Or, as Kathy Shaidle likes to say, “Journalists – our moral and intellectual superiors!”
(Great work, Richard)
Update: I’m told that CTV.ca has quietly cut the offending portion from the tape on their online site. Not that there was anything wrong with it! **** Update 2: Or did they? Others tell me the segment is now intact.
Dana,
I’m sure by now the 306 numbers have become notorious at CTV for belonging to ‘those knuckle dragging Saskatchewan callers’
(MND, I only hear CBC news because I listen to Radio 2–for now: CBC’s canning all its classical programs. CBC also canned most of its on-the-hour news a while ago. Today, as I tried not to listen to the Lukiwski fiction hour by hour, I wished CBC has cancelled ALL of its radio news. What an assault CBC’s propaganda is. I don’t watch CBC TV.)
(I’m surprised my above comment got through: after posting, I saw a screen I’d never seen before–not Kate’s–that said my comments had been screened or something. ???)
K, I asked the unidentified male voice if it was caller id that told him I was from Saskatchewan but he would not even admit that.
lookout, I have been listening in on the channels my tax dollars support, and I do like the non-commercial aspect of the fm, but the am news is difficult to listen to.
‘yelling at the radio’ is why I kept coming back here not only for Kates writing but the comments.
Melissa Fung’s covered this growing scandal on The National tonight, introduced at the top of the hour as “Under Fire — A Saskatchewan MP faces growing outrage over a gay slur..”
Here’s the condensed version:
“Anti-gay..anger…outrage… accused prime minister Harper of condoning bigotry… shocking… people don’t change… if you think that then, you’re going to think that now…. does the prime minister realize that his tepid response to these hateful remarks against gays and Canadians suffering from AIDS tells Canadians that hate, bigotry and prejudice are just fine in his Canada…. hurtful and intolerant…. another indication of Conservative values..Melissa Fung, CBC News.”
The biggest hypocrites are the ‘outraged’ Libs and Dippers who have said scummy stuff while at parties that didn’t get on video for the MSM to use…yet.
Dana, I’d have flung my slippers or worse at the radio today if there weren’t a very nice table lamp between me and it.
As for CBC TV, fung Melissa Fung and her ilk!
“Call CTV News Toronto at 416-332-7400 and express your outrage.
I just called at 10:40pm Est to complain and I was “assured” by the unidentified man, to whom I spoke, that he would definitely pass it on to his bosses. Ya…..riiiggghht. Well I tried anyways.
Call now and complain!!!
lookout: Yeah, Radio2 with me too. And indeed I’m noticing the gutting of classical music programming. My daughter — a professional violist living in NYC — believes, with me, that CBC Radio2 classical music programming might be the very best in the world.
Ah, yes, now I remember that buzzword from the early 70s teacher-training: RELEVANCE. The CBC is becoming cool/relevant, HIP, going for the youth market. The Signal!!! The superb Rick Phillips’ Sound Advice is gone!
Today, I heard about 4 words of that MP’s grovel in Parliament but being on a quiet residential street I was able to get if off safely!
Vitruvius: Funnily enough, I just finished (ET’s suggestion) Karl Popper’s The Open Society and Its Enemies. Vol.1 is a devastating critique of Plato, the totalitarian. Strangely, I feel I know a lot more about Canadian public affairs since my ban on MSM “news”; I’m also often shocked to learn how little some of my acquaintances know about public affairs from over-reliance on MSM. Do a poll sometime and discover how few know anything about the HRC travesty.
I’m very poor on the letter/e-mailing front however. This is something I’d like to improve on instead of relying on more proactive people like lookout, batb, and others. I would be a natural as I can be one major pain when I set my mind to it (a skill, honed over years dealing with a securities commission).
Sadly, MAILER-DAEMON@mail28.ctv.ca has bounced my email to the crack news? team at ctv.ca [newsonline@ctv.ca] I will try to email Mike Duffy at duffy@ctv.ca
What I sent was the failed email and this:
Hi Mike
Apparently the email address on ctv’s state of the art web offering for the ‘CTV.ca News Team: newsonline@ctv.ca‘ is not a valid email address.
Perhaps yours works.
Robert Fife called people like me a faggot on your broadcast. Knuckle-dragger is no less an epithet and he said it with no visible restraint even relish, imho, and in fact he has the support of the progressive media in demeaning rednecks, crackers, and all the other euphemisms for white men. Are rednecks legitimate targets in the msm?
Will he retract these statements and apologize? Do you think he should?
Dana
ps this is all on a thread at SDA
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/008420.html#comments
Complaining to CTV directly is useless folks. The way to apply leverage is through their revenue streams. Talk to their commerical sponsors. Express your opinions to their sponsors.
I do find Fife a bit over-the-top. There was another issue (probably Cadman) on which he was carrying on as though he alone is the arbiter of public morals. He preaches. It’s absurd. He invariably offers a one-dimensional analysis of whatever situation, and I find he frequently just parrots whatever journalistic scuttlebut is going on an issue. In my mind, he is not a very thoughtful journalist. My comments are not a knee-jerk left-right reaction to his news coverage — there are some journalists on the left that I do think offer thoughtful analysis — not Fife. It’s amazing he has got as far as he has.
There they go again.
CTV with genial, affable Lloyd. A short overview by Robert Fife. The calls for the MP’s resignation.
The big mistake possibly being made here is of continuing apologies. You should not give the sharks circling a prey any more tit bits.
In this our American friends may be leading the way. Some of them have given it back in spades. Hopefully the whole thing will blow over.
Knuckledraggers in the Conservative party. eh? What about the commmunists in the Liberal party and their hidden agenda. Oh, whats that, no comment? Snicker, snicker, nudge, nudge, wink, wink. Oh Fifie wfie your such a shrew! Figured as much! What’s the use, where’s my greencard and direct TV remote.
I never thought, EBD, that the CBC of my youth would one day fail to even live up to the standards of the National Enquirer, and now this. I can forgive a lot in love, war, and politics, but when a whole organization flushes basic decency down the toilet, completely ignoring the titular issue at hand?
Yes ladies and gentlemen, step right up, three for a dollar, blatant ad hominems, grandiose innuendos, and prurient gossip; no, don’t worry about your civilization folks, wallow in the mud with us.
Come on little boy, they say, wanna’ candy?
(PS to MND: I too vastly prefer Aristotle and Pythagoras to Plato; that does not, at least for me, distract from the brilliance of that particular aphorism of which to him has been attributed.)
If people don’t change does that mean that Liberals will always be stealing our money in brown paper bags if they ever get re-elected? Shouldn’t Sven Robinson be locked up somewhere for stealing a diamond? He’s over 40 when he sto;e that diamond ring. Heh?
MND, I altogether approve of your becoming a royal pain to some lefty, or other person, who deserves it: the sooner the better. Go for it!
(I wrote Rick Phillips of Sound Advice when I learned of the demise of his wonderful program. God knows—and probably doesn’t want to!—what execrable inanity, with ditzy, noisy, self-referential host[ess], will replace this erudite and most entertaining—and helpful—program and host. I also wrote the CBC blog and gave them HELL, which 98% of the other posters did too.)
Now, back to this topic: today I wrote Lukiwski—about his grovelling and sissy apology. Go and do something likewise!
Fife is a liberal and liberalism is just an excuse for bad behavior
call CTV and demand a retraction from Fife – or better yet, send Robert Fife an e-mail directly and give him a piece of your mind
rfife@ctv.ca
It shows how much I watch Canadian news. I didn’t even kow who this asshole Fife was.
No wonder he’s got such a soft spot for homos, did you hear his voice?
It was so high pitched and effeminate if he were on the radio I would have thought he was a woman.
gawwd I hate journalists. These people are a bunch of useless wastes of space.
..of which to him has been attributed.
Knew it. You ARE 3 sheets to the wind.
You hate journalists, John? All journalists? I’m just asking because if so, then I should like to note that I don’t agree with you. There are and have been many great journalists. Besides, I don’t hate, it’s a waste of energy, just ask Sun Tzu. Remember that no matter how rich or poor your harvest, separating the wheat from the chaff is your problem, not nature’s.
RE the xtra comment: “You probably know someone who’s turned a trick too. [Don’t YOU?]” Oh my gosh — I don’t think I do know anybody who has “turned a trick or too” (sic AND sick) I think I am relieved that the Harper government is looking at ensuring that tax payers money is not going to subsidize films for these folks. Let’s hope that bill passes.
Shaken – you are on the right track suggesting that we e-mail the sponsers and tell them that we will be boycotting their goods if CTV does not demand an apology from Fife and Robertson.
A old party tape is just that – and I am sure more old party tapes from other political events will surface – if the Dippers and Puffins and msm are so offended by this old tape imagine how they will feel when the tape has pictures of media types ridiculing other people? They apparently do not like cowboys (ranchers), Conrade Black, President Bush…and from the olden days…Margaret Thatcher, Queen Elizabeth, Ronald Regan, Arnold Swartzniger, farmers in chains (for selling their own wheat), Preston Manning, Ralph Kline, Anne Cools…..the list never ends….Duffy looked nervous when he mentioned the ol Press gangs parties….
Some people might wish that what happened in the past would stay in the past.
Excellent job with the Fife ‘tape’ Richard!
Anyone know what happened to the Grewal tape?
Vitruvius
Have you read Cayce’s over 14,000 readings. Note they are not on your site.
Vitruvius, what disturbs me more than the professional malfeasance of Fife, is the corporate linkages behind it all. Something is very wrong when the public spectrum is so significantly biased in favor one one particular political party. There is little that we can do about that, other than take note and remain observant.
Fife, on the other hand, seems unconcerned with the prospects of a Conservative majority government, which would no doubt find some way to “reward him”. He is either extremely confident of the effectiveness of the “information” cocoon woven around “vote rich” Ontario, or, is at his career’s end and does not care about consequences.
Whatever the case, your sanguine attitude through this episode is noted, and applauded. Besides, you have exquisite musical taste – something about which we must confabulate some day.
John@11:21;
As for his voice, what does that matter? If he is in fact gay, how would this be germaine to the discussion? The answers are it doesn’t matter at all.
What matters is that an alleged reporter is acting as an editorialist. He is guilty of the same stereotyping that he derides ALL conservatives for. The vitriol dripping from his words were a sickening display of partisianship. As such HE has no credibility and should be censured.
Fife is a shill for the Liberal Party and should be right in line for an immediate demotion. Human interest stories out of, oh I don’t know, Dawson City perhaps. But that won’t happen. Watch for his immediate appointment to the Senate, should the Libs get back into power.
As a Canadian taxpayer I am pissed off that these fuc*king Assh**les would pick on Canadian faggots that way. We are a tolerant society, and these leftist son of a bit*ches need to be imprisoned individually as the “Man of honor” at the next liberal queer party convention in Ottawa, then sent for sensitivity training once they’ve healed!!! Bast*rd’s!
I agree, Vitruvius, it’s all those things you say. It’s unnerving, almost, to see political operatives who have access to the airwaves, under a fraudulent clock of journalism, and that this anti-Conservative enterprise costs taxpayers, including Conservative taxpayers, *billions* of dollars.
BTW, should make clear that the quotes in my comment above aren’t all Fung. The line “Does the prime minister realize that his tepid response to these hateful remarks against gays and Canadians suffering from AIDS tells Canadians that hate, bigotry, and prejudice are all just fine in his Canada?” was from a clip of — a very well groomed, I must admit — Scott — and his skin is smooth, very smooth, almost creamy, compared to Litiwski’s, on the frightening zoom in they displayed on screen from the video — Scott Brison.
The “hurtful and intolerant and another indication of Conservative attitudes” quote was from Donna Smith of the SFLSPC (Saskatchewan Federation of Labour Solidarity and Pride Committee).
The “It’s kind of shocking” was from a man on the street. The “I don’t know if he should be a member of parliament…” was from a woman on the street. The “People don’t change; like, if you think that then…” quote was from another young woman on the street.
Funny how in a country crawling with people full of invective about the criminal tendencies and connections and arrogance of the LPC, the CBC never managed to edit those people into any reports. What odds? There’s a lot of people whose views are reflected by some of the comments on this thread who’d have quite a lot to say about the Liberals, and about CBC. Surely the reporters must run into such Canadians fairly frequently when they’re asking questions on the street. So how come those people never make it to air?
BTW, PS, wrt the Fife video, check this out: Floyd only gets as far as “Well Bob, some people are saying…” and Fife is already nodding in confirmation — “yup, yup, that’s right, they sure are, absolutely, people really are saying what you’re about to say..”
Typical set-play propaganda.
Manny: “but I find it strange, ET, that on the one hand you are calling for Fife’s head, and on the other, saying that speech should without consequence.” I think what is being requested is a bit of even-handedness on the part of journalists as an aspect of their professional responsibility — I think that is rather different from (and not at all inconsistent with) supporting freedom of expression in the public domain.
Indeed, EBD, as you say, “Typical set-play propaganda”.
Your point, Shaken, is, I think, well taken. No, not your kind words, that’s not for me to say, rather on the degree of culpability in these matters that must be shouldered by the corporatists. I live in the engineering services market. You couldn’t ask for a more honestly competitive meritocratic market environment.
Yet over and over again, we see the corporatists and the plutocrats corrupting the free market, and never more so than when their product is or has become detached from reality. If the CBC was in charge of our sewers, they would by now have been shut down for crony incompetence. Fortunately, people can smell inadequately disposed-of sewage.
Unfortunately, too many people can’t smell inadequately disposed of attempts to perpetrate unjustified power and unearned benefits. Thus we are overrun as usual by a never-ending parade of fraud artists, snake-oil salesmen, and general-purpose all-round shysters.
The only generic advice I have is: don’t panic. Panic is never good.
The only way Tom Lukiwski will get absolution and forgiveness from the liberals and the media is if he performs a live sex act on nation wide television with Bob Fife and Scott Brisson . I sincerely hope they manage to keep Mike Duffy out of the picture .
John: “It shows how much I watch Canadian news. I didn’t even kow who this asshole Fife was.No wonder he’s got such a soft spot for homos, did you hear his voice?It was so high pitched and effeminate if he were on the radio I would have thought he was a woman. gawwd I hate journalists. These people are a bunch of useless wastes of space.”
Sorry Johnny, you’re out of line. We are talking about hypocracy and double standards and bias. Your remarks are just hateful.
CTV really has their shorts in a wringer over this. I wrote three comments on their site and none were posted.
Perhaps it was because I mentioned the hypocracy of the NDP regarding the core values espoused by Tommy Douglas in relation to the word “faggot” used by Tom Lukiwski.
We desperately need a Canadian version of Fox to put an end to the control the media has.
Sent to TD/Canada Trust
As a corporate sponsor of CTV News, I think you need be concerned with the characterization of me, a TD customer, by CTV ‘reporter’ Robert Fife. Mr. Fife referred to me, a socially conservative Canadian, as a “knuckledragger”. In referring to personal remarks by a Sask. MP, Mr. Fife then smeared all supporters of the Conservative party as being unsophisticated and neanderthal like, in our beliefs. This is unacceptable.
I have been a customer of TD for nearly thirty years both personally and corporately. I maintain substantial balances at all timea and have paid off several mortgages. It would seem Mr. Fife feels my money in TD is always welcome, but that I should keep my personal views closeted.
Mr. Fife and CTV are being hypocritical and unfair. BTW, if the statement was ‘hurtful’ to homosexuals, the NDP would not have made it public. After all, if there was no publicity, there would be no hurt. But no. But earning points was politically expedient and well worth hurting the very people of whom they claim to be protective. Again, hypocrites.
Edgar Cayce? This Edgar Cayce: “For forty-three years of his adult life, Edgar Cayce demonstrated the uncanny ability to put himself into some kind of self-induced sleep state by lying down on a couch, closing his eyes, and folding his hands over his stomach. This state of relaxation and meditation enabled him to place his mind in contact with all time and space. From this state he could respond to questions as diverse as, “What are the secrets of the universe?” to “How can I remove a wart?” His responses to these questions came to be called “readings” and contain insights so valuable that even to this day individuals have found practical help for everything from maintaining a well-balanced diet and improving human relationships to overcoming life-threatening illnesses and experiencing a closer walk with God.”
No, I think not, life is too short to drink bad wine.
“Sorry Johnny, you’re out of line” Thanks for the response Paul.
Yes, my remarks were hateful. I HATE journalists.
I think the vast majority of journalists for publications or broadcasters in medium to large cities in North America are useless, know-nothing, self righteous blowhards who only went into journalism because they had no drive or talent for anything else.
Robert Fife is a prime example. Objectivity is obviously a quality that requires too much effort or self discipline for him so he doesn’t bother. Typical.
I don’t mean to sound insensitive……….But shouldn’t the liberal left personally look after the aids infected gays and Africans?
I mean they are the only one’s who care really, why should every one else pay for their bad behavior and ignorance?
Call it natural selection! I’m game for that……Why are we forced to pay against a successfully strong conservative way of thought and opinion? They have unprotected gay sex or use dirty needles or can’t balance a mortgage and it’s our fucking problem??? Enough of these useless turds on society go to hell worm meat (in the most vile Christian sense of the term I could imagine). Bite me you useless, pathetic creatures that natural selection would have cleansed the planet from long ago, saved only by conservative societies construction and then neglect of reason through comfort and complacency!
Again I hope I don’t offend and come across as insensitive to the useless lefty drags on humanity, but die and go away pleeeeease.
Africa is lost to humanity regardless of how much of my money you pump into its illiterate, cannibalistic dictatorships, you fucking assholes!
181. Spreading false news-Every one who wilfully publishes a statement, tale or news that he knows is false and that causes or is likely to cause injury or mischief to a public interest is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.
and then there is section 183. Invasion of Privacy and more particularily 193.(1) Disclosure of information
That’s too bad for you, John. When you recover, you may wish to study the works of Robert Fulford, Rex Murphy, Christie Blatchford, Mark Steyn, oh what’s the point? The list goes on. Everone who is well read has their favourite authours. If you can’t separate the wheat from the chaff, you don’t eat.
Lookout: “(I’m surprised my above comment got through: after posting, I saw a screen I’d never seen before–not Kate’s–that said my comments had been screened or something. ???)” Yes, I am getting these screens all the time now — whereas I did not previously. I don’t know what the issue is, but it is frustrating as it interferes somewhat with one’s ability to participate in a discussion.
A murder case in Canada was stated as being solved by Cayce. Evidence of this should exist somewhere.
If I was a Doctor who publishes anything to do with the gay population like Dr. Lorraine Day did back in the 90,s out of San Fransicko, I would be very worried for telling the truth about a certian lifestyle…try and find her book, she was the head of orthopedics at San Fran General, Good Luck. The boys from Sask were having a good time telling the truth, and that name with the ski at the end sounds like it could be Uke in origin, oh my was an actual Uke in the crowd as there was fun being made of a Uke , go to hell you NDPeers and Lieberals Libranos Fiberals whatever.
John: I’m reacting to the effeminate part.
I agree with you on “progressive” journalists, but I don’t hate them. Like it was said … it’s a waste of energy.
I’d rather combat them in the battle of ideas … which I think we are slowly winning thanks to the new media. There are many decent journalists out there … you’ve got to look for the needles in the haystack 🙂
Aha! So it is still there! Thanks Edgar, I’ve been meaning to hunt down that clause for the last few weeks. For the record again, folks, that’s from the Criminal Code, section 181, “Spreading False News”:
“Every one who wilfully publishes a statement, tale or news that he knows is false and that causes or is likely to cause injury or mischief to a public interest is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.”
R.S., c. C-34, s. 177.
Paul, – my last word – it’s getting late.
He fires a low blow with “knuckle draggers”. I hit back with “effeminate”. Fire with fire my friend. Have a good night.
Understood, John, yet he is not them.
You have a good night yourself, too, sir.
Joseph Pulitzer, The North American Review (May, 1904)
Our Republic and its press will rise or fall together. An able, disinterested, public-spirited press, with trained intelligence to know the right and courage to do it, can preserve that public virtue without which popular government is a sham and a mockery. A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself. The power to mould the future of the Republic will be in the hands of the journalists of future generations.
Let’s see, “knuckle draggers”, “hidden agenda”, “iron discipline”, “social conservatives”.
No media bias here. No siree.
Yes, Ural, and don’t forget that Aristotle said that “Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms”. Meanwhile, civilization advances, three steps forward, two steps back. That’s the whole shtick Zeno didn’t grok. Yes, there’s an infinate number steps, yet since each step in the limit is infinately small, the integral remains finite.
Or as Albert Camus wrote, “I leave Sisyphus at the foot of the mountain! One always finds one’s burden again. But Sisyphus teaches the higher fidelity that negates the gods and raises rocks. He too concludes that all is well. This universe henceforth without a master seems to him neither sterile nor futile. Each atom of that stone, each mineral flake of that night filled mountain, in itself forms a world. The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man’s heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.’
Why are you so mad about Bob Fife’s comments?
If you believe Lukiwski is telling the truth – aren’t Fife’s comments also inherently honest?