A Difference in Values

124 Replies to “A Difference in Values”

1. I totally agree, pete e. Rather than being held accountable for small, but significant misdemeanours, our kids, in large numbers, at home and school, are being let off the hook. Excuses are made. Our children are learning that they can play the system and get away with all kinds of things, from vandalizing class materials to bringing weapons and drugs to school.
   As a result, after nearly four decades in the classroom, I have seen the number of irresponsible, entitled, bully kids, with no concept of altruism at all, grow from an insignificant number to a critical mass. Try walking down the hall of most public schools at transition times: you’ll probably have to hug the wall or brazen your way through if you don’t want to be shoved. Hold a door open for you? You’ve got to be joking! These kids—even the nicer, less barbaric ones—think almost 24/7 of themselves and their own wants.
   When the “adults”—now, there’s a whole other problem—ignore the “kids will be kids” infractions, children don’t learn to set reasonable boundaries for themselves and the infractions worsen. (Think of all the excuses for Omar Khadr.) By the time people realize they have a seriously dysfunctional kid on their hands, it’s pretty well too late.
   We’re bringing up a very self-referential, arrogant group of non-citizens. Rudy Guiliani, where are you?

2. I never knew until explained to me by liberals that if you shout something in unison, it becomes true.

3. 1. NEVER judge an incident on the basis of incomplete information. Who knows for sure why the cops came and what the problem was? Caption says complaint was made…ergo, cops came.
   2. Citizens are obligated to comply with the reasonable requests of police, are they not? They asked the people to move and they were refusing and then started to cause a disturbance.
   3. Disturbance of the peace is against the law. The cops had a duty to perform.
   4. The cops gave everyone MUCH warning and were very polite. The crowd refused to comply…they are to blame.
   5. I suspect that the guy arrested had been drinking, based on his beligerance and mannerisms. Drunkenness in a public place is against the law.
   6. Had they shut up and moved, there would have been no problem. But they acted like jerks and got spanked…I have no sympathy for them.
   7. HOWEVER, many cops are puffed-up, little cock-robins who throw their authority around and, essentially, bully people. I suppose it may be a scare tactic to get people to comply, but it rubs me the wrong way. From what I saw, that was not the case here, but the reputation of cops is not great in my experience.
   All in all, a mountain made out of a molehill. The cops had a duty to move them, the jerk-off artists refused and the cops couldn’t be seen to back down, so an arrest was made. I’m ambivalent.

4. BTW, all you kids who think the cops were wrong here (Zog, Stephen, rpall), how about when the cops -don’t- show up for this kind of thing? When the smelly hippies get to do pretty much any damn thing they want?
   How about for a month? Still ok?
   Ok, now how about for two years? At every construction site in the county. Including new homes, businesses, and even paving the church parking lot.
   Welcome to Caledonia! You guys should move there, you’ll like it. Well, unless you’re not an Indian. Then probably not so much, the OPP doesn’t give free passes to anybody but Indians.
   Which is why the Metro boys arrested Mr. Hippie there. It wasn’t for making loud music and creating a bloody nuisance, it was for refusing to comply when asked politely to move on, and then forcefully resisting when being “assisted” in moving on.
   See, your alternative is that the cops don’t come. Then the pissed off residents of those houses come out and punch Mr. Hippie into a fine paste. Mr. Hippie continuing the noise until he gets bored and moves on just isn’t in the cards. He’ll get to like that spot and come back every day, it has electricity. Sooner or later the residents are going to end his music career for him.
   Caledonia goes one better. When a crowd of pissed off residents assembles to kick some smelly hippie ass for the petty theft, arson, unceasing noise and general harassment, the cops come… but they arrest the residents. They even arrest the residents when the residents are standing still and the smelly hippies are assaulting the cops!
   Nice, eh? That’s Ontario for ya.

5. Hardly indicative of Toronto alone!
   I’m sure I could stroll around Vancouver, Edmonton, Regina, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Montréal or Halifax and eventually stumble on a similar stupid incident.

6. You’ve got it, Phantom. The end game of “let it be” is anarchy.
   Aside from Caledonia, where anarchy’s already in full swing, we’re getting close to being there in a lot of other places. Here. In Canada. I’m not making this up.

7. Personally I’ve always been amused by the lessons on freedom, human rights and libertarianism being given out by the self-proclaimed rights experts in central Canada while western grain farmers suffer under the totalitarianism of the Canadian Wheat Board.
   Talk about mealy-mouthed!

8. Yep you betcha, lookout. We’ve got Deseronto and Napanee, we’ve still got Ipperwash, this stuff is popping up all over Canada. Why? Because the cops are afraid to arrest the smelly hippies in case Zog and Stephen get all upsetted. And stop voting Liberal.
   Lest any of you tender hearts think I’ve got some sort of hate on for the Indians, I don’t. They’ve got as much right to be cranky and demonstrate their crankyness as anybody. Got a lot to be cranky about, too. Don’t we all.
   But. There’s a limit on the manner of demonstration in a civil society, and the COPS are the ones we pay money to maintain those limits. Most individual cops are more than happy to do it, I’ve talked to quite a few. They have orders not to. Illegal orders mind you, so I’m not too happy about that, but not everybody has the intestinal fortitude to down tools and walk off the job when the boss over reaches his authority, and John Law needs to pay the mortgage same as me.
   The guy who gave those illegal orders though, him I’ve got a major problem with.

9. Phantom, the boss guys who give illegal orders sound like far too many public school administrators, who are helping to train a whole lot of Caledonia wannabes.
   Schools all have behaviour codes: teachers who actually enforce them–or try to–are often foiled by an unholy alliance between irresponsible parents and “aren’t we great” administrators who want to keep problems under the radar. I know far too many teachers who have been hauled on the carpet for actually giving consequences for behaviour code infractions. Who’s in trouble? Not the kid: it’s the teacher! So, in self-defence (though I’ve avoided being one of them, I’m sympathetic), there are some teachers, like some police officers, who learn to turn a blind eye.
   ‘Very bad news for all of us.

10. That video is also good evidence of how the relaxation of physical standards for police has CAUSED more problems. That weedy musician was taller than both the cops, and it took BOTH of them to handcuff this guy who was only mildly resisting. Nobody was watching their backs – somebody could have easily smashed a rock or guitar on the cop’s head. This situation escalated to an arrest when it really could have been avoided, and it could have potentially been much, much worse for the cops if the band were, say, from a more agitatable group.
    Imagine now if this were the 1950s: two big Irish or Scottish cops, each over 6 feet and 240 pounds simply telling this guy to shut ‘er down NOW. The weeds would have meekly packed up and gone home, seeing that the truncheons on their belts had a number of tooth marks on them . . .

11. This where the cops/residents need to be more creative. Use the 7-11 method. Every time a crowd like this starts to form disperse them with loud blasts of polka music.

12. I have seen enough police videos of officers being hit by traffic as they are trying to do their jobs,this is why they block traffic while they are trying to subdue a situation like this.The law of the land are tere because we the people put them there weather we like them or not.The police were not there because they didnt have anything better to do they were there because someone had to have called them and complained about what was going on.
    Over and over the police kindly asked them to stop what they were doing and to pack up and vacate the scene,if these idoits would have done that and not made such a scene the police would have left them alone.Its amazing how these people taunt the police and try to shame for trying to do thier job i wounder if they would feel this way when it comes time for them to call on the police for help
    prove me wrong

13. Yup, there certainly aren’t any smelly hippies out west. Just so long as you go the wrong way from SK to get to Vancouver you can pretend all the “wrong” sort of people only live in the east.
    Small-minded people think geography is more important than character. And you wonder why the leftards in Toronto think of you as parochial hicks.

14. Oh we had some of the smellie hippies show up here in Alberta tryin to spew there leftard crap so we did what every good redneck does for all leftards and give them free bus tickets home to vancouver or toronto

15. What was that music? Look, unless someone made a complaint, I don’t see how they harmed anyone. Noise ordinances are for pussies and yeah, it did seem the cops were just trying to inconvenience him by arresting him. Great video though — highly entertaining.
    I can’t get that “tune” out of my head.

16. trucman
    You left out Redmonton. I was there visiting my Grandma when I was younger and had never heard of a “fringe festival” so I went to check it out. It was a scary sight full of granola-munching freaks and carnies. I have not made that same mistake again. My only excuse was that I was very young and wasn’t wise in the ways of the world… lol.
    Don’t tell me there are no hippies in Alberta. I’ve seen ’em. They look the same as the hippies everywhere else.
    Although I’ve been to visit my grandparents and aunts & uncles from my Dad’s side in Redcliffe/Medicine Hat at least 20 times. There are no hippies in Medicine Hat. At least none which were allowed to live. My 4 uncles alone out there would have been deterence enough…

17. Violent demonstators at Caledonia = doofus old hippies in Toronto???? C’mon, that’s a stretch. The boo birds were an easy mark – armed thugs at Caledonia, not so easy!
    For the record, I would say that anyone physically threatening a police officer OR members of the public, should be brought down with whatever force is necessary even, in extremis, lethal force, although the latter isn’t something to take lightly. (cf the clusterf*ck at Ipperwash.)

18. Violent demonstators at Caledonia = doofus old hippies in Toronto???? C’mon, that’s a stretch. The boo birds were an easy mark – armed thugs at Caledonia, not so easy!
    For the record, I would say that anyone physically threatening a police officer OR members of the public, should be brought down with whatever force is necessary even, in extremis, lethal force, although the latter isn’t something to take lightly. (cf the clusterf_ck at Ipperwash.)

19. jay-mo
    I would bet that police officers probablly have certain protocals of how far they position thier cruisers when responding at the scene.
    Abuse of power my ass.
    It is the city councelers who make the laws and citizens who are hired as officers of the law to enforce them. If these low lifes have a problem with city bylaws than they should write their alderman to complain and not try to harass or embaras an officer who is carring out his duty. The aging hippy looked to be in his fifties. What a role model this shit will be to his child who is not even born yet. They breed….scary.

20. Warwick
    Yes you are right there are a few hippies still kickin around that refuse to use their free bus tickets but when they want to have their little concerts we do allow them a couple days a year and away from to many peoples houses we still have to be somewhat politicaly correct out here.If things get to far out of control we send in the fire and brimstone preachers to calm things down haha

21. I miss the T.O. cops of 30 years ago who would have beaten the crap out of losers like these.

22. This could have easily been a Dj blocko party. No matter. Simple fact is they could have applied for a permit – they didnt. Can you get permits to play in the construction of street car tracks?
    I saw several parking lots – why not ask one of the owners if they would be down for a little blocko jam?
    I mean all the cool kids play in traffic.
    The police asked them to shut it down. Bald boy decided he was going to take it to another level with his friends.
    They could have kept the pie holes shut – packed up let 5 “o” leave – then came back.
    But NO!!! bald boy wanted to play with the PoPo.
    Back in the day – That would have been a ride to Cherry Beach 🙂
    Zog what bothers me is when you use the word “respect”.
    Perhaps they should have respected the people in blue?

23. They should’ve let some Dallas cops do the job, those boys would have told those dumbasses to shut their f**kin mouths and left to take care of real policing, but then again here in Dallas some guy with a shotgun would have taken care of a situation like this anyways.

24. They should’ve let some Dallas cops do the job, those boys would have told those dumbasses to shut their f**kin mouths and left to take care of real policing, but then again here in Dallas a citizen with a shotgun would have taken care of a situation like this anyways.