“This is the first university in world that gives out bachelor’s degrees in rocket manufacture”

Dumb Arabs, move to Canada for government funding.

Islamic University, home of "Gaza Scholars"

A step up from flight school?

Who says it ain't rocket science?

Guess this guy didn't go to any university.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/32311_Death_to_All_Juice

The original source for most of this funding is Saudi (et al) oil money. They're weaving a web that will eventually strangle them. The US will be able to make a very strong case for seizing their assets, once that link is established.

I firmly believe that the wealthy Arab states will go back to being extremely poor with a few pen strokes, once the oil is no longer holding us hostage.

Reuter's, just like the Sulzbergers, always lands on the side of evil, why ?

But,but,but.According to ET and others,the Pail's are allowed to do this.It is their tribal right! How dare the evil Israels take away their livlehood!!
Hamas,Hezbolla,etc are ALLOWED to bomb and kill Israelis,but they can't respond.F*&King academics screwing up the world!

After centuries and oil and Allah leading the way , goat herders to goat herders and not much in-between.

I think we should go back to basics and demand that our left wing media should give back everything they own that is Israeli developed. Small things like Cell phones, Coronary stints, medical pharmacutical software. I could go on for an hour.
On the other hand the entire world should reject everything developed by hamas at their palestinian school of learning. Small things like hate, racisim, tunnel vision. They have excelled at one big learned area of expertise and that is the production of propoganda!
One can only hope the Israeli Governemnt has the courage to see this through to a complete elimination of Hamas.

justthinkin - what an ignorant and offensive comment you made about my views.

Tribalism has nothing to do with bombing others; tribalism is a non-industrial mode of social organization, found everywhere on our planet, including the west, before the change into the industrial mode.

Nor do I have the opinion that the Palestinians (and I don't mock any name..as you do..with your 'pali') have any 'right' to bomb anyone just as Israel has no 'rights' to do the same. War is not a question of 'rights'. War is a means of obtaining some agenda; one then has to consider the validity of the agenda. Nothing to do with 'human rights'. Kindly discuss these serious issues with some attention to facts and reason.

I have but one question: did the Israelis MAKE them use the University of Gaza for manufacturing and launching missiles? There was no other place available?

They do this crap from hospitals too, y'know. That's why the actual hospitals are being moved underground, so the purpose built hospital buildings can be used as launch points. Then when the Israelis hit them to stop the rockets, the Palestinians can run to the international media and scream victim. Another photo-op for Green Helmet Guy and that b1tch in the black curtain.

In so far as I am concerned, if a building has a rocket launched from it, that building should get a JDAMS smart bomb right through the same window the rocket came out of. The IAF can do that, they have 24/7 drone coverage and smart munitions out the wazoo.

An added step the Israelis seem not to have thought of yet, post video on youtube of every single rocket launch and counter strike. With live google maps of the hit locations, street maps, video, pictures, the woiks. Everybody in the world will tune in for that show.

Its the Al Capone method. "If they come at you with their fists, hit 'em with a bat. If they bring a knife, you bring a gun."

Pretty soon the Hamas guys are running out of buildings to shoot out of, and their credibility is in the crapper. This is a propaganda war, not a shooting war. The IDF needs to start broadcasting every frickin' thing they do, live and un-cut, on the web to short circuit the MSM and the Palis.

Look at these 'Anti-Semites' preaching hatred of Israel in the streets yesterday!!

http://nyc.indymedia.org/images/2008/12/102512.jpg

The right wing readers of this blog are TOO stupid to even comprehend the concepts involved here! It 'IS' possible to condemn the OVERYLY aggressive actions of the State of Israel and NOT be 'antisemitic' ... as these Jewish protesters prove!!

I'm looking for a rerun role for Green Helmet Guy.

http://tinyurl.com/zd668.

Hamas is having their asses reamed by the IDF so time to change the channel.

OVERYLY...

Oy Vey...

Wow LD, you mean that not all Jews monolithically think the same?

That's incredible - I don't think I've seen Jews arguing or having differing opinions. And I'm sure there are no Jews who are anti-Jews (jewicidal, as me no dhimmi would say) - that is of course not counting Chomsky, Finklestein, Margolis, Salutin, those ones that show up at Iranian "world without Israel" lovefests and jamborees, etc.

I'm sure, LD, that you also spotted all those Arab/Muslims showing up at the pro-Israel rallies? No? shocka.

Please, spare us your "you rightwingers are too stupid to understand". What's not to understand? Their "university" is a rocket launching/badguy headquarters.

LD, I know you are a retard so I won't make this too straining for your one functioning synapse.

Take a look at those pictures of the now rubble Gaza "University". You will note the -completely intact- apartment buildings all around the "university" site.

It looks as neat and tidy as one of those controlled explosive demolitions you see all the time on Discovery Channel, where they drop a whole building into the basement, using carefully mounted explosives and months of preparation.

Just so your retarded Leftoid self can understand the implications, I'm going to spell it out for you. The Israeli Air Force managed to drop that building, FROM THE AIR, going like 200 miles per hour, most likely while being shot at by the peckerhead Hamas terrorists on the ground, without breaking anything 50 ft away. This means they were extremely careful. They planned it and executed it with virtuoso skill. They're a bunch of fricking geniuses who are bound and determined not to hurt anybody who isn't actively shooting at them.

Compare and contrast with Hamas, who launch crappy un-aimable rockets out of a university building, in the general direction of Israeli civilians in the hopes of killing somebody. Doesn't matter who.

This is why we mock you, you horrific moron.

Maybe someone should tie ld to a tree and throw darts at him for eight years and see what he does when they let him loose.

LD, with your giant left-wing brain, is it possible for you to comprehend that the 'proportionate response' to having thousands of missiles indiscriminately fired into Israel would be Israel firing thousands of missiles indiscriminately into Gaza, and NOT, as they are doing, specifically and accurately targetting Hamas leaders, rocket factories and launch sites?

Oh please, with your enormous collection of neurons and keen grasp of the 'concepts' involved, won't you explain to us why 'overtly aggressive' only applies to Israel, and not to the thousands of missiles and mortar shells Hamas has fired and about which you say nothing, and never will?

The IUG offers the following advanced scholarships:

PhD, Engineering (biological, mobile bomb construction)

PhD, Advanced Surgical Techniques. Courses to be covered:

Separating the head from the body, the arm from the hand, stoning, genital mutilation and crucifixtion.

PhD, Political Science (special emphasis on the strategy of False Aggrievements, taqiyya, kitman, dhimmitude, Islamic supremacy and world domination)

PhD, Biology. Courses to be covered:

86:5. "Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted. Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs." and, 23:14. "Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood, then of that clot we made a lump; then We made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; the We developed out of it another creature."

PhD, Women's Studies. Courses to be covered:

A woman is worth one-half a man. 2:282. "Marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four." 4:3, Males are to inherit twice that of females. Instructions for exchanging wives 4:20. "All married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.". You can't have sex with married women, unless they are slaves obtained in war (with whom you may rape or do whatever you like). 4:24 Men are in charge of women, because Allah made men to be better than women. Refuse to have sex with women from whom you fear rebellion, and scourge them. Women are feeble and are unable to devise a plan. Allah's rules for divorcing wives that have not yet reached puberty. 65:4

PhD, Foreign Relations. Courses to be covered:

“Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” 2:191, “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” 9:123. “When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” 9:5. “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” 3:85. “The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” 9:30. “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” 5:33. “The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque.” 9:28. “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” 22:19. “Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.” 47:4. “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” 8:65. “Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” 3:28. “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” 8:12

PhD, Public Speaking, including the ever popular 'Death to Israel,' 'Death to America' and 'Allah Akbar.'

It's actually refreshing to see that the usual "untouchable" buildings are receiving a bit of attention this time around.

It's about time that Mosques are targeted whenever and where ever they are used as military sites. Without hesitation, I might add.

Mosque: Gathering place to foment hatred and rub shoulders with other sick souls.

Don't you just love those masochistic trolls. They just don't have anywhere else to go, do they?

Here's an interesting interview with an Israeli journalist, Herb Keinon, beginning at 33:30.

as a civil engineer Im always amazed by the thickness of concrete in some of these "universities" . I know first hand most of the modern structures in the middle east are really underbuilt. a couple of shakes and most of the houses are down. but the pictures of these show some significant thickness and reinforcing.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/12/30/gaza-tuesday.html

look in the picture in the btm right corner. 1 inch rebar ever 4 inches is serious stuff. like containment specifications.

Just so we know who is on what side:

cbc.ca/world/story/2008/12/30/gaza-tuesday.html

"A boat carrying international activists, including former Georgia congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, and medical supplies to the embattled Gaza Strip sailed back into a Lebanese port on Tuesday after being turned back and damaged by the Israeli navy, organizers of the trip said."

Everybody get that? Cynthia McKinney, FORMER Georgia congresscritter, political affiliation carefully left out. I'll fill it in: DemocRat.

As if there was ever any doubt.

Abu Hussein was very proud of his university in Gaza.

But now in the immortal words of Popeye the Sailor

Abu Hussein hassen got it any more! hehehe

"A symbol of Hamas culture", what the hell is Hamas culture?

Would there be much more than a passing report in the news of Hamas rockets going into Israel if the Israelis were not defending themselves? It appears the news is all about attacks on Hamas targets, with wailing mourners and trotting about with children the Israelis are supposed to have killed.

Not any mention of the ongoing terror the Israelis are living with trying to survive in their tiny democratic country surrounded by hostile and impossible neighbours.

ET wrote:

Nor do I have the opinion that the Palestinians (and I don't mock any name..as you do..with your 'pali')

Why not? The name "Palestinian" is itself a mockey.

From the indispensable Carl in Jerusalem:

The term "Palestina" was invented by the Roman emperor Hadrian. The Romans wanted to rename Eretz Yisrael (the Land of Israel) after the Philistines, the longtime enemy of the Jews. Hadrian believed that by renaming the Jewish homeland after the Jews' archenemy, he would be able to forever break the bond between the Land of Israel and the Jewish people.

The Romans pillage Jerusalem - A Roman bas-relief, still extant on an ancient building in Rome, shows Roman soldiers robbing the menorah and other sacred objects of the Beit HaMikdash HaSheni (the Second Holy Temple)

But even the name of the Philistines, from which the term "Palestine" was adopted, is completely alien to the Land of Israel.

The name Philistines in Hebrew is plishtim, which comes from the Hebrew verb polshim (foreign invaders).

. . .

The Arabs who lived in the Land of Israel were not "Palestinians" but Arabs - part of a huge Arab people with 22 very large independent nations that control one-ninth of the land mass on the planet Earth.

In an interview given by Zuhair Mohsen to the Dutch newspaper Trouw in March 1977, Mr. Mohsen explains the origin of the 'Palestinians':

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.

" Islamic University". Isn't that an oxymoron?

Mississauga Matt,

You're right, of course.

However, I'd go one further. Most of the so-called Arabs are not Arab either.

It's all a contrived and most recent myth.

mississauga matt - all Names are creations by man; they are not 'natural'. Names, as words, are not biological properties. That includes such nations as France, Canada, the United States of America, Israel and Palestine...and so on. Whether a city is called Bombay or Mumbai, whether a nation is called Rhodesia or Zimbabwe, all these designations are 'names' created by man.

As for your 1977 speaker, that is ONE opinion and hardly valid or reliable of the agenda of establishing a Palestinian state.

Furthermore, it is an ethnological error to merge Arabic people into one; they are made up of many tribal filiations. The error is the same as to merge all Europeans into one, ignoring their ethnic nationalities as, eg, French, German, and so on.

And, there's no such thing as a 'first home' for our human species; we're not sure where our species originated (a majority assumption is Africa) but wherever this was, it means that ALL homo sapiens were migratory, ALL humans wandered in small groups over various parts of our planet and settled, for certain periods of time, in myriad environments. There is no such thing as a First FootPrint and First Ownership to our species.

Some of these comments are both sad and disgusting. Racist, ignorant, and confused. Israel has more fire power than all the surrounding countries combined. This latest attack is sickening...likely funded by the US.

I think air strikes on university campuses are ....generally speaking....an excellent idea regardless of where they are located. Termite nests of deconstructionists is what they are. Widget factories producing subprime post secondary degrees that aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

ET, the Pali's took that name in '67, and in your rush to once again get the word "tribal" out the door you overlook the fact that the ignoramuses didn't understand the meaning of the word they applied to themselves. That's why mocking it is perfectly justifiable.

Deeznuts

"Some of these comments are both sad and disgusting. Racist, ignorant, and confused:
- Israel has more fire power than all the surrounding countries combined.
-This latest attack is sickening...likely funded by the US."

Fixed it for you. Punctuation is important. And I would say both those statements qualify as Racist, ignorant and confused.

mississauga matt - there's no justification for mocking the Palestinians. They did not 'take the name' in 1967; the British used it during their mandate long before, for one example. Therefore it makes sense for them to continue to use the same name as was applied to them.

Again, a name is a creation by human beings and has no 'essential' meaning. Therefore, what is your point? After all, Nunavut, which means 'our land' was created as such in 1999. The USA was created in 1776. The name of 'Canada' is from the Iroquois - and yet, we call ourselves Canadians even though most of us are not Iroqouis. And so on..

Your denigration of an entire people, for the name that they use, is juvenile. And unjustified.

C'mon ET. You're not a dope - why do you insist on playing one on the Internet?

a name is a creation by human beings and has no 'essential' meaning.

What a stupid thing to say.
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There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.

But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

- Joseph Farah, Arab-American journalist,
editor and CEO of WorldNetDaily

The concept of "Palestinians" is one that did not exist until about 1948, when the Arab inhabitants, of what until then was Palestine, wished to differentiate themselves from the Jews. Until then, the Jews were the Palestinians. There was the Palestinian Brigade of Jewish volunteers in the British World War II Army (at a time when the Palestinian Arabs were in Berlin hatching plans with Adolf Hitler for world conquest and how to kill all the Jews); there was the Palestinian Symphony Orchestra (all Jews, of course); there was The Palestine Post; and so much more.

The Arabs who now call themselves "Palestinians" do so in order to persuade a misinformed world that they are a distinct nationality and that "Palestine" is their ancestral homeland. But they are no distinct nationality at all. They are the same - in language, custom, and tribal and family ties - as the Arabs of Syria, Jordan, and beyond. There is no more difference between the "Palestinians" and the other Arabs of those countries than there is between, say, the citizens of Minnesota and those of Wisconsin.

What's more, many of the "Palestinians", or their immediate ancestors, came to the area attracted by the prosperity created by the Jews, in what previously had been pretty much of a wasteland.

- New York Times, June 12, 2000 (via CFICEJ's ISRAEL REPORT May/June 2000)

"Palestinians" [are an] Arab people no one heard of before 1967 before Israeli governments certified this piece of propaganda... As has been noted many times before, prior to 1948, that is before Jews had begun to call themselves Israelis, the only persons known as "Palestinians" were Jews, with the Arabs much preferrring to identify themselves as part of the great Arab nation.

- David Basch

Let’s be honest for a minute. Whether you are right or left, if you had an opportunity to visit either Israel or Palestine, with your family let’s say, which of the two would you choose? Which of the two would you feel your family would be the safest?

Excluding muggings or robbery in either country as a westerner, the only risk travelling Israel as millions of westerners do each year is the risk of a Palestinian suicide bomber on a bus or in a café. Otherwise you would feel quite at home I’m sure. Can you say the same for Gaza or most Middle Eastern countries without armed security or major protective measures? Again excluding typical international petty theft due to lower economic neighborhoods, you would obviously risk torture and death at every moment because of who you are, sympathetic to their self inflicted position in life or not.

Islam is at war throughout the world with all cultures and religions, including themselves. The Israeli – Palestinian conflict is simply the center peace and excuse to justify this murderous ideology globally. From India (Hindu) to China (Buddhist, Taoist), Thailand, Russia, Philippines (Christian), or Indonesia the Islamic militants kill peoples of the world…….Eastern and western Europe are almost completely invaded though stealth Jihad including legal and illegal immigration along with anchor babies and mass birthrates. This stealth Jihad has brought Europe soaring crime rates including “no go zones” for the indigenous peoples, violent protests and riots with large acts of terrorism peppered throughout.………….The US, Canada and Australia are invisibly setting the stage for their own future demise, by following the Liberal examples of the failed European models of socialist multiculturalism and tolerant societies.

Most people would visit Israel if given the chance, and most would avoid the Palestinian territories like a plague infested sewer. It’s amazing that people would support importing the values of this crazy ideology, and believe somehow they would be exempted from its fury if given the chance.

When Israel tromps on Hama’s it is because they understand the culture and ideologies of these people entirely. Its westerners that do not and therefore really have no business involving themselves in their conflict. We have our own war with Islam on our own shores to deal with, we simply refuse to acknowledge it.

The "thinking" of some people! There are many reasons why the Israelis have more firepower than the hostile Arabs who surround them.

This fact certainly doesn't give the Arabs any "right" to attack Israel, nor some "right" not to fired upon if they do. It would seem to me, knowing that their enemy is stronger than they are, that, in fact, Hamas might think again. (But, as many have pointed out, Hamas does not think the way we do: they like to play the victim card—which too many useful idiots fall for—and don't mind seeing their own killed, including children.)

The useful idiot logic posits that the strong, no matter how justified, actually deserve to be kicked by the weak. What utter hogwash!

Go, Israel, go!

Mississauga Matt, perhaps you should understand that while ET can be quiet rational and logical on other topics, the subject of Israel is a different matter. As for the others with muddled thinking they as expected are unable to distinguish between the party attacked and the attacker. According to this type of "thinking" a raped woman is as, if not more, guilty as the rapist. Come to think of it, this fits right in with Islamist thinking.

Anyone with a modicum of knowledge of the history of this area knows there is no such thing as a "Palestinian" people. Arafat following the advice of the KGB latched on to the term for political and propaganda reasons. However documented facts mean nothing to those obsessed with anti-Zionism (anti-Jewish) sentiments.

Above: " . . . not to BE fired upon . . ."

ET....I may have rude and ignorant,but you have ZERO knowledge of how complete totaltarianism and total rule and genocide work.You are a university educated person.No knowledge of living in the real world.I HAVE BEEN THERE TO GAZA.I know the crap.I have had people die beside me because some kid was raised to hate Jews.Until you can speak in REAL terms,not "tribal" university garbage,STFU!

Thanks Alain, I know what you're saying. I think some of her irrational thinking comes from the fact that on this one issue she's on the same side as the Islamofascists, and the denial of same is taking its toll.

mississauga matt - I repeat, a 'name' is a word, and words are human creations. There is no natural link between a word and its object. The word 'cat' does not have an essential relation to the material animal. It is an arbitrary, socially derived and learned connection. This is basic linguistics.

You state that there is no language known as Palestinian. So what? What does that have to do with the name of a territory? There's no language known as 'Canadian' either. Or Mexican, Brazilian, Argentinian, or even Israeli. Are you seriously suggesting that unless a population has a unique and distinct language, with the same name as themselves, they can't function as a nation?

There has indeed been a land and people known as Palestine, which is what the British called it during their mandate, but it certainly hasn't been governed by Palestinians. And so what? Are you suggesting that a people cannot become a self-governing nation unless they had already been self-governing? That removes the USA from the list..and most other countries as well, who all moved from functioning as colonies or fiefdoms..to self-governance.

As I also said, it is unrealistic to, as you are doing, insist that a population cannot become a nation unless they existed under that same name, as a people, and with the territory under that same name. That would mean that the USA could never, under your theory, be legally formed. Or Canada.

It is also an error to merge all Arabs into one, just as it is an error to merge all Europeans into one. The peoples living in different areas have different historical influences, environmental, and economic influences - and have emerged as different peoples, each with their own regional differences in cultural habits, regional histories, regional accents and linguistic variations. This diversity is normal amongst all peoples - eg, you get regional differences in all countries (France, England, Germany etc). So, it is quite incorrect to merge arabic culture into one monolithic form.

And, justthinkin - I'm not sure where you get your conclusion that I have 'zero knowledge' of totalitarianism. Nor do you have any knowledge of my direct experience of 'the real world'. Because I have a university education does not mean that I am ignorant of the real world; that's quite illogical or you to make such a claim.

What does 'tribal university garbage' mean? I repeat, the FACT that much of the Arab world was and is organized economically, politically and socially within a tribal infrastructure is a vital clue to understanding their behaviour.

And no, I tend to ignore juvenile insults, so, I'll continue to debate these issues. You can ignore me.

mm - I'm on the same side as the Islamic fascists? Heh, that's quite a stretch. Prove it. I doubt if you even know the basic causes of Islamic fascism.

The library at Gaza U caught fire during the raids and almost all the completed research papers were lost. It is speculated that the custom of storing leftover used crayons in the same graduate student stacks with the partially finished practice placards and coloring books fed the flames.

I know one thing for sure, I would not want to live or work in either area. To much irrational hatred from both sides, from the past, present and future.

Merle Underwood I understand what you say, but have you given any thought to the amount of irrational hatred we have imported? The problem is that it is not limited nor restricted to the Middle East.

Guess what ET.Your use of the term illogical speaks volume.Not ONCE on here have you proved you know anything other then what was spoon fed you.So I don't your "real" world experience.So why don't you fill me and a few other posters here in on it?? UMMMM???

And as per our hostess's wish,we can carry this on at snafu10.shaw.ca.

Whoopppss....snafu10@shaw.ca

ET,

"You state that there is no language known as Palestinian. So what? What does that have to do with the name of a territory?"

It's the false mythology that's more than implied. Compliance is demanded. Otherwise, what? You're racist for denying the obvious lie?

Agreed. A word is nothing without meaning. It's the false pretense. The meaning that the various 'Islamic' people are construing into a brand: The Palestinians.

And, more importantly, as for Islam in general, construing into race.

What utter BS.

Missauga Matt, excellent info, thanks.

ET: Concerning the name "Palestinian", I think the main point the posters are trying to make is that the KGB-created PLO, invented a "Palestinian" Arab people as a brilliant propaganda coup. But they were really just Arabs.
The point is this: before the invention, it was TINY Israel against massive Arab populations, representing, as someone pointed out above, a fraction of 1% of the Arab land mass. This is why the world overwhelmingly cheered Israel's historic victory in the Six-Day War of 1967.

Pre-invention: Israel-David vs. Arab-Goliath. Problem: How can we get world sympathy for our goal of destroying TINY Israel.

Voila! The "Palestinians" become the TINY people.

Post-invention: Arab-David vs. Israel-Goliath.

This has to be one of the greatest propaganda coups in history. Your confusion in this area -- despite your formidable intelligence and learning -- eloquently and pointedly highlights this propagada success.