“Last week when I was on the Hill mingling with some MPs from both the Liberal and the Tory parties, I asked an MP for an opinion on the freedom of speech/ Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn human rights complaints. This particular MP was appalled by it. I asked this individual for a public comment. After a few moments thought, the MP decided not to.
“Then this person mused–alas, I did not have a notebook or my recorder out so I can’t recall the exact words–that some MPs might be afraid to speak out on this issue, afraid their families might be targeted.”
There was a recent home invasion in Calgary at the residence of a family that had made a HRC complaint against an Islam leader. This was given little coverage. Also,in Calgary,the next night a home was firebombed with 6 people inside. I am just speculating here,but the people living there were a middle east family.Are these incidents all related? Are the names of people filing complaints made public? Are we being muzzled by fear and political correctness?
Attacks upon critics is nothing new in Canada. Ask anyone who put up a Conservative or Reform election sign in Toronto. Go talk to some of the leftist election workers and listen to them brag about egging windows, slashing tires, and pitching dog shit at people.
What you see on the internet is merely a reflection of the methods of the leftists on the street. Yes, these people are concerned for the safety of their families. They have good grounds to be.
Canada is finished – at least the Canada I remember…. and I blame liberalism – it’s like a cancer….
Targeted for being conservative? In Canada? Damn right!
Ask Mike Harris. Ask any Reformer throughout Ontario. And the precious thing is, the leftoid jerkoffs also target the families as well.
Coward moonbats, threating children.
Real heroes!
Fenris Badwolf, you’re right.
For example, I’ve heard teachers in Toronto respond to a canvass knock on their door asking for support for a Conservative candidate, they will say “I’m a teacher”.
I then say , tongue in cheek “then I guess I’ll mark you down as a supporter”. Their jaw drops … it’s great fun.
Most teachers aren’t supporters but a few are. I know some that once they retire they will let it be known they will vote Conservative. But you can tell, they are still very nervous about upsetting the union.
In a matter of this importance,how important is protecting a source? If our mp’s are being intimidated into silence,how about the rest of us on the street? What hope do we have? Name him and let the chips fall where they may.
There is a lot of merit to these fears. Unfortunately people with conservative principles are automatically given short shrift by the media.
Why not start fighting back? Liberals are bullies as are Muslims. The only way to deal with a bully is to kick the shit out of him one way or another.
The backlash is growing, but not fast enough. Kate and Kathy a the great Ezra Levant are leading the charge, but it will take much more.
Find out what you can do now. Look for or start organizations that will work to limiting the growth is Islam in Canada and elsewhere.
Let these Muslim shit-heads know that our culture rules here and that’s not going to change because it’s in contradiction to their religion. They can go home if they don’t want to assimilate.
“Assimilation builds a strong nation”. John West 2008
I am worried about Ezra Levant. He has made life really tough on some very filthy people to whom violence and deceit is a way of life.
I hope he has a gun and I hope he knows how to use it. It would be a shame to lose a man like that to these vermin.
Mr Awan, articling student in the Ontario Ministry of Justice. maybe the Sharia is already being prepared for ontarians.
http://deborahgyapong.blogspot.com/2008/02/jason-kenney-and-mr-awan.html
nothing will happen until they insist on building mosques in Rosedale.
Well, “my family might be targeted” might be sincere, but I suspect it might be a cover for not wanting to alienate important 3rd world voting blocks which have been shamelessly imported into Canada by the Liberals since the late 60s.
Ya, know like the cliche “I’m retiring to spend more time with my family”.
Strange this reverence for family from folks who’d like to replace family with the warm embrace of expert bureaucrats.
If you’ll excuse my cynicism.
Canada’s MP’s are committed to serving the “party” not the people. Why risk loosing a good job over an issue that really doesn’t affect them personally? What would they do for a living after that? There are not that many openings for “Greeters” at Wal-Marts any more.
“some MPs might be afraid to speak out on this issue, afraid their families might be targeted.”
Uh huh. Like MPs can’t get carry permits.
I’m with MND, spare me the histrionics.
TS Eliot had it right:
“This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang, with a whimper”
I don’t hate muslims either, but islam is a cancer eating away at our society, our principles, our prosperity and our history.
This is not racism – it is survival!
This also partially explains the time-wasting obsession with nickey nouse things like a 15 yr old $300k deal, between two sleazy characters of ill repute.
So the MPs don’t have to deal with the real issues of today.
Fear also helps explain the ‘Liberal lite’ sentencing of violent criminals by the justice system, which is seriously contaminated by the Liberal party du Canada.
Anyhoo, it’s a very interesting set of priorities by the kids in the sandbox called Ottawa.
Phantom – I think the issue isn’t as simple as either you or me no dhimmi suggest.
You think that all it takes is for the MP to ‘carry a gun’ to protect his family. Yes; but what if he’s in Ottawa and they are in Calgary?
me no dhimmi – I see your point about ‘diversion’ of reasons, but I think that violence from those sections targeted is real.
As has been pointed out, during elections, Conservative signs regularly are taken down, destroyed etc.
The Islamic world in Canada still operates. in certain sectors, in the ‘tribal’ mode, which means that anyone who isn’t onside, is Other, is an Enemy. This militancy is found in Montreal, Toronto, Calgary.
After all, Tarek Fatah, who has been outspoken in against Sharia Law, who supports Freedom of Speech, has had death threats against him and his family. Same with Irshad Manji.
Coupled with this, is our multiculturalism, which has deliberately isolated immigrants coming to Canada, and set them up as ‘safe’. Safe to BECOME militant, safe to hate others, safe to preach and talk only to and among themselves, safe to boil over in their self-written outline of ‘What is Real, safe..from the cooling effects of the speech of Others.
Back in their former countries, their self-talk might be challenged by REALITY, the reality of other people, the reality of interaction with others. Not here. We keep them safe from having to assimilate, from having to talk and justify their beliefs.
Back in their former countries, their govts might reject and censor their hate-talk. Not here.
But here in Canada, we actually enable them to Hate Others. We protect them from the criticism and questions of others. We coddle them by saying that if any speech offends or upsets them, we’ll define it as ‘hate speech’ and forbid it.
We protect them from assimilation and from collaborating with others to develop a shared Canadian identity. If they want to wear a turban on their motorcycle, while everyone else is fined for not wearing a helmet – we let them do what they want. If they want to bring a dagger to school, while anyone else would be suspended from school – we allow it. If they insist on special exams because…etc, etc…
Western countries, with their multiculturalism, have effectively set up isolate mini-states within their territories. These ministates are, since we protect them from assimilation and self-examination of themselves – are more rigid, more fanatical – than the ones in the Middle East.
These ministates, we are finding, set up their own laws; the police are afraid to go in; the social services can’t help the women enslaved by these tribal beliefs.
So- we have a lot of work to do. First, we have to insist on freedom of speech. Second, we have to constantly point out the dangers of multiculturalism. Third, we have to ourselves, do a lot of the work. It can’t be up to the Conservative govt- which is hampered in ways that we are not.
Canada is a socialist country. Over 60% of our elected parliament is socialist. Almost 80% and more of our non-elected govt is socialist – that includes our activist Supreme Court, our activist Senate, our civil service. And their Unions.
If you think that the 170 odd elected Conservatives can overturn the above morass, just by vote and desire – you are delusional. We, the people, have to take action.
When we have politicians afraid to comment on an issue because their families might be targeted we have to wonder if we aren’t already a Banana Republic. Also, ask ourselves how we’ve sat by and allowed it to happen.
We are the ones who elect the governments who allow such immigration. Those governments choose immigrants and situate them in large voting blocks of cities like vote rich Toronto and use scare tactics to insure they vote for them.
Those immigrants are now deciding the government of this country.
OK. Let me get this straight: an MP is asked for a public quote by a “reporter” who has neither a tape recorder or a notebook. The MP is smart enough not to open his mouth, for fear of being misquoted.
And now, somehow, you’ve worked yourselves into a frenzy of “politicians afraid to comment on an issue because their families might be targeted”?
Wow. I can’t for a moment imagine why the MP didn’t open his mouth: “MP Joe Blow confirms that Muslim menace is upon us! Arm or flee!!”
J Ringo’s last post should be entitled :”Why Johnny Ringo Can’t Read”.
Ringo/Dingo, this story wasn’t headlining Muslims but it’s a sure bet radicals of the religion of Islam would be a danger.
If you can’t grasp that, continue wearing those rose colored glasses, ignore the scourge of the 21st century.
ET: You shouldn’t be surprised if I tell you I agree with every single word and punctuation mark in your post. For sure, the threat is real; it’s just that I am extremely cynical about the excessive caution of MPs.
Politicans basically find out where the people are going and “lead” them there, so your “we the people must take action” rings true.
OTOH, you will have noticed that even when the leftie papers like the Toronto Star and the Globe decried the action against Levant the politicians lacked the courage to take on section 13 of the HRA which seemed a low-risk political initiative to me.
And politicians could take all kinds of generic action like elimiating the family re-unification basis for immigration, ending instant welfare for new immigrants and drastically limiting 3rd world immigration of people who not only have no intention of assimilating but who consider the notion racism, without specifically mentioning muslims. Not in my wildest fantasies can I envision official policy ending Muslim immigration — but I can envision new policies which might tackle the magnets! But I’m sure you’ll agree that they demur out of fear of losing votes, not lives or limbs. I gather that Muslim voting blocks are now real deciders in a great many constituencies. Now imagine how serious this will become if we fail to drastically lower 3rd world benefit-seeking immigraton which so out-breeds us (if you’ll excuse the crudeness of that expression).
And as to Canada being 60% socialist my milieu (Vancouver) seems pretty close to 100%. I’ve long felt, in fact, that there’s no real conservative/libertarian constituency in Canada. so I don’t know where “the people” would come from.
In the final analysis, though, I don’t see any changes as long as Canadians feel pretty comfortable economically and as long as the decline is slow and gradual, and therefore imperceptible.
ET -“Canada is a socialist country. Over 60% of our elected parliament is socialist. Almost 80% and more of our non-elected govt is socialist – that includes our activist Supreme Court, ouractivist Senate, our civil service. And their Unions.”
ET is absolutely correct!
And like John West , I agree the internet bloggers are making an effort to speak out in Canada.
Canadian schools from the elementary, through the public, secondary and university levels are fully unionized and now the LIbs like Ken Dryden and Taliban Jack Layton’s ND’s want to get the JK’s for the final push, for total indoctrination, exactly the way the Germans and the Russians did in the thirties and forties.
The aiders and abettors and pushers of politically correct left Liberals socialist mush continue to be Canadian mainstream media, which have brought and conditioned Canadians to this point of socialist delusion.
Canadian corporate MSM has morphed into a torpid cumffy state of socialist existence.
Canada needs a conservative voice in MSM to turn the tide along with the internet.
Of course people are afraid. Saying the wrong thing gets you killed, like Theo Van Gogh, or attacked like Hirsi Ali. It is dangerous to say certain things about Islam. I posted Kurt Westerlaand’s cartoon is support after the Danish police arrested his alleged murder plotters. But I honestly hesitated for fear that someone might seek to do me harm for doing it. I don’t know which is scarier.
Phantom,
I don’t know where you get your information about permits to carry. Under current legislation, not even a licence to keep a handgun at home for protection would be more available to an MP than to other Canadians.
An MP absolutely couldn’t get an “employment related” permit to carry and, even if that was possible, there’s no way that he/she would be allowed to bring a firearm into the parliament buildings. Not even uniformed police officers can do that.
When I was in Ottawa, there was a black joke among MPs that, if an armed attacker ever appeared on the premises, the safest thing to do would be to get close to the Prime Minister since his plainclothes chaps with wires sticking out of their ears were presumed to be armed and capable.
Sounds like most college campuses, dissident voices on the right can’t speak out for fear of being targeted either, add dissident scientists that have a different opinion on Global Warming.
If Ezra Levant has proved anything it is that it isn’t that hard to take these fools down, both the Muslim and lefty bullies, if you have the courage. Both entities just aren’t that smart.
I have no sympathy for any Canadian MP that cowers in the face of basic free speech issues. They were elected to uphold the basic rights of the people they represent.
The internet is a political weapon that was never there before. A half million eyeballs have viewed Ezra’s videos if I’m correct. At one point it was the fifth most viewed video on You Tube. The sniveling lefties never counted on that unpleasant developement. The press was forced to follow rather than the other way around. I bet most MP’s or their staff have viewed it. The silence and incapacitation overwhelming most MP’s is because dull witted politicians are frozen like deer in headlights when faced with risk and original thinking.
Islam – the religion of peace. No way.
Islam – religion of pieces. Bingo.
Growing up in the 50s and60s inrural ont we were all poor but it was a paridise now since trudough things ,while no one is poor and i am doing very well
things are not well the left has run us into the ground lets take it back no matter what it c osts better poor and proud
Let’s not confuse issues here. Most MPs don’t want to touch this issue because it’s toxic. The Canadian public is on the opposite side of this issue from you. Obviously, Harper knows this, and he’s issued a fatwa on speaking out on it. So, for sure, you ought to be pissed about that, if this is an issue that you care about.
But you’re seriously deluded if you think people are afraid to speak out against HRCs due to some kind of threat to themselves of their families.
Maybe in your wildest, most paranoid fantasies, Ezra and the mystery MP who’s afraid to speak out are facing a threat from all the eeeevill liberal fascists out there…but here in the real world, that’s not quite the case.
I hate to break it to you, but Jack Bauer’s not heading up here anytime soon.
back in the 60’s there was a somewhat famous mayor who packed a piece in her handbag at all times. wonder why ?
johnny ringo – would you provide some factual evidence that “The Canadian public is on the opposite side of this issue from you”.
The Canadian public, in their letters to the editor, their online polls, their blog posts as well as the articles and editorials in the MSM – show strong support for the elimination of the HRAct and particularly, Section 13.1.
So, could you provide some data? Thanks in advance.
KShaidle ,
Exactly! A rare find, yet I expect there are numbers of people who may have been threatened with a quiet, heavy breathing phone call stating. . .
* * WE know where your kids go to school. * *
There should be a number for reporting such calls so phone records can be checked by those in the know.
YES! Liberal appointees and extended family ARE still running immigration.
Page A5 of the National Post has two alarming items about the spread of **British Disease** here in Canada.
[1] Said Namouh, who makes bomb instruction videos *Caliphate Voice Channel*, a branch of al Qaeda*s * Global Islamic Media Front *, [GIMF]. This in Mt. Maurencie area, north east of Montreal Quebec.
[2] Salman Hossain, writes on a Toronto forum, Canadian soldiers training here are legitimate targets to be killed. ** Now it is possible and LEGITIMATE **, he writes in one post.
** When do I get to shoot a few Jews down . . . etc **
RCMP told Hossain he is under investigation for incitement of terrorism.
Hello RCMP? That IS incitement! What the hell are you waiting for? Back to Bangladesh where he came from!… Now! = TG
Those MPs should more afraid of irate Canadians than some Islmao-screamers.
All rational people should become absolutely informed on the Islamic ideology through the trilogy.
Factual criticism and exposure of the ideology is one of the most important and effective weapons in this war. The ‘religion’ veil must be lifted and all equivalence arguments crushed.
Islam is not morally equivalent, or comparable to any religion in the world, other than perhaps Scientology. It’s adherents must be made aware that much of the Quran, Hadith and Sira, including Mohammad’s life example are absolutely unacceptable in that it incites raciism, misogyny, hatred and violence. That Islam is in direct opposition to reason, to our culture and Universal Human Rights. And that political Islam and Shariah are seditious.
If our MP’s are afraid to speak out about it…
Then they are being intimidated.
If they are being intimidated, then someone or some group is commiting the criminal offence of Intimidating Parliament.
We may not always agree with what they do BUT IT IS OUR PARLIAMENT AND OUR SYSTEM. IT MUST BE PROTECTED FOR US TO DEAL WITH IN A CIVILIZED MANNER.
Time to slam the door closed. This IS NOT acceptable.
Lee, I have no hard information on MPs getting carry permits. If I did it would be all over the place and everybody would have it.
However, their is such a thing as a federal carry permit, and people do get them. Just a matter of knowing the right guy and having the right credentials.MPs meet both those criteria, hence my assumption. I could be wrong, but given the hanky panky of the Liberals with the RCMP the last 14 years, what are the chances? Smile, handshake, couple favors, presto!
ET, I was perhaps slightly unclear. I meant carry permit for MP -and spouse-. The RCMP has a budget for “executive protection”, and again, people do get it. If an MP, saaaaay maybe from Mississauga received a series of credible death threats following some statement they made, the cynic in me doubts their family would be left to sink or swim.
These guys all stick together, same as doctors do, same as lawyers do, same as cops, firemen and union thugs. A threat to one is a threat to all.
Call me cynical, but an MP fearing for his family if he opens his mouth? My BS meter is hitting the pin.
Now, I suppose its possible they think the RCMP protection teams are a bunch of bumbling fools, or the MP in question is a lily livered yellow bellied sap sucker, THAT I can believe…
Here we go with the female journalists and their unverifiable self serving anecdotes, *sigh*. Nice to see them on my side for once, I guess.
Nomdeblog @ 2:16 P.M. — “But you can tell, [Toronto teachers] are still very nervous about upsetting the union.”
Still nothing about unions intimidating workers from L. “Sib” beria.
Phantom,
I’m quite knowlegeable about gun laws in general, and I used to be an MP (2 terms). I assure you that the chance of an MP (much less a family member!) getting a carry permit would be about as good as that of Osama bin Laden. We received RCMP instructions on what to watch for as potential threats and how to avoid making ourselves vulnerable. It was understood that anyone receiving verifiable serious threat would be given police protection. Beyond that we, like any other Canadian, had to take our chances and assume that, if the worst happened, there would be retribution and the RCMP would eventually get the bad guys, post mortem. How comforting.
ET – look no farther than Stephen Harper’s decision to back away from the HRC issue.
Consider that in fiscal 2006/07, the Conservatives spent more money on polls than any previous Liberal government – $31 million. It’s here, in the Kate and Kathy Chronicle:
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=142342
I think it’s safe to assume that Harper, strategic genius that he is, has found poll results indicating that Canadians favour the HRCs. I mean, the PMO did issue talking points that ensured the government was in no way moving to dismantling or even tinkering with them.
I’d humbly submit that this is a little more concrete than “Some MP I spoke to said he’s in mortal danger if he speaks out on HRCs – but I can’t tell you who he is, and I didn’t write it down or record it.”
Lee, I bow to your superior knowledge. That’s more frightening than the buddy-buddy system I cynically assumed was in place.
“I think it’s safe to assume that Harper, strategic genius that he is, has found poll results indicating that Canadians favour the HRCs.”
I think it’s safe to assume that the PM is hoisting the Senate on its’ own petard for the benefit of his base – even though poll results show Canadians don’t want Senate reform.
The Mp’s are always under threat, they know that going in. Anyone in the public eye is. Par for the course, so to speak. Islam in Canada is more interested in controlling what their flock say and do, and anyone in that flock knows, that there is a good chance they can end up dead speaking up against it.
Islam is not going to go after any Canadian politician, just because it knows that will be the end of fundraising for terrorist and terrorist harbouring, something they depend on Canada for. Islam needs the sympathy and stupidity of the left to succeed, and there are lots of lefties out there. Lefties don’t care if islam kills its own, or brutalizes its females, they consider that an islamic cultural norm. Something to celebrate in their mosaic of multi-culturaism. I think even the lefties would get upset if islam starting taking out politicians here in Canada.
Right at the moment, islam knows there are more of us than them, and that we will kick thier asses, all the way back to the caves whence they came.
I respectfully disagree Honey Pot, remember the ones who wanted to behead PMSH?
They’ll go after anyone who doesn’t conform.
Lee,
They better wake up in Canada, last fall I spent some time at the Regina General Emergency Area. My NYC antenna (unusual activity) went up when I noticed that Security keep having to unlock the entrance door to their security room.
No bullets you think!
no, ringo, your argument isn’t valid.
You are trying to correlate two things – without any evidence that they are linked.
1) You state that the CPC spent a lot of money in 2006/07 on polls. You have absolutely no knowledge of the questions or content of these polls. None.
2)You state that Canadians don’t want any change to the HRC. I asked you for data to support this – because in the blogs, MSM and news, there was a LOT of anger against the HRCs. Therefore, I wanted to know where you came up with your claim.
All you’ve come up with, is a false correlation that:
– the CPC does polls
– Harper doesn’t want his MPs to talk about the issue when campaigning.
Therefore, the CPC did a poll and found Canadians didn’t want HRC change.
Utterly fallacious.
Sorry, you CANNOT offer this as any kind of proof that Canadians don’t want HRC change. The reason is because you don’t know what was polled. And no, you can’t fall back into the fallacious net of ‘it’s safe to assume’. It isn’t safe to assume. That’s called ‘An appeal to ignorance’ and it’s a fallacy.
There was a LOT of anger against the HRCs on the blogs, in emails to MPs, and expressed in the MSM, when the MSM finally got moving on it.
Oh, and jwk – polls show that Canadians DO want Senate reform. Either reform it or kill it.
Might I suggest that the anger on blogs and communicated via emails to MPs and newspapers really doesn’t amount to a whole lot. Come on, ET. Think about it. Steve “The Master Tactician” Harper wouldn’t switch from boxers to briefs without commissioning a poll. Why do you think he doesn’t want his MPs to talk about the issue when campaigning? Let’s put it this way: if a majority of Canadians felt the way you do about the HRCs, do you think the Conservatives would be backing away from it?
It ain’t a vote getter. It’s radioactive, and there’s no way he’s getting a majority by telling Canadians to gut the Human Rights Commissions. Don’t believe me? Then tell me, given this huge campaign of emails, letters, and MSM coverage you point to, where was the groundswell of public support? Don’t tell me about the campaign, such as it was – tell me about the results.
I know, I know: here in the echo chamber, it’s easy to think you’re enacting a sea change of public opinion. But there’s little reason to assume, as you do, that Canadians are looking at the HRCs the same way you do. If they did, Harper would be on it. But they aren’t, so he’s dropped it.
Might I suggest that the anger on blogs and communicated via emails to MPs and newspapers really doesn’t amount to a whole lot. Come on, ET. Think about it. Steve “The Master Tactician” Harper wouldn’t switch from boxers to briefs without commissioning a poll. Why do you think he doesn’t want his MPs to talk about the issue when campaigning? Let’s put it this way: if a majority of Canadians felt the way you do about the HRCs, do you think the Conservatives would be backing away from it?
It ain’t a vote getter. It’s radioactive, and there’s no way he’s getting a majority by telling Canadians to gut the Human Rights Commissions. Don’t believe me? Then tell me, given this huge campaign of emails, letters, and MSM coverage you point to, where was the groundswell of public support that followed it? Don’t tell me about the campaign, such as it was – tell me about the results.
I know, I know: here in the echo chamber, it’s easy to think you’re enacting a sea change of public opinion. But there’s little reason to assume, as you do, that Canadians are looking at the HRCs the same way you do. If they did, Harper would be on it. But they aren’t, so he’s dropped it.
During the October Crisis of 1970, members of the federal cabinet were issued snub nosed .38 special revolvers and shown how to use them. The one who was the best shot didn’t return his.
From 1945 to almost the end of the 20th Century Canadian freedom and democracy was defended by one million .303 Lee Enfield rifles in the hands of ordinary citizens who knew how to use them. They had defeated Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. To their credit, it didn’t go bad on their watch but on ours.
Islamofacism won’t win here today, probably not tomorrow either, but the day after tomorrow it could be a cakewalk for them. They might get slowed down by the Indian Posse and the Manitoba Warriors in Wpg. the only ones left armed. Remember Mark Steyn’s warning Euro-Arabia will be under their control by then. Once their numbers reach 5% of our total population what will a nation of unarmed senior citizens be able to do to stop them?
“Is this the nation carved out of the wildernes by independant men and women of uncommon valor?” (asked the guest philosopher a few years ago)
JR.
time will tell on the hrc. hopefully, a compromise will be reached where the hrc is defanged and declawed. a compromise whereby the supporters of thought police will not need to resort to a regime of pharmaceuticals when hrc’s just get back to landlord/tenacy spates. i’d like that very much, thank you.