Regina Urban Reserve Squashes Competition

This is tough. I am 100% in favour of small business as the hero of our economy. I am 100% in favour of any First Nations business endeavor particularly if it is not something that promotes addictions.

First Nations citizens are at a cultural, and, from my limited understanding of the legalities in the case of collateralized loans, legal disadvantage with respect to starting up small businesses on reserves.

There is not a high per capita First Nations representation in the business owner demographic in part for the same reason there is not a high per capita Chinese representation in the extensive farming demographic. It has been my experience that small business and extensive farming most often arise from a lifestyle rather than formal education.

Other than what the government is doing how can they facilitate getting First Nations businesses and individuals into the entrepreneurial world that we ostensibly want them to join?

The only thing I can think of is getting small business people to mentor First Nations people to take over their businesses with government assistance and guarantees to both parties such that the small business people who need help with their business exit strategy can become allies with First Nations people and expedite win-win transitions.

The UAE is our future.
You have Nationals and you have TCN's (Third Country Nationals). Inquisitive minds will look into what that means.

Bottom line... no justice for all, economically or otherwise.

The Saskatchewan Government Policy on Urban Reserves is basically moving the province to be one big Reservation and reducing the tax base to zero.
Infrastructure, Schools, Social Services all require taxes to construct and support. The diminishing tax base I feel will eventually force the Non-Native taxpayer out of the province just because of the tax load.
I guess only time will tell!

The Recent Manitoba Appellate Court Ruling (Re: Smoking) actually identified the Non-tax, non-regulation status to apply to any business operated on the Indian Reserve "land". The Indian act (per the Manitoba Court) does not prevent the Band from Leasing land to anybody.

This opens a door for import/Export business, not unlike Hong Kong. Canada Wide Reserve franchises like Alcohol Sales, Car sales etc.. to both the Non-Indian & Indian owners as long as the business is located on a Reserve.

The sky is the limit!

With this unfair business practice promoted by government, it won't be long before the only place a small business person can make any money is in the tax-free underground economy.

This native advantage is divisive and will prove to be a bad idea. There will be consequences.

I see no reason why natives cannot join the rest of society in a fair business environment ...

Or are they too dull-witted and incompetent to learn how to compete on a level playing field? That is the message this sort of thing sends. If that is true, then all natives belong in government.

That said, business should be left to the 'other' society .... you know ... white folks who have no privilege and who will compete. I would include immigrants in that group, but I think they are receiving a lot of privilege under the multi cult banner.

It seems the sun is setting on white Christian culture. Perhaps someday in the future, the people of a completely 'persons of color' planet will be studying the reasons why such an enlightened, productive and creative race managed to vanish.

I believe all the municipal taxes are paid just as any other business does.

"I see no reason why natives cannot join the rest of society in a fair business environment ..."

I can see at least one.....

"Or are they too dull-witted and incompetent to learn how to compete on a level playing field?"

"That said, business should be left to the 'other' society .... you know ... white folks who have no privilege and who will compete. I would include immigrants in that group, but I think they are receiving a lot of privilege under the multi cult banner.

It seems the sun is setting on white Christian culture. Perhaps someday in the future, the people of a completely 'persons of color' planet will be studying the reasons why such an enlightened, productive and creative race managed to vanish."

The underlying issues aren't being addressed in Native affairs...either way though, I don't see how we could ever pay back for what was taken from them.

"The underlying issues aren't being addressed in Native affairs...either way though, I don't see how we could ever pay back for what was taken from them."

Deeznuts, I agree. And going even further, we should shut down anything created by the white man and return Gaia to it's natural state, thus purifying ourselves and possibly salvaging our collective Karma.

As the true villains and source of all ills in the world, it's the least we could do.

You can help, too! Tossing your computer into the garbage would be a great start!

I loved (not) the piece about the aboriginals not paying education tax but still sending their kids to school.

PiperPaul: Who's that straw-man you're poking fun with?

Deeznuts

I think we have given the natives of North America a hell of a lot more than we may have 'taken' away from them. Starting with the wheel and ending with a fault-free, tax-free, food-abundant, life including about 12 Billion other people's dollars annually.

Natives have never had so much opportunity for a full rich meaningful life in a modern world full of wonder.

That is equivalent to taking a primitive people to a new and far more advanced planet and welcoming them with open arms.

But Nooooooooooooooo ....

That's not good enough. We will NEVER be forgiven to the natural expansion of the human race to the 'New World'. And we will never be able to turn back the clock.

It is like the "What of Lazarus" episode in the original Star Trek. Two men tapped in hand to hand combat for all eternity between two realities. One bent on destroying it and one bent on saving it.

Whose side are you on?

This is just another form of welfare for Natives. In BC they do this all the time I an told by my sister. A guy opens a gas station in town, three moths latter a "Native" business opens up right by them. Because of the tax breaks, subsides, (coming from the fellows own taxes)paid labor by Government & they run the other station into the ground. After this is done the other business usually fails shortly after until they can set up another scam for federal bucks. Meanwhile the only towns gas stations or food mart are both gone.
Some Canadians are more Equal than other ,as well being professional ingrates. Next they will be dividing our cities into reservation zones predatorily to claiming them as their entire land . Think I an nuts? Read this!

http://www.articlearchives.com/law-legal-system/international-law/1489915-1.html

JMO

Jack: You're delusional

"That is equivalent to taking a primitive people to a new and far more advanced planet and welcoming them with open arms."

Like this, right?

The population history of American indigenous peoples postulates that disease exposure, displacement, and warfare diminished populations, with the first the most significant cause.[18][19] The first indigenous group encountered by Columbus were the 250,000 Tainos of Hispaniola who were the dominant culture in the Greater Antilles and The Bahamas. In thirty years, about 70% of the Tainos died.[20] Enslaved, forced to labour in the mines, mistreated, the Tainos began to adopt suicidal behaviors, with women aborting or killing their infants, men jumping from the cliffs or ingesting manioc, a violent poison[20]. They had no immunity to European diseases, so outbreaks of measles and smallpox ravaged their population.[21]

The Laws of Burgos, 1512-1513 were the first codified set of laws governing the behavior of Spanish settlers in America, particularly with regards to native Indians. They forbade the maltreatment of natives, and endorsed their conversion to Catholicism.[22]

Reasons for the decline of the Native American populations are variously theorized to be from diseases, conflicts with Europeans, and conflicts among warring tribes. Scholars now believe that, among the various contributing factors, epidemic disease was the overwhelming cause of the population decline of the American natives.[23][24] After first contacts with Europeans and Africans, some believe that the death of 90 to 95% of the native population of the New World was caused by Old World diseases.[25] Half the native population of Hispaniola in 1518 was killed by smallpox.[26] Within a few years smallpox killed between 60% and 90% of the Inca population, with other waves of European disease weakening them further.[27] Smallpox was only the first epidemic. Typhus (probably) in 1546, influenza and smallpox together in 1558, smallpox again in 1589, diphtheria in 1614, measles in 1618—all ravaged the remains of Inca culture. Smallpox had killed millions of native inhabitants of Mexico.[28][29] Unintentionally introduced at Veracruz with the arrival of Panfilo de Narvaez on April 23, 1520, smallpox ravaged Mexico in the 1520s,[30] killing 150,000 in Tenochtitlán alone, including the emperor, and was credited with the victory of Cortes over the Aztec empire at Tenochtitlan (present-day Mexico City) in 1521.[31]

Over the centuries, the Europeans had developed high degrees of immunity to these diseases, while the Native Americans had no such immunity.[32] Europeans had been ravaged in their own turn by such diseases as bubonic plague and Asian flu that moved west from Asia to Europe. In addition, when they went to some territories, such as Africa and Asia, they were more vulnerable to malaria.

In 1633 in Plymouth, Massachusetts, the Native Americans were exposed to smallpox because of contact with Europeans. As it had done elsewhere, the virus wiped out entire population groups of Native Americans.[33] It reached Lake Ontario in 1636, and the lands of the Iroquois by 1679.[34][35] During the 1770s, smallpox killed at least 30% of the West Coast Native Americans.[36] Smallpox epidemics in 1780–1782 and 1837–1838 brought devastation and drastic population depletion among the Plain Indians.[37][38] In 1832, the federal government of the United States established a smallpox vaccination program for Native Americans (The Indian Vaccination Act of 1832).[39][40]

In Brazil the indigenous population has declined from a pre-Columbian high of an estimated 3 million to some 300,000 in 1997.[41][42]

Later explorations of the Caribbean led to the discovery of the Aruak peoples of the Lesser Antilles. The culture was extinct by 1650. Only 500 had survived by the year 1550, though the bloodlines continued through the modern populace. In Amazonia, indigenous societies weathered centuries of colonization.[43]

The Spaniards and other Europeans brought horses to the Americas. Some of these animals escaped and began to breed and increase their numbers in the wild.[44] The re-introduction of the horse had a profound impact on Native American culture in the Great Plains of North America and of Patagonia in South America. By domesticating horses, some tribes had great success: they expanded their territories, exchanged many goods with neighboring tribes, and more easily captured game, especially bison.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

Jack: You're delusional

"That is equivalent to taking a primitive people to a new and far more advanced planet and welcoming them with open arms."

Like this, right?

The population history of American indigenous peoples postulates that disease exposure, displacement, and warfare diminished populations, with the first the most significant cause.[18][19] The first indigenous group encountered by Columbus were the 250,000 Tainos of Hispaniola who were the dominant culture in the Greater Antilles and The Bahamas. In thirty years, about 70% of the Tainos died.[20] Enslaved, forced to labour in the mines, mistreated, the Tainos began to adopt suicidal behaviors, with women aborting or killing their infants, men jumping from the cliffs or ingesting manioc, a violent poison[20]. They had no immunity to European diseases, so outbreaks of measles and smallpox ravaged their population.[21]

The Laws of Burgos, 1512-1513 were the first codified set of laws governing the behavior of Spanish settlers in America, particularly with regards to native Indians. They forbade the maltreatment of natives, and endorsed their conversion to Catholicism.[22]

Reasons for the decline of the Native American populations are variously theorized to be from diseases, conflicts with Europeans, and conflicts among warring tribes. Scholars now believe that, among the various contributing factors, epidemic disease was the overwhelming cause of the population decline of the American natives.[23][24] After first contacts with Europeans and Africans, some believe that the death of 90 to 95% of the native population of the New World was caused by Old World diseases.[25] Half the native population of Hispaniola in 1518 was killed by smallpox.[26] Within a few years smallpox killed between 60% and 90% of the Inca population, with other waves of European disease weakening them further.[27] Smallpox was only the first epidemic. Typhus (probably) in 1546, influenza and smallpox together in 1558, smallpox again in 1589, diphtheria in 1614, measles in 1618—all ravaged the remains of Inca culture. Smallpox had killed millions of native inhabitants of Mexico.[28][29] Unintentionally introduced at Veracruz with the arrival of Panfilo de Narvaez on April 23, 1520, smallpox ravaged Mexico in the 1520s,[30] killing 150,000 in Tenochtitlán alone, including the emperor, and was credited with the victory of Cortes over the Aztec empire at Tenochtitlan (present-day Mexico City) in 1521.[31]

Over the centuries, the Europeans had developed high degrees of immunity to these diseases, while the Native Americans had no such immunity.[32] Europeans had been ravaged in their own turn by such diseases as bubonic plague and Asian flu that moved west from Asia to Europe. In addition, when they went to some territories, such as Africa and Asia, they were more vulnerable to malaria.

In 1633 in Plymouth, Massachusetts, the Native Americans were exposed to smallpox because of contact with Europeans. As it had done elsewhere, the virus wiped out entire population groups of Native Americans.[33] It reached Lake Ontario in 1636, and the lands of the Iroquois by 1679.[34][35] During the 1770s, smallpox killed at least 30% of the West Coast Native Americans.[36] Smallpox epidemics in 1780–1782 and 1837–1838 brought devastation and drastic population depletion among the Plain Indians.[37][38] In 1832, the federal government of the United States established a smallpox vaccination program for Native Americans (The Indian Vaccination Act of 1832).[39][40]

In Brazil the indigenous population has declined from a pre-Columbian high of an estimated 3 million to some 300,000 in 1997.[41][42]

Later explorations of the Caribbean led to the discovery of the Aruak peoples of the Lesser Antilles. The culture was extinct by 1650. Only 500 had survived by the year 1550, though the bloodlines continued through the modern populace. In Amazonia, indigenous societies weathered centuries of colonization.[43]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

Deezwhatever

You are posting ancient history. No one know what caused disease back then. The rest of it is normal human interaction sad as it can be.

However, we are now here in the future where things are absolutly stunningly different.

You simply must let go of the past and your guilt. All human societies have done reprehensible things in their pasts. If you want to hold a grudge against yourself, that's up to you.

In the present reality, Natives are 'special' and are treated with kid gloves. In my opinion that may be just as destructive to them as what your ancient history lesson states.

Grow up now and accept 2009 with it's realities.

A Canadian is a Canadian... period. I don't give a poopie doo if you are aboriginal, franco or ubangi, there should be one (_____________ fill in the blank) for all. Get off the reserve and taxpayer's guilt welfare and join society.

deezflowers might be able to feel guilty for sins(?) of a few centuries ago but I don't. I've never owned a slave, stole land or passed on smallpox so don't tell me to feel guilty that the aboriginal people haven't come out of the stone age despite having free education. Yeah, check out most treaties and they include education at the post secondary level, gratis.

Take a breath, folks. I'd rather we had a broader tax base coupled with a thinning of social assistance roles. This helps.

The overall issue is this: we are facing a labour shortage. There are a disproportionate number of unskilled aboriginals. Two birds with one stone.

There is a larger issue regarding treaty rights. I'd rather that became a non issue due to aboriginal involvement in society at large as opposed to what we have now.

does the urban reserve pay EDUCATION TAXES OR NOT?

I love how everyone takes a simple statement and blows it into a non-existant debate. Jack, no one knows what caused disease back then? It was in the bodies of europeans who came...what's the big mystery there? Who said I felt guilt..I simply made a statement, one that is widely felt, that there is no way of repaying for what was done to aboriginals. I didn't say we should grovel, or pay them as much as possible, or anything else.

Texas Canuck: Your idea of advancement out of the stone age is relevant to your experience. The aboriginal peoples were by no means a poor people prior to eur. settlement

Krydor: I agree completely

Jack, no one knows what caused disease back then? It was in the bodies of europeans who came...what's the big mystery there? Who said I felt guilt..I simply made a statement, one that is widely felt, that there is no way of repaying for what was done to aboriginals. I didn't say we should grovel, or pay them as much as possible, or anything else.

Deepemptiness,

You are not reading the English language. No one knew what caused disease three hundred years ago or even more recent than that.

Of course it's in the body, but in those days they poked holes in your body to let the 'bugs' out.

If you don't think there is any way we can pay the Indian back for whatever you imagine we took from them ... or should that be "what some of our ancestors did a couple of hundred years ago" we have two options. Mass suicide or just write it off as a shameful time in human history and get on with life where ALL can have equal opportunity.

Who said I felt guilt..I simply made a statement, one that is widely felt, that there is no way of repaying for what was done to aboriginals. That statement implies guilt.

Stop feeling, start thinking and grow up you child.

deezee

"""""The underlying issues aren't being addressed in Native affairs...either way though, I don't see how we could ever pay back for what was taken from them."""""'

you are absolutely rite that "underlying", lying being the operative here

and pay back, pay back what

there were possibly as few as 250,000 natives in NA when the Jewish fella arrived on these shores(in NA I exclude mexico), so you assertion about natives not being "poor people" is only as good as the definition (yours) of poor. A thin populated area does not equate to it being populated by an advanced culture, they had only modest tools and NO beasts of burden, so only hunter/gathers they were. They had not even invented wheels, writing, nor metalurgy, which they could have copied from the Incas IF the population was dense (not dense as in your case) enough for broad interaction.

Jack: Have you forgotten that settlers used to knowingly give their smallpox infested blankets to Natives? Not to mention the killing, raping, and pillaging. Stop distorting history to fit your thoughts. Yes, equal opportunity is good...if you think that current society gives equal opportunities, or ever did, to aboriginals you're blind.

That statement does not imply guilt. Please prove your statement. I didn't say "for what I've done", that would imply guilt.

Stop feeling? Start thinking and grow up? Thanks for the advice bro, crying's for girls right? Humans do way too much thinking...thinking is the realm of the ego, human conciousness lies above the realm of the constant stream of thought pouring through your mind.

GYM: Where do you get your information from?

"there were possibly as few as 250,000 natives in NA when the Jewish fella arrived on these shores(in NA I exclude mexico), so you assertion about natives not being "poor people" is only as good as the definition (yours) of poor."

Where do you get the number 250,000 from...try:

"Scholars' estimates of the total population of the Americas before European contact vary enormously, from a low of 10 million to a high of 112 million.[7]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

"A thin populated area does not equate to it being populated by an advanced culture, they had only modest tools and NO beasts of burden, so only hunter/gathers they were. They had not even invented wheels, writing, nor metalurgy, which they could have copied from the Incas IF the population was dense (not dense as in your case) enough for broad interaction."

for one, your "thin population" is product of your mind, and secondly, all of those characteristics you called advanced are relative to your interpretation of advanced.

Deez said ...
Humans do way too much thinking...thinking is the realm of the ego, human conciousness lies above the realm of the constant stream of thought pouring through your mind.

Certifiable loon. Give this person a vibrating crystal or a mood ring or something.

I'm done here.

Jack: Well, I guess Jesus was a loon too then, and all buddhists, and anyone else who has escaped the hell that is human unconciousness. Tell me...are you the voice in your head...or the person who listens to it?

There used to be a program, memory here, that would give natives 60,000 to start a business. There were a lot of loans so maybe that went by the way. It is one thing to compete. Natives do not pay property tax but usually submit a grant for the amount. I worked for the Feds and we were told to use the trucking company. Didn't on price.

When all the stats come out re less smoking, or cig sales, are the sales from reserves and duty free stores taken into account. Maybe govts should lower the taxes on these products to get the people back into regular store and get some tax revenue instead of none.
When all the non smoking laws were put in and restrictions on where one could smoke, it was mentioned that tax revenue would go way down. People will continue to by their cigs, and young people will still start at some point.

Heeznuts,
You're on the wrong site, bub. I believe you want cbc.ca
By the way, thanks for 30 years of French PM's. I can smell their stench on you from here.

Grey Eagle Casino native casino @ 37st/Glenmore Trail s.w. Calgary Alberta.
All i know is their buffet is $11.99/beer/$5 and you can smoke and the parking is free.
They also spend big bucks advertising on city of calgary transit buses.

Posted by: Deezflowers at January 10, 2009 3:45 PM>

Wow that’s a whole lot of “white guilt” baggage you carry with you.

You’re rage against the status quo appears to be a direct relation to that sad fact. Very much why the homosexual extreme left distains traditional family values I suppose, you don’t fit in well.

Oh well, many here will defend your right to exist for you in an indirect way, and do their best stave off the ideals of Islam that put you and yours first in their crosshairs.

No need to thank us, we realize you wouldn’t understand.

The greatest thing about being a aboriginal in Canada, is that if you want to live in the ways of old like many do romanticize………..it’s all right there!

Simply strap on a backpack and start walking. Hell you can even set up your own teepee village somewhere out on crown land and enjoy the blessings of mother earth. No one’s stopping you!

Native Canadians have no hunting or trapping limitations such as bag limits or hunting seasons. I’m not sure why so many “white” people belly ache about the poor Indians. Of course there are poor reservation Indians sniffing gasoline in parts of Canada, but no one ever talks about the rich ones.
Check out the Morley reserve west of Calgary or the entire town of Slave Lake owned by the local band. Service stations, hotels, golf courses and all, many of these band leaders are University graduates and millionaires. The choices for native Canadians are endless, with many tax supplements or no tax at all; they are only limited by their own ambitions.

Once Canada becomes multicultural enough, does anyone here really believe that the Canadian aboriginals will be allowed the freedoms and privileges by the newcomers that the “guilty” whites allowed? If you believe so then you are truly naive – Native Canadians should be blockading the immigration office along with every bleeding heart in Canada.

Who gave the aboriginals the land in the first place or who did they steal it from? What were the boundaries or borders of this land - did they actually span across oceans or where did they stop.

I agree with MaryT and furthermore I certainly would never go to a Casino that I could not smoke in..or a resturant..or a bar unless it was business and not on my time or my dime.

Urban reservations???

Sounds like a racist economic policy; a ghetto.

And that's ignoring all the other issues. I reckon we wait 5 years and see what has happened to these "urban reservations".

Eyeswideshut, are we going to need government policies for all ethnic groups in Canada, including ol' whitey? Are we going to have government enforced racial bus seat quotas, shopping opportunities, public baths, etc?

Or shall we simply insist on racial busses and shops and bars and brothels and hairdressers??

I was always brought up to think racialism is bad.

Deeznuts,

I took nothing from anyone, so eff off.

asphiks: Why does everyone assume that any person who is not in total alignment with everybody else's opinion is a "lefty"?

Knight99: Are you a psychologist? I have no "rage against the status quo"...I certainly don't feel the status quo is any good for anybody but the very, very few..and even then its all fake.

You're being paranoid...with a touch of ignorance.

RW: I agree

And I don't know why people insist on arguing against straw men...I never said you, or I, took anything from anybody. I simply said something to fact that aboriginal affairs are in an unreconcilable state. That no amount of money could ever do them any good. That setting up urban reservations won't do them any good either.

"I simply said something to fact that aboriginal affairs are in an unreconcilable state. That no amount of money could ever do them any good. That setting up urban reservations won't do them any good either."

Then we should stop making special allowances for them and hold them accountable for the decisions they make in their lives, whether the consequences of those decisions are positive or negative. They can't blame the white men of the past for their poor choices in the present, especially with all the advantages available to them compared to the rest of Canadian society.

Chairman Kaga: This isn't about blame, it's about a society that clearly doesn't accept them, and a system that is set up to ensure that doesn't change. What advantages? Being seen as native certainly isn't one, the shambles their culture is in isn't one, the way society has dealt with them isn't one either.

If that really were the case Deez, then no native would ever succeed in this country and that simply doesn't reflect reality does it?

So why can some of them succeed while others can't? Could it be that some of them have an ounce of self worth and aren't afraid to put a little effort into improving their lives by getting an education and a good job? Society is willing to accept those natives, just like it's willing to accept every other productive citizen in this country.

As for advantages, being native certainly is one. Tax free input costs for businesses is one, as mentioned in the article. There are tons of scholarships available exclusively for native youth in this province. Saskatchewan companies have been actively looking for native employees but cannot seem to attract enough candidates.

There are a lot of opportunities available for natives, especially in our booming province. But it is not society's fault if many of them are unwilling to work towards those opportunities. It's not society's job to carry them to that opportunity either.

Posted by: Deezflowers at January 10, 2009 10:44 PM>

“Knight99: Are you a psychologist?”

That’s a little like the pot calling the kettle black isn’t it?

I suppose one could ask if you are you a foreign relations expert, a military academic or hold a masters degree in history?

You do seem to hold a view of just about anything posted as a thread, but do not come across as a degreed expert in anything to me. Just allot of gut feeling and intuition.