Stephen Harper is quoted in a “wide ranging interview” – “I’m running to win this election. If I don’t win this election, I’m sure my party will look for another leader,”
Now, watch, as it’s run through the Kadyolator! – “[Harper] isn’t planning on sticking around to lead the Conservative charge against the dreaded Permanent Tax on Everything”
Do you think Harper plans to stick around if he loses?
Her point is that journalists covering the campaign can’t ask him about the remark becuse he’s gone back into his hidey-hole.
Just typical of the lot of the skewers and spinners passing themselves off a journalists. They’re opinionators and worse than that they pass their opinions off as facts. Journalistas is closer to what they are. This from Kady O’My, is a real example of hos the facts are skewed. She should be forced to tell us when Harper TOLD HER he wasn’t sticking around if defeated.
Dion says he’s staying on regardless . Now that’s a cause to donate to …….. and celebrate .
Lloyd, what hidey hole? Is that the one you go when you’re close to majority victory? Hmm, Harper is a “quitter” because he says if he weren’t to win something everyone knows he is going to win, he would probably lose his job.
Is that something like, “if I don’t win what everyone knows I have zero chance of winning, I won’t quit, because the United Nations will have to wait, you can only save the world one country at a time.” OK I added in that last part.
I thinks it’s called a winner compared to a loser; it’s called a leader vrs a environmental ideologue; it’s called someone in touch with the reality of life vrs someone still trapped in the seminar room, tossing his student’s papers in the trash can.
Gotta love those “we’ll play clean” Liberals. I have just one question, though, if the Tories “targetted” Ontario, how is it that they don’t have a plan? Or, do they just have a plan for Ontario, but not the rest of Canada?
Anyway, I was confused. Thanks, Lloyd, for clearing everything up. Happy Thanksgiving and God bless you all.
Taber and Oliver were really torquing this on QP today as well.Watching Taber’s interview with Dion,and now the replay of the Mansbridge/Dion interview,it is so blatant that Dion just follows the same talking points that he has in his stump speeches..when he is tossed a question,he cannot think on his feet,and I am finding him more empty with each appearance.
BTW,there is a ‘breaking news’ at top of Bourque..Dion’s secret deal with May-Deliver green votes to Libs,get a Senate seat,and cabinet post as Min.of Environment.hello Liberals…remember the stink you raised over Fortier??
Has anyone noticed that if you click through on the “jobs” button on the NDP website, it informs you that there are “no jobs available”. At least they’re telling the truth there!
I voted twice since both statements are true. I understand that if I were an American in a democratic state I’d be able to vote twice there too.
Dion says he’ll stay on even if he loses, because he has big plans for a coalition to kick out Harper anyway in the event of a minority. Watch for it. If Harper gets his majority, Dion will be out faster than you can say “Get!”
Journalists’ definition of rich: anyone who earns more than they do.
Journalists play a game of intermediation: value proposition to the public: “information”; value proposition to the policians: “shaping of public opinion”.
The Internet provides the means to disintermediate these manipulators, and this debunking post demonstrates exactly how.
Now, why does KO dare not ever mention SDA? Why not go after SDA, KO? Because you know the truth as I have just expressed it. Do not dare to raise curiosity within the herd!
Let me just say that I am glad that my personal value proposition does not depend on a dead-tree industry, busy sawing off the very limb on which it rests by embracing the Goracle’s Planet Kooling Aid. Give that a think KO.
Speaking of “journalism”, check out Michael Moore’s new “documentary” “project”:
http://filmchatblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/michael-moore-harasses-canadians-again.html
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“soccermom says… Dion says he’ll stay on
even if he loses”
are you kidding… steffi wants to rip the meat
off harper’s bones.
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MUST READ:Bourque has revealed details of the deal between May/Dion..Lib insiders ‘leaking’..what will this mean?
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“soccermom says… Dion says he’ll stay on even
if he loses”
are you kidding… steffi wants to rip the meat
off harper’s bones.
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Has anyone considered that Harper meant exactly what he said?
Did he say he would step down? No
Did he say that he thought the party may want a new leader after a lost election? Yes
Move along.
Well, first of all, Bourque’s news on Dion/May means May is acknowledging she won’t win Central Nova. So she needs a Senate Appt. Saw this one coming a long time ago. She does not care about her green candidates, only herself, and getting that Lib Environment post.
The stakes in this election just got raised quite a few notches. This is dangerous business, people.
Anybody catch the Sunday Toronto Star?
Above-the-fold headline states “Tories closing in.”
Hmmm. If Pravda says McBusHarper might be in for a majority just two days before the election I’m wondering if we could see it come to pass.
Oh, please be true.
Mind you, maybe it’s some sort of “reverse psychology” played on the readers of the Red Star to get them out in force to stop Lil’ BusHarper.
OK, I’m done with sophomoric name mangling.
GO CPC!!!!
DaWG
A resident of America’s Hat©
About that leak on Bourque. Iggy or Rae I would guess…since Dion said he’d stay on if he lost, they must figure he needs to now lose worse.
I can’t vote for any of the main party’s
I’m a 3rd generation right wing conservative voter, with a fair size family, no one here will vote conservative either.
I will be voting Christan heritage for two main reasons
1)We just gave 25 billion 1 8th of the overall Canadian budget to the banks. The same banks that gouged us for years, and made so many billions of profit year after year.
2) Henry Morgentaler received the order of Canada. This butchers only claim to fame was the amount of babies he murdered. I really don’t care about your position on the abortion debate, but at least you could agree there are far more deserving Canadians.
Peter
There goes David McGuinty’s Min of Env.position if Dion gets in (gawd forbid)..this could create another whole level of in-fighting.So much for Mr.Integrity..he’s running on ‘Harper lied’,and if this bourque thing pans out…Dion and May are the biggest liars of the whole campaign.
Peter at 1:39 PM
so what is your opinion on Kady’s spin piece????
try stating such without a sermon!!!!!
Mr. Dion has to stay on if he loses this election.
Otherwise he will get no help paying down his personal debt from the leadership race.
Mr. Harper can leave any time he wants.
Does anyone doubt he is capable of providing for his family without help from his political party?
Just for the record…
Mr. Harper stated the obvious, if he loses this election it will be the Conservative Party that wants to replace him.
He however would have the good grace and common sense to recognise this and step aside.
Harper was asked by Craig Oliver on QP about what he would do if he lost the election.
Jane Taber told Layton…”Harper said he’s quitting if he loses”. Then Layton said “He’s talking about losing 2 days before an election?” What Jane FAILED to mention was it was Craig putting the question forth to Harper.The answer from Harper was not the way Jane phrased it.
Then we have Elizabeth May talking about the Cadman tape…saying it was not tampered with and Stephen Harper should be charged with “PERGERY”. And now thay say he is not taking questions from the media. Why should he, when they manipulate the facts or don’t report them to begin with.
Roy Green show will be covering how the media has acted during this campaign.Will also have segmaent on the bloggers,complete with Cherniak and Stephen Taylor.It’s on now.
Haha … the desperation ….. the reeking fear …. the end of days is here … for the liberals.
OT but to clarify Peter’s statement.
The Government did NOT give the Banks $25B. The Government PURCHASED $25B in mortgage paper. It was a purchase and sale transaction, not a giveaway. Sheesh!
Why would Prime Minister Harper stay on if he loses? He’s been through 3 national campains. That should be enough to drive any one crazy. He sat through the debate while 4 idiots called him names. Why would any one bother?
Think of it as an asset swap, where the banks get $25 Billion in cash to maintain liquidity in the general economy, and the government gets $25 Billion in mortgages, which the banks have to buy back at some future date. With $25 Bil in cash, the banks can now make far more than that much in loans if need be. Without that liquidity, it’s not just the banks who will suffer — most everyone will suffer.
Liquidity’s lubrication for an economy (or if you will, the oxygen of the economy). Resenting the banks for getting this cash is tantamount to the old “cutting off your nose to spite your face.”
Garth
Dion will have to stay on as leader long enough for the Liberals and prospective leadership candidates to find enough money to finance another leadership convention. It’s as simple as that.
Interesting question in regard to Dion staying to lead the fight against the evil “Arpur”…
If he stays will he be an asset that helps the Libranos refill the war chest or a liability that hinders those efforts.
Based on his track record so far …. I’m inclined to see the big Liability sign flashing on his pasty forehead!
I think Dion needs another four years of HoC paydays to make a dent in his personal [“leadership”] campaign debt. Don’t look for him going without much kicking and flailing about.
Calm down folks! Does anyone here actually think that Harper would say he was going to step down if he loses, IF he actually thought he was going to lose.
He knows better….so do I.
So, the rumour of a deal cooked up between Dion and May seems to be the REAL hidden agenda huh? This is going to blow up in their faces, because I hear(and read) the grassroot Greens and supporters are pissed.
Look for the Green to bleed..orange and boost Layton to official opposition status.
Seriously, if either May or Dion had confidence in their parties and their platforms(or lack of them) they’d not be making this move.
Oh, and by the way it also makes both Layton and Harper correct in their opposition to May being at the debate table – turns out there really were two Liberals at the table.
May is so selling out her party in this.
My belief is that Harper has failed to frame the debate on the two main issues facing Canadians.
He has failed to engage the various left-wing parties in full debate on climate change, allowing them to go around the country repeating day after day the unproven and largely hyperbolic claims of a “climate crisis” which needs “urgent action.” This silence is not in the national interest. How can a conservative leader remain silent while the rest of the major parties propose to destroy the Canadian economy because of a hoax? So here he has been too subtle and has failed to set up any sort of political contrast for later reference (what if he loses, then the issue was never properly debated and goes on to become legislation, just the same problem as with same sex marriage).
The other major issue where Harper has failed in his duty is on freedom of speech. If we can’t trust our Conservative leader to defend the principle of free speech when the leading proponent of it is right there in his war room, then who can we trust? Why the reticence to bring this issue forward? What happened to the Stephen Harper who said ten years ago that the tribunal system was dangerous? Now we have it spreading through the country like a cancer.
If Harper squeaks out a majority despite these shortcomings, then I hope the party will find a little more courage to fight out in the open on these issues. So far many of us doubt that they are even fighting them at all, and this makes the Conservative government like a ship without a rudder, just going wherever the storm of public opinion directs it, just trying to stay upright for the sake of not sinking. At some point, there is no gain from this at all.
We need a leader who understands the need to be more counter-revolutionary. The frustrating thing is that many expected Harper to be that kind of leader and we know he has political ability, so we have to figure he’s grown comfortable with power and less motivated to take difficult measures.
Harper should have been more savvy when asked if he’ll resign if they lose. He should have given it the standard “we’ll cross that bridge when we get there” or “I don’t consider thoughts of losing” or “we’ll sit down as a party and discuss what’s best for the party”. Cliche? you bet. Boring? so what. Answering the way he did only stirs up the left wing politicans and the left wing media and adds nothing to the campaign.
it will be interesting to see who is doing the drive by of Stornoway. Layton man of much free housing, Borat Dion or maybe Bob Rae or Iggy looking to measure the drapes after next weeks lieberal causus meeting.
Et tu Iggy?
peter o’donnell – I don’t think that either topic, that of ‘AGW’ and the HRC’s are amenable to rational debate.
The reason for this is because the basic axioms of both are founded on irrational themes – namely, that:
.the climate is warming. Man is the cause.
.people must not feel bad; criticism makes people feel bad.
Obviously, with regard to the first theme, the link between the two is a matter of faith. Faith is immune to reason and debate. The idea that Man is Sinful is a basic axiom in most religions. So, the theme is beyond the reach of reason. What is starting to dissipate this religious fervor are the economic costs of ’emission control’; the fact that our past few years have been cold not warm; and, the gradual insertion of factual data by means of blogs.
But, this change has to come from the ‘bottom up’, ie, from the people. Not from government. The fact that Harper hasn’t done anything major about emissions and has instead focused on pollution and water clean-up – shows leadership.
As for the HRCs – again, the notion of ‘Human Rights’ is a powerful emotional force. Multiculturalism, unfortunately, is also a powerful emotional force in Canada. The nature of multiculturalism as a strategy of isolation and ‘keeping the immigrants quiet’ means that you do anything to ‘keep them quiet’. That means isolation in word and act. Don’t say anything to upset them.
The fact that this strategy, and the role of the HRCs in controlling freedom of speech – are becoming issues of open debate is important. Again, it has to be from ‘the bottom up’; it can’t be a govt edict. Remember, multiculturalism and bilingualism – both divisive structures – were imposed by govt on the Canadian people.
There are times when leadership means that you step back and allow the people to speak up and demand change.
Somebody freep this poll; the NOs are winning…
From the Sun article: “So if you lose this election will you step down as leader?
A: I think it is inevitable that the party that loses this election will be looking for a new leader.”
Harper does not answer the question directly but he does infer that the Conservatives would replace him.
Talk about running on lies, Dion is still spouting off about reducing income taxes by 10%.
That’s a bold faced lie!!
The Liberals would reduce the rate by which you multiply your tax deductions from 15% to 13.5%.
Yes, 13.5 is 10% lower than 15 but it is only 1.5% of the whole, which are your exemptions.
Its an out and out lie and Dion and Rae are repeating it over and over.
I can’t believe that the Tories are letting it pass.
Let’s play deBeauxOs game:
Some where in Harper’s response I think he said some womyn just don’t want a strong leader.
Any others?
We can talk and speculate all we want but the proof of the Canadian pudding will be in a Harper majority. If he pushes realistic conservative values, ethics and morals the leaches in this society will wither and die. If he doesn’t, we will.
The time for thewestwantsout.com will have arrived.
This seems to be the new Harperite mantra, “we cannot do difficult things, the people must do them, then we will endorse them.”
I can’t picture Ronald Reagan or Margaret Thatcher being that passive.
And we’d be speaking German today if Winston Churchill had taken that attitude.
It is basically an idea cultivated by a timid and possibly lazy CPC hierarchy to avoid difficult conflict and the full-time commitment that comes with it. Of course, it could just be that the Red Tories in charge of the party don’t disagree except they prefer not to pay taxes to fix what they accept is a “climate crisis” — one could infer that position from the statements made by some.
The failure to lead on the HRC issue threatens to become Harper’s biggest flaw as a conservative leader. But in any case, people will continue to struggle against the system, that’s apparently what the CPC wants, but they are asking too much when they insist on our vote without any commitments. They’re not getting mine for free, and if they fall short, perhaps they will start to examine where their real support base was, and how pointless it was to try to steal Liberal votes. Those people will always vote Liberal, they could trot out a sack of hammers as their leader (I know, it would be an improvement) and they would still vote for them. It’s a birth defect of some kind.
People realize they’re on their own in this recession if they vote Harper. That’s not a comforting thought to most people, especially seniors.
Folks, it’s obvious this whole “replace the leader” quote was yet another twist of the knife in Dion. Harper knows he’s going to win; what he said was aimed directly at Dion: Steffi, you’re screwed Wednesday morning, the knives will be out, you’re delusional if you think they’ll let you stay on.
Lloyd Fister, are you old enough to vote?
The stakes in this election just got raised quite a few notches. This is dangerous business, people.
Posted by: Soccermom :
Nice to see someones not sleeping. Your entirly correct. In fact its probably worse than we can imagine. I might also add the HRC’s have been given even more powers. Everywhere one turns these day’s, nothing but lies from all. Decepton on a big scale, & outright criminality.
What will happen to the liberal party if Harper gets another minority?
We were talking about this the other day, and it doesn’t look good for the liberals.
With the terrible state of their finances and the poor prospects of them getting any better, they are going to have a tough time paying for this election, let alone another leadership race and another election. Plus they lawsuit is still hanging over their heads.
So they will have to sit on their hands, and that aint going to go well with the voters.
Harper know what shape they are in and he’ll beat them like a rented mule.
And they will sit on their hands.
The voters will head for the NDP.
The NDP might be nuts, but they aren’t political chameleons and opportunists like the liberals.
The NDP will become the official opposition and the liberals will effectively cease to exist.
The fun part of this is that the CBC and the MSM tried so hard to keep Harper from getting a majority and help the liberals, and that will be the kiss of death for the liberals.
Sorta funny when you think about it.
Watched CBC’s Sunday Report. Keith Boag said that in order for the NDP to become a “truly national party”, it will have to win a seat in Quebec, which would give it representation in every province.
So by Keith’s own admission, the LPC, as it stands now, with no representation in Alberta (more so the case if Goodale loses his Saskatchewan seat Tuesday night), is not a “truly national party”? Where does Keith stand on this? I’d like to know. Does it take two? If Saskatchewan follows Alberta’s lead, will two provinces having no Liberal representation mean that the Liberals are, in Keith’s view, no longer deserve to be called Canada’s “natural governing party”? One, two, three? How many Keith? The reality is that his comments reveal a particular arrogance and contempt for the west by the central Canada, Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal axis of evil media. And it’s not Quebec-bashing because if Jack was seeking to secure a single seat in Ontario instead of Quebec, I believe Boag would’ve made the same comment.
Unfortunately for those seeking truth and honesty in media, tuning into watch Boag Tuesday night will yield more of the same. You know Keith has written his storyline already: “Peter, this is a failure for Harper because he did not secure a majority and many will be wondering for how much longer can he keep his job?” not “Peter, these results for the Liberal Party are devastating, it’s their worst showing in 24 years, combining that with a nasty battle to assume power that’s sure to follow, and a party deeply in debt, as well as a party whose central plank was a carbon tax that was not just a policy but a core held belief as well… with its massive rejection by Canadians from coast-to-coast, how will the Liberals distance themselves from it in the next election without Canadians wondering if they can trust them? They have many problems ahead… back to you, Peter.”
Bourque.org has quite a spread on the Lieberal/Green daliance. Lots of pissed off Greens in Canada tonite. Liz has shat her bed and jumped into bed with Borat Dijon. Nasty stuff. Hope this translates into lots more votes for the CPC.
The message I got from the interview was, if cdns vote for dion and the carbon tax, don’t expect us to vote against it to save you. I have always said the conservatives would not abstain or sit on their hands, or hide, but I never said they would vote NO to legislation, the budget or throne speech. They might enjoy watching cdns and the media to beg them to save them from themselves. You don’t want a carbon tax but vote liberal thinking someone will vote against it, think again. Instead the west will be making its own plans to tell Ottawa NO.