The segment with Gilbert shows him and another doctor badly faking chest compressions and other life-saving measures on a live boy faking death in what can only be described as political theater. The video claims to be filmed by the brother of a Palestinian teen that claims the boy was one of two purposefully killed by a missile fired at them by an Israeli drone as they played.[...] CNN editors who swallowed the story of the poorly-acted video unquestioningly—no doubt because it fit the anti-Israeli narrative familiar to CNN viewers and critics—have now pulled the video without explanation, correction, or retraction.
It has also been determined that the videographer who filmed his brother's "death" is the general manager of a company that hosts web sites for Hamas.
Fake but accurate! While the video is gone, the story remains up at CNN.
The video:
Now why doesn't this surprise me. What does surprise me is the MSM fall for this tactic time and time again.
On a different topic Ezra Levant caught this one. Liberal blogger justifies the use of human shields by the Hamas.
http://the-mound-of-sound.blogspot.com/2009/01/yes-they-use-human-shields.html
What are these loons smoking to write this!
It really doesn't matter what any blogger says. Israel is the overwhelming military power in the middle east...they are dropping 1 ton bombs on a heavily populated civilian area that has been largely cut off from any supplies including food, water, and medicine for 5 months +
I don't know if there's much more that needs to be said...oh, they got all those bombs from the US...and the tanks, aircraft, and helicopters.
Gee, fake "news" on CNN? I'm shocked, simply shocked I tell you.
It isn't like this is the first time for these dorks either. I seem to remember them admitting they aired Saddam's propaganda un-cut and un-commented upon because otherwise they'd get kicked out of the country... and have nothing to show on TV.
I guess video of a fake dead kid is better than no video at all, eh? After all, they've got 24 hours x seven days a week of air time to fill.
At least it was video actually made in Gaza, and they didn't film it on a Hollywood back lot with actors from LA. Like a certain Big Three network did with a certain exploding truck.
Have no fear, if you missed CNN's broadcasts of lies old count Lloyd and OwlOliver will re-broadcast it in its entireity tonight with up dated footage of the size of Bre-Xs's mine holdings, and a "Pam Andersons breasts are natural story". Stick a fork in the MSM.
Yes, Deez, they are the overwhelming force.
Makes a person wonder why anyone would want to piss them off doesnt it?
"Israel is the overwhelming military power in the middle east...they are dropping 1 ton bombs on a heavily populated civilian.........."
So if it were the opposite you would be quite happy I presume? And if you were to defend your family after months of rocket bombardment, you would bring out your flyswatter I'm sure.
"Israel is the overwhelming military power in the middle east..."
Then it's pretty stupid of the Paleosimians to poke them with a stick(Kassam rockets) don't you think?
"oh, they got all those bombs from the US...and the tanks, aircraft, and helicopters."
You'd be surprised how many tanks the Israelis got from surrounding Arab nations when they were poked by these Arabs on previous occasions. Of course the tanks weren't up to Israeli standards so they converted them into APCs.
Sane people, after so many martial defeats, would have left Israel alone by now, but these Arab crazies are counting on the fifth column in the West to bring them a victory that they can't win against Israel on the battlefield.
5th Estate = 5th Column
The same kind of manipulation goes on in all our MSM on almost ALL topics, whether it be the left's hostility to Sarah Palin, the smooth ride given to Obama, our own MSM's hostility to Harper and so on.
But, as noted, even though one or more videos may be fake, even though one or more events may be totally re-interpreted, the reality is that Israel is bombing a densely occupied area, and that not all the people affected by this war, are members of Hamas.
Deeznuts, actually because the USA has so many dorks like you, Israel makes most of their own munitions and vehicles. Merkava tanks are made in Israel, and they are extremely efficient for the job. They do buy aircraft from the Yanks, but then so do we. Its hard to make your own jet fighters. They used to buy Mirage fighters from the French, but that was back when Egypt was buying MIGs from the USSR.
Bombs are 500lbs. and laser guided to withing a few inches of the target. Like maybe six or so inches. 1 ton = 2000 pounds, those they use for busting reinforced concrete underground bunkers. They hardly even make a ripple on the surface when they go off because they penetrate the soil by sheer kinetic energy and only explode when they hit an open space. The explosion is designed to destroy the bunker, not to make a huge frickin' hole.
Of course if the bunker/tunnel happens to be stuffed full of missiles, explosives, RPG ammunition or such like, THEN there will be a big frickin' hole in the ground. At which point you have to ask yourself, what kind of barbarian a-hole puts a tunnel full of munitions under people's houses with kids in them? The answer is the Hamas/Fata/PLO kind.
Incidentally, that PC you're typing on there, if it has an Intel processor, it was designed in Israel by JOOOOOS! Better throw it out the window or you'll get Joooo cooties on ya. D1ckhead.
I may be wrong, but I think I saw the green helmet guy in the video.
Wonder when Flat Fatima will make her appearance?
As an emergency responder and reviewing the CPR, I have to say I would fire the person doing it if they did it that way in Canada.
All that CPR is accomplishing, is to make the kid puke.
"Israel is the overwhelming military power in the middle east..."
With the neighbours they have this type of fire power is a must.
I propose that such MSM fakes be designated as "Fauxtography" as suggested by a letter writer to the Post.
(P.S. Anyone know what those Israeli munitions are that airburst and then shower down? Seen a lot of pictures of them detonating and they probably aren't flares as they use them in the day. Just curious. Maybe our online arms expert Deeznuts knows.)
Really, what is the world coming to when a harmless community organization like Hamas can't fire off a few thousand rockets at random into Israel, hoping to kill a few Joos? [/sarc] I genuinely feel bad for the LEGITIMATE innocent bystanders who happen to get caught in a crossfire, but what does Hamas think is GOING to happen when they fire their missiles and mortars from backyards and schools?
ET, yes the IAF is bombing a densely populated area. They are doing it magnificently too, at a level of marksmanship which approaches miraculous.
The -reason- they are bombing a densely populated area is because that is where the terrorists are shooting from, and where all the munitions are hidden. Schools, hospitals, mosques, homes.
That, as I'm afraid you will have to admit, is not the IDF's fault. They are scrupulously following the rules of war. Punctiliously, I would venture.
Hamas is doing quite the reverse, and there is no excuse for that. Its evil, and they need killin'.
Go Sabras!
Israel is the overwhelming military power in the middle east...they are dropping 1 ton bombs on a heavily populated civilian area that has been largely cut off from any supplies including food, water, and medicine for 5 months +...oh, they got all those bombs from the US...and the tanks, aircraft, and helicopters.
I never understand what the point of posts like this is intended to be.
That equality of combatants is the preferred scenario for any conflict - presumably leading to a drawn-out and bloodier conflict? That an advanced Western society should do all it can to not get too far ahead of a medieval foe stuck in the 7th century? That said medieval foe isn’t using cell phone, satellite phones, the Internet, and other Western technologies not only not of their making, but so far in advance of their capabilities as to be beyond conception in their tiny “if Allah wills it” minds?
Would weaponry from China and Iran be preferable, assuming of course they have anything left over from what they’ve been shipping to the terrorist organization known as Hamas? Did you know that in the past the Palestinians have previously received bomb-making components as part of their humanitarian aid packages (substituting potassium nitrate for sugar and fertilizer with sulfuric acid for flour)?
Tel Aviv, by the way, has a denser civilian population than Gaza. I look forward to the Leftist emoting over that.
You've got to love the sheer stupidity of CNN removing the video but leaving the text. The real measure of an organization's competence is how they solve their problems.
Dumbasses.
They may not all be members of Hamas, but the majority of them elected Hamas, condoned Hamas's intentions, and supported Hamas's actions.
It's only when THEY become the focus of attacks that we hear the "Poor us" wailing.
^5 Chuckles at phantom. Hypocrisy and stupidity sometimes go hand in hand, but mandatory ni the leftist mentality.
Deeznuts at 10:01 AM
I have a suggestion for you that maybe you can convince the Israelis off, tit for tat, Hamass fires one of those sewer pipes over the fence, Jews randomly through back a 10,000 pound daisy cutter. Fair enough for you?????
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It's been a long time since I took my first aid coarse, but porko and his CPR just cracked me up
CNN, just a bunch of lefty losers
The Phantom: I'm Canadian bro. And don't fool yourself...the weapons come from the US. Israel doesn't have to pay for them either when they have funding from the US. The country with more military force than the rest of the world combined and Israel is going to get some of their munitions from France?
Whatever Gaza is, according to the international court, Israel is occupying it:
In July 2004, The International Court of Justice delivered an Advisory Opinion on the 'Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory'. The Court observed that under customary international law as reflected in Article 42 of the Regulations Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land annexed to the Fourth Hague Convention of 18 October 1907, territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army, and the occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.
The State of Israel raised a number of exceptions and objections,[9] but the Court found them unpersuasive. The Court ruled that territories had been occupied by the Israeli armed forces in 1967, during the conflict between Israel and Jordan, and that subsequent events in those territories, had done nothing to alter the situation. 'All these territories (including East Jerusalem) remain occupied territories and Israel has continued to have the status of occupying Power.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupied_territories#West_Bank_and_Gaza_Strip_after_1967
Depleted uranium found in Gaza victims
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?
id=80443§ionid=351020202
Dershowitz on Israel and Proportionality
http://opiniojuris.org/2009/01/03/dershowitz-on-israel-and-proportionality/
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/arti...lt-on-gaza.html
http://www.zmag.org/zvideo/2961
nemo 2 - It's like blaming All Canadians for elected Chretien. Palestinians voted for Hamas rather than Fatah because Fatah had become totally corrupt, while Hamas was focusing on providing social services to the people. That is, people didn't for an ideology; they voted for immediate local assistance. They weren't getting it from Fatah which was busily taking all the international funds for itself.
I'm not sure of your point, Mississauga Matt. Tel Aviv isn't under attack.
My own view is that this attack will simply inflame more youths to join Hamas and other militant organizations.
You do know that Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, and all they got for their troubles were more terror attacks?
You do know that prior to 67 Gaza was "occupied" by Egypt? That Judea and Sumaria were occupied by Jordan? Please find us the "International Court's" ruling on that.
You do know that Egypt has a security fence along its border with Gaza, under which the Pals have dug tunnels that strangely can only transport weaponry but neither food nor medical supplies? Please supply the "International Court's" opinion on that too.
Those air bursting munitions look like time fused 155mm artillery smoke rounds. Hamass cant shoot if they cant see.
Umm, isn't the doctor in the glasses Dr. Mads Gilbert? Seem he's rather well known for some interesting political views . . .
ET: If Mr Chretien had run on a platform, (similar to that of Hamas's Charter), where his avowed intent was to, say, 'obliterate the US', and he had already begun firing rockets across the border, is it possible that he might not have enjoyed quite the majority he received, (social programs notwithstanding)?
I wonder what will happen when Obama takes over? Will the lefties still blame the U.S. for everything,even at the peril of being called racist?....Anyways,back to the media. Yesterday the BIG story was about the UN stopping aid because da joos were making it way too dangerous.Unfortunately,the other side of the story,like the videotape of Hamas using UN ambulances as troop carriers,was never shown or mentioned.
The "point" about Tel Aviv is that I'm just prepping the even-handed Leftists for the day - which will be soon - when rockets fall on that city.
Wow! another video out of Palliwood. The MSM - dumb-dumber-dumbest.
Should Israel stop blasting the Gaza - absolutely not. After years of rocket launches into their territory they have all the right to finish Hamas off. No need for them to pay one iota of attention to the MSM and the fans of Hamas in any country that are denouncing them for this latest escapade.
Eventually, no matter how many slurs and insults you throw at people or countries, it is human nature to thumb your nose, people get immune to the name calling. That is what is happening here in Canada. We are called racists pigs, red necks etc.etc.etc. Do we care - not any longer. It's like water on a ducks back. Keep throwing the s@#t and we cease to pay attention to you. Before you know it, we will be exactly what you call us.
I hope Israel finishes this damn job and goes after Lebanon and Iran post haste.
ET: Also, to repeat a comment I posted on another thread, I was first in the M.E. in 1963 and was informed by numerous Syrians, Iraqis, etc, at that time that they were going to invade Israel and "Kill Jews", so I fear your comment, ("My own view is that this attack will simply inflame more youths to join Hamas and other militant organizations."), is somewhat redundant, they don't need inflaming or encouraging.
The Pallywood productions coming out of Hamasistan are a disgrace. Poorly shot, easily fisked and over the top.
Where's Green Helmet Guy when you need him ? The crews in Hisbollahstan are laughing their well used asses off, the Iranians are apoplectic because they paid for this crap and the Arab world's "street" bemoans the level that their propaganda has sunk. You'd find more depth in parking lot puddle on a hot July day.
Good catch rat. I wonder if he's a CNN contributor now?
Deezenuts, you may not be aware of this, but Wikipedia is not a trustworthy source of info for contentious issues. There's a thriving cottage industry of jerks modifying the articles to suit their own view/agenda/perversion.
The Uzi machine pistol, the Galil rifle, the Merkava tank, and a whole buttload of parts, electronics and munitions (including air to air, air to ground missiles, artillery ammo, bombs, seeker heads, lasers, blah blah blah) are made IN Israel. Its a national policy to source as much of their war kit as possible at home, because too many times the international community has cut them off from supply... but not their opponents. Recently, I might add, not in ancient times. I remember it.
I fail to see why you and the rest of the Left leaning crazy people in this country have a problem with hunting down and killing guys who fire missiles and mortar rounds at tanks from places where civilians are hiding.
Hamas does not act in any way to protect the people of Gaza. Rather the put them in peril as a means of defaming the Israelis. That's some pretty expensive propaganda, don't you think?
And then there's this little datum you've ignored. Hamas couldn't even scrounge up a real wounded kid for this video! If things are as bad as y'all say, there should be busted corpses and dying kids all over the frickin' place. But here's the Paliwood Propaganda Production in full swing, tanks are blowing sh1t up, airplanes are bombing the hell out of everything, and they can't even find an actual wounded kid? Come ON!
Gee, maybe they're LYING about the dire horror? Maybe the IDF is driving around NOT killing, maiming and destroying everything in sight? Maybe you're being taken for a sleigh ride by a bunch of guys who'd sooner see you dead than talk to you?
Consider the possibility, eh?
CNN was opining on the lack of professional credentials of "Joe the Media Rep." His goal is to go talk to avarage Israelis. Doesn't it seem odd that an org. like CNN would feel average people should not talk to average people.Lose the hairdryer and the makeup and would she have a job?
Where's the sanity shown by anyone trying to explain away any crazy sect or movement firing rockets into a neighboring state?
There's no way on earth any country could ignore being attacked like this. Now we have all the bleeding heart Left weeping and wailing about the killing of Palestinians. Killing Jews OK, killing Palestinians bad.
Has anyone of the 'informed' people here heard of any time the Israelis have used their own women and children as human shields?
Time to wake up and realize what we're dealing with and realize how unlikely it is there can be any permanent resolution without policing the region for the long haul.
So the israeli's get sme weapons from the US...and Hamas gets some weapons from Iran and Syria....whats the point?
That Israel dominates the region militarily....whats the point, Iraq was the dominant power for awhile in its neighborhod, now it is Iran....whats the point?
The embargo is also put in place by Egypt. But more importantly, if you dont do an emnbargo then you have to engage in military actions if a neighbour is engaging in threatening behaviour. So which is it, until hamas is willing to negotiate, embargo or military all the time?
End of the day, the Gazans need to accept that Israel will exist and stop firing rockets.....do those two things and tomorrow is completely different world. How hard is that to accept. In both cases these are "free things" in that acceptance of Israel's right to exist and the seccation of rocketfire cost the population nothing.
Not everything Israel does is correct but this hardly constitutes anything beyond the norm in the region.
BTW, if 100 Paelstinian prisoners = 1 Israeli, the last time the exhanged prisoners it was about that, then fatal casualties are running disproportionately against Israel right now.
SDC, I do not think that there are any innocent bystanders in Gaza. For any criminal enterprise to flourish, there has to be some kind of implicit or explicit agreement with the host community. If a criminal gang is intolerable, you either move away, or you get them to move away. The fact that Criminal organizations like Hamas and Fatah have existed in Gaza for decades, tells me that the residents of Gaza want them there.
I think the people in the West Bank are the ones who actually get it here; they are simply going about their business, going to work, taking care of their families. As for the people in Gaza, the only conclusion I can rationally come to is that they are living the lifestyle they want to live.
When Obama takes over and continues to carry on US foreign policy, many leftard heads will explode.
Change? Ha.
Any time I listen to Obama speak, the only change he speaks about is a return to personal responsibility.
Personal responsibility is hardly the underpinnings of the delusional left.
When Obama comes out and says Hamas extremists were responsible for provocation, millions of heads will explode.
I'm no expert but a few things do seem out of whack besides the CPR.
I'd think that if that rooftop, with "scores of women and children", was hit by a rocket, there'd be more damage than pock-marked walls and more than 2 deaths.
I've never seen a funeral procession in Gaza that didn't involve a cast of thousands parading through the streets, the body aloft.
I thought drones by definition were pilot-less. With or without a pilot, are they capable of firing rockets?
Set you free said: "When Obama comes out and says Hamas extremists were responsible for provocation, millions of heads will explode."
No they won't. Nobody is going to hear him say it. CNNABCNBCCBSCBCCTVBBCAlJazeera will show it one (1) time, at 2AM. Then it'll be back to the fake wounded kid.
"SDC, I do not think that there are any innocent bystanders in Gaza."
On the whole, I'd agree with you, but those children who end up being maimed or killed because uncle Mo decided to launch a Kassam out of his back yard or schoolyard clearly don't deserve to die for it; uncle Mo clearly does.
Remember Mason, when he was interviewed years ago by some news outfit he was asked about Iatolla Komani's crap in the middle east he said drop a bomb level the place and make a parking lot out of it. At the time I thought god what a dork, now I'm starting to wonder if he was on to something, harsh but well????????? the other pete.
"I thought drones by definition were pilot-less. With or without a pilot, are they capable of firing rockets?"
Yes, Kathryn, the newer drones are, the Predator for example. These aircraft are piloted completely by remote control, and can be controlled by their ground operators on the other side of the world; the highly-successful Predator strikes in Afghanistan are controlled from California, with flight and weapons commands being relayed through satellites. Besides Hellfire missiles, these aircraft also have laser designators, so that they can point a laser at a given target, and laser-guided munitions like bombs, missiles and artillery shells will home in on the source of laser backscatter off of the target.
Ctv newsnet just had a reporter telling us how there are now over 700 dead,and about 200 of them are children.He also noted that western journalists are not allowed into Gaza. These figures are supplied by Hamas and should be taken with a very large grain of salt.By my reckoning,4 days ago there was 400 dead,35 which may have been civilians.Since then,if you believe the latest report,more than half the deaths have been children.The IDF appear to be targetting children. I don't think so,however I do think the 200 children lie will be reported over and over.
Deeznuts:: you are citing Press TV Persian branch as credible source for facts? Fact is the Persians are supplying the rockets to Hamas and that they are stating that "Norwegian medics" are the source for the "depleted uranium" diagnosis, PLLEEAASSE!!!!!
Yes, ET...it is terrible that Israel is dropping munitions on heavily populated areas. But, please remember:
- they are essentially at war. When a neighbouring country / territory / whatever lobs 3000 rockets into your country, they have effectively declared war. Hell, they even have it written down in their own Charter that they want to eliminate Israel!
- Hamas is the "duly elected" REPRESENTATIVE of the Gazan populace...get it? They REPRESENT them and act ON THEIR BEHALF. When the world was at war with Germany / Japan, Germans and Japanese were the enemy and many "innocent" Germans and Japanese were killed. In war, every war, civilians are killed.
- as for dropping bombs on populated areas, what about WWII London, Berlin, Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, etc. and ad nauseum? Where were all of the hand-wringers then when all of that was going on?
- I believe that the Geneva conventions require that combatants wear uniforms, keep their forces away from civilian populations and not use civilians as human shields, etc. Hamas is violating the Geneva conventions...where is the outcry?
Your mechanistic / logical academic "analysis" of the Middle East situation just doesn't adequately take into account the emotional / religious / cultural aspect of the situation. In my opinion, these Gazans have been thoroughly indoctrinated and brainwashed into a WHITE-HOT, SEARING, SEETHING HATRED of Jews and this has been going on FOR GENERATIONS! Giving them (the "Palestinians") the land and governmental autonomy (in my opinion) WILL NOT make ONE IOTA of difference to them...their HATRED has completely twisted them to focus on death to the Jews regardless.
nemo2 - a generation ago, before the occupation, and yet while there was still no sign of a Palestinian state, sure, you'd get people saying they'd like to 'kill Jews' because of what they felt was an incursion into the area. Just as you get Israeli settlers saying they want to 'kill Arabs' and I'm sure you must realize that settlers do feel and say such things. They are human on both sides of the issue.
But the youth of Gaza, who are for the most part, under the age of 20, have no experience of anything other than occupation, and, since Hamas took over right after Israel left Gaza, of the Israeli blockade. And, still, no Palestinian state. They are ripe for recruitment because of this.
Kevin in SK, your theory then assumes that All Canadians are co-conspirators in Chretien's Adscam. And because we didn't leave Canada, we are as guilty as all the Sponsorship guys.
By the way, it is extremely difficult for a Palestinian to 'move away' from Gaza or the West Bank. Where would they move to? Who would accept them? How would they finance the move? Remember, they aren't citizens of a country; they only have 'travel documentation'.
The people in the West Bank don't 'get it'. And I have to ask - Get What? Get that Israel has no intention of enabling a Palestinian state? The people in the West Bank aren't just 'going about their business, going to work'. You ignore that the settlements and the Wall have in many cases denied them of their farms, their work - and even, getting to work in another village or in Israel.
The people in Gaza couldn't 'go to work' because their few industries were primarily fresh fruit and vegetable produce destined ONLY for Israel, and some furniture manufacture. When Israel closed the borders to all but humanitarian imports and to ALL Exports - in 2007 and 2008, that ended their ability to 'go to work'.
The ME situation, which includes the I-P situation, and Arab fascism, and Iranian imperialism, is NOT a simple binary framework of Israel good; Arabs bad. It's much more nuanced and complex than that, and I feel it is unworthy of us in the West to move into such game-playing scenarios (ie, going to a football/hockey match and rooting only for one side).
The ME is not a sports event; the causes, the people, the agendas are complex; are filled with levels and levels of cultural and historical narratives which 'outspeak' each other, are contradictory, are multiple, are often incompatible with each other even within the same group - and I think that we can't protect ourselve from these complexities by any simple conclusion of X-good and Y-bad.
SDC,
Thanks. A quick look at Wiki says Predators are weapon-equipped but it doesn't show that Israel uses them. I did find, again through Wiki, that Israel uses Herons but it doesn't say that they are weapon-equipped.
I remain skeptical, not only that a drone fired a rocket at that building, but that a rocket was fired at all.
ET- A generation ago you might hear people saying they want to kill Jews?
Try hopping into a taxi in Calgary, and asking the driver how to solve the Palestinian conflict. 9 of 10 will say "kill all the Jews". Anybody on the streets of any big Canadian city on 9/11 saw middle eastern people cheering and screaming allah ackbar.
Are you of German descent by any chance? I had an interesting conversation with one of my son's friends last night. He commented that nuking Israel would solve the problem. I was taken aback at first, but remembered his dad is the son of a German POW that stayed in Canada after the war. Old habits die hard.
Your apologistic attitude isn't changing anybody's mind, I'm afraid.
ET seems to have made some progress in understanding that there is zero prospect for a "Palestinian" state, probably due to the wise words of our DJ Vitruvius (even though I've been making the same argument since first coming here 3-4 years ago). But of course, without the gravitas.
BUT, she continues to retail the bogus and slanderous charge that Israel failed to "enable" such a state. I consider this charge to be -- I have to say it ET -- out and out, certifiable moonbattery. This is classic leftism -- seeing vicious genocidal aggressors as underdogs and passive victims without moral agency.
As others have pointed out here and elsewhere, ET, your approach is too academic, too esoteric, too cerebral. This is what I've meant in the past by referring to your lack of "street smarts" on this issue.
And, that's being kind.
The air-bursting "munitions" are called parachute flairs. They are flares which shoot outward and rain down slowly to light up a large area to enable more precise attacks instead of blindly shooting in the dark.