You Just Thought You'd Dodged A Bullet

What a lunatic.

"Government has the ability to make a decision that the private sector won't necessarily make today"

True enough. Like throwing $1 trillion in spending, 70-80% of which is pure pork to be shoveled at democrat interests, giving ACORN $5 billion for more enhanced votor fraud in favor of the dems, etc.

Here's an idea: as the private sector is so bad, why don't we just get rid of it completely, and everyone can work for the government? It worked swimmingly in russia, eastern europe, cuba, etc. Or better yet, why doesn't Lurch donate half or three-quarters of his wife's fortune to the government for "wise" investment the private sector is too greedy to make?

Small wonder this dunce lost to bush. However, there's little difference between his views and the obamessiah's; it's just that obama is more polished in the delivery. Apparently 2008 was a more palatable time for americans to completely lose sense of their history and to happily embrace nationalization of their private sector. That and the influence of collective white guilt, the cult of personality, and media orchestrations.

mhb23re
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Sorry, the only words I can come up with are expletives.

Kind of reminds me of the Librano "Beer and popcorn" quote of a couple of years back.
The Obamunists will ruin the US and bring down the rest of us, unfortunatley!

This surprised me. I thought the caption said Kerry on Texas. But I would bet he probably isn't that smart when it comes to Texas.

Listen to S.Kerry talk about "fear".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FSb7JoxB8o&feature=related

Look on the bright side, Edward. Since "ordinary" Americans and Canadians have many similarities, the tax cut creates a market buying opportunity.

Buy shares in breweries and popcorn farms.

Didn't Iggy and Jack have the same contempt for tax cuts to the middle class?

I STILL think his real name is "Guy Smiley" .....

Commies

It's the neo(new)-liberal "beer and popcorn" philosophy writ large.

When you elect clowns to government office, you should not be surprised when a circus breaks out.

the quintessential socialist--lives off his wife's money!!

Who the hell would vote for Herman Munster?

"There's no guarantee that if you give a tax cut to the middle class that they'll invest it."

OTOH, if you give a bail-out package to GM, you can be almost 100% sure that they're going to run off to Brazil and spend that "stimulus" where they think they'll get the biggest bang for their (ie. OUR) buck.

What he meant to say was "Only a Democrat-controlled Government has the ability to make a decision that the private sector won't necessarily make today."

That is the current thinking of all these acolytes worshipping at The Big Zero's feet.

Buckle up folks, we're in for a rough ride...

Jon Stewart's idea is that the money should be given directly to each American. They will then either spend it (stimulating the economy) or use it to pay down their debt (giving it to the banks who will then invest it in someone/thing in order to make more money) or invest it (so the money is now passed along to someone else to do something with it.)

He figures that's better than simply giving the money to the banks who then hoard it. Even if the money was just used to pay off one's debt, at least the individual is better off now because they aren't carrying debt any more.

You know, ever since he ran for president, all I ever hear coming out of Kerry's mouth is strange high pitched barking noises. Reminds me of one of those neurotic little dogs yipping for someone to pay it some attention and giveitsometreatsrightnow. Doesnt actually care about the owners/taxpayers, just knows that they're the source of the milkbones.

Kerry thinks he makes sense because in his warped, twisted little pea brain he thinks governments have their own money.

Typical socialist . . "What's mine is mine, what's yours is mine too."

"Commies"

Posted by: Paul at February 11, 2009 10:40 AM

Hey Paul, you are dead on, the word is getting out
but too late it will sink into the mass's psyche.

That high pitched whine you hear is Milton Friedman spinning in his grave. It looks like we citizens may have to make literacy and numeracy pre-requisites for holding public office.

"The Big Zero's feet"

Zero-bama...I like it!

I will give Scott reid credit, he mad ethe same argument in less time

Beer and Popcorn.

History will look back on the Obama Years as the Condom Period.

A condom allows for inflation, halts all production, destroys the next generation, protects pricks, and gives one a sense of security while they're being screwed.

Pretty damn accurate, if you ask me.

(BTW, I got this from an American friend & thought it cogent enough to pass on.)

Condom Period ROTFLMAO!!!

They have it down to a science. Speak slowly and clearly, look their victims straight in the eye and lie.

It's working!!

Ooooo ... spoken like a true socialist. Gosh, he sure would make Trudeau proud!

I didn't think American would become MORE socialist than Canada, but looks like that is where they are going.

And they thought Bush was good at breaking the law and breaching the constitution... lol. At least he had the best of intentions (trying to route out terroristst) versus these blooters who are trying to stuff their socialist agenda in through a bill without the need for discourse.

Enjoy your socialist medicare ... it works ---- as long as you are perfectly healthy!

The Fatal Conceit: "Although socialism relies on sentimental and romantic concepts like 'equality' and 'social justice' for its appeal, in reality, says Hayek, socialism is fatally flawed, and it is capitalism that has the greater potential for creating justice and prosperity. The idea that humanity in the form of a more enlightened government can shape the world according to one's will is what Hayek calls the "fatal conceit"."

http://brneurosci.org/reviews/fatal-conceit.html

I just knew I couldn't be trusted with my own money. Thank God there are people like Kerry who knows what to do with it.

What's most distribing is that this guy was once in the lead for potus. And that he seems to actually believe what he's saying.

Tax cuts are "non targeted".

That's right they only target people that actually earn enough to have to pay taxes....

No surprise here. Leftards have always felt government knows how to spend our money, and take care of us, better than we can. Just like capt_bob said earlier in this thread, this is no different than the "beer and popcorn" comment of a few years back by a prominent Liberal.

So, just how do Americans impeach an entire Congress AND Senate AND President?

It's almost too late to work within the system, and a lot of people may think the other option is nearing rapidly. Thus the purchase of ammo. Lots and lots of it.

The best thing to do is get as much info as you can to protect what you have left.

Here is a site worthy of being looked at:

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/

Good luck everyone! As our pal Joe Biden said ... "gird those loins"!

Well at least he was in favour of tax cuts before he was against them...

A solid argument for massive reduction of government power if ever there was one.

To bad Gore & Kerry are both just hetro gigolo’s. If they where gay, don't you all think they would make the most ingenuous couple?

time to award another purple heart: for Kerry taking one for all us peons.

Folks in Massachusettes must have something in the drinking water. Whatever is in that water is doing something real strange to the brain. This Kerry guy is without a doubt one of the biggest idiots in the Senate. To think that many actually voted for this moron to be President,

I guess he just wasn't black enough. Now now. America has a President who is just as stupid as Kerry - only he is black. That really is the only difference.

Back off lefties. That was not a racist comment.

If "we" were smart, Canadian governments at all levels would be frantically cutting taxes and spending in the hope of creating a North American tax haven for American investors and skilled workers to migrate to.

With the power of a very skilled and aggressive investor class backed by the skilled workforce that Canada is lacking today to revitalize large sectors of the Canadian economy, Canada would be placed to enter the world economy as the "Snow Leopard". Celtic Tigers and Little Dragons, watch out!

Since the economy will probably settle and start recovering in late 2009 or early 2010 (barring any more stupid stimulus interventions from south of the border), the Conservative government has the window to cancel many of the provisions of the Canadian stimulus package as the economy restarts, and also has most of this year to sell an opportunity budget for 2010.

Just where in the clip does Kerry say people can't be trusted with their own money?

He merely says it isn't certain they'll invest it in America.

I smell a straw man argument - the tactic of those who misrepresent reality to make spurious 'points'.

Ahh, but real, given their own devices, Joe Sixpack will invest his money where he sees fit to enhance his own interests. As it should be.

What's spurious is to suggest the 'stimulus' package ought to contain more spending measures, versus tax cuts, because the government will spend it where it will have the greatest effect.

And that's the thrust of it. Kerry's implication that government-spent money will have a greater effect vis-a-vis an economic recovery than taxpayer spent money is, in effect, suggesting the people cannot be trusted with their own money. It's little more complicated than two plus two equals four. Deliberately ignoring this fact, as you do, does not make it less true.

"I smell a straw man argument - the tactic of those who misrepresent reality to make spurious 'points'." posted by real at 9:51pm. In Saskatchewan it is called the NDP.

Well, no, Colin from Mission, B.C.

You repeat that Kerry is 'suggesting' people can't be trusted with their own money.

That isn't true at all. You have no basis for saying that Kerry is suggesting it at all.

He's simply stating the fact that you have stated - that people and companies will spend their money in any way they see fit. As is their right.

He says the government spending money towards the problem has a greater chance of being successful because the money is directly targeted toward the problem.

But this does not imply that 'people can't be trusted with their own money'; one can't logically make the claim that that's what Kerry is purposely - or otherwise - suggesting here.

If you have a problem with Kerry's assessment of the situation, argue your point. But to dishonestly claim that Kerry's saying something he's not saying - as you and the creator of this video have done - only damages your argument and makes any discerning reader doubt other claims you may make.

Convert every red penny you can into these new TFSA,legally.The remaing,even if you must pay tax,do it now and get it offshore faster then Katrina came in.I know this does very little for the poor,but should help some middle class.Do you know there are still some fools who think that when they cash in their RRSP's,they are taxed what the rate was the year they put the money in??? HAHAHAHAHAHA.Wrong!!!Fools. You pay at the current rate.

Well real, we'll agree to disagree. I don't agree with your assessment at all. You suggest I am putting words in Kerry's mouth. I disagree. I am making a reasonable inference from what the man has said.

You don't think it's a reasonable inference. Fair enough. I think you're wrong.

Look, this so-called stimulus package is going to be 100% borrowed, meaning eventually the U.S. taxpayer is going to have to pay for it through their taxes. What I am reasonably suggesting is that, since this is the case, the U.S. taxpayer ought to be the one making the decision as to where it should be spent, by and large. Kerry is arguing the opposite point, and the logical implication is that he doesn't trust putting stimulus money in the hands of Joe Sixpack. I do not understand how you cannot make this inference. In my view, it is as I said before, as simple as two plus two.

Furthermore, real, it was largely government housing policies, pressuring banks to lend to those who should not have been lent to, that has led to this crisis. I think it's naive in the extreme to think government knows best how to borrow and spend 800 billion dollars, when their own policies largely created the crisis in the first place.

Colin

Unfortunately - for you - repeating falsehoods doesn't make them any more true. You again insist Kerry's suggesting Joe sixpack can't be trusted with his money. Kerry suggests no such thing.

There is a real debate to be had about whether tax cuts or government spending are the best way to stimulate the economy. That's what Kerry's talking about - he's giving the reasons behind his position.

You have a different position - but you try to strengthen it by purposely mischaracterizing Kerry's words. You have the standard right wing cliche - the Big Brother Liberals don't trust the common man with his money, always think they know best, etc.

You have the cliche, then you grab and bend any quote you can find to substantiate. Yet lost in there is any real thinking, or any real defense of your own position.

I guess if your position could be defended honestly, you wouldn't try to micharacterize the other side to your illusory advantage, huh?

You follow up with the tired myth of what caused the economic meltdown that's been circulating on whacko far-right sites for months now: gov'ts. forcing banks to loan money to poor people (surprise!). Deregulation, and the constant insistence that the markets were god, that they could regulate themselves - the trillion dollar war and the only gov't. to cut taxes during wartime - all that had nothing to do with it, huh? Where do you think all the money came from that was spent over the last eight years, and just who do you think will pay for all those tax cuts? Our grandchildren.

The current crisis owes itself to a lot more than what I've cited, as well. The point is, not every occurence is an occasion for partisan hackery. I have a sense that you don't even realize that you're misrepresenting reality in service to your obsession, and that's troubling.

real - Its fairly obvious that what Kerry is saying is that taxpayers of American cannot be trusted to spend their own money the way Kerry would spend their money. That is why Kerry is against tax cuts. Its the leftard ideology that more government is the answer - not the problem.

Conservatives believe it is the other way around. You can argue till you're blue in the face but that is what Kerry is saying. There is no "mischaracterizing" his words. Listen to his words again but this time take the blinders off.

Posted by: Colin from Mission B.C. at February 12, 2009 1:07 AM

Nice try, Colin, but you're casting pearls before swine.

In real's world, the housing and credit crunch were caused by the Big Bad Capitalist Market. Nothing to do with the CRA, jimmy carter, clinton/reno, and the aggregate of chris dodd, barney frank, franklin raines, b. hussein obama and others, at all.

Because without the dem government strong-arm tactics and guarantees, banks were all too willing to give mortgages to folks out of work, or on welfare, or to over 5 million illegal immigrants, eh?. The banks had no concern about non-payment or default on mortgages, right? Oops... well, not until the dems brought in fannie/freddie to secure the loans and begin the pyramid scheme. Then the banks just did what the government demanded.

This, all for the leftwing democrat "theory" that everyone "deserves" a house. But as we've seen, this just doesn't work. And who did the dems hurt the most with this? The same people they were trying to help (or buy votes from): blacks and hispanics. As with practically all socialist schemes, the results do not help those targeted for benefit.

But to real, this is a "mischaracterized myth". Wise up, man, and do some nonpartisan reading for once. Do you think, irrespective of the war on terror, if there were no government mandates forcing banks to give high risk mortgages to almost certain defaulters on same, with no guaranteed bail-out should they default, that the banks would have granted all those hundreds of billions of high risk loans?

Forget left/right ideology, even for a minute, real: what does your common sense tell you?

mhb

Common sense, mhb, tells me that your partisan hackery knows no bounds.

I mean, you skip right over Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, and go back to Jimmy Carter, whose Presidency ended almost thirty years ago!

I mean, why don't you go back to Grover Cleveland and blame him while you're at it, mhb? He was a democrat too!

As with your Kerry comment, you're just displaying the unchallenged common wisdom of your party. Which is fine for your little community here at SDA, where everyone believes the same thing...

But out in the real world, mhb, your parroting of received talking points just sounds...intellectually empty. And they're testament as to why the world has passed you guys by.

Q: Forget left/right ideology, even for a minute, real: what does your common sense tell you?

A: It tells you nothing whatsoever.

mhb