their lives if they denounce Muslim honor killings. Man, that says it all, don't it?
factoid said: "Coffee deficient typos notwithstanding, I stand by my conclusion that Islam isn't in the same league as the Hindus or Rastafarians."
Given the charming Hindu custom of burning women alive on the funeral pyre of their husbands, there is certainly something in what you've said. However, the British pretty much put a stop to that back in the day through the simple expedient of hanging the male relatives. The message was received, and the Hindus don't practice Sati anymore.
Phylis Chesler is making a distinction between the "usual" sort of criminal domestic violence/murder one encounters, and the particularly vile premeditated family version common among Muslims.
I said common and I meant common, because in Muslim areas if a young woman is killed, most likely one or more of her family did it. Even here in Canada.
Its the difference between the unplanned act of passion and/or drunkenness against a wife or child, and the planned murder of a family member in cold blood. Unplanned is bad enough, planned is just so much worse.
Either way, I still say the .38 is a pretty good solution. There'll be a lot less of these girl-hitting pussies willing to take on armed-and-dangerous female types. One does not lightly take liberties with a woman who is armed and trained.
Until you have done away with those that support and protect our enemies there is no chance of survival in the long run.
Ready. About turn. Aim. Fire.
Phantom, just so you dont get all feminists getting angry at you, I think you may have a good point about the .38 and lessons at 16, but I'd also add that physical self defence should be mandatory education for any girl in school. Judo can be taught before the guns are issued, and it would provide girls with a second form of self defense which would hold them over until their 16th birthday. (absolutely like the .38 idea though, people are less likely to attack another person if there's a chance of that person being able to defend themselves)
re. Lookout 7:58AM -
Ayaan Hirsi Ali: ...the majority of Americans feel, fortunately, that they can run for office, they can get power...
Avi Lewis: As long as you're staggeringly rich, totally connected, and in the pockets of your donors, you can do anything you want in America.
Ali: In America, you can come with nothing, no penny, nothing, and you can become very wealthy. Tell me in which muslim country...
Lewis: Is there a school where they teach you these American cliches? Is it part of your application process? I'm sorry - I'm so upset, I'm losing my cards here.
I think we should be grateful Al Jazeera took this patronizing cash-brat off our hands. I only wish she'd said "well, Avi, I certainly don't know as much about nepotism as you do". Or broken a chair over his head.
Phantom you nailed it, the feminist lobby is just a gossip circle providing cushy jobs for the lefty, university type of woman. If any real action to improve rights of others is required it seems to be above their pay-grade as another lefty, university type stated.
"I have gradual, increasing support behind the scenes from second-wave feminists, but they are fearful about their funding, careers, even their lives. They also don’t want to hurt or upend their longtime political and personal friendships" and "I urgently need more funding" just about summarizes the state of womyns studies.
Credit where it is due this woman at least seems to grasp the problems within Islam and is willing to disseminate the information.
"I think you may have a good point about the .38 and lessons at 16, but I'd also add that physical self defence should be mandatory education for any girl in school. Judo can be taught before the guns are issued, and it would provide girls with a second form of self defense which would hold them over until their 16th birthday."
Good idea, Irene. Take Toronto for example: a recent school survey shows the under 18 demographic to be roughly a third black, a third Indian, and less than a third white (Muslims make up 5% of GTA population, for reference).
Your vision of a Canada comprised of armed black and Indian women united against the enemy - men (unindicted rapists, let's call a cracker a cracker here) - excites me greatly. Positively pregnant with possibility, and I mean that literally by the way.
OK, that was snarky, I apologize. I'm just not sure all this focus on Muslims makes sense logically, and if a boob like me can poke holes in this narrative like a Catholic in a condom factory then it may need a bit of tweaking.
"I said common and I meant common, because in Muslim areas if a young woman is killed, most likely one or more of her family did it"
In America, the leading cause of death of young black women in some segments is murder by their man. Women who marry black men are eight times more likely to be beaten than women married to other men. There is absolutely no comparable data for Muslims. Talk about elephants in the room, sheesh!
Good point Mike James, they are p**sies and cowards.
Idd said: "Look at France, they've been doing this for 30-40 years and now when young Muslim woman try to get away, if not murdered and their murders not persecuted by the laws, they are also subject to gang rapes and burned alive."
gord said "It's too bad someone doesn't start some kind of Women’s Rights group to help women in trouble."
Two Tier Feminism has been institutionalized. Who speaks for brown women and aboriginal women? IMO brown men and aboriginal men.
One difference between a woman being killed because of domestic violence vs. an honor killing is premeditation. An honor killing is premeditated(and it's a conspiracy);whereas, domestic violence is not. They are different, period.
Of course women in the aformentioned cultures don't say anything about their treatment in their communities, they've been brainwashed!
Irene S
both my daughters are in wrestling and the benifits are too many to measure. IMO these are survival skills for girls and women.
"Sorry. I just remembered we have already have these organizations but they are on the side of the Muslim men and Sharia. Go figure."
Unfortunately, these organizations are, for the most part, comprised of shrill banshees with the main focus being on retaining their funding.
It's quite easy to browbeat timid politicians, however it requires too much effort and is far too politically incorrect to adjust the attitudes of Muslims intent on correcting the behaviour of their women.
That article is so full of bunk. His "research" claims the following:
"According to one recent study, 90 percent of all women in Pakistan are routinely beaten all their lives; another study documents that one million Pakistani women are beaten each year while they are pregnant."
Riiiiight.
Factoid, you seem to have a problem with arming women. Brown and black women, I note. Pretty racist, you don't mind my saying so. Funny as hell too, here's the bad racist/bigot/homophobe Phantom saying "give the brown chicks guns", and here's noble Factoid saying "but but but, that's not SAFE! They're not LIKE us!"
As I mentioned, this is typical of Leftists I've encountered. What's the matter, you think your armed girlfriend won't protect you from the savage brown people? Or is it you think she'll be f-ing useless with a gun?
You also seem to have a problem being able to discern a difference between worthless knobs assaulting and killing their girlfriends on the spur of the moment, and premeditated murders carried out by brothers, fathers and uncles. For being out of uniform, basically. Or God forbid, gettin' some out of wedlock! [gasp!] We're all free and equal and marriage is for squares, except for the brown chicks?
Keep talking buddy, this is hilarious!
The question isn’t whether Islam promotes violence against women, who cares? It’s really about whether we allow this demented ideology to creep into our society.
As with any cult, the majority of Muslim women will defend their abusive treatment to the end. It’s simple and well proven indoctrination and brainwashing. Whatever, the incessant fanatical push of this movement to convert the planets population to their ideals is what should concern western societies. They are winning our lands by immigration and political reform daily. The objective of course is to implement Sharia law and eventually full blown totalitarian Islamic states so that everyone then lives under their mental delusions and control. Of course along with the obligatory abuses to enforce them.
Can’t happen here? Then why is it growing as the fastest “religion” on earth? Why are western country’s year by year amassing larger Muslim populations that are growing exponentially once past the 10% demographic?
It is happening whether anyone ignores or not, likes it or not, accepts it or not.
Factoid, just to let you in a little on my world here: took kung fu all through junior high and high school, took a self defence course my first year of college and am a great shot with a .22 bolt action rifle. Did not really plan to ever have to defend myself, what with being a white girl living in a dangerous city, but then, there's no actual danger anywhere in Canada (really, if we look below the surface, every murder in Canada was an accident). Course, maybe my vision of Canada comprised of women (all women) with every tool that they may need in order to protect themselves.
Crazy thing is that I support it even more when it comes to providing Muslim women in Muslim countries with the tools they need to protect themselves, cause frankly, they need it even more than I do.
Posted by: Factoid>
“if a boob like me can poke holes in this narrative”
At least part of that statement is true!
What you’ve basically argued is that Muslims are OK because blacks and sub continent Indians are far worse murderers and rapists as a natural course of their ethnic heritage.
I’m a loss to understand your point on that basis, much less understand the holes that you “poked” in any argument that Islam is not compatible with western society (the obvious intent of the main article).
Other non western cultures that abuse their family members and neighbors are not a measurable standard for acceptance in our society. The parallel world “blacks” care to share from “whites” within our society is no different. We set the standards of our own societies and culture, abuse of women is unacceptable on all levels, it’s up to us to defend those beliefs and not allow other “cultures” to dictate our principles in our lands.
Posted by: Factoid>
“I'm just not sure all this focus on Muslims makes sense logically”.
The logic sits in the fact that Muslim violence lays at the heart of a systematic ideological system.
“Black” ghetto violence already endemic in our society needs to be dealt with at the community and policing level. Indeed Islamic violence is growing at the ghetto level throughout Europe but is infiltrating the governments of all countries (with success) to set policy around those beliefs. Once accomplished they become the police! You need to look no further than Saudi Arabia to imagine the world that would bring our children.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1874471.stm
This is far more dangerous to western civilization in the long term and needs to be a priority focus.
Factoid is an islamist who believes every word his twisted, semi-literate imam spews out at friday mosque. Deflecting criticism from islam by redirecting is part and parcel of the cult - lies, falsehood, libel, everything is good for islamist zealots in their quest to tear humanity down into 7th century superstitious barbarism.
Corollary to he barbaric honour killing practices prevalent in islamic societies is the total absence of Nobel Prize winners or for that matter any sort of scientific or technological advance in islamic societies. Backwards because the word of Mohammed is perfect will always be backwards, no matter how arrogant the adherents of the cult are.