The Great Grit Split

hahahahahahahahahaha, I am pissing my pants laughing, they have drawn and quartered the liberal party, sort of like the split in the terrorist hamas group. The anti-semites have no place to go except to the ndp, and that leaves......three liberals trying to fundraise for their party.

rarely in an organization is stupidity limited to just a few individuals. it requires cooperation and a mindset by a great many people.
Since Mr Ignatieff has not wanted to "clean house"
in the murky world of his party, he will suffer the consequences.

Iggy's reluctance to clean house reminds me of the old farmer who discovered that someone was stealing gasoline from his storage tank. He called the RCMP who could do nothing except make a suggestion. If the old farmer took most of the gas out of the tank then laced the remaining gasoline with sugar the old farmer would know who stole the gas by the stalled car on the highway.

The old farmer thought for a bit and replied, "What if they are my friends?"

Jews voted 80% Liberal last election, as they have for generations in Canada and elsewhere.

You are suggesting the party of Irwin Cotler, Eddie Goldenberg, Jerry Grafstein, and numerous current Jewish MPs representing Jewish ridings is antisemetic. You have to truly despise Canadian history, politics, and truth to speak such nonsense.

A party whose leader outsourced what is and isn't offensive to Kate's fellow neocons at the CJC.

A party with numerous Jewish MPs, a party whose recently departed leader's wife's grandfather spent WWII in a concentration camp.

A party which counted Elinor Caplan as one of its MPs, who was last seen calling Conservative supporters "KKK members" and racists, sort of like what you are doing to your political adversaries.

You are the stupidest person on the planet and this is the stupidest site ever known or conceived of. The Jewish community overwhelmingly supports the Liberal Party of Canada and there is a "tsunami", as our symbolically minded friend Bernie Farber likes to say, of data proving that well beyond doubt, the 2008 federal election returns being most notable.

Let's do the crazy math:
3 way split on Coalition 'thinking',and multiplied by disagreement over who to hate(Jews or hamas),plus broken loyalies for their main man.Head explosions indeed!

BTW with Chan gone from beaurocracy its agood start to get rid of all those libbers in Ottawa. Hope Prime Minister Harper cleans up more.

Ummm, Samuel Cohen - you should take a breath and calm down while you rant, otherwise your spitting will ruin your fancy monitor!!

Let me just say this, there are lots in the jewish community that seem to hate the jewish community. Don't take my word for this, Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn have done numerous, fact backed, and well-written pieces on this point.

So between your crazed keyboard bashing, calm down, take your meds, and read a little.

Dear Mr Cohen With respect, I do not think that the Liberal party is anti-semetic. What I do think is that Mr Ignatieff needs to identify those in his party who are sick and warped and get rid of them. Many political leaders are faced with people in thier party who are less than acceptable and good leaders "clean house".
In Mr Ignatieffs case he needs to disavow these people and while he is at it he can boot those identified in the Gomerey report because thier presence in his party is harmful to him as well.
It's nothing new to have to re-invent a culture
of integrity. But, the effort has to begin at the top.
Although it's hard not to preach about ethics and morals I suggest to you that individuals do not act alone.
Your comment about % of who voted for which party I leave to you simply because I don't segregate ethnic votes.

Well Sam, guess that shows that your fellow Jews have been hoodwinked, doesn't it?

The Liberals supporting those who do truck and trade with the very people who would destroy your race.

I think it has been proven overwhelmingly that the Jew's best interests lay with the federal Conservative party.

At least they stand up for your people, unlike the Liberals, who continually pay lip service to support for Israel.

Please ask Irwin Cotler's wife what she thinks of the situation viz antisemitism within the Liberal party?

Great work Kate...as long as we keep them herded into these easily identifiable cults it will make the body IDs easier when they commit mass intellectual suicide. That will happen when the first Hamas terror cell strikes a Canadian Jewish target and they continue to defend the Palestinian/Hamas victimization narrative.

Samuel Cohen: Guess which party (parties) the "Kill the Bloody Jews" protesters in Canadian streets vote for: hint - it's not the Conservatives.

Read some of your Liblogs to get a full sense of your problem there, bud.

Samuel, when you have Liberal MPs like Denis Coderre marching in Montreal in support of Hamas killing Israelis and "wiping out Israel", exactly how blind do you have to be in order to believe your nonsense?

That "liberalsonline" site has another term in their uRL: "feedcluster".

I get the cluster part, but shouldn't the first part of the term go to the end, and shouldn't it be a different verb beginning with "f"?

this wouldnt be the same UN that had observers in lebanon telling hezbollah where the isrealis were would it? nah, say it aint so.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090114/israel_UN_090115/20090115?hub=TopStories

I'm curious about something: Where does it say that the best interests of the Jewish people are one and the same with the best interests of the state of Israel and that the two are inseparably bound?

Because of your link I just took a look at LibLogs.ca. The first posting was this one: http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/2009/01/no-surprise-here-harper-not-trusted-to.html

Those on the Left truly live in a fantasy world completely contrived in their minds.

To this blogger I left this msg:

Hmmm ... a poll conducted by the National Union of Public and General Employees finds very unfavourable views towards the Conservatives.

Yes, yes, it just MUST be accurate!

And now you're quoting it like it's a solid fact. Then another LibLogs voter will quote you ... and so on ... and so on.

ROFL (at you & your ilk)

"4. Alghabra has called for the total abolition of Canada's anti-terrorism laws; and

5. Alghabra was stopped at the U.S. border and searched and fingerprinted -- whether that was by reason of demographic profiling, or because he was on a watch list is uncertain. What is certain is that Alghabra turned it into an opportunity to gain media face time, Maher Arar-style, as an anti-American, anti-security mouthpiece.

I say again, I don't know whether it was Alghabra or Usman who made the offensive comments about Islam taking over, Islam being on the march, etc., etc. (in a nomination meeting in a church, no less). I really don't care if it was Alghabra or his sidekick. Neither of them belong in Canada's parliament. I would say that neither of them belong in the Liberal party, either, but these days it's probably more accurate to say that they do belong there -- it's Jews like Gerald Schwartz and Larry Tanenbaum who no longer belong there."
Ezra

Edward, the enemies of Israel make it clear that they are not interested in eliminating Israel alone, they want to eliminate Jews, period.

Posted by: Samuel Cohen at January 15, 2009 10:01 AM

Into the jaws of the Dragon Mr. Cohen. I admire your courage for speaking your mind to a, well shall we say less than receptive audience. It has been my observation that it would take the efforts of some numbers of months to make a dent in their thoroughly propagandized minds.

There are some people who contribute to this site who are quite well educated and capable of seeing issues beyond the confines of black vs. white. You just haven't heard from them on this subject yet.

I used to know another fellow with the same surname as yours. Founder of Central Trust. Fortunes of the company aside, an extraordinary man in my view.

Courage? Samuel Cohen isn't his name, and he's posting (as usual) through a proxy. pffft.

pffft. is a legitimate argument?

I should be so lucky with my detractors.

So what is his name?

Wow Bugger, is that your idea of a smear job, unless you are well edukatid you can't really see the nuances of an issue? Sorry if we leap to the conclusion that you are just a typical, smug liberal of our elite ruling class condescending to communicate with us downtrodden masses and put us in our proper place.

Please hurry back to Versailles, I believe your name has been called to be next for the Guillotine. Enjoy your chicken in a basket or in your case, your head.

Edward, the enemies of Israel make it clear that they are not interested in eliminating Israel alone, they want to eliminate Jews, period.

I think it's safe to say that islamofacists are bent on the destruction of everyone who isn't one of them.

So therefore the enemy of my enemy is my friend?

"So therefore the enemy of my enemy is my friend?"

Not at all; however, Israel is the sole democracy in the area, while everyone else rules by car-bombings, assassinations, and other assorted thuggery, and that makes Israel the vastly-superior choice to any other possible alternative given the players involved.

Posted by: Dave at January 15, 2009 2:52 PM

Besides yourself, who is it exactly that you wish to impress?

When you can offer something resembling a logical position, I would be pleased to consider it. Until then, I will leave you to the consequences of your own ignorance.

Mindless attacks do not detract from logical positions.

pfft, is not an argument. Who is Mr. Cohen?

Back it up, or shut it up.

"Back it up or shut it up".

Indeed.

I too would like verification that 80% of Jews vote Liberal.

"Samuel Cohen": the CJC are small-l liberals. They hate neo-cons. That's why they hate me, Mark Steyn, Ezra Levant etc.

Use your real gentile name in your next post.

Samuel Cohen: If that be you true signature
Keep telling yourself this as the Islamic hordes pour in. With the attendant European Jews fleeing Europe, a Continent under Jihadist thumbs.
All this while in the Canada's, the CJC & other censorship groups worry about toilet Nazis who are shut ins. Meanwhile Islamics are invading the streets with a display the4 real Nazis would have enthusiastically approved. The MSM was like the silence of the Lambs. As for the police, no help there. They take there directives from Politicians. Harper votes against every Country on the UN Human rights board for Israel. The only one. Think long & hard on that. Would Iggy have, or just abstained?

Use your real gentile name in your next post.

Posted by: Kathy Shaidle at January 15, 2009 3:58 PM

Breaker Breaker one nine, I think we got us a convoy.

"Into the jaws of the Dragon Mr. Cohen. I admire your courage for speaking your mind to a, well shall we say less than receptive audience. It has been my observation that it would take the efforts of some numbers of months to make a dent in their thoroughly propagandized minds.

There are some people who contribute to this site who are quite well educated and capable of seeing issues beyond the confines of black vs. white. You just haven't heard from them on this subject yet."

Hugger, sounds to me like a silk stocking leftist waiting for his fellow intellectuals to arrive like Robert McClelland or maybe New so he can carry on a proper discussion. Maybe you can clarity what exactly you are trying to say from your logical position.

UN headquarters in Gaza City hit by Israeli artillery

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/01/14/gaza-thursday.html

Alright old chaps, just the fortunes of War.

One word. Thornhill.

Strongest jewish concentration in Canada.

Now has elected a federal CPC candidate after years of easy Liberal victories.

Proof. Meet Pudding.

Jews are leaving the Liberal party. Not in a day, not in a year. But slowly and steadily. The older ones can't change so easily but the younger ones definitely are.

By the way, the other group leaving the Liberal party are the Hindu. Watch for this.

Posted by: Dave at January 15, 2009 5:02 PM

Davey boy, I learned a long time ago about listening to people who attempt to manipulate other peoples thoughts, and I'm not inclined to call Nanny 911. Regardless of whether she may or may not wear silk stockings and or lipstick.

File that one under "Knowing The Enemy".

It took me about 2 years (after 9/11) to convince my parents, who had been life long voting Liberals, to give up on the party. I showed them the Liberal record of abstaining at the UN for Israel votes, I sent them all sorts of editorials by pundits right and left, we studied the Toronto Star together, etc etc and they finally came around.

My anecdotal evidence is that secular Jews tend to be small l-liberals and vote NDP or Liberal, while non-secular Jews get it as far as Islamic terrorism goes and tend to vote conservative.

circa. WWII:

Shipload of Jewish refugees seek sanctuary in Canada. When informed of their request for landing rights in a Canadian port the prime minister of the day mused: "A SHIPLOAD of Jews wants to land in Canada, you say? I say chaps, even ONE Jew, is one too many!"

Any guesses on who uttered this racist garbage?

I think it was the guy who ran Canada during the Second World War, through consultations with his dog, and in long drawn out seances with his dead mother.

I think his initials would be William Lyon McKenzie King, or some such yahoo thingee. He's still a pretty big mucky-muck on the Liberal Party of Canada's Pantheon of all time great PM's.

Cohen? Of the Rabbinic tribe? THIS is the party to which you swear your fealty? Don't be such a schvantz. Don't be such a schnorrer. Don't be such a putz, especially don't display your glaring stupidity in public like this, where all the world can see you and larf their effing arses off, at you.

tj

t.e.&o.e.

Hugger The Useless Nations have done nothing to promote calm and peace in Gaza except to trash Israel . Maybe one of these "accidents" per day until the UN does something other than flap their collective gums would motivate Ban Ki Moon and his band of clowns to actually do something.

As for the photo of the goofy kid lecherously ogling [not very PC-ish I might think] the unfortunate young woman with barely enough clothing to keep her warm in these northern climes? when I first saw this sorry Kodak Moment for the Great Hunter's trophy wall, out of reverence for my late, great mum, the Pony betting princess of broke, I thought...I said to myself, "Self, that there is a natural Tri-fecta of boobs! Yowzah!!"

tj

t.e.&o.e.

Ex-lib... I wonder when it will dawn upon the secular jews that the fundamentalist Muslims who hate jews on principle don't really care whether they are secular or not. Arguably, they may hate the secular jews more, as they at least share some common values with the orthodox jews.

My contact is mostly with secular or minimally secular jews, mostly immigrants from Europe. Most voted liberal for a generation after coming to Canada, but a majority have switched to the CPC in the past decade.

They mostly were European refugees from communism, so part of the change may not be related to Israel issues but rather to the increasingly evident evolution of the Liberal party into a socialist party. This is o one group who is very familiar with "public justice committee" etc, and are very wary about things like our HRCs.

My impression is that Canadian-born jews are more firmly committed Liberal and NDP members, but that this is changing. They are definitely deserting the NDP in droves, while the Liberal party departures are slower - more a matter of attrition.

I know of no CPC voting jews who have switched their loyalty to the Liberal or NDP. None.

Trying to punch over your weight little man?

Posted by: Rob C at January 15, 2009 7:16 PM

What is your take on what our peace keepers accomplished in the Balkans under the flag of the United Nations?

The UN accomplished precious little.

NATO, using a bombing campaign that killed not a few innocent civilians by the way, forced "peace" in that land.

If the UN was fully in charge of the Balkans situation, they would still be burying each other in mass graves.

Those who argue that the Liberal Party is no place for the racist and/or anti-Semitic kooks should be asking themselves why these kooks gravitated to the Liberal Party in the first place. Rightly or wrongly they had the impression that it was home for them.

I see also the standard claim that Jews vote Liberal and yet I have found to evidence that this is fact. I am aware that American Jews are on a whole much more liberal than Canadian Jews, so there is some evidence that they tend to vote liberal (Democrat). However the large majority of those I know in BC are much more conservative. I do not deny that there are secular Jews who are die-hard leftists and who, like all other leftists, will not be deterred by facts. They are indeed a sad bunch.

If the UN was fully in charge of the Balkans situation, they would still be burying each other in mass graves.
Posted by: Lori at January 15, 2009 8:01 PM

And which side of the conflict did you associate with? Looks like you had a side.