The provincial gun regulator will begin inspecting the homes of older gun owners in Toronto to ensure they are storing their firearms safely, an initiative one sporting association said amounts to “harassing” seniors.
Ontario’s Chief Firearms Office says it is responding to concerns raised by Toronto police, which have in the past been called to the homes of gun owners who had either died or been hospitalized and did not have their registered firearms securely stored. In some cases, the guns were found lying around. Authorities worry they could get into the wrong hands.
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“For the drug gangs they have to get a warrant before they go into their houses, and yet the Firearms Act allows them to come into our house when we’ve never committed a crime in our life. In fact if we did, we wouldn’t have a firearms licence,” said Larry Whitmore, executive director of CSSA.
The organization has advised its members to refuse entry, and also outlined exactly what the Firearms Act allows inspectors to do.
He said members have experienced a “creative interpretation” of storage regulations, and he worries inspections will turn into a “fishing expedition to lay charges against a very vulnerable part of our population.”
We told you so.
(Ed note – This is probably covered under the same constitutional amendment that permits Saskatoon by-laws officers to enter private homes without a warrant – to search for unlicensed dogs.)
canada the joke country,cuff em then humiliate them.What a bunch of dumb dorks.
OTTAWA — Karlheinz Schreiber’s lawyer says federal politicians are trying to humiliate his client while the Harper government attempts to ship him out of the country as fast as possible.
“The notion that (Schreiber) was taken from Toronto to Ottawa in an orange jumpsuit, not only in handcuffs but in leg irons is really unpardonable,” lawyer Edward Greenspan said in an interview on CTV’s Question Period on Sunday.
“I was very distressed at watching him going into his home the other day and his pants fell down. His pants fell down because he can’t have a belt, because they think he’s going to commit suicide which is the furthest thing from the truth.”
Perhaps if we had a constitutional right to private property this latitude might be harder for the State to come by?
Wouldn’t want them killing themselves,when the police can do it!
Beat the crap out of them seniors – would ya — so I don’t have ta – ok homey !
sorry Kate ! Had to do it
Why do I get the feeling that they won’t be shoving any doors open in the Jane/Finch area of T.O. demanding the “right” to inspect ?
We live in a socialist state. Maybe the seniors should greet them with a loaded rifle and a plea of temporary insanity.
We never heard of Seniors with Guns in Canadian Cities before Stephen Harper.
And I’m 100% in favour of the gun registry. It’s the best 2 million dollars we ever spent.
I’m also entirely in favour of pet inspectors entering seniors’ homes to look for misplaced dogs.
There must be some politically inspired pressure on the OPP bureaucracy to get some convictions and boost stats on guns removed from the public. What better place to start than with non-criminals. They don’t fight back much, and you can always taze them if they argue.
I wonder if Alan Rock has ever had the courage to hang out around any shooting ranges since being responsible for one of the greatest contributions to Canadian fascism?
Pay attention seniors , they’ll be coming for your beer fridges next .
Would you please open the door sir?
Would you please open the door sir?
Would you please open the door sir?
Ok Boys, lets go in now —- lock and load –
Them seniors are nasty and most of em don’t pay taxes — on second thought —
Don’t take anyone alive !
Chances are quite good that the “drug dealer gangs’ have copmromised the gun registry files already and know exactly where the seniors live who own registered guns.
The fact is that Bill C-68 gives the state (read police)tremendous powers.
And once inside a home, can search the entire premises for ANYTHING – related or unrelated to the gun search, if they so choose.
While that may not happen at this time in our history, that is a pretty scary law as it stands.
Welcome to the people’s republic of canada. The authorities must have taken lessons from the people’s republic of china where the government has just decreed that there can be no reincarnation without government permission. This is not a joke by the way.
R. Ball just sod off.
I wonder what’s going to happen when the GUN GESTAPO go over to some hard of hearing 75 year old gun owners house and pound on the door and nobody answers?
Are they going to kick down the door and TAZER the old coot to death and at the Coronors Inquiry claim he resisted their lawful right of entry?
mr.g
I believe this is one of the arguments of the anti registry advocates when it first came in. It would be used by the government to target the gun owning public. I believe we were all called parinoid at the time. Baby steps. Baby steps. The people have short memories.
Hey Mr. G, why wait for the old bastards to die on the waiting list for a hip replacement if you can speed them along? Tazer dart is way cheaper than letting them linger in a hospital bed.
You know, many years ago I got really, REALLY tired of listening to people tell me this exact thing would never happen. No way will the cops ever use that clause they said, its just for emergencies they said.
Well here you go, Conservative voting seniors in Toronto are the dire emergency that’s got the Liberals sending the cops around for a word. I friggin’ hate being right.
Mr. Harper’s not getting dime one from me until they kill this thing dead and drive a 6×6 through its heart. Conservative opperatives take particular note.
I guess there just wasn`t enough crime in Toronto to keep all the officers busy.
If this type of crap moves west, there will be a lot of old fellas resisting. My papa decided to destroy his rifles rather than register them, but some of his buddies are pretty strong libertarian types.
What ever happened to the English Common Law concept of no unreasonable searches by agents of the King or State?
Lock and load, granny.
The next thing would be the TWO BILLION DOLLAR Registry of Knitting Needles and Pointy Sticks if only Stepanie D-Yawn were the PM.
Interestingly enough if someone were to challenge this on the basis of section 15 of the charter ( discriminating because of age) it would rip the gun grabber cops an now A-hole…no one else is being inspected Kate…and the underlying rationalle for inspecting the storage of people over 75 is they are somehow incompetent.
This CFO ( Cheif firearms officer) just had a bag of burning dog poop thrown on his porch by several of the anti gun polis on TP council and in the McSlimey government who goaded him into this…can’t wait for the first refusal…I have convinced an Uncle of mine to refuse the inspection on the grounds it discriminates on the basis of age and there is no just cause for the entry….go get a judge to sign your warrant and I’ll see you in the court of justice.
“What ever happened to the English Common Law concept of no unreasonable searches by agents of the King or State?”
Exactly the point…the gun law saya that anyone with more than 10 guns is open to periodic inspections..this is obviously arbitrary fixing of what or who is a menace to society…unsoud charter grounds here …why discriminate agaist people with 10 guns?…why in this case discriminate against seniors…the excuse the CFO gave as justification couls be easily dismissed in court by a 1st year law student.
What is really at play here is leftist ideological staism…and although they may have the deck stacked with judges and polis now, things will change…and gunowners who have been abused by this crap have long memories and deep resentment of those making it happen.
BTW: an older friend of mine from the range said to me in private that all this zealous anti-gun ownership stuff from police has driven a permanent wedge between the public and the cops…he said because of all the hassles they have given him trying to find technicalities to take his target guns away he personally wouldn’t walk across the street to piss in a cop’s ear if his brain was fire.
That’s the general fate of those who go from protectors of rights to enforcers of injustice
I voted for Stephen Harper and his bunch so as to get rid of the gun control fiasco. So far he has blown away a good chunk of my retirement nestegg by screwing us on income trusts, but still we are being subjected to police state type investigations. Would somebody please jerk his chain????
*snaps to attention and raises his right arm in salute*
“Heil McGuinty”
We all know how the last “Heil” dude ended up……
“..Ontario’s Chief Firearms Office says it is responding to concerns raised by Toronto police, which have in the past been called to the homes of gun owners who had either died or been hospitalized and did not have their registered firearms securely stored. ”
There’s no mention of numbers or percentage of unsecure arms-it could be 3 cases of 1000 or less.
If the cops can use that than they can use the same scam for anything in your home, marijuana, stolen stuff, steroids, illegal toaster..anything. I think this is McScams doing.
If you talk to the German people who survived the War 11, they would have told you that this happened to them in the middle 30rts. First the guns, then kicking in doors because of suspected guns and even shells for guns. They can say all they want, but over a time span of over 25yrs it will be predoment in canadian history. They “the police’ don’t have reason to go after thieves, drug dealers, and gangs. They take a small percentage of population that is law abiding, “how many have you seen in the above mentioned” and ram a law down their throat. So I say F*** that, when it comes to my house there is a gun at my head board and when at the front door. Just as my parents had them and there parents had them. May seem a little archaric but it worked for a hundred years, why change a good thing. Now they get slaps on the wrist for home invasions, selling drugs to schools kids, and home arrest for stealing and if they could invent some program for 2 billion to basterzise the freedom of people, then they would have top jobs in parlement because they could all get a slice. I think thats what polititions have done from Peerson up to Martin. Joe Clark was the exception for 9 months that he served as PM. “he never had enough time” untill he met Mulronney, then he learned the craft. And I will never register my gun. Merle Underwood
This reminds me of an old story told by a speaker at a Hoover Institute luncheon.
A very notorious gangster was spotted going into a large office building in a city in southern France. The Police were called and came swarming in by the car load. Their leaders directed them to rush the building and cover all the entrances and exits. But alas: they did not have enough Gendarmes to cover the entire building as it was too large. The Police leaders knew this would bring great embarrassment and they were loathe to deal with the French press.
So they rounded up their charges and sent them to surround the building across the street. You see: that building was smaller and they were able to cover it quite well.
is it even sensible to say i told you so. we are going to have to stand up to the damn government. any fool who registered a gun deserves to lose it. how the hell are you going to protect youself against the socialists when you are not armed. we have been giving government total control over our lives for years. and i am damn sure most of those who post here have accepted anything that comes down the pipe from govenment. how many have lept your guns without registering them? not many i’ll bet.
Old White Guy, as it happens there’s about 7 million gun owners in Canada, estimating using import data and sales data from the old days. The Alan Rock justice ministry “estimated” there were roughly three million.
Even using the Alan Rock numbers, there’s only 2 million registered gun owners, and not all of them have registered guns. Thus, today there are anywhere between 1 and 5 MILLION households out there with unregistered firearms. Probably more, maybe as much as 10-20% more. People did not cooperate with the gun registry. Obviously because of this warrant-free search clause. Who gives the cops an open invitation to poke through their sock drawer?
I put the blame for this outrage squarely on the police services though. At some point in the past the cops went from serving the public to serving themselves. One of the gotta-have-it precursors to a police state tyranny is a police service that follws orders. ANY orders.
See, police forces are supposed to be -civilian- organizations. They aren’t soldiers, they are not subject to military discipline. When the rank and file cops are willing to abandon common sense and common decency in the pursuit of keeping their jobs, half the battle is lost. Given a compliant police force all it takes is one demagogue to win an election and its hello Big Brother.
Canadians expect stupidity in government. What they don’t expect is to see that stupidity enforced.
“old white guy”
Lots of people didn’t register their guns, or all of them. Many also didn’t bother with a firearms license, knowing that confiscation will eventually follow.
Some of the better estimates suggest nearly 30 million guns in this country, only 7 million registered, many incorrectly. The resources don’t exist to verify them all, either.
The program is a failure in every way.
The problem is that gun owners are going to have to become far more militant; they can’t jail a couple of million Canadians, but they can terrorize a select few. Look up Bruce Montague’s website.
@Alain
Humor too subtle for you?
Mike, what would be the easiest population demographic to push around? Maybe people over 75? Push comes to shove it isn’t like they are hard to take down at that age.
I’m calling my MP and my MPP today, just to put them on notice that this sh1t isn’t selling. There are some policies one just can’t allow to pass.
“how many have lept your guns without registering them? not many i’ll bet.”
More than the Gummint will admit to…I watched them fudging the estimated number of firearms and owners, cutting the official estimated numbers lower and lower, as the deadline for registration approached and the registry numbers were way below what was expected.
An honest cop will tell you that they estimate FULL registry compliance at any where from 18%-38% ( that is if you can find an honest cop these days)…the registry stats show most people either didn’t register or didn’t register all of their guns (keeping treasured heirlooms and expensive arms out of the registry for fear of future confiscation)…there are 8 million long guns out there unaccounted for….full compliance is rare….that’s why we are seeing these devious little bureaucratic schemes to allow cops to snoop around in people’s homes…these are fishing expeditions.
The leviathan F’ed up with the registry and it knows it pissed off a lot more people than it ever imagined…and this scares it…it is also scared that the peole it repressed with this law have born a grudge so long and so intensely…Leviathan now is doing the only thing a scared. single minded leviathan can do….repress the people further…. until they cut the head off the leviathan.
Gun registry was a scam. Goverment of the day commited to the core of minority people to protect them from us bad people that had guns from [parenents, grand parents and bought ourselves. I was 16, my first job, my first cheque, “what did I do with my new found wealth”. I bought a gun “30:06”, box of bullits and a hunting knife. Since I still had money “no car then”, I walked 2 blocks down main street and walked into the local grocery store “the Tomboy” and picked up what food I needed for the next 2 weeks. “Still had money” so I stopped at the local hotel and bought a case of pilsner. Went to the old couples house that I was renting a basement suite at a cost of $35 a month. “this included a single luxtury bedroom,”basicaly you didn’t have to share it with 2 brothers and you had a black and white TV, witch your family never had. “kitchen, laundy, bathroom facilities with running water”. This was like ‘top of line” to a 16 year old whom grem up in a family of 9 boys sharing a 3 room house. But getting back to the day. Put food away, went upstairs and asked the old folks if they would like some fresh meat, “they said they would and I promply went out and got a deer”. You see I didn’t buy and meat in the store because there was a three river system beside the town where I worked, “living off the land, buying off the small farmers market and small garderners was the thing of day. And I did this while packing a gun on a sling or on my shoulder and nobody gave it a sencond thought. So where did the gun regestry work. People are still being shot at a more predomient rate, go to a house party or bar and be stabbed or beat up with axs and hammers. Guns kill people, BUT IT STILL TAKES A PERSON TO PULL THE TRIGGER. Nothing in this world will stop people from killing other people, “if they had nothing to shoot, stab or chop with” they would still use rocks. Look across the ocean and look at middle east, asian, central and south amearca and even here. People will try to hurt other people if they had a toothpick they would try to inflict damage to another person. So they can take the gun regestry and shove it up their A**, all it was “is a scam that they could steal more money from”. But thats only a grade niners opinion. Merle Underwood
Ah Kate; Thanks for letting a person vent, I notice on a lot MSM blogsite you would never see anything from what was just posted, I guess they are to prizzy to let people speak what is pissing them off. Thanks again. Merle Underwood
Here is just 2 more, just to prove my point.
toronto’s homicide toll hits 80
TheStar.com | GTA | 16-year-old gunned down in doorway of his home
16-year-old gunned down in doorway of his home
TheStar.com | GTA |
2 hurt in samurai sword rampage
Merle Underwood
Merle:
All these shootings we keep hearing about are completey fictional.
The gun registry has been in place since 1995. Therefore, gun crime after 1995 was, of course, impossible…
*snark*
In PC Kanadar if you drive a car and smoke tobacco you will BE APPREHENDED. This will extend to apartments and houses in the very near future – so – is a smoking gun equivalent to a smoking cigarette? It is all about CONTROL, folks! This is NOT the agenda of our Prime Minister, Stephen Harper; he is on the record as NOT in favor of Bans of any ilk – when asked if he would be in favor of banning smoking in public places the Prime Minister said that he was not a smoker but that he was not in favor of smoking bans, that is the CHOICE of property owners, according to PMSH. Same goes for guns and cats and dogs – we MUST bring back the RIGHT to own property into our Constitution.
BTW the great banning city of Vancouver has exempted Hookah bars from the ban on smoking in public places – why would that be? – is Eddie S. taking notes?
If you let the ‘authorities’ pass any laws of any kind limiting choice then the ‘authorities’ will push for more control. The ‘authorities’ agenda is to have people cowering in their little cubby holes – a frightened, powerless, effeminate population is a potential dictator’s dream come true.
Small government is GOOD government unless a person is a coward.
No gun has ever shot a person IT TAKE A PERSON TO DO THAT and IT WAS NOT THE GUN THAT MURDERED JOHN LENNON IS WAS HE WACK WHO PULLED THE TRIGGER and IT WAS NOT THE GUN THAT ASSINATED ROBERT KENNEDY OR JFK It was the ones who pulled the trigger