Now you know why he wants that assault weapons ban;
President Barack Obama will propose raising new revenue through a greenhouse gas cap and emissions trading scheme when he unveils his first budget on Thursday, US media reported.
The budget he will present assumes an emissions trading system will generate revenue by 2012, the Washington Post reported.
Fifteen billion dollars of the money generated would be directed to clean-energy projects, the Post said, citing sources familiar with the document.
Another 60 billion would go to tax credits for lower- and middle-income working families, and the rest to help families, small businesses and communities deal with higher energy costs, the paper reported.
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According to Orszag, who at the time was director of the Congressional Budget Office, the program -- which would force companies to buy permits if they exceed pollution emission limits -- could generate between 50 and 300 billion dollars a year by 2020.
The New York Times also reported that the projected revenues would subsidize research and development of alternative energy sources.
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CTV(tass) still drinking the koolaid, apparently not an analytical mind on staff
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090226/budget_deficit_090226/20090226?hub=TopStories
If I was a conservative US Supreme Court Justice, I'd be getting -real- nervous right about now.
Chicago machine, baby. One of them guys could have a "accident" or something.
Interesting. I bought two copies of "Atlas Shrugged" this year, but only because the first copy used microscopic type. The second copy, of course, weighs a ton.
Al Gore is about to win the lottery.
Too bad the taxpayer is the one that is going to have to pay him.
It's a shame our PM Harper has also drunk the Kool-Aid.
This is the cursed AGW, what a worthless group of dishonest sleaze bags. They are going to re-name everything and claim otherwise. This is the pain up front, no need to get a Congressional mandate, dictator no hope "OBO" aka ZERO
The Nancy P & Reed supporter payback plan (watch the bucks disappear)
The Mortgage stimulus ONLY available in 5 States. California, Nevada, Arizona (3 states with severe Budget problems due in a large part on illegal Immigration). Florida (obvious reasons), and add the only State, Michigan that deserves help.
Oboma Payback to IL
2 Billion for a nuclear power plant (watch the bucks disappear)
let the taxation begin, let the poverty reign supreme. The poor will get get poorer, their energy costs, food costs - all the basic fixed costs of life will rise big time.
Greenie social justice ... screwing the poor
Banning Assault rifles in America is a great idea. Just look at this as a stimulous program: for every third world arms dealer. Does anyone think that the drug gangs in Mexico only go to gun shows in Butthole, Kansas to stock up? Hugo Chavez probably has a catalogue being printed right now with some great prices on genuine Russian AKs, not cheap Chinese knock-offs.
btw, the "great idea" thing was sarcasm.
Goodbye recession, hello Great Depression II.
"The budget he will present assumes an emissions trading system will generate revenue by 2012, the Washington Post reported."
I expect the term "revenue neutral" to become part of the American vocab. Surely these "revenues" will not be coming from the existing revenue sources, because that wouldn't be "new" revenue would it. Will Peter ever grow tired of supporting Paul?
Even though it is morbidly costly, there is nothing more entertaining than stupidity in action.
Obongo and company are about as stupid as I have ever witnessed and this is only the first act.
Now if Canada has any sense we will start attracting these American Investors as fast as possible.
This is an Obamatunity for us.
This mulatto is gona cause CW II ,,,,,
Gona take my lunch brake and head over to Uporia Gun Sales and buy some more ammo, .45's, .44's, 30-30's, 7.62MM, and a 40 pound sake of potatoes, whew doggy, me and boys made a Stainless Steel Tator-Gun last year that use Women's Hair Spray as a fuelant, it can shoot a 2 pound potato around a 100 yards. Don't stand in front of it when it goes off, LOL
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http://bluegrassbulletin.typepad.com/bluegrass_bulletin/2008/11/guns-bullets-sniper-fire-corruption-murder-obamas-attorney-general-eric-holder.html
Watch the cost of living rocket thru the roof. (power cost)
Yep the poor are going to get creamed again. So watch wefare payments increase to keep the poor happy. Then more taxes for that. America is going to get shafted for sure.
How the heart yearns for a Vaclav Klaus.
America will rue the day they elected the socialist from Chicago.
These four years won't just be long; they'll be devastating.
I always liked Anthem, myself. Short, to-the-point, and it scared the hell out of me when I was 14. Read it.
Wow, Obama's emissions cap sounds a lot like Dion's Green Shaft. What has happened to America?
Don't lie to me Ratt. You bought your ammo back in the summer. :)
I thought we might actually see a small rally fire up the broad markets, but then along comes Obama's announcement that he wants to raise taxes by up to $1 trillion, and that's not including his carbon tax proposals. Sure enough, the market rally turns sour.
Who is John Galt?
Aren't the Russian's manufactoring fully automatic AK-47/74s in Venezuela. Of course, these drugs cartels won't get those because the Mexican gun, gang, and drug problem is caused by los Gringos.
TC
"""Chavez probably has a catalogue being printed right now with some great prices on genuine Russian AKs, not cheap Chinese knock-offs."""
why buy Russian AK's when you can buy good quality M-74's, made in the USA:-)))))
Prentice's emissions cap will look alot like Dion's Green Shift. I thought conservatives had been elected in Canada.
A carbon tax is a carbon tax is a carbon tax.
Yeah.......Liberals/left/Democrats always take a default position on gun control.
They recoil from seeing weapons---symbols of individual sovereignty---in the hands of private citizens. It interferes with their ideal of power that, intheir view, ought to belong exclusively to the state. They have a phobia to liberty.
They ignore history and are perhaps doomed to repeat it. The War Betweem the States (Civil War) was not that civil in that they guys from the hills, with their squirrel guns contributed little. Rather the military resources, men and material, were the primary factor. Civilian firearms did not really enter the equation.
Watch carefully, they will figure that out and move rapidly to disarm state National Guard units....setting the stage for a Lexington and Concord situation....
Alchemy, astrology and AGW.
All fake sciences used to fleece the unsuspecting from their money.
"Who is John Galt?"
Well, according to this website gone horribly wrong:
What Obama means to John Galt
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This Marxist clown's anti-business policies got me laid off. My thanks to all you *ssholes who confused the U.S. Government with American Idol and voted for the "hawt" guy.
Yes - bann assault weapons by all means, And start with passing legislation banning massive tax increases and deficits.
Uzis are not banned. Will Pelosi join the NRA? Gunowners still have votes, too.
What will Rahm do now? Become Rambo?
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"Pelosi tosses cold water on assault-weapon ban
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tossed cold water on the prospect of reinstating the assault weapons ban, highlighting Democrats’ reluctance to take on gun issues.
Attorney General Eric Holder raised the prospect Wednesday that the administration would push to bring back the ban. But Pelosi (D-Calif.) indicated on Thursday that he never talked to her. The Speaker gave a flat “no” when asked if she had talked to administration officials about the ban.
“On that score, I think we need to enforce the laws we have right now,” Pelosi said at her weekly news conference. “I think it's clear the Bush administration didn’t do that.”
Outside of the dig at the recent Republican president, that phrase is the stock line of those who don’t want to pass new gun control laws, such as the National Rifle Association.
The White House declined to comment on Holder's remarks, referring reporters to the Department of Justice. The DoJ did not respond to The Hill's request for comment."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2194697/posts
all must share the misery equally. all except the ruling class. i thought the colonies fought a war against this shit. it will soon be time to start the killing again. it would seem to be the only cure for terminally stupid people.
I envision ribbons of blue steel traversing the heartland of America. Roaring blast furnaces and a booming economy.
Why? Finally we have a real POTUS and not some feeble-minded half-wit sabre-rattling Bush league bankrupter running the country.
"when we are sick in fortune ....often the surfeits of our own behaviour"...
According to Orszag, who at the time was director of the Congressional Budget Office, the program -- which would force companies to buy permits if they exceed pollution emission limits -- could generate between 50 and 300 billion dollars a year by 2020.
That's if there are any companies left to do the paying.
This is excellent news for assault weapon manufacturers, distributors and retailers.
Stimulating, even.
During his campaign, The Messiah misspoke to Joe the Plumber. What he is actually doing is spreading the poverty around.
The Messiah has chosen to boil the American middle class frog. If he wishes to avoid an uprising, he has to squash the middle class quickly. Destroying the dollar will accomplish that.
Just reread the scene in Chapter VI in Atlas Shrugged with the head of state, Mr. Thompson, Wesley Mouch and a bunch of other scoundrels, before they implemented the Directive No-10-289 which was the Moratorium on Brains. Mouch keeps saying, "I need wider powers".
Kinnan the labour leader says: "If there aren't any rules to this game and it's only a question of who robs whom--then I've got more votes than the bunch of you, there are more workers than employers, and don't you forget it, boys!"
Shaken, I'd say Obama is doing what he can to CREATE the collapse of the U.S.A.
So much easier for, say, the U.N. to step in and be the 'world government'.
I read Shrugged back in the early 70s and I have tried to live my life on the principles outlined in that great novel. So far so good.
the Obongo administration is the antithesis of Rand's philosophy and it is doomed ... or we are.
I suggest you all read and give it to someone else to read as well.
Most Americans bought their arsenals right after the election. At least the ones who love freedom did.
Fortunately the Left, with it's pathological fear of firearms didn't ... they blew all their dough on lattes.
the Right will win if push comes to shove.
The part from Atlas Shrugged that I expect to see come to pass shortly was the "freeze" on bonds and bond payments. Shortly after President Bambam quasi-nationalizes BAC, Citi, etc., you can be sure he'll stop making payments on their bonds, except, of course, "in hardship cases". Then, just as Rand predicted, an entire "de-freezer" industry will develop, where slick men with connections will get certain bonds "unfrozen" (subject to fees, of course). Those without access to defreezers will sell their bonds for pennies on the dollar to those with access, whereupon those bonds will skyrocket in price.
How frickin' sad.
I read Atlas Shrugged during a trip to Mexico years ago. By what I'm reading here it doesn't seem that conservatives have a very good understanding of the central theme.
It is anti-communism not anti-Liberal. It is about triumph against all odds. It is about rising through worth and work. All these things are possible as a liberal and being governed by Democrats.
You conservative rightoid rightards mistakenly make the leap that liberals, socialists and communists are the same. Wake up from your slumber and realize. This is just another reason why conservatism is a clogged toilet.
"This is just another reason why conservatism is a clogged toilet."
I guess that makes you a turd that won't flush!
'There will be blood' - Niall Ferguson
http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090223.wferguson0223/BNStory/crashandrecovery/home/?pageRequested=all
h/t Neo at the halls
"It is anti-communism not anti-Liberal"
You say that as though these two things are different. That may once have been true, but the newest crops of "liberals" are indistinguishable from communists. Everything that's been happening in the last few months should be more than enough to assure you of that fact.
"It is anti-communism not anti-Liberal"
You say that as though these two things are different. That may once have been true, but the newest crops of "liberals" are indistinguishable from communists. Everything that's been happening in the last few months should be more than enough to assure you of that fact.
Is it just me or does any else see the irony in the headquarters of the National Geographic magazine being located in a Washington DC, a city that derives 100% of its electricity from two generating facilities powered by OIL.
Atlas Shrugged was about Egoism. It was about the realization that all are not created equal. It was about recognizing the real value of the few who take risks and innovate, and how all benefit from the risk-taking, innovative capitalists working in their self-interests. The proof was in the pudding, when that producing class went on strike.
Communism attempts to extinguish the individual. Socialism attempts to substitute an artificial system of productivity distribution in the name of 'social justice'.
Each of these systems fails to recognize the fundamental truth that people act in their self-interests. This is an ethic that is deemed criminal in communist regimes, and politically incorrect in socialist regimes.
In the plot of Atlas Shrugged, the producers voluntarily withheld their output. There's the rub - producing is voluntary, and absent incentive, extinguishing it leads to social failure, to the detriment of all.
When not otherwise intellectually occupied with the fabrication of elaborate conservatism/toilet analogies, perhaps not-stirred-enough can describe to us all how we will recognize that golden moment when we have finally achieved 'social justice'. Is it when we all eat the same gruel? dress in identical grey uniforms? exhale no CO2? Are dead?
Yes, Liberals, Democrats, Socialists and Communists along with those living under totalitarian regimes are almost indistinguishable as one leads to the other.
It is a natural progression fueled by the simple fact that none of it works and therefore by increasing the philosophy and all the pain and suffering that goes with it will eventually lead to success. That success was well described by Shaken. Posted by: Shaken at February 26, 2009 4:06 PM
"we will recognize that golden moment when we have finally achieved 'social justice'. Is it when we all eat the same gruel? dress in identical grey uniforms? exhale no CO2? Are dead?"
John:
Don't forget Fascists, the stage at which the US is quickly heading to.
Personally, I've not read Atlas Shrugged.
Government is useful and does have a place in the life of a civilized people. In a free democracy that place is the enforcement of contracts and defending the nation from hostile forces.
We past the point where government is useful a while ago, like maybe right after WWII and in fact are getting beyond where government is merely in the way. Dion's Green Shift would have completely screwed this country economically, even the Conservatives watered down version will be a bad thing. I don't want to think about Dalton's plans for my province, its going to be ugly.
But the Americans are now entering the territory where government is actively dangerous to them.
On the bright side, if one can call it that, Nancy Pelosi just said the house DemocRats have no interest in pursuing a new assault weapon ban. It puts no money in their pockets and it killed Algore in 2000. Nancy would appear to have less faith in The One's ability to part the waters than The One does.
Americans, call your congress critters. Scare them.
Ratt -- Do you think your potatoe gun could shoot fish heads? If so, you need to get down under and help those Aussie shark fisherman.