What's The Opposite Of Diversity?

So he got axed by the tolerant,inclusive,socialist NDP. Nothing new here.Moving right along.

Thanks for posting this Kate. Justthinkin is correct in that this is top down machinations from Gary Doers' morally bankrupt cabal of socialist thugs. I'll pass this post along to some MSM journalists who may want to get this story out (Michael Coren in particular comes to mind).

I suspect that Dr. Reynolds is pro-life because, in all likelihood, he is a Christian. That might also put him at odds with a great deal of the practice of family medicine.

Anyone who doubts that professing Christians, often upholding excellence in their chosen professions, are not being persecuted by diversity-toting bigots in positions of authority had better think again and clean their glasses.

Essentially, practising Christian teachers are discouraged from sharing any of their views on either marriage or fertility (or anything at all), being expected to toe the pro-abortion, anything-goes-family-model line, and we've seen what goes on at universities and the CHRCs.

They came for the Christians and I didn't speak up because ... I wasn't a Christian.

Who's next?

I know that traditionally Canada is a judeo-christian nation, but how would you feel batb if your kids were being taught by a Muslim teacher, and frequently taught lessons found in the Koran? Same goes for a JW doctor...what if he continually refused or did not support blood transfusions?

Honestly, I don't know the circumstances of this case, so he may very well be being persecuted for invalid reasons, I'm just saying.

Anyone interested in conscience issues should check out this excellent site:
www.consciencelaws.org

bar_jebus,

The views on marriage and fertility that batb is referencing are not exclusive to Christians and the bible though.

Hey, bar_jebus, I have had a family doctor that was Muslim and another who was Sikh and another who was Hindu.

And yes, my daughter was counseled with humanist values from a couple of them. They weren't fired.

So, bar_jebus, what is the standard? Anything but Christian?

There's a second story in this that's just as disturbing: the med student denied their degree after they said that they would not perform or refer for abortions.

students are obligated to tell patients about all treatment options which fall within the medical standard of care

I wonder how far that goes. If that student had not said anything at school and then, after starting a practice, made it clear to patients that they will not perform or provide references for abortions, would the province shut them down? Would the university revoke the doctor's degree?

Yikes.

bar_jebus: I would not go to a doctor with whose views on important issues I disagreed. I have changed doctors before, for just this reason. But, they weren't fired, nor did I complain to anyone. I just left their practice and found another doctor. Doctors should have the same rights the rest of us have: freedom of religion and freedom of expression.

But Chairman Kanga and James make good points: Are doctors either to toe the secular-humanist line or be asked to leave their positions? That is, Christian doctors will be asked to quietly exit their university posts, but it's OK for others to keep their jobs if they have objections to abortion, for example, on moral, ethical or spiritual grounds, as long as they're not Christians--if they are, say, Muslim or Hindu or anything-but-Christian?

Because that's the way things seem to be going. Read one of the latest posts at Ezra Levant's blog: "It's OK for [a radical Muslim imam] to say gays should be "beheaded," Jews "spread corruption," Hindus must "be killed."

http://ezralevant.com/

University's have become nothing but Marxist pest holes. Liberal fascist run institutions with no room for any new or old ideas, except "progressive " statist ones. So much for free inquiry. There a discredit to science & scholarship. Once they gave up free analysis for absolutist materialism. All detachment was lost. No one even learns to think in a coherent manner in this rarified atmosphere of prejudice. Its emotion based values neutral hogwash.
I hear they screen nurses in them now for Pro-Life people, than oust the applicants of those who think life starts at conception.
Its why so much corruption has entered every field. Why life is so cheap. Ask Sarah Palin. She committed the modern unpardonable sin for Women. She gave birth to a in their minds (Death cultists utopians) “defective baby“. That was why so much vileness was directed her way. In the minds of these pigmy’s anyone who had a handicapped child on purpose, is deranged for not killing IT. The Universities only reflects the mindset of the elitists, anti-democratic faction now. No other view will be tolerated. Particularly Jewish or Christian ideals. To them there the enemy, always has been. Always will be. Like the Religion of war, people are cheap by the dozen. Only the philosopher Kings (themselves) are worthy.
It’s a sad state of affirms. It makes people shy away from real knowledge. Most with any brains, see what they teach as nonsense, if not out right bigotry disguised as schooling.
JMO

there's always the separate school system..........

Basically, what we are moving towards an informal "Christians Need not Apply" society. Exemptions are made for every other group to allow for diversity and inclusiveness. Meanwhile, Canada's largest religious group is being actively harassed.

The reasons given for both the student and professor being removed are thin. Do the powers-that-be really think women are so dim-witted that their decision to have an abortion will be blocked by a doctor not giving them a referral? Of course not because that would be a sexist attitude. They just want to make sure that the proper people with proper ideas are in the proper positions. You know...so that progressives can claim that there's consensus, therefore the issue is settled and it can no longer be questioned. No pro-life groups allowed on campus, weed out pro-life medical staff in hospitals, remove pro-life profs in education, drag any stragglers to the HRC. Voila....complete acquiescence and conformity in the field.

I find it mind boggling that this getting 'permission to publish a letter' garbage is still with us today. And in the medical profession yet!

I mean it was over 20 years ago when I wrote a anti-CWB letter to the newspaper and was then quickly visited by the NFU thugs telling me to give my future letters to them first, so that they could check and change them so as to promote the CWB as our western saviour.

But, doctors? Today?
This can't be true, can it?

>>I wonder how far that goes. If that student had not said anything at school and then, after starting a practice, made it clear to patients that they will not perform or provide references for abortions, would the province shut them down? Would the university revoke the doctor's degree?

Yikes.

As a medical student I feel I have some input here:

No one can take your MD away unless you are guilty of gross negligence or are somehow unfit to practice (criminal, substance abuse, or psychiatric reasons).

CMA guidelines allow for physicians to refuse to perform procedures on religious or moral reasons as long as the standard of care for your patient is not compromised. In the case of abortion, a physician can refuse to perform an abortion BUT the physician must inform the patient of the option of abortion and at the very minimum refer the patient to someone who will arrange for an abortion referral should they desire one.

I'm not as happy with that as I could be, but at least there is a provision there for moral objections that still allows for a standard of care to be upheld in a case where religious beliefs (i.e. opposition to giving blood transfusions) would interfere with a patients health.

The Black Rob had a good post on this a few weeks ago.

http://blackrod.blogspot.com/2008/12/axe-drops-on-dr-larry-reynolds-real.html

oops... I mean Rod not Rob

Houston,there is a problem.You may or may not agree that doctors should be forced to make abortions but Tommy Douglas ,the great socialist icon,was a great believer in Eugenics,therefor ALL doctors will be forced to KILL the mentaly handicaped and the old and infirm paving the way to a better world for all! Where have we heard that before?Eisenhaur said take pictures,lots of pictures,because someday some son of a bitch will say that it didnt happen.

In the case of the student, religion is no defense. If we ask a student "what is 2+2" and he comes back with "my invisible friend told me that it's 57", it doesn't matter how strongly the student believes his answer to be correct - it's still wrong. You can't go around awarding marks and diplomas based on religious beliefs. If we adopted that tactic, we'd still be teaching that the world is flat.

In the case of the doc, the people who fired him seem to have their heads wedged firmly up their rectums. His opinions are his own, as are his publications; they have no business firing him because of his opinions unless those opinions interfere with his work. On the other hand, judging by the way these cases often get misrepresented (for example, in the movie "Expelled") I think I'll wait for a bit more information before condemning anyone.

I just responded to a Carleton fund-raising email - again - by telling them - again - that I consider it a sick institution; that I consider the anti-white male vote by the student council an accurate reflection of the views of the faculty, students and staff; that the belated, half-hearted and self-serving apology was hypocritical and deceitful; and, that I would not live long enough to see Carleton correct itself.

Alex, it does not look the student was failed because incorrect answers or skills. He was failed because of incorrect ideas. (from the linked article)

"In 2003, a student was failed by the University of Manitoba School of Medicine. The reason? He informed his Obstetrics and Gynecology instructors he would refuse to perform or refer for any abortive procedure. "

I agree the student should not have the rights of a physician. It is not their beliefs that bother me as much as the dereliction of the patient. You don't have to perform an abortion but you do owe a referral with the refusal. It is about discipline and I want some standards kept.

This is beyond stupid, I was followingg this story on the black rod and I still cannot believe it.

This university needs all public funding taken away from it, and the administration fired.

Of course, this is outrageous . . . something observant Christians—who are, by definition, not in favour of either abortion or the abortion license—have known for some time, while the rest of our “tolerant, diverse” society was sleeping.

I used to be very vocal about issues, such as abortion. My views were non PC, but expressed intelligently and reasonably. I used to be able to speak up politically (incorrectly) in the public square and still keep my job as a teacher and not be hounded by the PC jackals. Written “Equity”—for everyone but people like me—policies ended my freedom of speech. (I’m not free if I’ll be persecuted for stating my opinions in public.)

Even my friends, who are “more tolerant and diverse” in their views than I am, are quite willing to go along with this “dark underbelly” of Canadian life: they generally prefer not to have their attention directed to the kind of persecution I’d be liable to if I continued to speak out publically. Like the Germans, who lived just down the road and who said they had no idea about the concentration camps, most Canadians, including, as I’ve said, many friends of mine, prefer to be “in the dark” about the totalitarianism of virtually all of our institutions when it comes to moral issues. (I feel truly disenfranchised and have lost an important aspect of my past life, where I was quite engaged in the public debate—now all but lost—on important legal and ethical issues. On the other hand, my political opponents are free to spout their views all the time, everywhere, and usually paid for by whatever institution they might be involved with. Some equality!)

Yes, this “hear no evil, see no evil” ruse annoys me. Yes, it puts stress on my relationships. And, yes, I wonder if some of these people are really my friends at all. In terms of “Whatsoever you do [or not, as the case may be] to the least of these, my brothers, you do to me”, I’d have to say these “friends” of mine do not treat me as a friend, so far as the political persecution I would surely suffer if I spoke out: they’d rather not hear about it. They—and most of Canadian society—are like those who passed by on the other side of the road, leaving the Samaritan bleeding and on the ground. Re the appalling workplace persecution of an exemplary professional like Dr. Larry Reynolds: excellence and competence have nothing to do with it. (I’ll bet his political opponents are anything but exemplary professionally: and to be involved in character assassination and persecution, definitely shows that, morally, they’re, complete pygmies. But, in the present dispensation, they win anyway.)

Kate and Ezra Levant, neither of them observant Christians, are not passing by on the other side. Many thanks and blessings! Re the coalition and Liberal, left-wing skulduggery, the Canadian sleeping giant—ordinary Canadians—is beginning to stir. Maybe Christians have reason to be more hopeful about our prospects in the public square in this country . . .

Meanwhile, God bless Larry Reynolds and may the Lord have mercy on his persecutors.

Boycot the Universiity of Manitoba.

A toady institution of low repute and poor ethics.

batb at December 17, 2008 4:47 PM

I am not a Christian, but I am pro-life. Why? I was adopted...

I've let Roy Green know. Hopefully he'll do a segment on this story.

"It is about discipline and I want some standards kept."

That is a wonderful and idealistic concept...completely incompatible with the current medical system. Many people cannot get referrals for procedures because of lack of family doctors and rationing. The doors to medical school need to be flung as wide open as possible not restricted to students who hold toe the progressive line. That failed student may have made an excellent doctor in every other way.

Besides, do you really think that a women in this day and age would not be able to access abortion services because of her doctor's religious conviction? Help is merely a phone call away through the many government services set up to help women. A doctors refusal has minimal impact when compared the other health care restrictions in our mismanaged system.

Abortion is one of those areas that should be treated delicately with understanding and sensitively, more concepts alien to progressives and bureaucrats. It is should be about balancing rights.

My husband, an anaesthetist, has been noticing the push for abortion rumbling through academic medicine for a few years now. He is worried that he will no longer be able to opt out of giving an anesthetic for an abortion. If this occurs, he'll leave medicine.

As far as the idea that a doctor does not need to perform an abortion but has a duty to refer, would this also apply to active euthanasia? This is the new direction our elites will take us. Would you, as a doctor, give a referral to another physician who does active euthanasia if you know the family of the patient is pressuring your patient die? How is this different from a women wanting an abortion when you know it's really the boyfriend who is pressuring her? Would you still refer the patient for an abortion?

Would you, as a patient, want to have a family physician who you know could or would refer you to be euthanized, even if it's just when you ask? Even when you are suffering greatly? Really truly? How could you trust the physician to do the best for you, under this scenario, for any and all circumstances???

JMHO

PS. I wonder how this is going to play out among the many wonderful conservative Jewish and Mennonite physicians in Manitoba.

lynnh:

"Alex, it does not look the student was failed because incorrect answers or skills. He was failed because of incorrect ideas."

That's right. An incorrect idea which directly relates to the field in which he was studying. It doesn't matter how good the rest of his marks were - he failed in a critical area. It's no different than, say, a geology student getting great marks in class, and then telling his teachers that he thinks the earth is 6,000 years old. Sorry, you fail!

lookout:

"I am not a Christian, but I am pro-life. Why? I was adopted"

Heh. That's a bit like saying:

"I'm not a Christian, but I am anti-masturbation. Why? Because I didn't end up as a stain in a sock."

or

"I'm in favour of rape, because my father was a rapist."

Sorry man, but how you were conceived or born plays no part in deciding the rights of others. Saying you want the state to criminalize abortions is no different than saying you want the state to forcefully keep men from masturbating. Either way you're using the power of the state to infringe on the freedoms of others.

Now, if all you want to do is urge women to not have abortions, that's fine, I wish you the best of luck. As long as you're not forcing your will on others, I have no problem with you or your beliefs. In fact, I'd be more than happy to encourage and support your efforts. I think that we DO need to discourage abortion, and educate people about the alternatives. However, once we've provided that information and made a good argument, we still need to leave the choice up to the women. Nobody has a right to make that choice for them.

bar_jebus says: "I know that traditionally Canada is a judeo-christian nation, but how would you feel batb if your kids were being taught by a Muslim teacher, and frequently taught lessons found in the Koran? Same goes for a JW doctor...what if he continually refused or did not support blood transfusions?"

As it happens, my physical therapist IS a Muslim. He's from Egypt, and he's one of the very best PTs I've ever seen. Being a PT myself, that's praise indeed.

We had a -very- interesting discussion on Monday this week about Islam. He considers Egypt to be a n occupied country, like Holland under the Nazis. Occupied and tyrannized by the Wahabists, bought and paid for by the House of Saud. Seems they're agitating to get rid of Egypt's historical artifacts because they aren't "Islamic" enough to suit them. Also they don't treat Christians very well. He was turning red just talking about it. P1ssed him right off.

I'd let -that- guy teach kids all day long.

Jehova's Witnesses who become doctors conform to the standard of care for their specialty, or they don't get to practice. Any doctor who refused to -give- a transfusion for religious reasons would probably be lucky to stay out of jail. It doesn't happen.

Witnesses and Mormons have been know to refuse to take treatment. I have never heard of a case where one refused to give treatment.

You see, bar, stereotyping people according to their racial/religious/social group is a Lefty thing. Taking each person as an individual, equal to all others before the law and possessing dignity and freedom, this is a Conservative thing. You wouldn't understand.

Choose life... your mother did.

Alex, you seem to have a language processing problem—or two. I'm against abortion, but not because I was adopted: I wasn't. (Check it out, my boy.)

Then you say, “Sorry man [sic], but how you were conceived or born plays no part in deciding the rights of others”. Did you stop to think about that before you said it? Do you understand the word, “irony”? (Do you have a functioning brain?)

Fact: despite your total ignorance, “how you were conceived” has EVERYTHING to do with both abortion AND the rights of others: those human beings conceived as a result of recreational sex—now an epidemic—are much more likely to have their rights ignored entirely, before being aborted (at public expense, up to the moment of birth: Canada has NO laws to protect unborn human beings) than those human beings who are conceived, let’s say, in a committed marriage.

Hey, “man”, why not think before you compose rubbish and push the Post button?

RW, all the best to you.

SHAME SHAME SHAME I THHOW MY SHOES

"Alex, you seem to have a language processing problem"

Naw, just looked at the wrong signature line. I guess you don't understand how quotation marks work, otherwise you would have realized that I was responding to someone else.

"Fact: ... those human beings ... are much more likely to have their rights ignored entirely, before being aborted"

Apparently you also don't understand what the phrase "human beings" means. And you seem to think that the words "fact" and "opinion" are interchangeable. Quite frankly, I'm starting to worry about the "functioning" of your brain.

Using your ... "logic" ... we could likewise state something along the lines of:

FACT: Those human beings conceived as a result of masturbation are much more likely to have their rights ignored entirely, before being aborted through the use of a gym-sock, than those human beings who are conceived, let’s say, in a committed marriage.

I know that you think Magic-Man doesn't like abortions, but that's no reason to go around making idiotic statements and calling them facts.

Glad to see that the abortion/pro-life issue has been de-polarized and replaced with respectful, thoughtful and absolutely fretty free discussion.

: )

Cheers!

Leto

Utter garbage, Alex.

Have fun with yourself.

And here I thought the point of the post and the article it refers to was the politicization of the University and the health care directorate.

Oh ....... wait a minute!

It's just the usual suspects confusing their presumptions with reality.

http://www.stvincentmedicalcenter.com/services/TransfusionFreeServices/Pages/default.aspx

Just remember this fact: if you are getting 'common practice' medicine in Canada, you are probably 2 advances away from the best methods/care available.

As for forcing doctors to do things against their conscience, I suggest firing them immediately. At the same time change the archaic Canadian laws so that they can practice outside of the state system and that people can purchase health insurance.

That way people who don't want anything to do with the state system from both ends aren't forced to.

Derek

Universities do NOT function as democracies, but as very poorly run businesses. What will make a difference is if you send a letter to the university president informing him that you will not send your children to a narrow-minded and academically suspect, explaining why. The time scale for change is about 5 years.

Perhaps one day Alex will get to stand before Magic-Man and give even more interesting details of his world view.

I hope to get a chance to sit on that seminar.

And perhaps one day you'll stand before Santa Claus, and beg not to be buried in coal.

Seriously, how pathetically ignorant do you have to be in order to make such an argument? Did you drop out of school in grade 5? Or are you just trolling for attention? Do you REALLY think that threatening me with your invisible friend is going to have any effect? And how do you justify that kind of threat? You're effectively running a "protection" racket:

"Well, see ... I know this 'God' guy, see ... he's a real nice guy. Very generous like. Takes real good care of his friends. But you don't wanna make him mad. Anyway, this sure is a nice soul you got here ... be a shame if anything were to, say, 'happen' to it ..."

At least when the Mafia threatens you, they don't insult your intelligence in the process. In comparison, you and your incompetent friends want me to believe that an invisible part of me which somehow lives forever will be eternally tormented by some guy whom nobody's ever seen if I don't give you money and sink to my knees in worship of some other magical invisible guy whom nobody has ever seen. How anyone falls for that racket is beyond me. I thought the Nigerian banker scheme was bad, until I really sat down and thought about religion. You guys make them look like friggin' geniuses in comparison.

RW: "I am not a Christian, but I am pro-life. Why? I was adopted..."

It makes sense that you are pro-life. I was not assuming that all pro-life individuals are Christians, simply that Dr. Reynolds is, in all likelihood, a Christian.

(I imagine that if he were pro-life because he was adopted, he might not have had his job terminated by the U. of M.)

Ezekiel 13:11
The Lord takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked....

and neither should anyone else.

In Manitoba, if you talk to RHAs bureaucrats, the health care system would be better off without doctors. Ask people in Virden.

Someone should do some more digging to find out more details about the medical student who was denied his MD because of his personal views. My medical student days are almost 20 years in the past, but we were given a clear choice in ob/gyn rotations: either you would participate in abortions or you wouldn't. I declined and had no problems as a result. My internship was at a Catholic hospital where no abortions were performed.

Now I refer women for abortions but make sure I let them know all of their options including continuing on with the pregnancy. I also inform them of potential psychiatric consequences of having an abortion. Most of the women I refer are women who shouldn't be having children in the first place.

As far as the case of Dr. Reynolds goes, this is just part of the out of control political correctness that takes place in universities. As is the case anywhere else, people who are productive physicians/researchers have absolutely no interest in medical/university politics whereas those individuals who aren't particularly brilliant or productive get into positions of power. Haven't come up with a solution to this problem yet but perhaps a genetically engineered virus might solve this problem at some future time.

Well said Lookout, both of your comments made my heart ache for you as I, too have been in the situation you now find yourself in - horrible to have 'friends' who don't want to be seen with you because you are a 'loose canon' (in my case!).

I second your Blessings for all the people you mentioned and I will add another Blessing for you. If it helps to know , I am on your side and I am cheering for the same team as you are - here in the Yukon.

I can remember Maternity wards where nurses and Doctors celebrated the birth of each new baby with tenderness, joy and wonderment. My baby brother was born in such a ward and I will never forget the snow white starched nurse who took me by the hand and let me over to the nursery to hold the tiny perfect hand of my new little brother. She was beaming with joy for my family; her smile was ear to ear when she tenderly touched the top of my brother's head and gently smoothed his fine hair.

I do not know how Dr.s and nurses survive in the abortion business - it would send me insane.

It must have some effect on the consciences of pro abortion practitioners, else why would they be so hostile to a Dr. with pro life ideas? A Dr., like Dr. Reynolds; a with such expertise in his field? I borders on the fanatical (and approaches irrational Paranoia) to consider the radical steps those professionals took to discredit one of their own who had committed no crime.

Thanks for posting this Kate.

Well-said, Jema 54, and how tragic for Canada that principled people like lookout, willing to engage in debate in the public square, are effectively shut up and shut down by the politically correct powers that be.

G*d knows, we need alternative views to those of life-denying--in the broadest sense of the word--political correctniks. Everywhere they ply their trade, which is everywhere, we see the disastrous lowering of standards and the resulting mayhem.

Doctors are entitled to the same human rights as all other Canadians. When the state/institution insists that a doctor engage in practices which go against his/her conscience, the state/institution is asking too much and is contributing to a virtual gulag.

Canada has a lot of gulags. The U. of Manitoba has just become the latest.

One more thing: You can't give rights to one group by taking away the rights of another group. That's a fool's game and extremely dangerous.

They try to stop this tiny little voice inside of their heads that tells them that killing unborn babies is wrong so they abandon their religion and everything they were taught as children to believe in, to no avail. In an act of desperation they pin Order of Canada on mass murderer Dr. Henry Morgentaler hoping that this act will finally make this tiny little voice in a back of their heads shut up. All of their efforts are in vain so now they try instead to kill everybody that dares to repeat the same message out loud.

lol

This is exactly why I'm waiting until more details come out :) You people are than happy to misrepresent the words and actions of others, as long as it helps you further your cause. As such, any rational individual will immediately be distrustful of anything you say.

And Karol? I just gotta ask: what colour is the sky on your world? Either you're living on an entirely different plane, or you're so far disconnected from reality that you really have no clue what's going on around you.

Here's a hint: if you stop projecting your own beliefs on everyone around you - especially those who explicitly tell you that they disagree - you'll be much closer to understanding the real world. You seem to think that everyone in the world sees the issue exactly the way that you do, but all these EEEEEVIL "liberals" just want to kill babies and destroy souls, so they ignore what they know to be Good and Righteous in order to Do The Work Of Satan. You are, in short, a moron. There's no little voice in my head telling me that killing unborn babies is wrong because I don't see them as babies, and I don't see it as killing. I don't know how I can make this any clearer to you. You can try and argue about what constitutes human life, and maybe even have a productive discussion about it, but as long as you insist on projecting your own thoughts and feelings on everyone else you'll never come close to an understanding of the real issues.