Y2Kyoto: Google It!

Two and a half years ago, a google of *Global Warming Hoax* brought up just a few hits.

With this (from sda) usually being near the top;

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Kyoto is the biggest Hoax the world has ever seen. Kyoto was born in Oak Lake, Manitoba in the 1930's. Maurice Strong, yes a Canadian, is the Grandfather of Kyoto. From Stockholm to Rio to The Earth Charter to The UN to One World Governance, MS and his "ideas" are what the Kyoto Protocol is all about. The first hint of Kyoto surfaced in the 90's while Maurice Strong was Chairman of debt-ridden Ontario Hydro. Out of the blue OH purchased a rain forest in Costa Rica. Many millions. Some were outraged. Where and the hell did this idea come from !! MS countered, it was to off-set OH's emissions. What many at the time did not realize was the power and influence that the man had in world affairs. He liked NGO's, The UN, Environmental Activists and other non-elected organizations. Was Paul Martins life long mentor. Google Maurice Strong and you will see why we have the Kyoto Hoax and how the scam was able to engulf the world. It would, however never have got this far without the help of the MSM. This is the puzzling part for me. The best explaination I have found is on Patrick Moore's (co-founder of Greenpeace) website, Greenspirit. Look up "Hard Choices for the Environmental Movement". The Earth's climate has always been changing. It is not about science.It is a belief. That is why the big promoters like Gore, Suzuki, Chretien, Martin will never debate it.

Posted by: B. Hoax Aware at May 29, 2006 1:08 AM

From sda May 28, 2006
Poor Man's David Suzuki

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I am glad it has been relegated lower - not even in the top 200 out of two and a half million. (got tired of looking, ha !)

The world is catching on - thanks to blogs.

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/004043.html

test your vision. . . can you detect it ?

http://tinyurl.com/9q2jny

Sweet...finally an easy way to decide science..just let the people and google do the work. This is genius... :S

Think of the low cost housing and medical advancements and child poverty and hospitals and schools and disease reduction and roads and bridges and meaningful energy reduction and the many other things this stolen money that Algore and Suzuki were responsible in part for, could have gone into. Things this world needs. Not another FRAUD, perpetrated by the fraud artist from Oak Lake.

Bartinsky: What stolen money, what are you talking about? Low cost housing doesn't get built because people would rather make money off of high priced housing, child poverty has been around a lot longer than this whole climate change issue...nothing was or is stopping it from being solved other than a lack of desire.

You're not going to laughing when all of our crops start dying off due to global warming. What are you going to tell your children then? Mommy and daddy were just too lazy and selfish to do anything about it when they had the chance!

add "child poverty" to the meaningless oxymoron list.

Puddin n Pie: How is "child poverty" an oxymoron?

An oxymoron (plural oxymorons or, more rarely, oxymora) is a figure of speech that combines two normally contradictory terms.

A child (plural: children) is a human being between the stages of birth and puberty.

Poverty is the deprivation of common necessities such as food, clothing, shelter and safe drinking water, all of which determine our quality of life.

"You're not going to laughing when all of our crops start dying off due to global warming"

We're in Canada, you doofus. You may not have noticed, but it gets pretty damn cold up here. An increase in average temperatures would be a boon for agriculture in Canada. If AGW is real, then bring it on!

Izanpoo
"IF" the world is warming would this not be better for our cops and farmers in the north.Would this not in turn make longer growing seasons so farmers would be able to grow more than one crop per year?
I think you had better stop watching to much gore and fruit fly videos.

Alex: Droughts certainly aren't going to help. The Dust bowl can attest to that.

Since people seem to like to look in their backyards and call it the global climate, here's what's happening where it's summer.

Droughts, floods and heatwaves as global temperatures rise
17/12/2008 10:52:00 AM. | AAP

Parts of Australia endured some of their driest and hottest years on record in 2008, while it will likely go down as the planet's 10th warmest year on record, the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) says.

Releasing its annual statement on the global climate, the Geneva-based world weather body said climate extremes - including floods, persistent droughts, snow storms and heatwaves - were recorded in many parts of the world.

While Arctic Sea ice dropped to its second-lowest level since satellite measurements began in 1979, regions such as southern Australia experienced long periods of scorching temperatures.

Adelaide endured 15 consecutive days of maximum temperatures above 35 degrees, its longest-running heatwave on record, while Victoria had its ninth driest year since records began, the WMO noted.

"These conditions exacerbated severe water shortages in the agriculturally important Murray-Darling Basin, resulting in widespread crop failures in the area," the WMO said.

Conversely, several significant rainfall events affected eastern Australia early in the year, causing major flooding, particularly in Queensland, while widespread heavy rains across most of the continent in November ended an extremely dry period in central Australia.

Climatologist Andrew Watkins said while things averaged out over the globe, overall Australia had been warmer than the global average, adding that recent rain events were welcome but more were needed to break the drought.

"There are some good signs at the moment going into next year for Australian rainfall - as to whether that will end the drought is another thing because we need need many years of rainfall to catch up in our dams," Dr Watkins told ABC Radio.

"You're not going to laughing when all of our crops start dying off due to global warming. What are you going to tell your children then? Mommy and daddy were just too lazy and selfish to do anything about it when they had the chance!"

Something tells me that "Izanpo" is only slightly above the age of being able to procreate (perhaps only mentally/emotionally, though).

Keep reading and regurgitating the feed though, we're better off suffering you than have you sneaking around undermining and corrupting stuff that real people care about. It's quite amazing how human brain development can be arrested yet still convince itself that it's correct. Ya gotta get 'em early before that critical thinking thing sets in.

All lefty planners know this, it's a perquisite for joining the club. Hint: recruit only those dumber than you, or at least dumb-down the smarter ones.

Me, I like to hang around with people that are smarter than me, hoping that intelligence will get transferred perhaps by osmosis or something.

My IQ of 183 doesn't prevent me from hanging out with the really smart kids.

Ghia ignores climate models and the EU ... Russians to blame.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,477856,00.html

We import most of our fruits and vegetables. Now you could say, well, we'll be able to grow our own, however, climate change will not turn unfertile land fertile.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/01/08/peter-foster-climate-rains-on-aussie-drought.aspx

Oh crap, I mis-typed and accidentally moved a decimal point. It's actually 18.3 (Fahrenheit, though).

This is much more appropriate number for a knuckle-dragger like myself.

Sydneysiders are being told to get ready for a warm one today, because a heat wave is hitting the city.

The mercury is expected to soar above 40 degrees in the west, while in the city it'll be a milder 31 thanks to sea breezes.

Forecaster Elli Sparks says the heat has swept across Australia.

“We’ve got this mass of very hot air right over NSW and it’s been coming to us all the way from Western Australia and the north west (of the country),” Ms Sparks said.

http://www.livenews.com.au/Articles/2009/01/06/Heatwave_hitting_Sydney_today

And the rivers are likely to be packed again today, with a maximum temperature of 37 degrees expected on the Border and 35 degrees in Wangaratta.

The heat wave is predicted to continue into next week.

Tomorrow’s expected maximum of 26 degrees at Wangaratta and 28 degrees on the Border is the lowest predicted peak temperature for the cities until at least next Tuesday.

http://www.bordermail.com.au/news/local/news/general/river-a-haven-from-the-heat/1401475.aspx

Thanks Nemo2 @ 3:34. Great article!

Hey Izapoo, I am a farmer, I know a little about the process. The money that you and your ilk waste on the non-existant problem if it is yours, is no problem. When it is tax-payers it is my business. Tell your mommy and daddy that you got sucked into every scam, and thats why your broke dufus.

Pacific Dictates Droughts And Drenchings

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/01/040129072151.htm

Bartinsky: What money are you talking about? What tax dollars of yours are currently being wasted on climate change?

Hey Deeznuts- let me pick-up a comment trail from a different thread.

Frenchie77: Scientists aren't in a position to call Al Gore out, that's not what they do. The media not calling him out has nothing to do with the science. Why would I go to BBC, CNN, or any other such media outlet for scientific info when I don't even go to or trust them for news on current events or politics.

Man, you are a real piece of work!!

So, here are you telling me that you don't trust the media for science, and then promptly post a media piece chalk full of BS. To what end???

Look, as I've tried explaining to other AGW zealots, it's hard for me or anyone to believe that the "science behind AGW" isn't zhit when the mouthpieces are nothing but!

But, you're not really interested in that, are you? You've got your membership in the church of the month club and will parrot whatever you are told.

Besides, you forgot to mention in your post, that some AGWers say that increased temp will put more moisture in the air and create more storms and more rainfall. While others say droughts will become more common, frequent, and severe. Seems to me that the "science" is just as full of it as the mouthpiece.

Its an interesting spectacle to watch the melt down of this Ponzi scam, with its hysterical acolytes. Its even funnier to watch all those who invested so much emotionally in this nest of lies panicking as the money ship sinks with any belief in there lies. The desperation is like milk & honey, as is there idiocy being exposed for the money scam it was from the beginning.
All one had to do is look at the names of the boosters of this fairy tale.
All the biggest names in money, trolling for carbon credits to sell. The UN , who with the oil for food (guns) was perhaps the prime crime for money in human history. Its was not as mistake but as carefully planned as any bank heist. Its like selling dreams with no overhead. No product just free money for a made up climate bogyman. Turning a needed gas by tree’s like co2 into arsenic. Than changing the narrative in the middle from GW to another code word climate change. Well news for them. The climate is always changing. Weasel words for a criminal enterprise.
The World was here long before us, & no doubt will be here when the human race moves on.
We are mortal mites on the face of the Planet, not godling’s with superpowers.
JMO

Frenchie77: The articles I posted did not claim any scientific conclusion...they merely summed up the weather. Where do you see any "BS" in those articles...please, point it out. None of the articles even mention the words climate change or global warming.

More moisture in the air is inherent in warmer air temperatures...the higher the temperature of air the more water it can hold...that is fact. What I've heard is that more frequent high intensity rainstorms in some areas are expected and more frequent high intensity droughts in others. It's both, not either or.

About 47 years ago, when I was living in South Australia, a guy, up around Marree or Oodnadatta, or somesuch, placed a tongue-in-cheek ad in the paper, something to the effect of "Rain gauge for sale, 7 years old, never been used. Might work as a dust gauge".

Revnant Dream: I don't see climate change dispearring, where are you looking? No one is arguing that the earth is in trouble...they are arguing that the earth that supports us is in trouble...and thus we are in trouble.

No scientist has ever implied that CO2 is evil...that's why you shouldn't get caught up in the media hype.

deezflowers

"""""Bartinsky: What money are you talking about? What tax dollars of yours are currently being wasted on climate change? """"

now why did you go and do that, here I though you were just uninformed, but you prove me wrong by proving yourself intellectualy challenged.

Even if the gov't only spent money doing studies tax dollars were spent, is the gov't goes beyond studies, which it has, there is a greater chance of moneys wasted, and there has been a lot of money wasted, as in sooozoookeys tax free status while pontificating on political issues, which is against the rules. So pay up sooozoookey, I want my tax dollars returned!!!!

Deeznuts,

I may have missed it, in which case I apologize, but did you let us know when the climate was stable?

"We import most of our fruits and vegetables. Now you could say, well, we'll be able to grow our own, however, climate change will not turn unfertile land fertile.
Posted by: Deezflowers"

But we already have lots of fertile land whose only limiting quality is the short/cool growing season.

Guys, guys. Look again at Kate's post here. Now press 'reset'.

She never mentioned any dissyflowers.

Deeznuts:

What is up with all the references to Australia? Anyone who knows anything about climate knows when la Nina conditions prevail Australia suffers. However, when La Nina conditions prevail (like since mid 2007) the globe also cools.

GYM: studies? You think studies constitutes a large portion of your tax dollars? You ellude to the gov't doing more, but that's as far as you go. So what else, other than studies, does the government throw away your money in the name of climate change?

Kathy: you missed it. The climate is relatively stable by definition, it is weather that is not. The climate has been stable for the past 10,000 years, allowing us to prosper.

"Weather is the day-to-day state of the atmosphere, and is a chaotic non-linear dynamical system. On the other hand, climate — the average state of weather — is fairly stable and predictable. Climate includes the average temperature, amount of precipitation, days of sunlight, and other variables that might be measured at any given site. However, there are also changes within the Earth's environment that can affect the climate."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change

"Although Modern Man had developed long before the migration from Africa began ∼ 55,000 years ago no agricultural societies developed until about ∼ 10,000 years ago. In the next 5,000 years agricultures developed independently in at least six regions of the world. It is virtually certain that it was not a chance occurrence that so many new agricultures appeared in the same 5,000 years. What inhibited agriculture world wide for 44,000 years and what changed ∼ 10,000 years ago? Here we suggest that a major factor influencing the development of agricultural societies was climate stability. From the experience of four cultures we estimate that the development of agriculture needed ∼ 2,000 years of climate free from significant climate variations on time scales of a few centuries. Using the Empirical Mode Decomposition technique specifically designed to exhibit the time history of the amplitude of variations in non-stationary time series such as climate proxy records, we find that between 50,000 years ago and the termination of the Younger Dryas ∼ 11,600 years ago there was probably no time span as long as 2,000 years that was free of relatively large century scale variations. Furthermore variations on these time scales appear to have been relatively small since the Younger Dryas (YD) ended, supporting our proposition concerning the importance of climate stability in the history of human culture"

http://www.springerlink.com/content/38514g144160220j/

Dr Watkins, Australia's Dr Suzuki.

Dirtman: No, we don't have a lot of fertile land where the only problem is a short/cool growing season. The season's won't change with climate, they are a result of our position on the globe. Most fertile land is in the prairies, where springs and summers are warm enough for good agriculture, other than that fertile land is at a premium, BC doesn't have a whole lot, and in the east it's contained to the St. Lawrence flood plains.

"Oldjim (09:07:30) :

Oh I love this one http://icecap.us/index.php/go/political-climate

“Britain’s wind farms have stopped working during the cold snap due to lack of wind, it has emerged, as scientists claimed half the world’s energy could soon be from renewables. The Met Office said there has been an unusually long period of high pressure across the UK for the last couple of weeks, causing the cold snap and very little wind.

Since Boxing Day much of the country has suffered sub-zero conditions with frozen rivers and lakes and even the sea in the south of England, at Sandbanks in Dorset. In the last few days temperatures in southern England plunged as low as 17.6F (-8C). However the weather is expected to warm up over the weekend, with wind speeds also picking up. But sources in the energy industry say that the lack of wind has caused the country’s wind farms to grind to a halt when more electricity than ever is needed for heating, forcing the grid to rely on back up from fossil fuels or other renewable energy sources. “"

"Mid-Winter Report Card
10 01 2009
Mid-Winter Report Card
Guest post by Steven Goddard

We are almost at the half way point for the meteorological winter (December through February) and it is a good time to evaluate how the NOAA CPC (Climate Prediction Center) and UK Met Office winter forecasts are doing so far. As seen below, CPC forecast the highest probability of warmth for Alaska and the upper midwest"
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/10/mid-winter-report-card/#comments

Prediction: 'THE GORE EFFECT"

"The Coldest Weather Possible In Nearly 15 Years"
http://www.accuweather.com/news-top-headline.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&date=2009-01-09_21:55

Makes me wonder whether Mr. Gore will be in Washington a week ahead of the Innauguration.

Holy Cripes. It's going to +40C in Aussiland. Like it never got that hot in Canuckistan in summer. Oh wait,it IS summer in OZ!!! Who woulda thunk?

OH yeah.And cue the eco-nuts/Goracle cultists that it's time to start screaming about the Anarctica iceshelf melting,seeing as it is also summer there and getting warm!

Retreating Glacier Fronts on the Antarctic Peninsula over the Past Half-Century
A. J. Cook,1* A. J. Fox,1 D. G. Vaughan,1 J. G. Ferrigno2
The continued retreat of ice shelves on the Antarctic Peninsula has been widely attributed to recent atmospheric warming, but there is little published work describing changes in glacier margin positions. We present trends in 244 marine glacier fronts on the peninsula and associated islands over the past 61 years. Of these glaciers, 87% have retreated and a clear boundary between mean advance and retreat has migrated progressively southward. The pattern is broadly compatible with retreat driven by atmospheric warming, but the rapidity of the migration suggests that this may not be the sole driver of glacier retreat in this region.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/308/5721/541

deezflowers It's called summer. Much of Oz is desert. It's summer..in the desert.

I think what has happened is that alot of these climate change belivers have bought alot of ocean front property in arizona from Al Gore and are now praying that he is right about climate change so that it will bring up the value of these properties.
"LOSERS"

I believe it is summer in Australia right now. It is often warm then and can even be very warm. No need for alarm. The warm rising air will hold the sky up.

Speedy: Yes, I know it's summer, I stated that in the first post with an Aussie weather report. It was supposed to be a contrast to the cold weather reports here in the northern hemisphere causing people to some how link that to negating climate change.

"The average surface air temperature of Australia has increased by 0.7 °C over the past century. [3]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Australia

The average temperature for January in Sydney is 25 degree celsius.

"The mercury is expected to soar above 40 degrees in the west, while in the city it'll be a milder 31 thanks to sea breezes.

Forecaster Elli Sparks says the heat has swept across Australia."

"Parts of Australia endured some of their driest and hottest years on record in 2008, while it will likely go down as the planet's 10th warmest year on record, the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) says."

What's all this BS about "the planet has been cooling for the past 10 years"?

Brain:

"Anyone who knows anything about climate knows when la Nina conditions prevail Australia suffers."

Actually, it's El Nino that gives rise to droughts in Aussie...maybe you don't know so much about climate?

"Rainfall is highly variable, with frequent droughts lasting several seasons thought to be caused in part by the El Niño-Southern Oscillation."

http://australiasevereweather.com/links/temprec/sydney.htm

Sydney: January

Highest Maximum temp: 45.3 on 14/01/1939

Highest Average temp: 33.7 on 13/01/1896

It's weather.

Nemo2: I would call the highest maximum temp and highest average temp "extreme weather". Under that notion, the current heat wave would constitute as extreme weather.

And changes in the ocean waters are caused by the sun.
Not mankind.

Yawn.

rockyt: Hey, we need to tell the scientists! "Stop, no need to do your work, rockyt has it all figured out"

Deeznuts
Dont worry the scientists giving up on AGW!
Thier finding out it is just another enviro SCAM!

Hey, we need to tell the scientists! "Stop, no need to do your work, rockyt has it all figured out"

That's pretty funny, since it's the alarmist crowd who pretend (against mounting evidence and relying mainly on the output of some seriously flawed climate models) that they have it all figured out, that there's a 'consensus' which means we should all shut up and accept what Hansen and Suzuki say (on pain of imprisonment), and that cranking back and forth on the CO2 dial is all you need to 'regulate' climate and stop it from changing (whatever that means).

Fortunately, if various signs like Google searches are any indication, the public may be starting to get wise to the high priesthood of watermelon charlatans and their anti-science garbage.